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hvybarrels

End Mail-In Voting
« on: November 10, 2024, 12:45:08 AM »
There's a growing call from Hawaii citizens for the return to the pre-pandemic voting. Scott Nago has done everything to dissuade people from turning up in person, and even though his career has been a chain of disappointments and failures he's somehow managed to hang onto his office since 2010.

Seth Keshel was able to demonstrate how the Hawaii mail in voter fraud system works in this video from 2023. His model predicted a 5% difference for the 2020 election, but somehow 40-60k unexplained votes ended up in a system with a shrinking population.

https://rumble.com/v2che0m-seth-keshel-in-lihue-kauai-march-9-2023.html

Hopefully Captain K comes back to update us soon, and my guess is what he would say is that Trump either came very close if not outright won the state last week.

The fact that the even more-unpopular Harris managed to hold the percentage despite massively losing in the rest of the country indicates that our office of elections is most likely running a psychological warfare op on us so that we feel like there's no chance that we could change things in this state, hence the absurdly long lines, closing polling stations on election day, and labeling people who want to vote in person as right wing conspiracy freaks. That way real voters stay home and the RNC writes us off, allowing the sham elections to continue. My suggestion it to keep making noise about voting in person and reminding everyone of the lousy job Scott Nago has done so that they are forced to finally replace him. The fraud is only possible with mass mail in voting. If we open up the walk-ins again, re-hire the hundreds of poll workers who can keep an eye on the process, and demand results on the night of the election it would make this operation impossible. 

People fighting for 2A know what is possible if when our small minority pushes back against the state. Imagine what we could be accomplished if we harnessed the energy of the nearly ten thousand people who stood out in the rain (some well into the night) because they were worried about their votes being stolen.
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Flapp_Jackson

Re: End Mail-In Voting
« Reply #1 on: November 10, 2024, 12:56:24 AM »
Ballot harvesting would not be possible if routine mail-in ballots were stopped.  I think that's enough justification to make absentee mail-in ballots the only alternative to in-person voting.  Only if you're out of the state before elections begin should you be send a mail-in ballot.

If someone can't fill out a ballot properly and return it on time, they probably are not capable of making a wise decision as to who ought to be running the government at any level. 

If they can't vote without someone else accomplishing the mechanics for them, I'd prefer we not count their vote.  If someone is physically impared to the point they can't get to a polling place, then there can be exceptions for that.

This should include retirement homes and long term care facilities. Many people have reported residents of these facilities signing ballots that friends, family and harvesters completed for them.  Again, they ought to be able to properly vote on their own if we are going to let them cancel out a well-considered ballot for the other candidate/s.  just like i mentioned, exceptions can be made for the physically impaired who can't go tp the polls, but they need to be otherwise competent to cst their ballot.
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eyeeatingfish

Re: End Mail-In Voting
« Reply #2 on: November 10, 2024, 01:05:52 AM »
Aside for requested mail in ballots for military, people living out of state, etc. I full heatedly agree. I was hoping to go to a polling place like normal only to find out they had only 2-3 open. Luckily I went on the 4th for early voting instead of the 5th. I heard some people waited 5 hours. Mail in voting just creates so many problems, weaknesses that could be exploited, etc.
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oldfart

Re: End Mail-In Voting
« Reply #3 on: November 10, 2024, 03:38:32 AM »
yep
some things are best done the old-fashioned way.

Obviously, many, many other people agree.
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Jl808

End Mail-In Voting
« Reply #4 on: November 10, 2024, 08:22:11 AM »
We need to ensure the integrity of our elections and there are just too many possibility for shinenigans with the mail in ballots. 

81M votes, my butt.

Public Schools were closed during Election Day (Tuesday) even though they were not being used for voting.  How about re-opening the schools for voting again?
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QUIETShooter

Re: End Mail-In Voting
« Reply #5 on: November 10, 2024, 09:22:00 AM »
The pandemic was a scamdemic.

Look how f*cked up things are now.

A nefarious social experiment that went successful but try it again?  I don't think so.

The 2024 election in my opinion was the same way:  Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me.  People were watching.  People were too trusting in 2020.

2024 shows a certain political party cannot win without cheating.

Now we need to demolish this mail-in ballot bullsh*t. 

