Divide and conquer sure does work, doesn't it?

  Brother belive what you want . Being part of my union right after high school and opting not to go to college was probably the smartest thing I've done . 29 yrs of age bringing in 80-100k a year helps me support lgs and small business owners . This great country was built brick by brick ,stone by stone by unions . No stunt in growth

I have no problem with unions, workers should be free to organize, bargain for better salaries and benefits, and strike.  Management, however, should be free to fire striking workers at will.  Unfortunately, and thanks largely to the Democratic Party, unions are able to hold their employers hostage under threat of government reprisals.  The way modern unions do business is anti-capitalism and un-American.

I have no problem with unions, workers should be free to organize, bargain for better salaries and benefits, and strike.  Management, however, should be free to fire striking workers at will.  Unfortunately, and thanks largely to the Democratic Party, unions are able to hold their employers hostage under threat of government reprisals.  The way modern unions do business is anti-capitalism and un-American.

Yes in a way you are corect I'll give you that , but those were the old days when a union "boss" had to much power . With laws and regulations set by the federal goverment . They don't run like that .

Divide and conquer sure does work, doesn't it?

It's always interesting to see a 3000 year old policy that's just as effective today as it was back then.

  Brother belive what you want . Being part of my union right after high school and opting not to go to college was probably the smartest thing I've done . 29 yrs of age bringing in 80-100k a year helps me support lgs and small business owners . This great country was built brick by brick ,stone by stone by unions . No stunt in growth

Thank you for proving my point. Good for you, bad for the economy. No stunt in your personal growth but the economy is in a shithole right now, if you don't think that's a stunt in growth then I don't know what is. By saying you skipped college and went straight to a union I assume you didn't go to a trade school either. People opting not to have a higher education benefits society how? A less educated population is more prone to being sheeple that follow right along with the government's plans. If unions are so great then why are they dying out? Because they're bad for business, the economy, and society as a whole. Unions will eventually be gone entirely but the fight to keep them alive will damage our economy/society to the bitter end.

I have no problem with unions, workers should be free to organize, bargain for better salaries and benefits, and strike.  Management, however, should be free to fire striking workers at will.  Unfortunately, and thanks largely to the Democratic Party, unions are able to hold their employers hostage under threat of government reprisals.  The way modern unions do business is anti-capitalism and un-American.

There, I fixed it since the things you're ok with can be done without a union. Like I said, unions operate kinda like the communist party.

So.... the sub-prime lending crisis where a buncha banks pumped up the US economic indices by passing off risky debt as prime rated debt packages until people started defaulting on those loans... that didn't have some effect on the economy?

And the new normal business practice of offshoring profits to tax haven countries and paying down to zero taxes in the US - another method of reporting more income to your stock holders - has nothing to do why the government is looking at enormous budget shortfalls?

Its just a bunch of greedy union guys wanting to get paid enough to live the same standard of living as their parents in the face of inflation that is tanking the economy?

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Just sayin. I know it is no single factor. But calling a guy un-american because the single income family is extinct through no fault of his own is a little harsh.

Lol unions dying out brother were stronger then ever . Good leaders good members . You see like my pa always said " fear, fear will always bring out the weak in a man . If you show fear it would bite you in the ass ". Yes I did go to trade school which I didn't have to pay for . I know my craft and know it well . All I read on here is fear , fear of the unknown .

You know politicians gun doesn't really mean gun rifle doesn't really mean rifle... Fuck Obama

So.... the sub-prime lending crisis where a buncha banks pumped up the US economic indices by passing off risky debt as prime rated debt packages until people started defaulting on those loans... that didn't have some effect on the economy?

And the new normal business practice of offshoring profits to tax haven countries and paying down to zero taxes in the US - another method of reporting more income to your stock holders - has nothing to do why the government is looking at enormous budget shortfalls?

Its just a bunch of greedy union guys wanting to get paid enough to live the same standard of living as their parents in the face of inflation that is tanking the economy?

......

Just sayin. I know it is no single factor. But calling a guy un-american because the single income family is extinct through no fault of his own is a little harsh.

I agree with you, clshade. The guys at the top and the guys at the union all look out for their own self interest. Kinda sad that we're all screwed.

I think about my kid a lot and what kind of future we are handing his generation. The only thing I can do is pray to God that He will fix this mess. 

Lol unions dying out brother were stronger then ever . Good leaders good members . You see like my pa always said " fear, fear will always bring out the weak in a man . If you show fear it would bite you in the ass ". Yes I did go to trade school which I didn't have to pay for . I know my craft and know it well . All I read on here is fear , fear of the unknown .

