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ren

so much for laws
« on: January 28, 2025, 08:51:20 PM »
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Flapp_Jackson

Re: so much for laws
« Reply #1 on: January 28, 2025, 09:08:14 PM »
#Aloha
#Culture
#Tradition
#Ainokea
#Stairs
#Fireworks

All > Law Enforcement

Same solutions for the Southern US border apply to this problem.  Barriers, drones, trail cameras, sensors, etc. are all methods that don't require paying for full time security.  Someone at a police watch desk can easily report trespassers if watching a video or sensor feed.

Until July 2020, the biggest problem with the stairs was the question of responsibility.  The stairs used to be managed by the Honolulu Board of Water Supply.  They transferred ownership to the city.  i guess the pandemic stopped the city from doing anything the last 5 1/2 years to fix the problem.

There are people suing to preserve the structure as a monument, so why are they not also accepting responsibility for making them safer?  Seems fair to make them responsible if they prevent the city from taking steps.

In the meantime, the Mayor needs to do more than make speeches:
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Mayor Caldwell stated, “Ha‘ikū Stairs is world famous as one of the most
breathtaking hikes in the world. I’m very pleased that we will be able to
save this treasured site from being torn down. We are working on a request
for bids, and our goal is to select a private company or organization that
will provide a safe and well managed access to the stairs; equally important
is to relieve the surrounding community from the negative impacts that have
plagued them for decades.” The Mayor continued, “We know with the right
operator, Ha‘ikū Stairs can be opened safely, preserving this unique
experience and cultural resource.”
https://boardofwatersupply.com/haiku-stairs
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hvybarrels

Re: so much for laws
« Reply #2 on: January 29, 2025, 02:22:26 AM »
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One of the great ironies of modern America is that the vast expansion of laws and regulations has led to the spread of lawlessness. To put the matter more bluntly, it is my opinion that the number of legal restrictions enacted by our Congress and legal regulations imposed by an assortment of federal agencies has resulted in a general disregard of those rules. To understand why this is true, it is necessary to first understand the nature and purpose of the law itself. When this is done, it will be immediately obvious that much of the modern legal code promotes a false impression about what it means to behave in a civil and lawful fashion. Not only this, but it will also be clear that some of the modern code is at odds with the established order of nature. In this latter instance it is especially important to point out that government mandates, which subvert the natural order of things, are in the final analysis lawless acts regardless of the issue of legality.


https://boundarystone.org/the-lawlessness-of-too-many-laws/
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Flapp_Jackson

Re: so much for laws
« Reply #3 on: January 29, 2025, 11:48:19 AM »
Quote from: hvybarrels on January 29, 2025, 02:22:26 AM

https://boundarystone.org/the-lawlessness-of-too-many-laws/
There's one thing I didn't see directly discussed in that article;  liability.

One of the reasons there are so many laws, ordinances, regulations and so forth is the fact that we are an overly litigious society.

We've been conditioned to let the court system settle disputes rather than taking the initiative ourselves.  People are suing for things like pictures on the Burger King menu not looking exactly like the food being handed to customers.

Once a dispute is settled in a lawsuit, lawmakers often get requests to enact new laws to protect either the winner or loser in future such disputes.  At that point, if signed into law, there would be legal as well as civil penalties for acting in opposition to the new law.

Ignoring the laws is born of the notion, "It's not illegal if you don't get caught."  Enforcement is spotty in most places.  Unless a government employee or dissatisfied customer or worker reports the violation, the benefits of ignoring the law will outweigh the cost as long as there's no risk to health or safety.

The more laws we are expected to follow, the more opportunities arise to violate them.  Simple math -- the probability of infractions increases as the number of laws increases.
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