Regarding the Ukrainian War, We're better off with a President Putin RESPECTS (Read 4657 times)

Flapp_Jackson

Biden was a major factor in Putin attacking Ukraine.  The timing says it all -- right after the Afghanistan withdrawal debacle.

Donald Trump ‘acted like a man’, says Putin

The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

changemyoil66

And Hamas is calling for a cease fire 1 day into Trumps win.

Jaco808

What a joke.   Putin has no respect for Trump other than a free puppet.   

Flapp_Jackson

What a joke.   Putin has no respect for Trump other than a free puppet.

And you know this how?  Been keeping up with your Russian Pravda subscriptions?

I bet you did't bother to watch the video, huh?
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

QUIETShooter

And you know this how?  Been keeping up with your Russian Pravda subscriptions?

I bet you did't bother to watch the video, huh?

My bet also.  He didn't watch the video.

I just hope WW3 is averted now that a true leader is in charge.  Peace through strength.  Not cognitive decline.  That never works.  Nor word salad.  That's worse.  Guarantee WW3.
Sometimes you gotta know when to save your bullets.

Kuleana

The only reason for Putin to have any hope for Trump is the fact that he is not controlled by the Power Okole who is still hell bent on destroying and/or Balkanizing Russia and that Trump can assist in negotiations in ending the Ukrainian War realizing the strategic goals of Russia that have already been gained.

If Trump thinks he can end the war favorable to US imperial interests that is not going to happen since it is a fact that the US empire and its NATO vassal states have been and currently still in an unofficial war with Russia and, barring direct military involvement which will lead to WWIII, are facing impending defeat.

changemyoil66

The only reason for Putin to have any hope for Trump is the fact that he is not controlled by the Power Okole who is still hell bent on destroying and/or Balkanizing Russia and that Trump can assist in negotiations in ending the Ukrainian War realizing the strategic goals of Russia that have already been gained.


Waht was Russias strategic goals? Wasn't it to take over Ukraine, which they haven't done yet?

drck1000

I thought we were past all the word salads. . .  ::)

Kuleana

Waht was Russias strategic goals? Wasn't it to take over Ukraine, which they haven't done yet?
Whether interpreting Russia's goals from a US imperial or Russian perspective, it can fall in the following areas:

1.  Preventing further military encroachment of the US empire and its vassal European military alliance NATO to Russia's borders.
2.  De-Nazification of Ukraine's central government that has historically terrorized the ethnic Russians living in Ukraine.
3.  Acknowledgment of Crimea and now the other ethnic Russian territories under Russian control as being part of the Russian Federation.

Unlike the US empire's illegal annexation and ongoing illegal occupation of Hawaii, it was never Russia's strategic goal to conquer Ukraine and annex it to the Russian Federation.

changemyoil66

Whether interpreting Russia's goals from a US imperial or Russian perspective, it can fall in the following areas:

1.  Preventing further military encroachment of the US empire and its vassal European military alliance NATO to Russia's borders.
2.  De-Nazification of Ukraine's central government that has historically terrorized the ethnic Russians living in Ukraine.
3.  Acknowledgment of Crimea and now the other ethnic Russian territories under Russian control as being part of the Russian Federation.

Unlike the US empire's illegal annexation and ongoing illegal occupation of Hawaii, it was never Russia's strategic goal to conquer Ukraine and annex it to the Russian Federation.

Are you assuming this or did Russia state the above?  I would like to know what Russia's goals are from their statement.  Im sure Putin mentioned why he invaded Ukraine.

Flapp_Jackson

Are you assuming this or did Russia state the above?  I would like to know what Russia's goals are from their statement.  Im sure Putin mentioned why he invaded Ukraine.

NATO was founded in 1949.  The founding members were:
Belgium
Canada
Denmark
France
Iceland
Italy
Luxembourg
Netherlands
Norway
Portugal
United Kingdom
United States

The purpose as stated in the NATO charter reads:
Quote
The Parties to this Treaty reaffirm their faith in the purposes and principles of the
Charter of the United Nations and their desire to live in peace with all peoples and
all governments.

They are determined to safeguard the freedom, common heritage and civilisation
of their peoples, founded on the principles of democracy, individual liberty and the
rule of law. They seek to promote stability and well-being in the North Atlantic area.

