Gun Appreciation Day Talking Points (Read 4458 times)

hnl.flyboy

Gun Appreciation Day Talking Points
« on: January 15, 2013, 02:43:57 AM »
I originally considered posting this under the Gun Appreciation Day (GAD) thread, but I didn't want it to get buried, and I feel it deserves a thread of its own.  I'd like to make a sheet of talking points to give out to those participating in the January 19, 2013 GAD meet, at least to read over quickly and refresh ourselves so we're not stumbling over words and trying to recall specific instances.

Use of a so-called "assault rifle" in defending homes
• June 29, 2010, A 15 year old teenager used his dad's AR-15 to defend himself and his 12 year old sister from home invaders
http://www.khou.com/news/crime/Burglary-suspect-shot-by-15-year-old-son-of-deputy-97430719.html

• April 19-May 4, 1992, As the rest of LA burned, Korean store owners used Uzis, AK-47's, tactical shotguns, handguns, and other defensive firearms
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1992_Los_Angeles_riots#Riots_and_Korean-Americans


Magazine Capacity
• January 6, 2013, Man gets shot 5 times from a 6 shot revolver but still manages to run away
http://myfox8.com/2013/01/06/ga-mom-shoots-intruder-5-times-saves-children/

• The public face the same criminals the police do, yet the police are reactive to crime.

• Magazine limits won't prevent criminals from carrying multiple guns and/or multiple magazines.

• Magazine limits affect those who choose to obey the law--the "good guys."



Handguns
• October 20, 2012, A12-year old Oklahoma girl used GLOCK during home invasion
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/home-girl-12-shoots-intruder-article-1.1188229

Police have no obligation to protect an individual
• Warren v. District of Colombia, 1981, Women called police twice to report home invasion; police just looked at the house and women were raped for 14 hours after
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warren_v._District_of_Columbia

• DeShaney v. Winnebago County, 1989, the State cannot be held liable for not protecting a citizen
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DeShaney_v._Winnebago_County


JPFO Gun Facts book:
http://jpfo.org/pdf03/gun-facts-v6.0-screen.pdf
(I think I'll print out one or two of these and have them with me)




I started around 1am...It's 2:45am now and I'm pretty tired.  I know there are a LOT of other talking points to have ready.  Help me out and add to this thread so I can update this first post.
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Gun Appreciation Day Talking Points
« Reply #1 on: January 15, 2013, 06:48:20 AM »
Nice work! Brother, Mahalo Nui for the dedication and passion you have to educate people about (safe, legal,) gun ownership. I hope this rally will bring unity for owners and awareness for the uneducated. Aloha

HiCarry

Re: Gun Appreciation Day Talking Points
« Reply #2 on: January 15, 2013, 11:40:15 AM »
Regarding the responsibility of the police to protect you, a better citation is Castlerock v. Gonzales, mainly because it is a SCOTUS case.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Castle_Rock_v._Gonzales

Also, another case, one much older and shows not only a longstanding understanding that the police cannot be held liable for not protecting you, but for the sage comment from the dissenting judge:

 "What makes the city's position particularly difficult to understand is that, in conformity to the dictates of the law, Linda did not carry any weapon for self defense. Thus, by a rather bitter irony she was required to rely for protection on the City of New York, which now denies all responsibility to her." [Riss v. City of N.Y., 293 N.Y. 2d 897 (1968)].

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Re: Gun Appreciation Day Talking Points
« Reply #3 on: January 15, 2013, 05:00:21 PM »
more here too:
http://offgridsurvival.com/guncontrolbans/

One of the arguments you always hear from those who are against gun ownership, is that we need more laws to protect people from guns. You often hear them use buzz words like “high-powered” “cop killers” or “large capacity clips” to scare the public into thinking that we need more gun laws.

Do we really need more laws, or do we need to enforce the ones that are on the books?

There are already a number of “Gun Laws” on the books:

    Guns in the Constitution You must be 18 years of age to buy rifles and shotguns and 21 years old to purchase a handgun. This law also covers the purchase of ammunition making it illegal for anyone under 18 to buy long gun ammo and anyone under 21 to but handgun ammo.
    It is illegal to sell a gun that has it’s serial number removed, changed, or missing.
    If someone buys multiple firearms in a single purchase, an official record is made to notify the ATF
    It is illegal to sell or manufacture ammo that is explicitly made to shoot through body armor.
    It is illegal for the following people to own firearms: felons, those convicted of domestic violence, mental defectives, citizens who renounce their citizenship, anyone who has been dishonorably discharged from the military, those addicted to any controlled substance, and illegal aliens.

And these are just a small number of the gun laws that have already been passed by congress. The list doesn’t take into account the many local and state laws that also prohibit where, when, and how you can carry a weapon.

What about gun safety?

This is another area that is often used by the media to scare people into thinking that “guns are bad.” But what do the actual numbers show?

