Was It Ever Great? - What’s the Alternative? (Read 4292 times)

macsak

Was It Ever Great? - What’s the Alternative?
« on: January 12, 2025, 10:29:05 AM »

ren

Re: Was It Ever Great? - What’s the Alternative?
« Reply #1 on: January 12, 2025, 02:12:52 PM »
so much misinformation in that video. Glocks rule and are climate friendly. Reusable. Washable.
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Flapp_Jackson

Re: Was It Ever Great? - What’s the Alternative?
« Reply #2 on: January 12, 2025, 02:39:55 PM »
so much misinformation in that video. Glocks rule and are climate friendly. Reusable. Washable.
Relatively lightweight, affordable, customizable, great availability of OEM and aftermarket parts, plenty of calibers to choose, and limited lifetime warranty.

All the things that entice new gun owners before they realize Glock is not the only, and often not the best, game in town.

And don't forget, they are quicker and easier to melt down once semi-auto handguns are banned.   :geekdanc: :wave:
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

stangzilla

Re: Was It Ever Great? - What’s the Alternative?
« Reply #3 on: January 15, 2025, 12:36:48 PM »
IMO, Hk and Sig are better
I have a G19 gen5 and a 47. They shoot great, but I replaced the trigger, sights, tungsten guide rod, and holosun optic. Out of the box it's nothing special
My Sig P226 Legion SAO is probably my best semiauto. Trigger is like a 1911. Grip is super ergonomic. Came with suppressor height night sights and optic, flat face trigger. It costs a lot more than a Glock but it's worth it
I have a few HK's and better than a Glock. A glock will get the job done but there are better options

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Was It Ever Great? - What’s the Alternative?
« Reply #4 on: January 15, 2025, 01:02:47 PM »
IMO, Hk and Sig are better
I have a G19 gen5 and a 47. They shoot great, but I replaced the trigger, sights, tungsten guide rod, and holosun optic. Out of the box it's nothing special
My Sig P226 Legion SAO is probably my best semiauto. Trigger is like a 1911. Grip is super ergonomic. Came with suppressor height night sights and optic, flat face trigger. It costs a lot more than a Glock but it's worth it
I have a few HK's and better than a Glock. A glock will get the job done but there are better options
i'm also a Sig fan.  My P226 MK25 (Navy SEAL) 9mm is by far my favorite to shoot.  It's DA/SA, which i like.

i find the marketing hype to accurate IMO.  Easy to shoot, well balanced, very ergonomic for my hand, and a longer barrel than other Sig offerings (4.4").

Other than the makings and nomenclature, the only real difference in the MK25 and a regular P226 other than the rail (depending on model) is the internal metal parts are also coated like the slide to prevent rust.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

drck1000

Re: Was It Ever Great? - What’s the Alternative?
« Reply #5 on: January 15, 2025, 03:12:32 PM »
Sig P200 series are built like tanks, and understandable for their typical/intended use.  I always wanted a nice P226 or P229.  I was looking at a P226 Legion/X/whatever variation they have nowadays lately. 

P320s on the otherhand. . .  :shake: (and I own a P320  ;D)

drck1000

Re: Was It Ever Great? - What’s the Alternative?
« Reply #6 on: January 15, 2025, 03:13:01 PM »
SNIP
You should buy one and try. . .

zippz

Re: Was It Ever Great? - What’s the Alternative?
« Reply #7 on: January 15, 2025, 08:22:53 PM »
Glocks have a purpose and they were revolutionary when it came out in the 80's.  Their purpose was for law enforcement and military that want a very durable, light, and high capacity gun that had built in safeties (to include longer trigger travel and reset) to remove the need for safety levers.  It was a big improvement in those aspects compared to other pistols offered at the time.  It wasn't made to be a precision competition gun.   It was also cheap to buy, and very cheap and quick to make resulting in good profits for Glock.

Nowadays the competition caught up and there's equivalent or better alternatives.  Glock still has the edge on durability, and profit margin.

ren

Re: Was It Ever Great? - What’s the Alternative?
« Reply #8 on: January 15, 2025, 08:48:22 PM »
Glocks have a purpose and they were revolutionary when it came out in the 80's.  Their purpose was for law enforcement and military that want a very durable, light, and high capacity gun that had built in safeties (to include longer trigger travel and reset) to remove the need for safety levers.  It was a big improvement in those aspects compared to other pistols offered at the time.  It wasn't made to be a precision competition gun.   It was also cheap to buy, and very cheap and quick to make resulting in good profits for Glock.

