Funny how you seem to cherry pick a few words after claiming to have read the whole thing.

You completely missed my point, Patrick. Say, "Hi!" to Sponge Bob for me.

Like I said flapper - be straight up with people and all goes well.

Unfortunately, if you adhere to this advice you will have nothing much to say.

At least come up with a better act - this one is decomposing badly.

I understand what you're saying, but I don't agree it's the right step.  Just my $0.02 that this is nothing more than an attack on the 2A and it's future.

I never said it was anything other than an attack on 2a.  The problem as i see it is CA decided to exploit a design "feature" in some Glocks that facilitate a super-easy conversion method to full-auto.  That's now a fact.  We know from recent history more states will jump on the band wagon as soon as their lazy-ass legislators draft a bill also banning Glocks.

Glock is being proactive by changing the designs so any new laws to ban them are moot.  That's much easier to do than trying to get the lawmakers to repeal the law and no longer ban Glocks while they ignore the design update.

2A survives because Glock is making necessary changes to counter any laws having to do with switches. 

2A survives because Glock doesn't stop producing Glocks.  In fact, they say the new design will have improvements.

Tell me how removing the capability to insert a switch harms the Second Amendment, because I'm not seeing it.

Like I said flapper - be straight up with people and all goes well.

Unfortunately, if you adhere to this advice you will have nothing much to say.

At least come up with a better act - this one is decomposing badly.

Your personal attacks are redundant and lame.

Give up the trolling.  You're no good at it.

The government convicted CRS Firearms for his invovlement of the auto link (similar to the above).   The AFT couldn't even get it to work and yet he was convicted for FA.  So I get that you're saying there's a difference between a drop in part and having to do any milling, but with the above also precedent set, I have low confidence that even if milling is involved, would there be any difference.

My statement is all speculation about the future based on current facts and the anti 2A orgs/governments invovled.

That's all true.  However, a few people here want to start fights over something that, as you correctly pointed out, hasn't happened, yet -- something which may never happen.

Wasted energy.

That's all true.  However, a few people here want to start fights over something that, as you correctly pointed out, hasn't happened, yet -- something which may never happen.

Wasted energy.

Hey everyone!

This is Flap - our newest member here at Moms Demand Action!

Oh look - he brought cookies!

The only reason full auto is illegal is because the Fudd surrender monkeys kept surrendering.

It's the granddaddy of all feature bans, and without it 90% of gun control initiatives would not be possible.

Now we are finally seeing some light at the end of the tunnel and the Fudds want to drag us back to the dark ages again.

Hey everyone!

This is Flap - our newest member here at Moms Demand Action!

Oh look - he brought cookies!

Sure we agree on most things.

I’ll work on my temper - it’s not productive.

Keep working on it.  I'm not seeing any results so far.

That's all true.  However, a few people here want to start fights over something that, as you correctly pointed out, hasn't happened, yet -- something which may never happen.

Wasted energy.

I'm thinking decades from now. The anti 2a are good at the long game. Look at how many gun laws were passed since the 60's to now.  Each step of the way, I'm sure some gun owners said "yeah, that makes sense".

That's why I brought up another example of a 15rd mag.  Gun makers would have to redesign the gun. 1 that only fits a 10rd mag and 1 that fits above that.

I assume the CA law has a grandfather clause. But what happens if one just doesn't want the gun anymore. They can't sell it, so that's lost money. Or 1 can't hand it down to their kids, etc...What happens if CA makes a law for existing Glocks or like to have a "featureless" thing like how they do with semi-auto rifles.

IMO, it's not just a ban on any gun that can fit the switch.  It's 1 more ban that's 1 more step to less 2A rights.

I often use the example if all gun makers, accessories said "we wont sell to any LEO agency unless their voters can buy it", then there won't be as many gun laws as there are today.  Because the LEO agencies would tell politicians to not ban things. 

If we use HI's AWB bans as proof, then some years the ban had a grandfather clause, others they didn't.  Same with rifle mags.  Add to that the non-transferability due to death of the owner.  Then add in if Bruen didn't happen or the total disregard for Bruen like how HI made sensitive places, then what's to stop states like CA, HI from banning much more than just a gun that can fit a switch.  No grandfather clause because HI will say "F-U, sue us".

The above is my opinion and you have yours.  I'm just elaborating more on why I have this opinion.  I'll end it here.  Thank you for your views.

I'm thinking decades from now. The anti 2a are good at the long game. Look at how many gun laws were passed since the 60's to now.  Each step of the way, I'm sure some gun owners said "yeah, that makes sense".

That's why I brought up another example of a 15rd mag.  Gun makers would have to redesign the gun. 1 that only fits a 10rd mag and 1 that fits above that.

I assume the CA law has a grandfather clause. But what happens if one just doesn't want the gun anymore. They can't sell it, so that's lost money. Or 1 can't hand it down to their kids, etc...What happens if CA makes a law for existing Glocks or like to have a "featureless" thing like how they do with semi-auto rifles.

IMO, it's not just a ban on any gun that can fit the switch.  It's 1 more ban that's 1 more step to less 2A rights.

I often use the example if all gun makers, accessories said "we wont sell to any LEO agency unless their voters can buy it", then there won't be as many gun laws as there are today.  Because the LEO agencies would tell politicians to not ban things. 

