Not sure if the link will work, please cut & paste if not. This is it, thanks to Ihara & an unnamed:
http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/measure_indiv.aspx?billtype=SB&billnumber=219

Thanks!   

  I read through it and saw no Grandfather clause in it.  So all of us with AK's and AR's would essentially change to a fixed stock in order to "legally" keep our guns if this one passes. 

because murder is "better" if you beat someone to death vs using a rifle.

nice.


by the way, im unsure of how the state level legislature works

what does this mean?

No upcoming hearings for this measure. To see a list of hearing notices for a particular measure, you may use the Hearings by Measure searchbox under the Search section to the left.
No upcoming hearings for this measure.

does this mean they just introduced it, and it hasnt actually been discussed yet.

because murder is "better" if you beat someone to death vs using a rifle.

nice.


by the way, im unsure of how the state level legislature works

what does this mean?

does this mean they just introduced it, and it hasnt actually been discussed yet.

Process:

http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/session2011/docs/citizensguide/HowaBillBecomesLaw.pdf

ok, this is some serious shit.  we need to mobilize big time on this.  the national stuff is bullshit, this is serious.

there is no grandfather clause, and there's a clause of relinquishing. 

this is clear language, we will have confiscation. 

this is the serious shit.

Did this asshole even read the existing law?

Machine guns are already prohibited.

Introduced by request? WHO?

I particularly enjoyed the part at the end pertaining to extended punishment if you target individuals who are elderly, handicapped, or under 8 years of age. Apparently those groups of people are more important than the rest of us. It also reads, at least to me that anyone caught with an "assault" weapon is now comitted a class c felony.

Well, looks like some of us fear-mongerers weren't too far off. I truly hope that they put some thought into this before acting prematurely. But considering how far left our state congress is, I fear the worst.

ok, this is some serious shit.  we need to mobilize big time on this.  the national stuff is bullshit, this is serious.

there is no grandfather clause, and there's a clause of relinquishing. 

this is clear language, we will have confiscation. 

this is the serious shit.

Similar to Feinstein's bill but at the state level, and much worst because there is no republican filled house to forcefully oppose.

Similar to Feinstein's bill but at the state level, and much worst because there is no republican filled house to forcefully oppose.

this is worse than feinstein's bill.  there is no grandfathering clause.  that spells confiscation, period.

Thanks!   

  I read through it and saw no Grandfather clause in it.  So all of us with AK's and AR's would essentially change to a fixed stock in order to "legally" keep our guns if this one passes. 

Actually as it reads you would not even be able to get around it by putting on a fixed stock... Since those weapons are banned by name you can do any modification and it would not matter. It is only those weapons not specifically named that will be considered "assault" weapons using the outlined criteria.

Which leads to my previous post..

Sl34-C Possession of assault weapon prohibited. (a) Any
person who, within this State, possesses any assault weapon,
shall be guilty of a class C felony.


One section at the end reads:

SECTION 3. This Act does not affect rights and duties that
matured, penalties that were incurred, and proceedings that were
begun before its effective date.

Does this mean any of us with "assault" weapons before this law would potentially be enacted are exempt with current firearms? That is how it sounds to me.

It also reads, at least to me that anyone caught with an "assault" weapon is now comitted a class c felony.

That is exactly what it says.  So this is serious stuff.  And as stated before Hawaii politicians are clueless dems that just blindly follow.  There is a lot good chance of something like this passing.

I hate that fact that there's no grandfather clause.  None of these people are considering the fact that Hawaii is a very safe state in terms of gun violence.  Our laws are strict enough.  Why punish us further? 

According to the original posted link, I don't read that it's illegal to possess an "assault rifle." It mainly bans the sale, transfer or use in a crime. Am I wrong in the interpretation?

Refer to the top of the third page.  That part is the part that governs our semi-only AR's and AK's.  The part 1 you read refers to "select-fire firearms" which we are unable to own here in Hawaii and that are highly regulated.  So even if they made that long list it was for naught.  Just goes to show how little these idiots understand what they're talking about.