Nowadays the competition caught up and there's equivalent or better alternatives.  Glock still has the edge on durability, and profit margin.

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drck1000

Re: Was It Ever Great? - What’s the Alternative?
« Reply #9 on: January 16, 2025, 10:50:46 AM »
Only got through the first 8 mins or so.  He makes some good points and good observations, but this guy is worse than Justin Opinion.  So much fluff, whatever.  Blah blah blah after a certain point.

He does make good points.  However, context specific.  What is intended use, what is the owner valuing, etc?  Ya, Glock not going to regularly win CMP/bullseye type matches against nice 1911s.  Is that what you value?  I don't. There's a balance between uber accuracy and reliability.  There are others balance/difference issues, but that's just one and one that is regularly on display in shooting classes, competitions, etc. 

The part about customization.  I personally change the trigger, sights, and stipple almost all of my Glocks.  Internals for competition guns get tweaked, but others remain closer to stock.  Most often than not, the "upgrades" are what cause issues with Glocks.  I've personally experienced this and learned the hard way at times.  But it's not like other pistols aren't usually modified, especially with shooters with specific needs or shoot often. Aside from those that just like to tinker, 1911s, CZs, even Sig P320, you'll rarely see them closer to stock.  At least with folks that shoot/train often/seriously and/or compete. 

Will go back to watch more of the video.  However, I agree that Glock isn't "perfection", but up to the individual to decide for themselves.  Like cars, many just like or hate on a brand just because and that's fine.  That we have tons of options is great! 

But always will be better than a HK P30. . . at least for those that actually own one. . .  ;)  :rofl:

macsak

Re: Was It Ever Great? - What’s the Alternative?
« Reply #10 on: January 16, 2025, 11:01:43 AM »
heads

Only got through the first 8 mins or so.  He makes some good points and good observations, but this guy is worse than Justin Opinion.  So much fluff, whatever.  Blah blah blah after a certain point.

He does make good points.  However, context specific.  What is intended use, what is the owner valuing, etc?  Ya, Glock not going to regularly win CMP/bullseye type matches against nice 1911s.  Is that what you value?  I don't. There's a balance between uber accuracy and reliability.  There are others balance/difference issues, but that's just one and one that is regularly on display in shooting classes, competitions, etc. 

The part about customization.  I personally change the trigger, sights, and stipple almost all of my Glocks.  Internals for competition guns get tweaked, but others remain closer to stock.  Most often than not, the "upgrades" are what cause issues with Glocks.  I've personally experienced this and learned the hard way at times.  But it's not like other pistols aren't usually modified, especially with shooters with specific needs or shoot often. Aside from those that just like to tinker, 1911s, CZs, even Sig P320, you'll rarely see them closer to stock.  At least with folks that shoot/train often/seriously and/or compete. 

Will go back to watch more of the video.  However, I agree that Glock isn't "perfection", but up to the individual to decide for themselves.  Like cars, many just like or hate on a brand just because and that's fine.  That we have tons of options is great! 

But always will be better than a HK P30. . . at least for those that actually own one. . .  ;)  :rofl:

macsak

Re: Was It Ever Great? - What’s the Alternative?
« Reply #11 on: January 16, 2025, 11:02:25 AM »
guud enuff...

Only got through the first 8 mins or so.  He makes some good points and good observations, but this guy is worse than Justin Opinion.  So much fluff, whatever.  Blah blah blah after a certain point.

He does make good points.  However, context specific.  What is intended use, what is the owner valuing, etc?  Ya, Glock not going to regularly win CMP/bullseye type matches against nice 1911s.  Is that what you value?  I don't. There's a balance between uber accuracy and reliability.  There are others balance/difference issues, but that's just one and one that is regularly on display in shooting classes, competitions, etc. 

The part about customization.  I personally change the trigger, sights, and stipple almost all of my Glocks.  Internals for competition guns get tweaked, but others remain closer to stock.  Most often than not, the "upgrades" are what cause issues with Glocks.  I've personally experienced this and learned the hard way at times.  But it's not like other pistols aren't usually modified, especially with shooters with specific needs or shoot often. Aside from those that just like to tinker, 1911s, CZs, even Sig P320, you'll rarely see them closer to stock.  At least with folks that shoot/train often/seriously and/or compete. 

Will go back to watch more of the video.  However, I agree that Glock isn't "perfection", but up to the individual to decide for themselves.  Like cars, many just like or hate on a brand just because and that's fine.  That we have tons of options is great! 

