It would not be possible for government to become so bloated and corrupt without income and property taxes.

What does the government need all that money for? What problems are they solving?

It seems like they are in the business of inventing problems and then forcing us to pay for the "solutions".

Digital ID and govt crypto are just going to make this exponentially worse, which is why our state is going full steam ahead with them.

People breaking the law isn't a "loophole".  Try again.

I didn't say he broke the law, try again.

it's difficult to disguise yourself as a non-tipped employee when delivery drivers (your example) receive the majority of tips tacked onto the check they paid with a credit card.  All anyone needs to force an audit is half a dozen delivery receipts that show you were tipped and the store had to pay that amount to you out of credit card disbursements to them.

Maybe it would be harder these days but credit card tips to a delivery driver weren't really a thing, they dealt mostly in cash.

Maybe it would be harder these days but credit card tips to a delivery driver weren't really a thing, they dealt mostly in cash.

Arguments using past, obsolete circumstances do not apply to today's facts.  Uber, Door Dash, Pizza delivery and almost every business that serves food (Starbucks, for example), solicits tips from customers -- even through the driver thru!  Few transactions are all cash.

When I go to a nice restaurant like Stuart Anderson's, I always pay with a card.  However, when they return with the receipt, 9 times out of 10 I will leave the tip separately in cash.  This is sometimes because someone at my table offers to pay the tip for me (or I for them), but also because we know the tip system varies by store, and it's easier for the server we intended to tip to keep that tip -- or at least most of it.

If they decide to not include that cash tip in their IRS return, that's between them, the IRS, and their conscience.

I didn't say he broke the law, try again.

Show me where i said u said that.

U are imagining things again.

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Show me where i said u said that.

U are imagining things again.

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You brought up breaking the law, not me

Arguments using past, obsolete circumstances do not apply to today's facts.  Uber, Door Dash, Pizza delivery and almost every business that serves food (Starbucks, for example), solicits tips from customers -- even through the driver thru!  Few transactions are all cash.

When I go to a nice restaurant like Stuart Anderson's, I always pay with a card.  However, when they return with the receipt, 9 times out of 10 I will leave the tip separately in cash.  This is sometimes because someone at my table offers to pay the tip for me (or I for them), but also because we know the tip system varies by store, and it's easier for the server we intended to tip to keep that tip -- or at least most of it.

If they decide to not include that cash tip in their IRS return, that's between them, the IRS, and their conscience.

No blanket statement could be made because it depends on the industry. Some are going to have more cash tips while others have fewer. The point was that people find creative ways to avoid paying taxes. The no taxes on tips is just another avenue to do so. It isn't a serious economic policy either, it is a vote grabbing policy like Biden's loan forgiveness (except legal) and in the end I think it will mean a loss in tax revenue. Now I am not against a loss of tax revenue but the republicans aren't cutting the budget to match.

You brought up breaking the law, not me

So you cannot find it.  Thanks for playing.

So you cannot find it.  Thanks for playing.

Cannot find what? Your point?

Cannot find what? Your point?

So you were wrong.  That's my point.

If not for my wife's poor health, I would have moved to the Philipines already.  A friend of mine who grew up in Vietnam and regularly goes back to visit said you could live really well in any SE Asian country on $2800 USD a month.  I like the Philipines because a lot of people speak English.  No tax on tips not going to help my dsughter much.  She makes about $150k as a server at the Hilton.

If not for my wife's poor health, I would have moved to the Philipines already.  A friend of mine who grew up in Vietnam and regularly goes back to visit said you could live really well in any SE Asian country on $2800 USD a month.  I like the Philipines because a lot of people speak English.  No tax on tips not going to help my dsughter much.  She makes about $150k as a server at the Hilton.

Theres a few east asian countries you can live well off of USA retirement.  Vietnam, PI, Thailand, etc...For Thailand, their culture thinks it's bad juju if someone died in the home.  So the sale of it is harder.  Which causes a lower price.

Theres a few east asian countries you can live well off of USA retirement.  Vietnam, PI, Thailand, etc...For Thailand, their culture thinks it's bad juju if someone died in the home.  So the sale of it is harder.  Which causes a lower price.

I like Vietnamese and Thai food much better than Filipino food, but would move to PI because most people in the city area speak English and they have lots of good Vietnamese and Thai restaurants.

I also would not sell my house here.  My daughter lives there and could easily make the house payment with a quarter of her take home pay.  I would rent a nice condo with AC.  One of those buildings I see with stores, restaurants on the first floor.  I would sort of live out of a suitcase in case I gotta flee the country in case their political system got bad and I had to return to the US.

I like Vietnamese and Thai food much better than Filipino food, but would move to PI because most people in the city area speak English and they have lots of good Vietnamese and Thai restaurants.

I also would not sell my house here.  My daughter lives there and could easily make the house payment with a quarter of her take home pay.  I would rent a nice condo with AC.  One of those buildings I see with stores, restaurants on the first floor.  I would sort of live out of a suitcase in case I gotta flee the country in case their political system got bad and I had to return to the US.

Has your daughter done the math on what she would now be taxed vs before the change?  The first $25K is not taxed that's why I'm asking.  But I'm sure they increased it for above $25K.  I don't remember.

Vietnam, PI, Thailand, etc...For Thailand, their culture thinks it's bad juju if someone died in the home.  So the sale of it is harder.  Which causes a lower price.

Chinese feel the same way here, but the aren't the only buyers.

So you were wrong.  That's my point.

Wrong about what?