I have been thinking of getting a .22lr for my youngest to shoot at koko head for a while now and honestly, they have been bugging me about it too. We’ll be on the mainland next week for a sports trip and so I thought picking something up after they finish all their games might be a fun reward. Unfortunately , my most recent PTA probably expired in ‘21 or ‘22. Will this be a problem when I bringing it in to HPD as an out of state registration?

I have been thinking of getting a .22lr for my youngest to shoot at koko head for a while now and honestly, they have been bugging me about it too. We’ll be on the mainland next week for a sports trip and so I thought picking something up after they finish all their games might be a fun reward. Unfortunately , my most recent PTA probably expired in ‘21 or ‘22. Will this be a problem when I bringing it in to HPD as an out of state registration?

If you're buying from an FFL, they'll likely ask to see your permit when you show them your HI ID.

You haven't given yourself much time to get your permit renewed.

One workaround is to have the rifle shipped by the seller to a HI FFL.  They will hold it until your permit is ready.

Another option is finding an FFL or secondhand seller where you're going who doesn't worry about out of state purchasers.

Which state do you intend to be in when you purchase?  Might find someone here who knows a gun dealer that doesn't require you to show a permit.

As far as registration goes, if it's an out of state registration, they won't care when you bought it, so I'd keep the receipt to myself.  All they need is your ID, valid long gun permit, and the firearm for inspection.  Depending on your travel dates, you could apply for the PTA before leaving and have the permit ready as soon as you get back.

This is the answer you seek.

"In addition, a licensee may sell a rifle or shotgun to a person who is not a resident of the state where the licensee’s business premises is located in an over–the–counter transaction, provided the transaction complies with state law in the state where the licensee is located and in the state where the purchaser resides."

Another option is you could buy the long gun there, and have it shipped to an FFL in Hawaii

Why not just get the PTA and just buy the firearm here?

If you're buying from an FFL, they'll likely ask to see your permit when you show them your HI ID.

You haven't given yourself much time to get your permit renewed.

One workaround is to have the rifle shipped by the seller to a HI FFL.  They will hold it until your permit is ready.

Another option is finding an FFL or secondhand seller where you're going who doesn't worry about out of state purchasers.

Which state do you intend to be in when you purchase?  Might find someone here who knows a gun dealer that doesn't require you to show a permit.

As far as registration goes, if it's an out of state registration, they won't care when you bought it, so I'd keep the receipt to myself.  All they need is your ID, valid long gun permit, and the firearm for inspection.  Depending on your travel dates, you could apply for the PTA before leaving and have the permit ready as soon as you get back.

I’m going to Texas. If it works, great. If it doesn’t, NBD. I just remember how easy Armslist was back when I lived on the mainland. Used it to buy and sell all the time as private party. I was thinking FFL this time, but if they ask for a PTA or long gun permit I’m not going to have one.

Why not just get the PTA and just buy the firearm here?

I’m at work whenever the firearms desk is open.

I’m at work whenever the firearms desk is open.

Open till 630pm on weds in honolulu

I have been thinking of getting a .22lr for my youngest to shoot at koko head for a while now and honestly, they have been bugging me about it too. We’ll be on the mainland next week for a sports trip and so I thought picking something up after they finish all their games might be a fun reward. Unfortunately , my most recent PTA probably expired in ‘21 or ‘22. Will this be a problem when I bringing it in to HPD as an out of state registration?

Due to laws changing last year you would have a problem registering in hawaii as an out of state registration unless you have taken the steps to be compliant with the new requirements. since you would be in possession of the firearm at the window but prohibited from registering, they will probably confiscate it. im not sure on if they would offer a way to get it back after that. even if they did the process would be a pain in the butt in my opinion.

edit: actually that might be wrong, you might not need to be compliant with the new trainign requirements. in that case there would be no issue. you should ask hpd to be sure.

