Cases of non-licensed CCWs shooting/killing bad guys? (Read 9741 times)

bryanhayn

Cases of non-licensed CCWs shooting/killing bad guys?
« on: January 06, 2013, 10:07:56 AM »
Do you guys know of cases where good guys who were not CCW licensed shot and/or killed bad guys? I assume these cases usually turn out bad for the good guy when taken to court, right? If you guys could link me to any articles you know of I'd appreciate it :)

bass monkey

Re: Cases of non-licensed CCWs shooting/killing bad guys?
« Reply #1 on: January 06, 2013, 10:09:37 AM »
I assume you mean non ccw but carrying outside of the home anyways? 
Or non ccw and home invasion shooting?

bryanhayn

Re: Cases of non-licensed CCWs shooting/killing bad guys?
« Reply #2 on: January 06, 2013, 10:14:40 AM »
I assume you mean non ccw but carrying outside of the home anyways? 
Or non ccw and home invasion shooting?

Oh sorry...yes, I mean non-CCW but carrying away from home.

Sturmgeschutz

Re: Cases of non-licensed CCWs shooting/killing bad guys?
« Reply #3 on: January 06, 2013, 11:26:14 AM »
There was a guy who open carried at Zippy's way back when.... Got into a bit of trouble.

xer 21

Re: Cases of non-licensed CCWs shooting/killing bad guys?
« Reply #4 on: January 06, 2013, 11:54:16 AM »
Oh sorry...yes, I mean non-CCW but carrying away from home.
probably not too many, because in most places where you need some sort of license or permit to carry, doing that kind of makes you a felon.

i think Oregon (not sure) and Arizona dont require permitting?

Hunter1007

Re: Cases of non-licensed CCWs shooting/killing bad guys?
« Reply #5 on: January 06, 2013, 12:00:52 PM »


i think Oregon (not sure) and Arizona dont require permitting?


I believe that's for open carry.

Kingkeoni

Re: Cases of non-licensed CCWs shooting/killing bad guys?
« Reply #6 on: January 06, 2013, 12:04:59 PM »

I believe that's for open carry.

Arizona does not require a permit for open carry or ccw
Your number one Option for Personal Security is a lifelong commitment to avoidance, deterrence, and de-escalation.

Someday someone may kill you with your own gun, but they should have to beat you to death with it because it is empty.

armsinc

Re: Cases of non-licensed CCWs shooting/killing bad guys?
« Reply #7 on: January 06, 2013, 12:08:14 PM »
Arizona does not require a permit for open carry or ccw
Alaska Arizona and Vermont
No permits are required to open carry or concealed carry

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concealed_carry_in_the_United_States
ArmsInc Hawaii

Hunter1007

Re: Cases of non-licensed CCWs shooting/killing bad guys?
« Reply #8 on: January 06, 2013, 12:13:16 PM »
Alaska Arizona and Vermont
No permits are required to open carry or concealed carry

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concealed_carry_in_the_United_States

I guess you need it in Alaska for bears
                                   Arizona for illegal drug mules
                                   Vermont ??? ohh yeah democrats right?

Haoleb

Re: Cases of non-licensed CCWs shooting/killing bad guys?
« Reply #9 on: January 06, 2013, 12:43:30 PM »
In Maine you can open carry without any sort of permit etc..And when you want to purchase a gun you walk in, fill out a simple form, they call for an instant check and your out with your gun of choice in 10 minutes.

Cant wait to move back!

Kingkeoni

Re: Cases of non-licensed CCWs shooting/killing bad guys?
« Reply #10 on: January 06, 2013, 01:02:52 PM »
And when you want to purchase a gun you walk in, fill out a simple form, they call for an instant check and your out with your gun of choice in 10 minutes.

Cant wait to move back!

Not just Maine, something like 40 states, this is the norm.
Your number one Option for Personal Security is a lifelong commitment to avoidance, deterrence, and de-escalation.