Believe what you want of your union. Data speaks for itself.
https://www.google.com/search?q=union+membership&hl=en&tbo=u&tbm=isch&source=univ&sa=X&ei=CDv_ULrACdGvigLP8YC4Bg&sqi=2&ved=0CC0QsAQ&biw=1060&bih=580
I don't know where this "fear" argument is coming from. I have no doubt that you know your craft, but sounds like you are unable to comprehend the problem with unions and are just saying random things praying that the conversation will move on without anyone noticing (you related to Carolyn McCarthy?). Although it's not your fault because you probably have no experience in anything related to finances, and I'm not talking about balancing your checkbook (which a surprising number of people can't do). Quick example, if unions didn't bully employers maybe employers would have more capital to grow their business, make more money, and pay you even more than you make now. Now that's purely hypothetical and one really knows for sure, but what is certain is that unions manipulate the market and are detrimental to businesses, just look at Ford's pension disaster and how it required a government bail-out and pension buyouts to save.

clshade is right, the current economic situation isn't due to any single factor. I'm saying unions contribute to the problem and voting for Obama on the basis that unions are good because you get paid is misguided.

I'm pro union so that make me un-american ? Lol where do people get their facts from oh yeah the internet  because everything on the internet us true . What's un-american is you guys bashing  our president. A man who's peers put him back in charge for a second term by a f-ING landslide . Lol  they used to hang people in the old days for saying such things . I mean besides all the old mafia union bosses who do you know in a union seat ? Come on and get a grip .

Bruddahs, this is getting ridiculous.

I get it that some people support unions, and I get it that some people don't like unions.

Some people benefit from participation in a union, and so they naturally support them.

Other people see things differently, so they respond accordingly.

Maybe just agree to disagree and move on...

Okay DF I got the problem were are having. I'm speaking on behalf of Hawaii's unions (more so my union) .we are the second highest paid union in the state . The highest paid plumbers union in America . Trust me I do see your point , but see mines also . Anyways my wife does the finances for the house . She got her degree in accounting.

Bruddahs, this is getting ridiculous.

I get it that some people support unions, and I get it that some people don't like unions.

Some people benefit from participation in a union, and so they naturally support them.

Other people see things differently, so they respond accordingly.

Maybe just agree to disagree and move on...

Lol this is the only time its fun on here . Other than this we only got guys who wanna sell 50 dollar pmags that they got for 20 bucks

Personally, I'm glad to see a union guy here that is passionate about firearms and 2a. We need all the help we can get  with this legislature.

338KID, hope you can reach out to other union guys that care about this issue.

Personally, I'm glad to see a union guy here that is passionate about firearms and 2a. We need all the help we can get  with this legislature.

338KID, hope you can reach out to other union guys that care about this issue.

Just because we are union don't make us anti 2a/ Americans . I know of a few union managers who hunt or own rifles . My point was we are union/ democrats who are pro 2a . Not cock suckers/ un-american . If you want to get political we can gladly meet at a Starbucks and talk . Dang diet drinks on me . To say I do talk to a couple of managers time to time . 2a is one of our big topics for we do belive in it .

Bruddahs, this is getting ridiculous.

I get it that some people support unions, and I get it that some people don't like unions.

Some people benefit from participation in a union, and so they naturally support them.

Other people see things differently, so they respond accordingly.

Maybe just agree to disagree and move on...

+1. I have my comments on unions. I keep my opinions to my self here. (I will make a very serious effort)
This is a 2A forum. We all need to be unified if we wish to keep our freedom.

Keep the issues strictly to 2A, and concentrate on how we can fight the powers which wish to strip our freedom.

It is very hard to seperate the issues. All the issues, as a whole, are very complex.  However, segregating the 2A topic from the rest makes this simple.   KEEP THE EYE ON THE PRIZE FOLKS. 

Just because we are union don't make us anti 2a/ Americans . I know of a few union managers who hunt or own rifles . My point was we are union/ democrats who are pro 2a . Not cock suckers/ un-american . If you want to get political we can gladly meet at a Starbucks and talk . Dang diet drinks on me . To say I do talk to a couple of managers time to time . 2a is one of our big topics for we do belive in it .

No one doubts your love of firearms, your "Americanism" or disdain for fellatio.

The point is that a vote for Obama hurt America in more ways than are evident at this point.

I know your friends and co-workers who are are also big gun guys.

I know for a fact that they love guns and the 2nd amendment.

I also know that Union guys love their unions.

My family were big union guys back when it was "different"

My only point in opening up this can of worms thread is Obama is a liar.

Nothing against anyone here but if you voted for him, you were deceived.

Tell you the truth brother kk I was gonna past on the post , but when you call us cock suckers I had to say my peace . Maybe its me I'm probably the only person here who voted for him . Maybe 2ahawaii should change their name to republicanshawaii so that us democrats know not to join. I joined this forum for my love of guns, to meet fellow gun owners who share the same Passion as I . It seems all black and white not grey .

Tell you the truth brother kk I was gonna past on the post , but when you call us cock suckers I had to say my peace . Maybe its me I'm probably the only person here who voted for him . Maybe 2ahawaii should change their name to republicanshawaii so that us democrats know not to join. I joined this forum for my love of guns, to meet fellow gun owners who share the same Passion as I . It seems all black and white not grey .

Hahahaha, cork soakers.