They are resolved to unite their efforts for collective defence and for the preservation
of peace and security.
https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/official_texts_17120.htm

The Articles of the Charter spell out rules to handle international disputes peacefully rather than use of force, promote stability among themselves and other nations, eliminate conflict, maintain collectively and individually the means to resist armed attack, consult member nations when their security is threatened, and to consider an attack upon any of the members to be an attack upon all the members.

There are other articles and goals, but this pretty much covers the higher level ones.

During the Cold War, NATO expanded to include:
1952 - Greece, Turkey
1955 - West Germany
1982 - Spain

After the Cold War, NATO added:
1990 - Germany (Germany was reunified in 1990;  East Germany was added to West Germany, and the 2 became "Germany")
1999 - Czech Republic, Hungary, Poland
2004 - Bulgaria, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Romania, Slovakia, Slovenia
2009 - Albania, Croatia
2017 - Montenegro
2020 - North Macedonia
2023 - Finland
2024 - Sweden

Russia's #1 issue even before invading Ukraine was NATO expansion into even more countries.  Russia demanded that NATO "lines" return to 1997 definitions, which as you can see would eliminate 13 members if that demand was granted.

Ukraine began requesting admittance into the UN about the time that Biden became Resident.  If you recall, he and his son, Hunter, were very cozy with Ukraine -- to the point that Trump was impeached the second he tried to dig into just how cozy they really were.

If Ukraine saw Biden as their best chance of becoming a NATO partner, Putin probably did so as well.  Instead of demanding NATO contract to 1997 composition, he was now faced with preventing even further expansion.

You really have to ask the obvious question:  Since when do sovereign nations allow adversaries to dictate to them how they will handle their international relationships and alliances?  Russia is feeling outnumbered, and Putin doesn't want that to become even worse for Russia.  How is it acceptable for Putin to dictate to any nation, including Ukraine, whether or not they can join NATO?

Best thing Trump can do is facilitate NATO's admission of Ukraine as a member, then tell Putin he has 3 weeks to withdraw his troops from the country before the entire NATO alliance comes to Ukraine's defense.

Will that start WWIII?  Not if Putin has any commons sense.  Look at the list of NATO members again, and see what Putin sees.  Our biggest hurdle is if China decides to get involved on Russia's behalf.  I don't see them doing that.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

macsak

don't question the forum SME...

Are you assuming this or did Russia state the above?  I would like to know what Russia's goals are from their statement.  Im sure Putin mentioned why he invaded Ukraine.

ren

Deeds Not Words

Jaco808

Whether interpreting Russia's goals from a US imperial or Russian perspective, it can fall in the following areas:

1.  Preventing further military encroachment of the US empire and its vassal European military alliance NATO to Russia's borders.
2.  De-Nazification of Ukraine's central government that has historically terrorized the ethnic Russians living in Ukraine.
3.  Acknowledgment of Crimea and now the other ethnic Russian territories under Russian control as being part of the Russian Federation.

Unlike the US empire's illegal annexation and ongoing illegal occupation of Hawaii, it was never Russia's strategic goal to conquer Ukraine and annex it to the Russian Federation.

Crazy fake news.   What's next China wants to attack Taiwan cause nazis and fear of them joining the pacific NATO? 

rpoL98

Flapp_Jackson

Crazy fake news.   What's next China wants to attack Taiwan cause nazis and fear of them joining the pacific NATO?

Pacific NATO?

Still drunk from Tuesday night, huh?
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

rpoL98

this is Professor Jeffery Sachs, going into how this Ukraine mess all started, going back to Reagan and Gorbachev times.  IMHO, it's a really good recounting of the history of how we got to where we are now.  One of the Cambridge University debate series.    :shaka:

https://x.com/markhamowl/status/1852636677841342578

QUIETShooter

Pacific NATO?

Still drunk from Tuesday night, huh?

2 cases of BUD LIGHT?
Sometimes you gotta know when to save your bullets.

ren

Pacific NATO?

Still drunk from Tuesday night, huh?

Deeds Not Words

Kuleana

Are you assuming this or did Russia state the above?  I would like to know what Russia's goals are from their statement.  Im sure Putin mentioned why he invaded Ukraine.
What I stated above is a brief summary of Russia's strategic goals regarding the Ukraine War as stated in Putin's many speeches during the last two years.

You can easily go to YouTube and hear it from his own words for yourself.