CA preventing residents from rebuilding (Read 9320 times)

macsak

Re: CA preventing residents from rebuilding
« Reply #40 on: February 10, 2025, 12:19:51 PM »
you said "By your logic if I have a heart attack on the way to a gun range and I drive to a hospital I will be committing a felony."
you didn't say "i will be charged with a felony"
i am not the one being unrealistic
you are very careful with your words all the time so as not to be wrong, then when proven wrong you cannot admit it...

You want to win an argument with an overly literal and unrealistic reading of the law? Ok, you win.

Regardless, my initial comment about having a gun in a to go bag is not a violation of the law no matter how you try to read the statute because I would in fact head to a relatives house to stay.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: CA preventing residents from rebuilding
« Reply #41 on: February 10, 2025, 12:31:09 PM »
You want to win an argument with an overly literal and unrealistic reading of the law? Ok, you win.

Regardless, my initial comment about having a gun in a to go bag is not a violation of the law no matter how you try to read the statute because I would in fact head to a relatives house to stay.

Do you have a list of laws and ordinances the Cops will not enforce?  Because that would be very useful for those of us who try to follow the statutes -- ALL of the statutes.

If there is no list, and it's all an unspoken list of unenforced laws, then it's you who wants to win an argument using an undocumented, unsupported and unrealistic "fact" -- that the law itself doesn't exist if it's not enforced with or without the public's knowledge.

It ain't illegal if you don't get caught is more of an argument than what you posted.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

ren

Re: CA preventing residents from rebuilding
« Reply #42 on: February 10, 2025, 12:33:32 PM »
what is the definition of being wrong? is it a literal translation? words can have many meanings. He is an artist of the law.
Deeds Not Words

hvybarrels

Re: CA preventing residents from rebuilding
« Reply #43 on: February 10, 2025, 12:35:56 PM »
what is the definition of being wrong? is it a literal translation? words can have many meanings. He is an artist of the law.

Stop blaming lazy people. We didn’t do anything.

eyeeatingfish

Re: CA preventing residents from rebuilding
« Reply #44 on: February 11, 2025, 10:29:36 AM »
so if your relatives that you were "in fact" headed to live in Kaneohe and you were stopped H1 headed west in Kapolei, how would you explain that to the officer?

Why would I drive west in Kapolei if I was headed to Kaneohe?

Flapp_Jackson

Re: CA preventing residents from rebuilding
« Reply #45 on: February 11, 2025, 10:32:57 AM »
Why would I drive west in Kapolei if I was headed to Kaneohe?

Duh
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

eyeeatingfish

Re: CA preventing residents from rebuilding
« Reply #46 on: February 11, 2025, 10:36:06 AM »
you said "By your logic if I have a heart attack on the way to a gun range and I drive to a hospital I will be committing a felony."
you didn't say "i will be charged with a felony"
i am not the one being unrealistic
you are very careful with your words all the time so as not to be wrong, then when proven wrong you cannot admit it...

If your car is on fire and I break your window to pull you out, would you say that I have broken the law? According to the wording of the criminal property damage statute I have but realistically no one would call that a crime. So if you want to go purely with the language of the law then sure, you are right, stopping at a hospital while on the way to a gun range would technically be committing a crime. I just figured we were having a realistic conversation.

eyeeatingfish

Flapp_Jackson

Re: CA preventing residents from rebuilding
« Reply #48 on: February 11, 2025, 10:42:46 AM »
Exactly

Reading is fundamental.  You missed the point of that post because you don't understand plain English.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

eyeeatingfish

Re: CA preventing residents from rebuilding
« Reply #49 on: February 11, 2025, 11:04:25 AM »
Reading is fundamental.  You missed the point of that post because you don't understand plain English.

Wrong

I am illustrating Ren's question makes no sense.

Let me spell it out for you.
In this hypothetical fire situation where I have to grab my stuff and flee my house and I include a firearm, I would in fact go to a relatives house, not to some other part of the island.

macsak

Re: CA preventing residents from rebuilding
« Reply #50 on: February 11, 2025, 11:17:47 AM »
breaking the law is breaking the law
you said nothing about "realistically being a charged with a felony" you said "committing a felony"
once again, for someone who is always so careful with your words so as not to be wrong, it's pitiful that when you actually are wrong, you still try and deny it...

