After watching a couple YT body cam video channels, I'm convinced the Cops need to be issued tranquilizer guns.

People acting like wild animals need to be neutralized like wild animals.  Tasers don't seem to be very effective on people who are high or who just get angrier over being tazed.

Maybe after a nice nap and waking up in a jail cell or padded room, they'll be a little less noncompliant.

After watching a couple seasons of Dexter, it's obvious why he uses animal tranquilizer to incapacitate his targets.

Great idea... but cops shooting drugs into somebody sounds like a lawsuit to me

Great idea... but cops shooting drugs into somebody sounds like a lawsuit to me

i think drugs would cause fewer long term injuries than the current methods of forced compliance using physical means.

Knocking someone out with a tranq dart is better than having to break someone's arm and Cops being injured while the subject is "resisting."  That's especially true on an aircraft or other situation where lots of people are in close quarters.

The people on these body cam videos should get what they deserve for acting like that.  if tranq guns are considered humane for animal control, I think it would be an effective tool for out-of-control humans as well.  There are risks with any type of force.  It seems like incapacitating people who refuse to comply and are threatening others' safety would have more benefit than risk.

Of course, we have to have rules of engagement, otherwise cops may decide tranqing people is a lot easier than having to listen to their BS.   

Great idea... but cops shooting drugs into somebody sounds like a lawsuit to me

Especially here in our "Aloha" State.  That would be unthinkable.  Josh would not have it.

Although I also think it's a great idea.

We might need a tranq dart on Rick though.  He always like beef somebody.

Apparently with tickets getting cheaper, ocean cruises have have become another place where bad public behavior has increased.

Apparently with tickets getting cheaper, ocean cruises have have become another place where bad public behavior has increased.

I've never thought fights on cruises were ever possible.  Unfortunately certain demographics always seem to make the impossible possible.

Now Carnival Cruise Line is being called racist for their new rules for voyagers.

One specifically pointed out:  No bluetooth speakers are allowed outside of cabins. 

Apparently, forcing the entire ship to listen to your favorite hiphop tunes is acceptable behavior.  But making a rule to stop doing that is somehow only intended to apply to one race?

Sorry.  If not appreciating rap/hiphop is racist, then i guess you have to count me in. 

Just because you bought a ticket along with all your friends and coworkers doesn't mean you own the ship.

Since this is about security & law enforcement and methods of controlling individual and crowds, I think cruise ships should install high pressure water cannons in large party areas.  The devices would have multiple uses.

Fire suppression
Crowd control
Fight intervention
Violent passenger neutralizing
Deck cleanup
Cooling off passengers and the deck

I imagine there are other uses.  These just come to mind.

https://youtu.be/vyUjIa9CIU8?t=40

i think drugs would cause fewer long term injuries than the current methods of forced compliance using physical means.

Knocking someone out with a tranq dart is better than having to break someone's arm and Cops being injured while the subject is "resisting."  That's especially true on an aircraft or other situation where lots of people are in close quarters.

The people on these body cam videos should get what they deserve for acting like that.  if tranq guns are considered humane for animal control, I think it would be an effective tool for out-of-control humans as well.  There are risks with any type of force.  It seems like incapacitating people who refuse to comply and are threatening others' safety would have more benefit than risk.

Of course, we have to have rules of engagement, otherwise cops may decide tranqing people is a lot easier than having to listen to their BS.   

In theory yes, maybe even in overall statistics this would hold true but cases like death of Elijah McCain make this a risky tactic. On top of that commonly used sedatives can take a couple minutes to take the fight out of someone.

Tasers are extremely effective as long as the darts get a good spread and newer taser models increase the ability to get a good spread.

In theory yes, maybe even in overall statistics this would hold true but cases like death of Elijah McCain make this a risky tactic. On top of that commonly used sedatives can take a couple minutes to take the fight out of someone.

Tasers are extremely effective as long as the darts get a good spread and newer taser models increase the ability to get a good spread.

It takes 2-5 minutes to tranquilize a tiger or lion.

It takes about 10 minutes to tranquilize a gorilla.

A tranq dart is a valid option when the suspect is not threatening to attack/hurt someone else.  You can dart them, then wait for it to take effect. 

The situations I posted here are people acting up (breaking things, causing a public disturbance, refusing to deplane, or just refusing to comply with commands).

They aren't rabid dogs that need immediate stopping, nor are they holding a firearm or knife threatening to kill someone else.  They are just combative when approached.  Shoot them with a dart, and you won't have to approach them until they are unconscious.

Tasers are not without risks, as there are documented cases of the suspect dying after being tased, and there are times when even properly placed probes won't take the suspect down.  That's why SOP for using Tasers and other non-/less-than-lethal measures includes having backup with deadly force in case things go South.

