M855 has the tungsten core in it compared to 193 without. Some say the placement of the core has an effect on accuracy.

I've never seen a tungsten core mentioned in any M855, only steel which is why you can pick up the rounds with a magnet.

I've never seen a tungsten core mentioned in any M855, only steel which is why you can pick up the rounds with a magnet.

you're right, steel my mistake.

That is what I've noticed in my guns. XM855 has been noticeably less consistent than XM193, but both are plenty accurate for my uses.

I've tried as heavy as 77 gr Hornaday and Federal match ammo (75 gr) out of my 1/7 barrels and they are excellent. At anywhere from $1-1.20 (pre-craziness prices), they better be.

I think only Nosler, Sierra, JLK and Berger made 77s.

you're right, steel my mistake.

Ah ok

How would the placement of the steel affect ballistics? I always thought it was steel tipped like in this picture so its just sitting on the lead, not encasing or being encased by the lead so each bullet is exactly the same..

Ah ok

How would the placement of the steel affect ballistics? I always thought it was steel tipped like in this picture so its just sitting on the lead, not encasing or being encased by the lead so each bullet is exactly the same..

I was referring to the older M855 not the M855a1. I haven't shot the newer, greener version. I did cut away the M855 bullet component, SS109 and there is a core. Some more experienced shooters said that the placement of that core may be off center. I mostly encounter M855 green tips at combat matches and quals. I Mex match with 60 HPs for reduced course practice and have shot 75 Widener's pill Mex match at 200 with good results.

Not hijacking, just informing.

We have the 62gr Green Tip M855 in stock NOW but very pricey due to what we had to pay for it during the ammo crisis, its $499 for a case of 420 on stripper clips in an ammo can direct from Federal

We also have the m193 55gr FMJ from Magtech in stock starting friday (2 days from now whoo-hoo!) for $649/1000 or $35/box of 50

I have a line on 34k of Federal XM193 thats going to be here in a few weeks but so far its only allocated to us, not yet shipped.  Probably looking at $599/k on that stuff, will know more soon

and on the cheaper side we have pmc 223 coming in but still 6-8 weeks out, that should go for $399-449/k but I dont know how much we are getting yet...

Also got some steel cased tula 223 coming in about two-three weeks for $399/k but again, that is steel cased.

I think only Nosler, Sierra, JLK and Berger made 77s.

Correction.  The Hornady was 75.  The 77 gr I shot was FGMM SMKs.

Thanks OGC.  If only I had the budget right now, but I had to replace my phone.

Oh well, I'll be on the look out for the m855 from you guys in the future, hopefully with no panic.

Yeah, I gave up on Natchez months ago due to their no shipping to Hawaii BS.

Yeah, yeah, UPS Hazmat fees, whatever, just quote the damn price...............

I actually like Natchez for ordering certain items. Most places won't ship ammo to Hawaii due the the Federal restrictions and the hassles they have to deal with. Most of the companies you order from will not ship ammo, primers, powder to Hawaii. It is not just Natchez. Natchez will ship any non hazmat materials to Hawaii using USPS, UPS and Fedex. And if you are on their mailing list and get their discontinued/discount catalogs you will find they have some of the best prices on specific things including shipping. Also, they will take back anything you buy that is defective and will give you your money back or credit. Also, they will credit your account with the return shipping. How many companies still do that?

They are not without their quirks, however. It is better to call them with orders and use their snail mail catalogs. Their website is not always in sync with the best prices in the catalog and vice versa.

With all the hassle it takes for mail order companies to ship hazmat materials to Hawaii I am not surprised that it would be in the 90%-95% range are not prepared to ship hazmat here. It's their loss and I only deal with companies that do ship. It's just that when you put prices together with hazmat shipping you'll find that the LGS are about the same and not far off.  Now, if you reload your choices open up a bit. 

CMP will ship
.223 is listed in the E Store
http://odcmp.com/Sales/ammo.htm
Once in awhile they will get surplus ammo i.e. Remington white box.
Of course, there is the long wait. I waited a year just for .22, but it comes right to your door step like my M1s, 40X

I was referring to the older M855 not the M855a1. I haven't shot the newer, greener version. I did cut away the M855 bullet component, SS109 and there is a core. Some more experienced shooters said that the placement of that core may be off center. I mostly encounter M855 green tips at combat matches and quals. I Mex match with 60 HPs for reduced course practice and have shot 75 Widener's pill Mex match at 200 with good results.

