Businesses wont let this happen, they wont risk losing customers for leaning one way or the other.

The one I'm worried about is the stupid bill that would require CCW holders to also carry a taser.  At that point im going battle belt daily cuz how tf am I supposed to conceal a pistol AND a taser lol

This bill, SB 3041, in its present form would be unconstitutional by violating 1A. The gov’t cannot compel any person to speak. Period.

Stupid is what Stupid does.

Well, whaddya know:  Stupid is what Hawaii does.

Don't think business owners would want it as 37% of residents are Republican.  A Republican/gun owners boycott of "red" stores would cripple them.

And why is guns allowed red?  Shouldn't it mean green as in go?

https://www.kitv.com/news/hawaii-lawmakers-to-consider-placard-program-for-firearms/article_17426102-d859-4096-9d01-b60205a5a673.html

The signs would be provided by the state and it would be illegal to operate a business without the placard. An organization against gun violence said although people have the right to carry a weapon, that could lead to more tragedies.

"This is about our local culture and we are now bending over backwards for an incredibly small proportion of the population who wants to carry a concealed weapon and wants to be able to do it wherever they want to, whenever they want to," said Chris Marvin, Everytown for Gun Safety. "They want to eat their meals with it. They want to shop with it. Look they can have guns, that's their second amendment right, but let's be responsible with it."

Legislators are expected to introduce more gun-related bills by the Wednesday deadline.

Seems like they’ve figured out that arguing Hawaii is still a kingdom, and that laws keeping blacks from carrying firearms from the Democrat party’s KKK days, are not quite persuasive in the modern age …..

Honestly - we all knew this was coming.  But there is no way they can force anyone to put no gun placards up.

Fascists will be fascists - even as they call the rest of America fascist.

These commie coconuts won’t stop until this rock is completely unpopulated thanks to them, and the last two will then eat each other.

Businesses wont let this happen, they wont risk losing customers for leaning one way or the other.

The one I'm worried about is the stupid bill that would require CCW holders to also carry a taser.  At that point im going battle belt daily cuz how tf am I supposed to conceal a pistol AND a taser lol

Taser a Hawaii legislator - it’s good clean fun.

Anyway, concealed is concealed, amiright?


















Just kidding

Imagine the ainokea permit guys laughing at us right now for getting all worked up over this stuff

Imagine the ainokea permit guys laughing at us right now for getting all worked up over this stuff

Shhhhh

Some commie coconuts might read what you said about all the ainokea guys wiping their ass on whatever trash the coconuts produce at the leg.

They’ll have to listen to an audiotape of Obama reading his book that someone else wrote for him in order to get to sleep tonight.

This is a good idea because people ALWAYS read and obey signs. ..
Just look at all the speed limit signs on the freeway.
 

I have a high feeling this will pass and 99% of businesses will ban guns due to the constant fake news stigma on guns.

The state doesnt care if it's compelled speech or whatever. We've seen them lie about the sensitive places bill and not care at all.

FUCK YOU, SUE US is their motto.

But we still need to all testify and do our part, or no grumble later.  Even if you're not a CCW holder.  "it doesn't affect me" isn't an excuse to not testify on all attacks on our 2A right.

Anyway, concealed is concealed, amiright?


















Just kidding

Yes.

Don't ask, don't tell.

Of course, no one here does anything illegal, right?

That doesn't mean we have to be forced to do something stupid.  Even Forest Gump knows that.

And even when Forest knows the malady of being stupid, imagine what kind of people we have there sitting in that building on Beretania St.

I have a high feeling this will pass and 99% of businesses will ban guns due to the constant fake news stigma on guns.

The state doesnt care if it's compelled speech or whatever. We've seen them lie about the sensitive places bill and not care at all.

FUCK YOU, SUE US is their motto.

But we still need to all testify and do our part, or no grumble later.  Even if you're not a CCW holder.  "it doesn't affect me" isn't an excuse to not testify on all attacks on our 2A right.

All true.

Communist control makes a place extremely dangerous for all human beings, especially anti-communist ones.

However this is our land, not theirs.  They are the alien species.  No one here today was born a slave, as they demand we submit to.

All of them should need to be expunged from this place, preferably from 10,000 feet, and over the ocean (to break their fall of course).

In the meantime, fight, fight, fight.

I have a high feeling this will pass and 99% of businesses will ban guns due to the constant fake news stigma on guns.

The state doesnt care if it's compelled speech or whatever. We've seen them lie about the sensitive places bill and not care at all.

FUCK YOU, SUE US is their motto.

But we still need to all testify and do our part, or no grumble later.  Even if you're not a CCW holder.  "it doesn't affect me" isn't an excuse to not testify on all attacks on our 2A right.

IF this passes, I wonder how many acts of violence in places advertising they only want disarmed customers and employees will be needed before businesses start removing signs in spite of any legal consequences?  "Today's Special: Fish in a Barrel."  "Daily Special: Safe Work Environment for Criminals."

Also, if a place advertises they don't want you defending yourself, how long before they are sued for not having sufficient security on site during business hours to protect all customers and employees?  There should be libility consequences should anyone be injured or murdered while disarmed by that business.

IF this passes, I wonder how many acts of violence in places advertising they only want disarmed customers and employees will be needed before businesses start removing signs in spite of any legal consequences?  "Today's Special: Fish in a Barrel."  "Daily Special: Safe Work Environment for Criminals."

Also, if a place advertises they don't want you defending yourself, how long before they are sued for not having sufficient security on site during business hours to protect all customers and employees?  There should be libility consequences should anyone be injured or murdered while disarmed by that business.

“This establishment has been marked SAFE for robbery”

Let's all stay home.

The businesses will be screaming.

The politicians will be backpedaling and pointing finger at each other.

And the criminals?  They going do what they going do.  They don't follow laws anyway.

Let's all stay home.

The businesses will be screaming.

The politicians will be backpedaling and pointing finger at each other.

This won't work. The 2A community, let alone CCW holders isn't that big to make an impact.

It’s important to remember that businesses can do this already.  The C&C already has long had printable templates up at its sensitive places site ….

https://www.oneoahu.org/sensitive-places

… so how often do you see these at private businesses?

Pretty much not at all, so it’s reasonable for citizens to assume that there is no organic business community fever to get into this with their customers.  Businesses pretty much hate these .gov oppressors in the first place, so if it happens it will happen by tyranny & pressure campaign only - illegitimate in both spirit and act.

For myself, AIWB concealed is totally concealed.

I would patronize those who don’t play the commie’s game, everywhere I could - avoid those that like to lick the jack boot.

Outside of that, not much else would change.  No business has the right to conduct a body search, and I would never give anyone probable cause to even want to do so in the first place if I wander off track somehow.

I have a lockbox in my truck for when I have to use it (.gov buildings, hospitals, etc.).

In the end, I will under no circumstances let their fervent desire to have me be an easy target for their catch-and-release violent crime brigade, impinge upon my ability to defend myself or others, if necessary.

This won't work. The 2A community, let alone CCW holders isn't that big to make an impact.

Your point is well taken, but it’s really important to remember that there are over something like 2 million firearms registered in Hawaii - our community is actually not small at all.

We backed down the legislature with our voice - there’s a ton of us.  We could push back at the business level extremely hard (with aloha of course) if we choose to.