This is ontop of the already 1.6 billion rounds of ammo.  That's alot of bullets the federal government seems to have acquired over a short period of time... Seems like yet another double standard to me.

http://www.infowars.com/dhs-buys-200000-more-rounds-of-ammunition/

I'm still SMH about this whole thing with DHS and all the ammo they are stocking up. It's not just the amount, but also the type of rounds being ordered.

According to the Geneva Convention hollow point bullets are not allowed for use in war. You can do a search for yourself on that topic. The thing that I don't understand is how police departments carry them in their guns. But militaries can't use them in war?

Now that DHS has been ordering ALL this ammo, ones got to ask themselves what for. Hollow points are not used for target training as far as I know. This whole notion makes my mind wonder of some terrible possibilities.

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This was a thread I had started awhile back on the same topic.

http://2ahawaii.com/index.php?topic=4335.msg41890#msg41890

They're just gearing up like FEMA and Social Security for when they run out of money and the entitlements stop

Getting ready for civil war?

Getting ready for civil war?

I certainly hope it does not come down to cw. Is this where a militia would come together?

http://2ahawaii.com/index.php?topic=27.msg52559#msg52559

I'm still SMH about this whole thing with DHS and all the ammo they are stocking up. It's not just the amount, but also the type of rounds being ordered.

According to the Geneva Convention hollow point bullets are not allowed for use in war. You can do a search for yourself on that topic. The thing that I don't understand is how police departments carry them in their guns. But militaries can't use them in war?

Now that DHS has been ordering ALL this ammo, ones got to ask themselves what for. Hollow points are not used for target training as far as I know. This whole notion makes my mind wonder of some terrible possibilities.

Happy Aloha Friday

Depends in design of HPs. All of the ammo I shoot in matches are HPs. M118lr and Mk 262 are used in theatres. They are not designed to expand but for accuracy in the jacket design.
The Geneva conventions doesnt apply to domestic issues.

I can't remember where I read this but even the conservative movement is not concerned over this ammo buy. When they figured out how much ammo per person it came to it appears to be a normal amount for practice and carry. Plus they stated that it was not uncommon for this agency to buy extra ammo and transfer it to another agency for whatever reason. Bottom line is that this purchase is not out of the ordinary and is occurring at a time that their last contract is expiring. So apparently it is not a big deal.

You can believe what you like but I believe it is not for use like shooting unarmed citizens.

I can't remember where I read this but even the conservative movement is not concerned over this ammo buy. When they figured out how much ammo per person it came to it appears to be a normal amount for practice and carry. Plus they stated that it was not uncommon for this agency to buy extra ammo and transfer it to another agency for whatever reason. Bottom line is that this purchase is not out of the ordinary and is occurring at a time that their last contract is expiring. So apparently it is not a big deal.

You can believe what you like but I believe it is not for use like shooting unarmed citizens.

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they're just like any other governmental LE/military force.  they need ammo, because they employ weapons, and they train with weapons.

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they're just like any other governmental LE/military force.  they need ammo, because they employ weapons, and they train with weapons.

Agreed. I think this just un-nerves some people because it is for Homeland Defense.

Depends in design of HPs. All of the ammo I shoot in matches are HPs. M118lr and Mk 262 are used in theatres. They are not designed to expand but for accuracy in the jacket design.
The Geneva conventions doesnt apply to domestic issues.

I believe your right when referring to .223 and .308, but pistol HP from what I understand all have a similar design.  Is using HP pistol ammo for training the norm for DHS or is this just something new?  If Military is using HP rounds for general training that's news to me (with the exception of special forces and snipers).  I sure don't get HP ammo issued to train/qual with.  I guess I'm just curious...

Depends in design of HPs. All of the ammo I shoot in matches are HPs. M118lr and Mk 262 are used in theatres. They are not designed to expand but for accuracy in the jacket design.
The Geneva conventions doesnt apply to domestic issues.

I didn't know this! Definately learned something today. I think shooting hp would be to expensive for me. Mahalo ren.

I think this just un-nerves some people because it is for Homeland Defense.

It is a little un-nerving for me.

It is a little un-nerving for me.

i'd be more unnerved if DHS didnt have any ammo.

if there were to be another terrorist threat, that would make them pretty useless.

I believe your right when referring to .223 and .308, but pistol HP from what I understand all have a similar design.  Is using HP pistol ammo for training the norm for DHS or is this just something new?  If Military is using HP rounds for general training that's news to me (with the exception of special forces and snipers).  I sure don't get HP ammo issued to train/qual with.  I guess I'm just curious...

From my limited experience HPs aren't used in general training for conventional forces but the shooting teams use them regularly. It also depends on how knowledgeable the supply managers are in getting them. Many don't know small arms ammunition i.e. M118 & M118LR. Or even why some ammo is called "ball"

actually, it has to do with the hague convention from the late 1800s
the regular military uses fmj pistol ammo, and was using ball 5.56 too
the mk262 is used because the boat tail part is stabilizing , and thus the military justify its use because it is more accurate (and therefore humane) and not because of the HP part

I believe your right when referring to .223 and .308, but pistol HP from what I understand all have a similar design.  Is using HP pistol ammo for training the norm for DHS or is this just something new?  If Military is using HP rounds for general training that's news to me (with the exception of special forces and snipers).  I sure don't get HP ammo issued to train/qual with.  I guess I'm just curious...

The boat tail actually increases the BC; the HP is formed when the jacket is pulled from the base to the tip. Better concentricity is maintained that way. M193 and M855 have boat tails as well but is not as accurate as the 77 SMKs Mk262 uses

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