CA preventing residents from rebuilding (Read 9323 times)

eyeeatingfish

Re: CA preventing residents from rebuilding
« Reply #20 on: February 04, 2025, 12:35:16 PM »


So as soon as your home is on fire and you grab your bag that has important stuff on it, you will immediately go to a hotel? Not stop to talk to any HFD or wait for them to arrive?  Not do a head count outside to make sure all your household members don't require medical treatment, see if anyone else needs help, etc....But grab your bag and head straight to the hotel/relatives home.

Just admit, you're trying to move goal post now, instead of admitting you plan to break the law.

You really think stopping your car after fleeing your burning home to do a head count and make sure no one is hurt is going to be a charge of illegally carrying a firearm?

By your logic if I have a heart attack on the way to a gun range and I drive to a hospital I will be committing a felony.  :crazy:

macsak

Re: CA preventing residents from rebuilding
« Reply #21 on: February 04, 2025, 12:47:00 PM »
you are committing a crime, unless there is an exemption for hospitals in an emergency that i missed...

You really think stopping your car after fleeing your burning home to do a head count and make sure no one is hurt is going to be a charge of illegally carrying a firearm?

By your logic if I have a heart attack on the way to a gun range and I drive to a hospital I will be committing a felony.  :crazy:

changemyoil66

Re: CA preventing residents from rebuilding
« Reply #22 on: February 04, 2025, 02:02:58 PM »
You really think stopping your car after fleeing your burning home to do a head count and make sure no one is hurt is going to be a charge of illegally carrying a firearm?

By your logic if I have a heart attack on the way to a gun range and I drive to a hospital I will be committing a felony.  :crazy:

That's what the law says. Why don't you post medical exemptions to the law?  I'll wait for you to post them.

Thanks for trying to move goal post again.

ren

Re: CA preventing residents from rebuilding
« Reply #23 on: February 04, 2025, 05:55:36 PM »
if I have a heart attack on the way to a gun range and I drive to a hospital I will be committing a felony.  :crazy:

https://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/2023/03/31/honolulu-mayor-blangiardi-sign-bill-that-would-restrict-guns-sensitive-places/

Under the new law, concealed-carry weapons won’t be allowed at a hefty list of “sensitive places.”

Those include:

    City-owned buildings;
    State and federally-owned buildings;
    Schools and child care facilities; public parks;
    Shelters, including homeless and domestic violence shelters;
    Places frequented by children, including the Waikiki Aquarium;
    Polling places;
    Public transit;
    Businesses that serve alcohol;
    Large public gatherings, including protests;
    Concert venues;
    Cannabis dispensaries;
    And hospitals.

The “sensitive places” law was the culmination of months of work following the Supreme Court decision.

“We’re not a gun carrying society and we’re not gonna do anything that’s gonna condone that,” Blangiardi said.
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changemyoil66

Re: CA preventing residents from rebuilding
« Reply #24 on: February 05, 2025, 07:52:57 AM »
https://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/2023/03/31/honolulu-mayor-blangiardi-sign-bill-that-would-restrict-guns-sensitive-places/

Under the new law, concealed-carry weapons won’t be allowed at a hefty list of “sensitive places.”

Those include:

    City-owned buildings;
    State and federally-owned buildings;
    Schools and child care facilities; public parks;
    Shelters, including homeless and domestic violence shelters;
    Places frequented by children, including the Waikiki Aquarium;
    Polling places;
    Public transit;
    Businesses that serve alcohol;
    Large public gatherings, including protests;
    Concert venues;
    Cannabis dispensaries;
    And hospitals.

The “sensitive places” law was the culmination of months of work following the Supreme Court decision.

“We’re not a gun carrying society and we’re not gonna do anything that’s gonna condone that,” Blangiardi said.


Yup, so even if you have a CCW and you need to go to the hospital for X reason, you cannot CCW. Including if EMS transports you there.  The hope would be is if EMS disarms you before hand.  But now, is EMS violating state law about possessing a firearm?  IDK if there's an exclusion for them.

eyeeatingfish

Re: CA preventing residents from rebuilding
« Reply #25 on: February 06, 2025, 12:37:04 PM »
you are committing a crime, unless there is an exemption for hospitals in an emergency that i missed...

If you choose the most restrictive and literal interpretation of the law then yes but realistically speaking that is not what the law was intended for and no one would be prosecuted for it.

ren

Re: CA preventing residents from rebuilding
« Reply #26 on: February 06, 2025, 12:40:59 PM »
If you choose the most restrictive and literal interpretation of the law then yes but realistically speaking that is not what the law was intended for and no one would be prosecuted for it.