From what I have seen on recorded video, it often takes 2 or 3 cops to apprehend one uncooperative person. Like was mentioned, Tasers and pepper spray

often times don’t work.  But I have also seen one cop and a police dog and suddenly the suspect gets very cooperative.  Getting and training more dogs would be

cheaper than hiring more officers.

From what I have seen on recorded video, it often takes 2 or 3 cops to apprehend one uncooperative person. Like was mentioned, Tasers and pepper spray

often times don’t work.  But I have also seen one cop and a police dog and suddenly the suspect gets very cooperative.  Getting and training more dogs would be

cheaper than hiring more officers.

I would disagree.  each dog gets a handler.  So 1 dog, 1 cop.  So u still gotta hire more officers.  Unless you have multiple dogs released, but IDK if that is possible and keep their obedience.

I wonder if deadly force would be a deterrent.   Cops give X commands and if after that they're not obeyed, then deadly force is authorized.  In a perfect world, the police would never give a command to stop doing something w/o violating their rights.  And on the opposite end, there are many vids of cops giving a  lawful order to drop the machete and it's ignored for minutes and 12+commands to do so (see big island incident). 

So since deadly force isn't an option and the risk with sedatives, maybe allowing cops to tase/OC sooner would be in the middle. Someone blocking the road, go ahead and tase after telling them to move and they ignore.

There should be a "I'm only going to say this once....." law.

This is how it works:

Cop:  Drop the weapon and put your hands up.  NOW.

Perp:  Ahhhh Fack you cop, kiss my a..........

Cop:  BOOM.

 

There should be a "I'm only going to say this once....." law.
This is how it works:
Cop:  Drop the weapon and put your hands up.  NOW.
Perp:  Ahhhh Fack you cop, kiss my a..........
Cop:  BOOM.
 

....
Sounds good, but here in Hawaii, there is also a language barrier. When I go to practice at the range, there seems to be a lot of people who don't speak english.

Cops have a lot of options...Pepper spray, Tasers, Batons, less lethal shotgun, take downs, beat downs, etc.  Problem with tranquilizers is you have to administer the proper dose.  And any drugs or alcohol in the system, and medical issues, can lead to severe complications.  Tasers and other stuff can cause complications too, but tranquilizers seems like it would have more problems.

Actual live demonstration ....   

I would disagree.  each dog gets a handler.  So 1 dog, 1 cop.  So u still gotta hire more officers.  Unless you have multiple dogs released, but IDK if that is possible and keep their obedience.

You misunderstood what I said, which was it often takes 2 or 3 cops to take an uncooperative person into custody, but 1 cop and one dog and the person becomes very cooperative.

So instead of hiring more cops, have the cops already on duty get a K9 partner instead of a human.  You don’t pay dogs a salary, give them vacation time, retirement pension, car allowance etc.

Guys who like make big body tarun tarun to a human officer not going do that to a growling K9 officer unless they looking to get a very painful dog bite.

Take the Nuuanu case where 3 cops couldn’t apprehend that big black guy and he was beating the crap out of them till they used deadly force.  That guy would have had his hands full fighting a trained police dog.

This woman needed tranquilizing ...

There's a term i keep hearing from the Black podcasters like the Hodge Twins:  Ratchet.

Ratchet behavior
Ratchet Black Woman
Ratchet Karen

From context and usage, I think it refers to the people who go from 0 to 100 Mph emotionally and at max volume for absolutely no reason.  They  make reasonable communication and interaction impossible.  They tend to go into repetition mode, usually in the form of a question, threat, or shouting the same irrelevant sentence repeatedly thereby drowning out and interrupting anyone trying to calm them down or speak to them in a civil manner.

I'll look for a more formal definition ......  Found it!

The slang term ratchet first emerged in the hip hop community in Shreveport,
Louisiana, in 1999 with the release of the song "Do the Ratchet" by Anthony
Mandigo.[4][5] The term made its way into the mainstream through popular
2000s hip hop songs such as Lil Boosie's 2004 remix of "Do tha Ratchet."[4]

The term was often used to describe the lifestyles of black, inner city youth.[4]

The term ratchet became a popular term for women who were deemed
hood, ghetto, or loud.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ratchet_feminism

So, the term appears to be appropriate for this video.   

You misunderstood what I said, which was it often takes 2 or 3 cops to take an uncooperative person into custody, but 1 cop and one dog and the person becomes very cooperative.

So instead of hiring more cops, have the cops already on duty get a K9 partner instead of a human.  You don’t pay dogs a salary, give them vacation time, retirement pension, car allowance etc.

Guys who like make big body tarun tarun to a human officer not going do that to a growling K9 officer unless they looking to get a very painful dog bite.

Take the Nuuanu case where 3 cops couldn’t apprehend that big black guy and he was beating the crap out of them till they used deadly force.  That guy would have had his hands full fighting a trained police dog.

I understand, thanks for clarifying.

I know a k9 handler.
I'll ask him if it's OK to place a dog with a typical beat cop.
I  don't think they can do that.