If your car is on fire and I break your window to pull you out, would you say that I have broken the law? According to the wording of the criminal property damage statute I have but realistically no one would call that a crime. So if you want to go purely with the language of the law then sure, you are right, stopping at a hospital while on the way to a gun range would technically be committing a crime. I just figured we were having a realistic conversation.

changemyoil66

Re: CA preventing residents from rebuilding
« Reply #51 on: February 11, 2025, 11:30:10 AM »
If your car is on fire and I break your window to pull you out, would you say that I have broken the law? According to the wording of the criminal property damage statute I have but realistically no one would call that a crime. So if you want to go purely with the language of the law then sure, you are right, stopping at a hospital while on the way to a gun range would technically be committing a crime. I just figured we were having a realistic conversation.

I would call that a crime and so would a few others here. So your statement of "realistically no one would call that a crime" is still wrong.

"Yes, I was wrong and would be breaking the law.  You guys are correct as the HRS states what it states".  This is all that's needed, but instead, you will dig deeper trying to wiggle out of being wrong again, like usual.

ren

Re: CA preventing residents from rebuilding
« Reply #52 on: February 11, 2025, 06:43:27 PM »
Why would I drive west in Kapolei if I was headed to Kaneohe?

good job officer
Deeds Not Words

eyeeatingfish

Re: CA preventing residents from rebuilding
« Reply #53 on: February 12, 2025, 10:25:39 AM »
breaking the law is breaking the law
you said nothing about "realistically being a charged with a felony" you said "committing a felony"
once again, for someone who is always so careful with your words so as not to be wrong, it's pitiful that when you actually are wrong, you still try and deny it...

So you would say that I have committed a crime if I break your car window to pull you from a fire?

macsak

Re: CA preventing residents from rebuilding
« Reply #54 on: February 12, 2025, 10:39:25 AM »
you wouldn't be since cops are always considered on the job...

So you would say that I have committed a crime if I break your car window to pull you from a fire?

changemyoil66

Re: CA preventing residents from rebuilding
« Reply #55 on: February 12, 2025, 10:41:54 AM »
So you would say that I have committed a crime if I break your car window to pull you from a fire?

What if the person was trying to commit suicide?  Could/would/can they want to press charges for a broken window?

Vs. you dragging someone out and they declined to press charges because you saved their life.

So yes, it can be a crime to break a car window and pull someone out of it if it were on fire.

Can you post the HRS that list the exclusion about property damage or a good Samaritan law about property damage exclusion?

eyeeatingfish

Re: CA preventing residents from rebuilding
« Reply #56 on: February 12, 2025, 10:42:34 AM »
you wouldn't be since cops are always considered on the job...

Funny, I don't recall seeing an exemption for being a cop in the criminal property damage statutes...
You are avoiding the point of the question... Would you consider yourself a criminal if you broke a window to save someone from a burning car?

eyeeatingfish

Re: CA preventing residents from rebuilding
« Reply #57 on: February 12, 2025, 10:43:50 AM »
What if the person was trying to commit suicide?  Could/would/can they want to press charges for a broken window?

Vs. you dragging someone out and they declined to press charges because you saved their life.

So yes, it can be a crime to break a car window and pull someone out of it if it were on fire.

Can you post the HRS that list the exclusion about property damage or a good Samaritan law about property damage exclusion?

You are being obtuse just to try and win an argument. This is pointless.  :stopjack:

changemyoil66

Re: CA preventing residents from rebuilding
« Reply #58 on: February 12, 2025, 10:45:31 AM »
You are being obtuse just to try and win an argument. This is pointless.  :stopjack:


Hahhahaa, pot, kettle.

Thanks for giving up cause you know you're wrong.  Or are you going to keep digging?

macsak

Re: CA preventing residents from rebuilding
« Reply #59 on: February 12, 2025, 10:47:25 AM »
thanks for finally admitting you are a cop...

Funny, I don't recall seeing an exemption for being a cop in the criminal property damage statutes...
You are avoiding the point of the question... Would you consider yourself a criminal if you broke a window to save someone from a burning car?