E-biking is not a crime (Read 972 times)

ren

Deeds Not Words

oldfart

Re: E-biking is not a crime
« Reply #1 on: October 23, 2024, 07:39:17 AM »
I live near a park.
They ebike kids were tearing up the lawn and making deep ruts in the grass that WE taxpayers paid money for. So I asked them what they would like to see. They said something like a BMX track. Similar to the situation with Hawaii Raceway Park and hot rod enthusiasts.

RE. the stoopid stunts on the road with kids.
I say let them injure or kill themselves and blame the parents.
Darwinism makes the world a better place.

That may sound harsh to some people, but if parents did their job properly, the world would be a better place.
What, Me Worry?

ren

Re: E-biking is not a crime
« Reply #2 on: October 23, 2024, 07:53:11 AM »
I live near a park.
They ebike kids were tearing up the lawn and making deep ruts in the grass that WE taxpayers paid money for. So I asked them what they would like to see. They said something like a BMX track. Similar to the situation with Hawaii Raceway Park and hot rod enthusiasts.

RE. the stoopid stunts on the road with kids.
I say let them injure or kill themselves and blame the parents.
Darwinism makes the world a better place.

That may sound harsh to some people, but if parents did their job properly, the world would be a better place.

my thoughts exactly. But in Hawaii the govt are the parents and they are made up of idiots!
Deeds Not Words

QUIETShooter

Re: E-biking is not a crime
« Reply #3 on: October 23, 2024, 09:22:11 AM »
There are no consequences.  We need laws that punish juveniles.  And hold parents accountable.

They are doing stupid things on highways, on intersections, in neighborhoods.  Very dangerous.

Honestly I don't give a rat's ass about their actions.  It's the accidents they might cause with cars, or knocking people down on the sidewalks.  These things are silent.  You don't know they are there until it might be too late.

Innocent citizens might get killed or hurt because of these "silent killers".

I think of my daughters and my grandkids getting hurt or worse because they got into an accident because of these fuckin assholes.
Sometimes you gotta know when to save your bullets.

changemyoil66

Re: E-biking is not a crime
« Reply #4 on: October 23, 2024, 09:35:57 AM »
This is just bad parenting. Notice that the riders often have a similar look.  These e-bikes aren't cheap. So where does a kid get the money for one? I wouldn't buy my kid something that can go 35mph as I also wouldn't buy them a moped or like vehicle where if they crash, they get messed up.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: E-biking is not a crime
« Reply #5 on: October 23, 2024, 02:44:12 PM »
File this under the "This is why we can't have nice things" category.

Always someone willing to screw things up for the rest.

When i hear about needing more laws, i have to ask, "Why do we need more?  Just enforce what we already have!"

If kids are riding recklessly and a Cop spots them, the rider can be pulled over and issued tickets.  enough tickets, the bike gets impounded.

The people doing these things don't give a hoot about breaking a few laws.  More laws won't prevent squat.  Only better enforcement can do that.

Instead of a firearm crime hotline, how about an ebike (or traffic) crime hotline?  See an idiot riding dangerously, report them.  Include a photo and/or video of the bike and rider.  Put our tax dollars to better use.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

oldfart

Re: E-biking is not a crime
« Reply #6 on: October 23, 2024, 03:43:24 PM »
What options do cops have for dealing with a minor riding an unlicensed vehicle?
...no registered owner
...no driver's license
...no parent in the area

My solution is to require ebikes to be licensed and registered to a licensed driver. Just like cars or motorcycles. In this way, the cops can blame and penalize the owner.
(And the kid can get some dirty lickins for acting stoopid)
What, Me Worry?

Flapp_Jackson

Re: E-biking is not a crime
« Reply #7 on: October 23, 2024, 03:56:45 PM »
What options do cops have for dealing with a minor riding an unlicensed vehicle?
...no registered owner
...no driver's license
...no parent in the area

My solution is to require ebikes to be licensed and registered to a licensed driver. Just like cars or motorcycles. In this way, the cops can blame and penalize the owner.
(And the kid can get some dirty lickins for acting stoopid)

Bicycles have to be registered including eBikes if they meet the criteria.  Reasoning is to offset the cost of recovering stolen bikes and to pay for bike-related projects.  There's a fine if you're caught riding a bike without a proper license decal.  If the license decal stays on the bike, it can help identify it and return it to the owner.

The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

Flapp_Jackson

The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

oldfart

Re: E-biking is not a crime
« Reply #9 on: October 23, 2024, 06:09:14 PM »
The rider must be over 18 years old to register and ride an e-bike in Hawaii. All e-bike owners must register their e-bike with the state and pay a registration fee of $30. This can be done at any satellite city hall location or the state business registration office in Honolulu. Riders under the age of 16 must wear a helmet when operating an e-bike. This applies on all public property in Hawaii.
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None of the kids I see look to be 18 yrs old.
There seems to be a conflict in the law.
What, Me Worry?

Flapp_Jackson

Re: E-biking is not a crime
« Reply #10 on: October 23, 2024, 06:25:49 PM »
The rider must be over 18 years old to register and ride an e-bike in Hawaii. All e-bike owners must register their e-bike with the state and pay a registration fee of $30. This can be done at any satellite city hall location or the state business registration office in Honolulu. Riders under the age of 16 must wear a helmet when operating an e-bike. This applies on all public property in Hawaii.
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None of the kids I see look to be 18 yrs old.
There seems to be a conflict in the law.

You overlooked the AINOKEA exception.

 :geekdanc: :shaka:
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

oldfart

Re: E-biking is not a crime
« Reply #11 on: October 23, 2024, 09:07:26 PM »
You overlooked the AINOKEA exception.

 :geekdanc: :shaka:
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Which brings us back to Darwin.
Basically,  you can't save the world.
Nor can you fix stoopid.
What, Me Worry?