Hmm, interesting. Sounds like a quality control issue that needs to be worked out at the factory. I haven't noticed any inaccuracies in my M855, then again I'm not a match shooter.

Not hijacking, just informing.

We have the 62gr Green Tip M855 in stock NOW but very pricey due to what we had to pay for it during the ammo crisis, its $499 for a case of 420 on stripper clips in an ammo can direct from Federal

We also have the m193 55gr FMJ from Magtech in stock starting friday (2 days from now whoo-hoo!) for $649/1000 or $35/box of 50

I have a line on 34k of Federal XM193 thats going to be here in a few weeks but so far its only allocated to us, not yet shipped.  Probably looking at $599/k on that stuff, will know more soon

and on the cheaper side we have pmc 223 coming in but still 6-8 weeks out, that should go for $399-449/k but I dont know how much we are getting yet...

Also got some steel cased tula 223 coming in about two-three weeks for $399/k but again, that is steel cased.

cheeeeeehoooooo prices getting better. Forget trying to order ammo online, not worth it.... Unless you work for a freight forwarder and/or you got the hook ups!.... And if that is the case, lmk...

Not hijacking, just informing.

We have the 62gr Green Tip M855 in stock NOW but very pricey due to what we had to pay for it during the ammo crisis, its $499 for a case of 420 on stripper clips in an ammo can direct from Federal

We also have the m193 55gr FMJ from Magtech in stock starting friday (2 days from now whoo-hoo!) for $649/1000 or $35/box of 50

I have a line on 34k of Federal XM193 thats going to be here in a few weeks but so far its only allocated to us, not yet shipped.  Probably looking at $599/k on that stuff, will know more soon

and on the cheaper side we have pmc 223 coming in but still 6-8 weeks out, that should go for $399-449/k but I dont know how much we are getting yet...

Also got some steel cased tula 223 coming in about two-three weeks for $399/k but again, that is steel cased.

Hijack away.

Truth is that OGC will probably beat online stores 9 out of 10 times anyway.

I didn't know that any stores had any ammo in stock so I posted the link.

I personally would much rather support local businesses.   

Hijack away.

Truth is that OGC will probably beat online stores 9 out of 10 times anyway.

I didn't know that any stores had any ammo in stock so I posted the link.

I personally would much rather support local businesses.   

True story. The 2 of the last 3 cases of ammo I bought were from OGC and it was cheaper than anywhere else, the other case was from classifieds here. Of course this was before the panic buying so ammo was easier to find.

Hijack away.

Truth is that OGC will probably beat online stores 9 out of 10 times anyway.

I didn't know that any stores had any ammo in stock so I posted the link.

I personally would much rather support local businesses.   

I really didn't think about it much until you said it. The last boxes of ammo I bought was from YG and OGC. And believe me, I shop around for the best prices or the best value. I also use my SA reward points to buy an occasional box of .22 mags. Then I remembered I bought some ammo from WGS and SEC. And primers from X-Ring. And powder from OGC. And some bullets from YG. Guess I spread my money around a bit.

Support your local gun store.

Not hijacking, just informing.

We have the 62gr Green Tip M855 in stock NOW but very pricey due to what we had to pay for it during the ammo crisis, its $499 for a case of 420 on stripper clips in an ammo can direct from Federal

We also have the m193 55gr FMJ from Magtech in stock starting friday (2 days from now whoo-hoo!) for $649/1000 or $35/box of 50

I have a line on 34k of Federal XM193 thats going to be here in a few weeks but so far its only allocated to us, not yet shipped.  Probably looking at $599/k on that stuff, will know more soon

and on the cheaper side we have pmc 223 coming in but still 6-8 weeks out, that should go for $399-449/k but I dont know how much we are getting yet...

Also got some steel cased tula 223 coming in about two-three weeks for $399/k but again, that is steel cased.

Nice.  Looking forward to the cheap stuff lol.