What are your thoughts on this?  Accept a "form" of AWB in return a national and "attainable" CCW permit? Before anyone gets all nuts, this is for disscusion purposes Obviously there would have to be concessions on both end but would you be willing to give up on some ground on semiauto rifles limitations for the ability to CCW (not just provisions for but permits granted to qualified citizens) in every state and in the workplace? Could this work out? I'm just looking how both sides could win. What do you guys think?

Nope. Would not support.

hell no.  especially since we can win the CCW war without compromise.  illinois's law got struck down, ours will too, some day.


national reciprocity is already in the works, we could theoretically just get an out of state permit somewhere else, and then legally be able to carry in hawaii, all while the police chief can go and deal with it.

hell no.  especially since we can win the CCW war without compromise.  illinois's law got struck down, ours will too, some day.


national reciprocity is already in the works, we could theoretically just get an out of state permit somewhere else, and then legally be able to carry in hawaii, all while the police chief can go and deal with it.

Absolutely agree

hell no.  especially since we can win the CCW war without compromise.  illinois's law got struck down, ours will too, some day.


national reciprocity is already in the works, we could theoretically just get an out of state permit somewhere else, and then legally be able to carry in hawaii, all while the police chief can go and deal with it.

That will never happen. The federal government will never tell the individual states to honor another state CCW. It's against the 10th amendment.

That will never happen. The federal government will never tell the individual states to honor another state CCW. It's against the 10th amendment.

and yet, it was being worked on by congress last year before all of this garbage.

whatever.  either way, we have a far better chance of defeating draconian CCW laws on our own than we do of getting rid of a fucktarded AWB that passes.

No comprimise should be done. It is a right.

Yeah, I can see it go just like the fiscal cliff talks; AWB now then we'll do the national CCW later...

Its an interesting suggestion but not realistic. Liberals idea of compromise is doing exactly what they want and giving up your rights and hard earned money.

Oh hell no.  Military style weapons are here for our freedom.

No comprimise should be done. It is a right.

CCW is not a right, it's a privilege. The sooner everyone accepts that fact the sooner it will become a reality.

CCW is not a right, it's a privilege. The sooner everyone accepts that fact the sooner it will become a reality.

Owning firearms IS a right.

Whether, semi auto or bolt action, lever action, single shot, rifles, shotguns, pistols, etc...

It is a constitutional right set in place to protect the people against a government that becomes oppressive, as it is becoming.

CCW is not a right, it's a privilege. The sooner everyone accepts that fact the sooner it will become a reality.

Some form of carry is a right.  If open carry is allowed, then yes, CCW could be considered an additional privilege.  However, if what you're saying is that carrying a firearm outside the home is a privilege, you couldn't be more wrong.  There is no way to divorce 'keep' and 'bear' in the context of the Second Amendment.  If the 2A protects an individual right to have firearms, then it also must protect a right to carry them.  Even Sarah Brady knows that, which is why the anti-gunners are so enamored with the idea of interpreting 2A as protecting a general right of states to maintain militias, instead of protecting individuals' rights.

Simply put - no.  We won't need to negotiate carry, we know that there is a right outside of the home, and the court cases are in line to prove so.

CCW is not a right, it's a privilege. The sooner everyone accepts that fact the sooner it will become a reality.

Factually incorrect.  The right to bear arms is the right to carry a weapon for confrontation.   The sooner we get rid of attitudes and thoughts like this, the more the reality will sink in.

Factually incorrect.  The right to bear arms is the right to carry a weapon for confrontation.

So where is the factual proof? There is none, if it was fact, all states would allow CCW without restrictions, which they don't. So as of right now, no matter which way you try to argue against it, my statement is factually correct.

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No comprimise should be done. It is a right.

I agree.  Why people would willingly give up their rights, or a portion thereof, is beyond me.

So where is the factual proof? There is none, if it was fact, all states would allow CCW without restrictions, which they don't. So as of right now, no matter which way you try to argue against it, my statement is factually correct.

Acceptance of the status quo is what you are seeing there, IMO.  Laws or even implementations of laws or policies are being followed that impose restrictions on rights to carry a firearm, concealed or otherwise.

Nope. Would not support.

Same here.  I see the need for an AR far more than CCW.

So where is the factual proof? There is none, if it was fact, all states would allow CCW without restrictions, which they don't. So as of right now, no matter which way you try to argue against it, my statement is factually correct.

This is so full of fail it's hilarious.  If legislatures passed nothing but good, constitutional laws, why would we need a judiciary to act as a balance against their power?  By your logic, the government can ship you to an internment camp any time they feel like it, because they did it before, and the state and federal governments never do anything to impinge on the rights of the citizenry. 

CCW is not a right, it's a privilege. The sooner everyone accepts that fact the sooner it will become a reality.

That is the dumbest statement I heard in a long time of course concealed carry is a right as evident by the fifth Court of Appeals overturning Illinois bad on ccw I suspect we'll see the same thing with the California
then hawaii ....Its true however the opinion that open carry or concealed carry it doesn't have to be both