    According to the National Safety Council, accidental gun fatalities are at their lowest level since 1903.
    Since 1930, the number of guns have quadrupled while the number of accidental gun related deaths has dropped by 80%.
    In the U.S. guns cause 0.5% of accidental deaths, compared to motor vehicles which cause 37% …. Should we ban cars?

Do Gun Bans make people safer?

UN Gun Ban SculptureIf gun bans worked then cities like Chicago and New York would be utopias where crime has been wiped out and everyone skips through the streets giving each other high fives.

But what really happens when a city bans guns?

1966  New Jersey – New Jersey passes a law which local politicians call “the most stringent gun law” in the nation.
Results: Murder rate up 46%; Robbery rate doubles.

1976 Washington, D.C. – One of the most restrictive gun laws in the country goes into effect.
Results: Murder rate up 134%

1982 Chicago – City of Chicago passes a ban on handguns.
Results: Murders committed with handguns up 40%

1986 Maryland – Maryland passes a law banning small, inexpensive handguns knows as Saturday night specials.
Result: Murder rate increases by 20%

2005 Morton Grove Illinois – Morton Grove becomes the first city in Illinois to approve a gun ban for anyone other than police.
Result: The Cities crime rate jumps by 15.7%.

Do less restrictive Gun Laws make people safer? Let’s look at those numbers.

1987 Florida – Florida passes right-to-carry law
Result: Murder rate down 21%

1996 Texas – Texas passes right-to-carry law
Result: Murder rate  30% lower than before the law was passed.

2001 Michigan – Michigan passes right-to-carry law
Result: Murder rate down 4%.

And what did the Founders have to say?

founding fathers holding guns“A free people ought not only to be armed and disciplined but they should have sufficient arms and ammunition to maintain a status of independence from any who might attempt to abuse them, which would include their own government.”
– George Washington

“Americans have the right and advantage of being armed — unlike the citizens of other countries whose governments are afraid to trust the people with arms.”
–James Madison

“The great objective is that every man be armed. Everyone who is able may have a gun.”
–Patrick Henry

“To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them.”
George Mason

“And what country can preserve its liberties, if its rulers are not warned from time to time, that this people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms… The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants.”
–Thomas Jefferson

“The beauty of the second amendment is that it will not be needed until they try to take it.”
–Thomas Jefferson

“The Constitution shall never be construed….to prevent the people of the United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms”
Samuel Adams

“To preserve liberty, it is essential that the whole body of people always possess arms, and be taught alike especially when young, how to use them.”
Richard Henry Lee

We should not forget that the spark which ignited the American Revolution was caused by the British attempt to confiscate the firearms of the colonists.
Patrick Henry

“Firearms stand next in importance to the Constitution itself. They are the American people’s liberty teeth and keystone under independence.”
George Washington
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macsak

Re: Gun Appreciation Day Talking Points
« Reply #4 on: January 15, 2013, 05:23:37 PM »
i would stick with these quotes
if i were to speak with anyone at all
i fear confrontations if antis show up
please do not take the bait
better to just ignore them and not engage in any dialog

maybe you can ask if they have a permit :)

And what did the Founders have to say?

founding fathers holding guns“A free people ought not only to be armed and disciplined but they should have sufficient arms and ammunition to maintain a status of independence from any who might attempt to abuse them, which would include their own government.”
– George Washington

“Americans have the right and advantage of being armed — unlike the citizens of other countries whose governments are afraid to trust the people with arms.”
–James Madison

“The great objective is that every man be armed. Everyone who is able may have a gun.”
–Patrick Henry

“To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them.”
George Mason

“And what country can preserve its liberties, if its rulers are not warned from time to time, that this people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms… The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants.”
–Thomas Jefferson

“The beauty of the second amendment is that it will not be needed until they try to take it.”
–Thomas Jefferson

“The Constitution shall never be construed….to prevent the people of the United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms”
Samuel Adams

“To preserve liberty, it is essential that the whole body of people always possess arms, and be taught alike especially when young, how to use them.”
Richard Henry Lee

We should not forget that the spark which ignited the American Revolution was caused by the British attempt to confiscate the firearms of the colonists.
Patrick Henry

“Firearms stand next in importance to the Constitution itself. They are the American people’s liberty teeth and keystone under independence.”
George Washington

mln41

Re: Gun Appreciation Day Talking Points
« Reply #5 on: January 15, 2013, 06:54:01 PM »
nice work everyone,   lets stick to talking points as quotes.  it would be nice to get some statistics  especially about the uk,  I keep hearing their gun deaths are so low compared to us, but their violent crime is 3.5 times as high.   etc.     

we are just planting seeds,   and showing that we are reasonable and responsible people and we are reminding everyone of our rights.     This is not going to be the place to get into a debate.     
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Jl808

Re: Gun Appreciation Day Talking Points
« Reply #6 on: January 16, 2013, 12:19:53 AM »
I reviewed all the comments on the threads so far and put together something of a handout..

please view, review and feedback here...

http://2ahawaii.com/index.php?topic=5705.msg56991#msg56991

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