Someday someone may kill you with your own gun, but they should have to beat you to death with it because it is empty.

bass monkey

Re: Cases of non-licensed CCWs shooting/killing bad guys?
« Reply #11 on: January 06, 2013, 01:04:31 PM »
In the state it happened, i dont think it will make big news.  the locals are already used to it, and it dont fit the normal anti gun agenda. 

crazy cat

Re: Cases of non-licensed CCWs shooting/killing bad guys?
« Reply #12 on: January 06, 2013, 01:30:02 PM »
Any article about this kind of thing are going to be very rare.  First of all, good guys don't actually have to shoot bad guys that ofter (<10%); most often, the bad guys run away as soon as the gun comes out.  In those rare cases where someone does get shot, there are usually no witnesses (which is why the bad guys were choosing that time and place to be bad), and the good guy leaves before the police arrive.

Hunter1007

Re: Cases of non-licensed CCWs shooting/killing bad guys?
« Reply #13 on: January 06, 2013, 01:48:48 PM »
Any article about this kind of thing are going to be very rare.  First of all, good guys don't actually have to shoot bad guys that ofter (<10%); most often, the bad guys run away as soon as the gun comes out.  In those rare cases where someone does get shot, there are usually no witnesses (which is why the bad guys were choosing that time and place to be bad), and the good guy leaves before the police arrive.

If the police is even called.

bass monkey

Re: Cases of non-licensed CCWs shooting/killing bad guys?
« Reply #14 on: January 06, 2013, 01:57:01 PM »
Any article about this kind of thing are going to be very rare.  First of all, good guys don't actually have to shoot bad guys that ofter (<10%); most often, the bad guys run away as soon as the gun comes out.  In those rare cases where someone does get shot, there are usually no witnesses (which is why the bad guys were choosing that time and place to be bad), and the good guy leaves before the police arrive.

Firing shots then leaving before the police show up, is that legal?

Dblnaknak

Re: Cases of non-licensed CCWs shooting/killing bad guys?
« Reply #15 on: January 06, 2013, 03:05:07 PM »
Firing shots then leaving before the police show up, is that legal?

Nope, it's reckless endangerment, or attempted murder. Also caring a firearm with out a CCW falls under place to keep and you will be arrested and charged, weapon seized. If you shoot someone it's called manslaughter or murder 2nd if the person dies. It doesn't matter if he was the aggressor because you already broke the law by carrying a concealed weapon. The court my look at as mens rea. If the person survives its aggravated assault with a deadly weapon. They are all felonies.

bass monkey

Re: Cases of non-licensed CCWs shooting/killing bad guys?
« Reply #16 on: January 06, 2013, 03:37:15 PM »
Thanks Db, when that was posted by another user, i was like that doesnt sound right.

Kingkeoni

Re: Cases of non-licensed CCWs shooting/killing bad guys?
« Reply #17 on: January 06, 2013, 04:43:34 PM »
Nope, it's reckless endangerment, or attempted murder. Also caring a firearm with out a CCW falls under place to keep and you will be arrested and charged, weapon seized. If you shoot someone it's called manslaughter or murder 2nd if the person dies. It doesn't matter if he was the aggressor because you already broke the law by carrying a concealed weapon. The court my look at as mens rea. If the person survives its aggravated assault with a deadly weapon. They are all felonies.

In Hawaii
Your number one Option for Personal Security is a lifelong commitment to avoidance, deterrence, and de-escalation.

Someday someone may kill you with your own gun, but they should have to beat you to death with it because it is empty.

xer 21

Re: Cases of non-licensed CCWs shooting/killing bad guys?
« Reply #18 on: January 06, 2013, 05:24:53 PM »
In Hawaii
if there is a permit requirement in place then, yes, he's right, not just in hawaii.

crazy cat

Re: Cases of non-licensed CCWs shooting/killing bad guys?
« Reply #19 on: January 06, 2013, 05:54:02 PM »
Yes, it's very illegal.  Which is why anyone who does it won't stand around waiting for the cops, and why you'll find so little information about this subject.