Is it word salad for lunch?
"Realistically speaking"? what is the converse? Artificially speaking? Lie?
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eyeeatingfish

Re: CA preventing residents from rebuilding
« Reply #27 on: February 06, 2025, 12:48:47 PM »
Is it word salad for lunch?
"Realistically speaking"? what is the converse? Artificially speaking? Lie?

It is only a word salad if you don't understand the difference between a strict literal reading of a law compared to understanding what the law meant to accomplish.

ren

Re: CA preventing residents from rebuilding
« Reply #28 on: February 06, 2025, 12:54:07 PM »
It is only a word salad if you don't understand the difference between a strict literal reading of a law compared to understanding what the law meant to accomplish.

"realistically speaking" Spirit of the law. Word Salad Thursdays.
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eyeeatingfish

Re: CA preventing residents from rebuilding
« Reply #29 on: February 06, 2025, 12:55:11 PM »
"realistically speaking" Spirit of the law. Word Salad Thursdays.

Not the salad you want but the salad you needed.

changemyoil66

Re: CA preventing residents from rebuilding
« Reply #30 on: February 06, 2025, 01:06:38 PM »
If you choose the most restrictive and literal interpretation of the law then yes but realistically speaking that is not what the law was intended for and no one would be prosecuted for it.

Annnndddd here's the goal post moving.

macsak

Re: CA preventing residents from rebuilding
« Reply #31 on: February 06, 2025, 06:33:07 PM »
that's not what you said
stop lying and moving goalposts...

If you choose the most restrictive and literal interpretation of the law then yes but realistically speaking that is not what the law was intended for and no one would be prosecuted for it.

eyeeatingfish

Re: CA preventing residents from rebuilding
« Reply #32 on: February 07, 2025, 01:46:24 PM »
Annnndddd here's the goal post moving.

Nope, just pointing out that you are using an unrealistic technicality to try and win an argument you are wrong about.

eyeeatingfish

Re: CA preventing residents from rebuilding
« Reply #33 on: February 07, 2025, 01:51:22 PM »
that's not what you said
stop lying and moving goalposts...

Yes, I am saying it is not a crime because that is not what the law actually means. If you break a window to save a child from a hot car you have technically broken the law but realistically it is not a crime, you would not be arrested or charged. If you have to resort to a ridiculous technicality to try and win the argument then that isn't much of a win.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: CA preventing residents from rebuilding
« Reply #34 on: February 07, 2025, 01:57:19 PM »
Don't argue with someone who can read minds and predict the future.

Facts < clairvoyance
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

macsak

Re: CA preventing residents from rebuilding
« Reply #35 on: February 07, 2025, 02:07:30 PM »
it's not a technicallity
if it's a law, and you broke it, it's a felony
you never specified "you would not be arrested or charged"
for someone who always chooses words carefully so as not to be wrong, you fucked up and won't admit it, as usual...

Yes, I am saying it is not a crime because that is not what the law actually means. If you break a window to save a child from a hot car you have technically broken the law but realistically it is not a crime, you would not be arrested or charged. If you have to resort to a ridiculous technicality to try and win the argument then that isn't much of a win.

macsak

Re: CA preventing residents from rebuilding
« Reply #36 on: February 07, 2025, 02:07:57 PM »
#addingnuance

Don't argue with someone who can read minds and predict the future.

Facts < clairvoyance

changemyoil66

Re: CA preventing residents from rebuilding
« Reply #37 on: February 07, 2025, 02:11:20 PM »
Nope, just pointing out that you are using an unrealistic technicality to try and win an argument you are wrong about.

Hahahhahahha. "unrealistic".

eyeeatingfish

Re: CA preventing residents from rebuilding
« Reply #38 on: February 10, 2025, 10:43:18 AM »
it's not a technicallity
if it's a law, and you broke it, it's a felony
you never specified "you would not be arrested or charged"
for someone who always chooses words carefully so as not to be wrong, you fucked up and won't admit it, as usual...

You want to win an argument with an overly literal and unrealistic reading of the law? Ok, you win.

Regardless, my initial comment about having a gun in a to go bag is not a violation of the law no matter how you try to read the statute because I would in fact head to a relatives house to stay.

ren

Re: CA preventing residents from rebuilding
« Reply #39 on: February 10, 2025, 12:11:04 PM »
You want to win an argument with an overly literal and unrealistic reading of the law? Ok, you win.

Regardless, my initial comment about having a gun in a to go bag is not a violation of the law no matter how you try to read the statute because I would in fact head to a relatives house to stay.

so if your relatives that you were "in fact" headed to live in Kaneohe and you were stopped H1 headed west in Kapolei, how would you explain that to the officer?
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