Patriots willing to stand out in the rain for 5 hours show that they are willing to show the big FAH-Q to the leaders of this banana republik.

Their constituents have spoken.  Unfortunately we have asshats for leaders.
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rpoL98

Re: End Mail-In Voting
« Reply #6 on: November 10, 2024, 11:30:16 AM »
https://www.civilbeat.org/2024/11/years-of-shortchanging-elections-led-to-honolulus-long-voter-lines/

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This year, Takahashi said, the city knew to expect long lines. The question was how long those long lines would be, and when they would surge.


so they knew the lines would be long and accepted that as okay.  Their arrogance.  Same philosophy that says sitting in traffic jams is part of the Hawaii lifestyle, not to mention the wasted fuel costs (hidden tax).  They impose these burdens with impunity, no accountability, and Hawaii's voters keep voting them back in.  Complacency.

nothing will change.
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Flapp_Jackson

Re: End Mail-In Voting
« Reply #7 on: November 10, 2024, 11:37:06 AM »
Quote from: rpoL98 on November 10, 2024, 11:30:16 AM
https://www.civilbeat.org/2024/11/years-of-shortchanging-elections-led-to-honolulus-long-voter-lines/
 

so they knew the lines would be long and accepted that as okay.  Their arrogance.  Same philosophy that says sitting in traffic jams is part of the Hawaii lifestyle, not to mention the wasted fuel costs (hidden tax).  They impose these burdens with impunity, no accountability, and Hawaii's voters keep voting them back in.  Complacency.

nothing will change.

Of course they knew.  That's why they were running ads urging voters to go vote early to avoid looooooooooooooooooooooooong lines.

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Jl808

Re: End Mail-In Voting
« Reply #8 on: November 10, 2024, 11:40:24 AM »
Slightly off topic but related to lockdowns.

Brandon Biggs, the Christian Youtuber who had a vision back in March of Trump getting shot at the ear, warns of getting a vision of a bigger pandemic coming up in the near future.  Something to keep an eye on.

Brandon Biggs
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rpoL98

Re: End Mail-In Voting
« Reply #9 on: November 10, 2024, 12:06:45 PM »
Quote from: Flapp_Jackson on November 10, 2024, 11:37:06 AM
Of course they knew.  That's why they were running ads urging voters to go vote early to avoid looooooooooooooooooooooooong lines.
so they chose to put their money, actually, our money, into an ad campaign, instead of facilities.  right.


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Flapp_Jackson

Re: End Mail-In Voting
« Reply #10 on: November 10, 2024, 12:14:18 PM »
Quote from: rpoL98 on November 10, 2024, 12:06:45 PM
so they chose to put their money, actually, our money, into an ad campaign, instead of facilities.  right.

That's why i titled my thread:

How your state taxes are being used. Who is this ad supposed to be for?
https://2ahawaii.com/index.php?topic=55139.msg490939#msg490939
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changemyoil66

Re: End Mail-In Voting
« Reply #11 on: November 10, 2024, 02:05:48 PM »
Notice how many statea that voted for harris requires no ID.

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rpoL98

Re: End Mail-In Voting
« Reply #12 on: November 10, 2024, 04:41:45 PM »
Quote from: changemyoil66 on November 10, 2024, 02:05:48 PM
Notice how many statea that voted for harris requires no ID.

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« Last Edit: November 10, 2024, 04:50:59 PM by rpoL98 »
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Flapp_Jackson

Re: End Mail-In Voting
« Reply #13 on: November 10, 2024, 05:43:52 PM »
Quote from: rpoL98 on November 10, 2024, 04:41:45 PM




Careful how you interpret that information.

Harris won a total of 20 states if you include Washington, DC.
Harris won 14 states that require no form of ID at all to vote including Washington, DC.
She won in 3 states that require some form of ID to vote, but the ID doesn't have to have a photo.
She won in 3 states that require Photo ID to vote.

Of the 15 US states that require no voter ID at all, she only lost 1:  Pennsylvania.

FYI.