But always will be better than a HK P30. . . at least for those that actually own one. . .  ;)  :rofl:

drck1000

Re: Was It Ever Great? - What’s the Alternative?
« Reply #12 on: January 16, 2025, 11:09:01 AM »
heads

Someone's ear was burning. . .

guud enuff...

even with poof poof ammo

macsak

Re: Was It Ever Great? - What’s the Alternative?
« Reply #13 on: January 16, 2025, 11:15:21 AM »
poof

Someone's ear was burning. . .
even with poof poof ammo

macsak

Re: Was It Ever Great? - What’s the Alternative?
« Reply #14 on: January 16, 2025, 11:16:01 AM »
don't forget that glocks are plastic, so they cannot be found by metal detectors...

drck1000

Re: Was It Ever Great? - What’s the Alternative?
« Reply #15 on: January 16, 2025, 12:07:32 PM »
don't forget that glocks are plastic, so they cannot be found by metal detectors...
Mainly the Glock 7. . .

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changemyoil66

Re: Was It Ever Great? - What’s the Alternative?
« Reply #16 on: January 16, 2025, 01:30:08 PM »


But always will be better than a HK P30. . . at least for those that actually own one. . .  ;)  :rofl:

Same guys also don't own a gen 1 Glock.

changemyoil66

Re: Was It Ever Great? - What’s the Alternative?
« Reply #17 on: January 16, 2025, 01:32:40 PM »
With compared to other striker fire pistols, it's the indian, not the arrow. But what makes G better than others is it's customizable options.  From triggers, slides, springs, holsters, etc...

Then G's look tacticool enough. Compared to say the ugly Shield Plus.

ren

Re: Was It Ever Great? - What’s the Alternative?
« Reply #18 on: January 16, 2025, 02:10:38 PM »
Only got through the first 8 mins or so.  He makes some good points and good observations, but this guy is worse than Justin Opinion.  So much fluff, whatever.  Blah blah blah after a certain point.

He does make good points.  However, context specific.  What is intended use, what is the owner valuing, etc?  Ya, Glock not going to regularly win CMP/bullseye type matches against nice 1911s.  Is that what you value?  I don't. There's a balance between uber accuracy and reliability.  There are others balance/difference issues, but that's just one and one that is regularly on display in shooting classes, competitions, etc. 

The part about customization.  I personally change the trigger, sights, and stipple almost all of my Glocks.  Internals for competition guns get tweaked, but others remain closer to stock.  Most often than not, the "upgrades" are what cause issues with Glocks.  I've personally experienced this and learned the hard way at times.  But it's not like other pistols aren't usually modified, especially with shooters with specific needs or shoot often. Aside from those that just like to tinker, 1911s, CZs, even Sig P320, you'll rarely see them closer to stock.  At least with folks that shoot/train often/seriously and/or compete. 

Will go back to watch more of the video.  However, I agree that Glock isn't "perfection", but up to the individual to decide for themselves.  Like cars, many just like or hate on a brand just because and that's fine.  That we have tons of options is great! 

But always will be better than a HK P30. . . at least for those that actually own one. . .  ;)  :rofl:

Yes. EIC points were earned with a plastic pistola and the shooter got his distinguished with it as well.
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drck1000

Re: Was It Ever Great? - What’s the Alternative?
« Reply #19 on: January 16, 2025, 03:05:19 PM »
Same guys also don't own a gen 1 Glock.

I don't own any of those either, but don't want one.

With compared to other striker fire pistols, it's the indian, not the arrow. But what makes G better than others is it's customizable options.  From triggers, slides, springs, holsters, etc...

Then G's look tacticool enough. Compared to say the ugly Shield Plus.
Aftermarked support is definitely a plus for Glock.  However, M&P (at least one main competitor) has a lot a well.  I've been looking at the Carry Comp, but that's a lot of $$$ for mags, holsters etc.  As well as the PDP, which has a lot less aftermarket.  I had two PPQs for a while, but never really shot them, so sold them. 

However, for customization, there are definitely the range as well.  I've learned that the hard way as well on that not all are equal.  My Maple Leaf custom slide and ported barrel has been 100%, with range of ammo, etc.  My custom 48 slide has been having issues, which I am slowly testing variables.  Magwell, mags, frame, etc.  I suspect it's the barrel.  Next step will likely be to try a different drop in barrel or the OEM barrel with the custom slide.  It's definitely a sweet gun, but if it doesn't run 100%, even for competition, no sense. . .