 

Actually as it reads you would not even be able to get around it by putting on a fixed stock... Since those weapons are banned by name you can do any modification and it would not matter. It is only those weapons not specifically named that will be considered "assault" weapons using the outlined criteria.

So if my AR had a pistol grip and a collapsible stock I could technically change to a fixed stock and be in the limits of that bill.  It boils down to the language of the bill. 

Regardless of what happens, this should be a wake up call, that extends much further than guns. If gun owners put as much effort into ensuring every gun owner in Hawaii voted for republican candidates in the various districts as they do for keeping their guns, just maybe we wouldn't be in this mess. Many just blow it off, saying my vote won't make a difference but it does, especially when well organized and in numbers, similar to Saturday's event. In many districts, I believe it's quite possible to potentially get the necessary votes, but so often people just aren't voting and other aren't even registered. Until the political makeup in Hawaii changes, we will always be held hostage to Hawaii's liberal agenda.

 

Not quite so fast.... This is just the first part of the definitions keep in mind.
 

 PART . ASSAULT WEAPONS
 5134-A Definitions. As used in this part:
 llAssault weapon", excluding any firearm modified to render
 it permanently inoperable, means:(1) Any selective-fire firearm capable of fully automatic,semiautomatic, or burst fire at the option of the user or any of the following specified semiautomatic firearms: Algimec Agmi; Armalite AR-180; Australian
Automatic Arms SAP Pistol; Auto-Ordnance Thompson
type; Avtomat Kalashnikov AK-47 type; Barrett Light-
Fifty model 82A1; Beretta AR-70; Bushmaster Auto Rifle
and Auto Pistol; Calico models M-900, M-950, and 100-P; Chartered Industries of Singapore SR-88; Colt AR-15 and Sporter; Daewoo K-1, K-2, Max-1, and Max-2; Encom MK-IV, MP-9, and MP-45; Fabrique Nationale
2013-0637 SB SMA.doc
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FN/FAL, FN/LAR, or FN/FNC; FAMAS MAS 223; Feather AT-9
and Mini-AT; Federal XC-900 and XC-450; Franchi
SPAS-12 and LAW-12; Galil AR and ARM; Goncz High-Tech
Carbine and High-Tech Long Pistol; Heckler & Koch
HK-91, HK-93, HK-94, and SP-89; Holmes MP-83; MAC-10,
MAC-11, and MAC-11 Carbine type; Intratec TEC-9 and
Scorpion; Iver Johnson Enforcer model 3000; Ruger
Mini-l4/5F folding stock model only; Scarab Skorpion;
SIG 57 AMT and 500 series; Spectre Auto Carbine and
Auto Pistol; Springfield Armory BM59, SAR-48, and G-3;
Sterling MK-6 and MK-7; Steyr AUG; Street Sweeper and
Striker 12 revolving cylinder shotguns; USAS-12; UZI
Carbine, Mini-Carbine, and Pistol; Weaver Arms
Nighthawk; Wilkinson IlLindaIl Pistol;

Refer to the top of the third page.  That part is the part that governs our semi-only AR's and AK's

 
So if my AR had a pistol grip and a collapsible stock I could technically change to a fixed stock and be in the limits of that bill.  It boils down to the language of the bill.

only if you dont have a flash suppressor/threaded barrel. 

most of us would be shit out of luck.

my firearm is explicitly banned by name.

I stand corrected.  Oddly though not all brands or models of AR's are represented on the list.  How does that work then?

According to the original posted link, I don't read that it's illegal to possess an "assault rifle." It mainly bans the sale, transfer or use in a crime. Am I wrong in the interpretation?

§134-C  Possession of assault weapon prohibited.  (a)  Any person who, within this State, possesses any assault weapon, shall be guilty of a class C felony.

I stand corrected.  Oddly though not all brands or models of AR's are represented on the list.  How does that work then?

I believe it would fall into the next part where they say if it has two or more of the features outlined, similar to the 1994 ban. Seems that as written, it catches a huge amount of weapons.