If we use HI's AWB bans as proof, then some years the ban had a grandfather clause, others they didn't.  Same with rifle mags.  Add to that the non-transferability due to death of the owner.  Then add in if Bruen didn't happen or the total disregard for Bruen like how HI made sensitive places, then what's to stop states like CA, HI from banning much more than just a gun that can fit a switch.  No grandfather clause because HI will say "F-U, sue us".

The above is my opinion and you have yours.  I'm just elaborating more on why I have this opinion.  I'll end it here.  Thank you for your views.

Maybe your opinion is based on assumptions, not facts:

The law, which takes effect Jan. 1, bars firearms dealers from
selling Glock-style handguns.

It includes exemptions for law enforcement officials, and private
party sales of the weapons will remain legal.

Dealers will be permitted to sell Glock-style guns they received prior to Jan. 1.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2025/10/14/california-gov-gavin-newsom-signs-law-banning-glock-pistols/86685136007/

It's not what you assumed/thought.  Private sales will be allowed. 

Dealers can stock up before Jan 1, 2026, and be allowed to sell all the Glocks they have in stock.

There's no ban/confiscation of Glocks already in owners' hands.

Keep working on it.  I'm not seeing any results so far.

Whose mad?

Your shtick is now sport for me.

For those unfamiliar with this word:

shtick
/shtĭk/

noun

1. A characteristic attribute, talent, or trait that is helpful in securing recognition or attention.

"waiters in tropical attire are part of the restaurant's shtick."

2. An entertainment routine or gimmick.

3. A person's special talent, line of business, or habitual activity.

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Fits exactly, he’s employing it now in the above exchange.  One side serious and straightforward, the other side flapping away.

Where he can’t find a point to attack, he’ll simply misrepresent what poster says, then attack that, or simply skip misrepresenting and post a cloud of words which add up to the same implication.

When he gets pinned down, he simply changes the subject.

All to what end?  Who knows, but there it is.

Maybe your opinion is based on assumptions, not facts:

It's not what you assumed/thought.  Private sales will be allowed. 

Dealers can stock up before Jan 1, 2026, and be allowed to sell all the Glocks they have in stock.

There's no ban/confiscation of Glocks already in owners' hands.

Thanks for correcting my assumption.  At least it's just dealers. Still bad, but could be worst.

Thanks for correcting my assumption.  At least it's just dealers. Still bad, but could be worst.

Is that your new opinion?

i don't mind people challenging my opinion if I'm not current on the issue.  But there's too much backstabbing here over assumptions and things that haven't happened to do nothing more than create more drama than is necessary -- or constructive.

Not you, of course.  You're always quick to admit when you got the details wrong.  Others, however, don't care about the facts.  They only care about their feelings and attacking people based on pure emotions.

i bet they didn't already know what I posted to you before flying off the handle at me.  Let's see if they are mature enough to admit it.

"Now we are finally seeing some light at the end of the tunnel and the Fudds want to drag us back to the dark ages again."

Rhetorical nonsense.  The US didn't exist in the Dark Ages.  Just emotional, hyperbolic garbage meant to incite more emotional, nonsensical responses.

The objective of civilian disarmament is mass murder.

Either you understand history or you trust the government.

Whose mad?

Your shtick is now sport for me.

For those unfamiliar with this word:

shtick
/shtĭk/

noun

1. A characteristic attribute, talent, or trait that is helpful in securing recognition or attention.

"waiters in tropical attire are part of the restaurant's shtick."

2. An entertainment routine or gimmick.

3. A person's special talent, line of business, or habitual activity.

The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, 5th Edition • More at Wordnik

Fits exactly, he’s employing it now in the above exchange.  One side serious and straightforward, the other side flapping away.

Where he can’t find a point to attack, he’ll simply misrepresent what poster says, then attack that, or simply skip misrepresenting and post a cloud of words which add up to the same implication.

When he gets pinned down, he simply changes the subject.

All to what end?  Who knows, but there it is.

Wrong.

The objective of civilian disarmament is mass murder.

Either you understand history or you trust the government.

I understand history.

I do not trust government.

Do you have a point?  Or are you just posting what pops into your head with no actual relevance to this issue?

There's no civilian disarmament in the Glock ban law.  If I'm wrong, please point it out.

There's no civilian disarmament in the Glock ban law.

There it is. The dumbest thing I've read all day.

There it is. The dumbest thing I've read all day.

Yes post after post of minutiae, all carefully avoiding the stark reality that, after encountering such resistance from the 2A community against direct attempts to kill the industry, they are now pushing the argument that if the firearm can be illegally modified, then solely by virtue of that illegal action being possible to perform on the firearm, that firearm is thereby judged intrinsically illegal itself.  Mind boggling mendacity.

… and some say

Is that your new opinion?

The only thing about my opions that changed above is my concern for beneficiaries or financial lost for current Glock owners since there is no restirction on them as it's limited to dealers only.

The only thing about my opions that changed above is my concern for beneficiaries or financial lost for current Glock owners since there is no restirction on them as it's limited to dealers only.

I'd say that's a pretty significant difference.

I'm waiting for the reviews on the new V models. 

i hope they include some ergonomics this time!!