May a licensee sell a firearm to a nonlicensee
who is a resident of another state?

https://www.atf.gov/firearms/qa/may-licensee-sell-firearm-nonlicensee-who-resident-another-state

I’m at work whenever the firearms desk is open.

That brings to mind the question:  if you don't have time to apply for a permit, how will you be able to register?

FYI, unless they changed it, out-of-state registrations have to begin before 3:00PM, meaning you have to be at the window by 3:00, not just standing in line.  I can't find that "ruie" on HPD's site, so maybe someone who's been there recently knows if it's changed -- or you could call and confirm.

Part of the out of state reg procedure is to check databases to see if the firearm is reported stolen or sought in connection with a crime.  That takes longer, so they need to make sure they start soon enough to get it done by closing.

If making it to HPD is a challenge, maybe the optimal solution is to purchase locally:

**Firearms brought in from the mainland must be brought
in and registered in person as an “Out-of-State” registration**

The online registration request form are only for
“In-State” purchases from a local gun store/dealer/FFL.

Firearms acquired through private sales, must be brought in person to be registered.

https://www.honolulupd.org/police-services/firearms/

If you do decide to buy in TX and ship it, call HPD and verify you can't use the online form.  When you register, HPD records it as purchased/transferred from the local FFL.  Making you take the firearm in for inspections seems inconsistent.

if you're buying in TX, research what shipping and HI FFL fees will cost you.  You might not be saving any money by getting it on the mainland.

Good luck.

This sounds like way more of a headache than it’s worth. Thanks for the input guys. Sounds like I’ll just use Gunbroker to my FFL once I get back home.

Wouldn't this be no different than someone who moves to HI with a rifle?  Just buy the rifle in TX and you have X days to register it in person at HPD.  TX doesn't have a registration, so save your receipts in case HPD gets picky.  You just have to follow TX law for a rifle purchase.

Does the "out of state" no longer apply?  SB3196 changed a lot and I haven't read on out of state purchases yet.

Wouldn't this be no different than someone who moves to HI with a rifle?  Just buy the rifle in TX and you have X days to register it in person at HPD.  TX doesn't have a registration, so save your receipts in case HPD gets picky.  You just have to follow TX law for a rifle purchase.

Does the "out of state" no longer apply?  SB3196 changed a lot and I haven't read on out of state purchases yet.

Federal law prohibits the sale of most firearms (including handguns) to people
who live in a different state from where the sale is taking place. Dealers who
have a Federal Firearms License (FFL) may sell rifles or shotguns to people
who live in a different state, but only if this would comply with the laws of both
the state where the sale is taking place and the state where the person lives.
Texas law does not prohibit Texans from buying firearms in a different state.

https://guides.sll.texas.gov/gun-laws/sales-across-state-lines

If a TX FFL is following HI law, the buyer needs a Long Gun PTA.

That's MY interpretation of TX law.  If you can find a dealer in TX who only cares that the firearm you buy is legal in HI, you might be able to make the purchase over the counter without a permit.

It's a question mark. Might be worth stopping in at a TX gun store and asking what you need to show to walk out with a rifle.

If that works, then it would be the same as an out of state registration.  Still requires the buyer show up at HPD with the firearm for inspection.

When I bought my shotgun and a Henry 45-70 in Wisconsin while visiting family back in 2019, I brought it back and registered them with HPD.  I believe my PTA was still valid at that time and had no problem registering them with HPD.  With the recent changes, I'm not sure if anything changed.  When I registered the firearms it was no different than when someone who moves to Hawaii and brings their firearms from out of state.  When you purchased the firearms out of state it is already yours when you bring it back to Hawaii.  But I'm sure that my valid PTA made the registration process easier.  I'm not sure but without a PTA when you register the firearm HPD might make you fill out a PTA form at the same time just to get your information.  If you still have the expired PTA take that along and it might help to show that you are on file and make it easier (but you'll still have to fill out a new PTA).