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Jaco808

Re: End Mail-In Voting
« Reply #14 on: November 11, 2024, 04:34:20 PM »
No.  Make voting easier.  It should not take 3 hours and standing in line to exercise your right.    Just like how the State tries to make it difficult to own guns don't encourage them to make it difficult to vote. 
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ren

Re: End Mail-In Voting
« Reply #15 on: November 11, 2024, 04:55:19 PM »
Quote from: Jaco808 on November 11, 2024, 04:34:20 PM
No.  Make voting easier.  It should not take 3 hours and standing in line to exercise your right.    Just like how the State tries to make it difficult to own guns don't encourage them to make it difficult to vote.

No. Make voting credible. The reason why the State dragged their arses was to make it harder for people to legitimately vote.
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Flapp_Jackson

Re: End Mail-In Voting
« Reply #16 on: November 11, 2024, 06:22:23 PM »
Quote from: Jaco808 on November 11, 2024, 04:34:20 PM
No.  Make voting easier.  It should not take 3 hours and standing in line to exercise your right.    Just like how the State tries to make it difficult to own guns don't encourage them to make it difficult to vote.

Be specific.  Easier HOW?
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QUIETShooter

Re: End Mail-In Voting
« Reply #17 on: November 11, 2024, 06:52:43 PM »
Quote from: Jaco808 on November 11, 2024, 04:34:20 PM
No.  Make voting easier.  It should not take 3 hours and standing in line to exercise your right.    Just like how the State tries to make it difficult to own guns don't encourage them to make it difficult to vote.

It was easy.  Once upon a time.  There were precincts everywhere.  All you needed was your ID and be registered to vote AS A CITIZEN. :wave:

You were allowed to leave work earlier and as long as you have a receipt from voting you are good to go.

The long hours of patriots standing in line is because OUR GOVERNMENT WANTS TO FORCE US TO DO MAIL IN BALLOTS.  They eliminated the precincts to a measly 2(?) on Oahu.

In the past it was easy to vote.  The government just made it easier......(to cheat?)  Maybe you would like to elaborate just WHY the government wants to make it easier.

And for whom?  Hint:  Why the government has NO CONCERN for voter ID and citizen documentation on the most sacred and important duty a citizen of the United States will do?

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changemyoil66

Re: End Mail-In Voting
« Reply #18 on: November 11, 2024, 07:34:59 PM »
Quote from: QUIETShooter on November 11, 2024, 06:52:43 PM
It was easy.  Once upon a time.  There were precincts everywhere.  All you needed was your ID and be registered to vote AS A CITIZEN. :wave:

You were allowed to leave work earlier and as long as you have a receipt from voting you are good to go.

The long hours of patriots standing in line is because OUR GOVERNMENT WANTS TO FORCE US TO DO MAIL IN BALLOTS.  They eliminated the precincts to a measly 2(?) on Oahu.

In the past it was easy to vote.  The government just made it easier......(to cheat?)  Maybe you would like to elaborate just WHY the government wants to make it easier.

And for whom?  Hint:  Why the government has NO CONCERN for voter ID and citizen documentation on the most sacred and important duty a citizen of the United States will do?
Almost every school cafeteria was a voting center. U had to go to the one nearest to ur home. Very simple and more efficient than it is today

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Flapp_Jackson

Re: End Mail-In Voting
« Reply #19 on: November 11, 2024, 08:15:27 PM »
Quote from: changemyoil66 on November 11, 2024, 07:34:59 PM
Almost every school cafeteria was a voting center. U had to go to the one nearest to ur home. Very simple and more efficient than it is today

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Election Day is here, and while voters head to the polls, their children may
be enjoying their day off as many schools nationwide plan on closing Tuesday.

Several school districts will not hold classes due to safety concerns or because
they recognize Election Day as a public holiday. Fourteen states have deemed
Election Day a public holiday, according to the Monument Advancement Movement.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2024/11/04/do-schools-close-for-election-day-2024/76052036007/

Most of the schools i've seen in HI have a combination cafeteria and auditorium.  I don't know how many have gymnasiums, but the floors have to be taken into consideration if voters wear street shoes/slippers on them.

Closing the schools and using the cafeteria seems to make the most sense.  Parents who normally pick their kids up after school can show up to vote instead.

I don't think i ever waited more than 20 minutes in line to vote in Mililani.  With enough polling places, the crowds can be kept to a minimum.
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