So your goal this entire time has been to pull things out of your ass, then have them shot to pieces and pretend you're provoking deep thought?  I haven't so much as googled, this is all off the top of my head, but I suppose it may be informational for some of our newer members.

of course, anyone who's done the permit process knows this already.  and anyone who doesnt know didnt need this other guy ranting about how CCW is a privilege and will never happen, or will cost 1000 bucks to figure it out.

of course, anyone who's done the permit process knows this already.  and anyone who doesnt know didnt need this other guy ranting about how CCW is a privilege and will never happen, or will cost 1000 bucks to figure it out.

Concur.  I think he knows his original statement was asinine, and now he's trying to spin it as a devil's advocate thought experiment.

Concur.  I think he knows his original statement was asinine, and now he's trying to spin it as a devil's advocate thought experiment.

->Yeah, next year, we're gonna have to pay 100 bucks to take a rifle safety course every year to get long gun permits!

->that's stupid

->See, i made you do research!

of course, anyone who's done the permit process knows this already.  and anyone who doesnt know didnt need this other guy ranting about how CCW is a privilege and will never happen, or will cost 1000 bucks to figure it out.

What you don't realize is CCW is not going to be like applying for a permit to purchase. There will be other requirements added. That's where the cost will sky rocket. If you look at it from a different stand point. Owning a gun is also a privilege, go commit a crime and see if you can still own a gun. That "right" is now revoked. So is it really a "right"? Nope...

What you don't realize is CCW is not going to be like applying for a permit to purchase. There will be other requirements added. That's where the cost will sky rocket. If you look at it from a different stand point. Owning a gun is also a privilege, go commit a crime and see if you can still own a gun. That "right" is now revoked. So is it really a "right"? Nope...

got a source?  of course not.  because its you ranting.

Jesus, cmon, i'd even take some of Speedtek's tin foil hat links.

What you don't realize is CCW is not going to be like applying for a permit to purchase. There will be other requirements added. That's where the cost will sky rocket. If you look at it from a different stand point. Owning a gun is also a privilege, go commit a crime and see if you can still own a gun. That "right" is now revoked. So is it really a "right"? Nope...

Walking around a free man is a privilege, go commit a crime and see if you can still meet your friends at Starbucks.  So is it really a "right"? 
Voting is a privilege, go commit a crime and see if you can still vote.  So is it really a "right"?
Breathing is a privilege, kill someone in Texas and see if you can go on living.  So is it really a "right"?

I say no to an AWB ban in exchange for national CCW. Why must WE compromise with the intolerant, gun hating left? Why can't we have BOTH? I say push for a national CCW AND assault weapons ownership.

More guns equals less crime. Just read John Lott's study on the matter.

As for those saying we're going to be following Illinois, you do realize the 9th circuit court is the MOST liberal, right? The day they grant CCW to the western portion of the US is the day this state has two Republican Senators and Congressmen.

I say no to an AWB ban in exchange for national CCW. Why must WE compromise with the intolerant, gun hating left? Why can't we have BOTH? I say push for a national CCW AND assault weapons ownership.

More guns equals less crime. Just read John Lott's study on the matter.

As for those saying we're going to be following Illinois, you do realize the 9th circuit court is the MOST liberal, right? The day they grant CCW to the western portion of the US is the day this state has two Republican Senators and Congressmen.

If you're right, and you probably are, it will mean a circuit split, which dramatically improves the odds that SCOTUS will hear one of the carry cases currently working their way up.  With the current composition of Justices, it seems pretty likely that they'll rule that the 2A protects an individual right to carry firearms for self defense.  And then we're done.

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More guns equals less crime. Just read John Lott's study on the matter.

Off topic, but what happened to that dude's eyebrows? Looks like he has some scars up there.   

With the current composition of Justices

That's the issue, isn't it? With Obama in another 4 years, it's highly likely that one or more Justices will be stepping down from the SCOTUS. If it's Scalia or Thomas, you can bet Obummer will nominate a radical progressive like himself. And do you actually think the GOP will show some balls and fight whomever he nominates? Look how that turned out with Sotomayor and Kagan! I mean, Jesus Christ, people! Sotomayor was RECORDED saying that laws are made from the bench! She admitted that she was/is an activist judge. Did that stop morons like Lindsey Graham from giving her the okay?

That's the issue, isn't it? With Obama in another 4 years, it's highly likely that one or more Justices will be stepping down from the SCOTUS. If it's Scalia or Thomas, you can bet Obummer will nominate a radical progressive like himself. And do you actually think the GOP will show some balls and fight whomever he nominates? Look how that turned out with Sotomayor and Kagan! I mean, Jesus Christ, people! Sotomayor was RECORDED saying that laws are made from the bench! She admitted that she was/is an activist judge. Did that stop morons like Lindsey Graham from giving her the okay?

Which is why it's important that we get a case in front of them before any of the conservative justices get a chance to retire or die.  After Obama gets to nominate one of their replacements, all bets are off.