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kujo

use of Pu'uloa Range Training Facility (PRTF) in support of bullseye matches...
« on: January 27, 2013, 12:11:44 PM »
Fellow bullseye shooters,

 I understand currently several local gun clubs host numerous outdoor conventional pistol (1800/2700 Agg NRA) and High Power Rifle matches at Koko Head public gun range. Being that i have attended both events in the past, i have realized these matches are somewhat restrictive due to range limitations and locally enforced firing times. Understanding this, Pu'uloa Gun Club seems to be the only gun club using PRTF to host Rifle matches (no pistol that i am aware of). PRTF is more suitable to host matches of this type over a weekend time frame. PRTF belongs to the Marine Corps who focus mainly on training rifle and pistol qualification details for their Marines on most weekdays.

If there is legitimate amount of interest amongst the bullseye shooting community to possibly hosting practice or NRA approved matches aboard PRTF; i am more than willing to discuss this possibility. a simple letter of request can be submitted to appropriate authorizing personnel and based off previous requests, it was most likely be approved. My purpose is to rejuvenate this type of competitive marksmanship through providing access to resources, venue and being a liaison between shooting community and military command.

Facility capabilities: (2) rifle ranges 100, 200, 300, 500, 600, 800, 1000 yard lines. (4) pistol ranges 7, 15, 25, 50 yard line with fully equipped pneumatic targets 40+ target front per range. Targetry resources (minimal fee)

Since i am not familiar with the "key" players in this shooting community, please feel free to direct them to this link. Thanks for reading,
 
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ren

Re: use of Pu'uloa Range Training Facility (PRTF) in support of bullseye matches...
« Reply #1 on: January 27, 2013, 02:51:25 PM »
I was a club officer for a couple of years at PRPC. From my experience, there is little interest in highpower and the last HP rifle event I attended at Kokohead was 10 years ago. The only clubs that host bullseye shooting that I am aware of is the Chinese Gun Club for bullseye pistol and Puuloa Rifle and Gun Club for bullseye pistol and HP rifle. The problem is garnering enough interest to man the pits, run the line and watch the beach at Puuloa.

The range at Puuloa is open to 600 yds for us. In order to use the 1000 yd distance you must be a qualified sniper from any of the schools, SOTIC, SEAL, Marine Corps, Army with a .gov sniper rifle and .gov ammunition. The cartridges allowed are up to .30/06. No .338 Lapuas etc. The range personnel are looking at other cartridges and extending the impact zones but till then it is 30/06.
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Teichi

Re: use of Pu'uloa Range Training Facility (PRTF) in support of bullseye matches...
« Reply #2 on: January 28, 2013, 02:08:51 PM »
Traditional Competitive Marksmanship events such as NRA and CMP High Power Rifle, Bull’s-eye Pistol are disciplines on the decline. There is less interest because of the degree of difficulty and commitment needed to participate and excel in this type of shooting.  The last Rifle CMP Leg Match on 18 Nov at Puuloa had only 8 competitors – 7 National Guard, 1 Coast Guard. The last Pistol CMP Leg Match on 21 Oct at Koko Head had only 8 competitors – 4 National Guard, 4 Civilians.

NRA F Class has a small following. Puuloa RTF is the only venue that can support the 600 yard line at this time. The firing lines out to 1000 yards would be a welcomed change. I do see a "qualified" shooter certification for using that range due to the SDZ.

The average Hawaii rifle shooter has little knowledge of using iron sights past 100 yards.

The average Hawaii handgun shooter considers distances of 25 yards as too far for “realistic” training.


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338KID

Re: use of Pu'uloa Range Training Facility (PRTF) in support of bullseye matches...
« Reply #3 on: January 28, 2013, 07:08:15 PM »
Sorry new to competitive shooting . I got an 308 bolt gun with scope . When are there competition's for that . Infact I got a few friends who might vr interested. Figure I ask thanks guys
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ren

Re: use of Pu'uloa Range Training Facility (PRTF) in support of bullseye matches...
« Reply #4 on: January 28, 2013, 07:34:28 PM »
Quote from: 338KID on January 28, 2013, 07:08:15 PM
Sorry new to competitive shooting . I got an 308 bolt gun with scope . When are there competition's for that . Infact I got a few friends who might vr interested. Figure I ask thanks guys

http://usfclass.com/what_is_f-class.aspx
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338KID

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« Reply #5 on: January 28, 2013, 07:39:15 PM »
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Teichi

Re: use of Pu'uloa Range Training Facility (PRTF) in support of bullseye matches...
« Reply #6 on: January 29, 2013, 12:01:35 AM »
F Class is also known as Old Man's Belly Benchrest.
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338KID

Re: use of Pu'uloa Range Training Facility (PRTF) in support of bullseye matches...
« Reply #7 on: January 29, 2013, 04:52:35 AM »
Quote from: Teichi on January 29, 2013, 12:01:35 AM
F Class is also known as Old Man's Belly Benchrest.
my type of class
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Heavies

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« Reply #8 on: January 29, 2013, 05:55:01 AM »
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kujo

Re: use of Pu'uloa Range Training Facility (PRTF) in support of bullseye matches...
« Reply #9 on: February 02, 2013, 09:09:24 AM »
concur with all of the above. not enough interest...too difficult...1k yard line only for Spec Operators....etc.

yesterday, during his lunch break, a random civilian walks into our offices aboard Pu'uloa Range Facilities asking about our upcoming USMC bullseye match. He had very minimal shooting experience, had no working knowledge about this event but stated he had his own equipment but would require weapons and ammo; his hardware shortfalls were mitigated on-site. He only heard about this event through another individual, who provided terminal guidance. I am happy to say he will be joining us come Monday to participate in a program specifically developed for new shooters; taught by top shooters in USMC. we are also fortunate enough to have an Olympian pistol shooter amongst our audience who i'm sure will have very interesting insight to add.

Most people don't wake up one day say to themselves..."mmmm, today i'm going to try bullseye....". If we are ever going to grow this program or any program for that matter, WE (those of us who bought into the program all ready) are going to have garner interest, provide "terminal guidance" on just the basics, just enough to point a potential shooter in the right direction. I think back when i first took a glimpse into the competitive world of marksmanship, i would've never gotten involved if it wasn't for a guy all ready into it. Bottom line, we can all stand back and watch the program slowly erode and eventually become extinct OR we can do our part by simply passing on our experience and guidance to those unsuspecting potential shooters.

Thanks for reading and you are all welcome to stop by in the next two weeks to observe this competition, just ensure to stop by building 401 (second building on your right once on compound) to make your presence known.
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338KID

Re: use of Pu'uloa Range Training Facility (PRTF) in support of bullseye matches...
« Reply #10 on: February 02, 2013, 09:17:25 AM »
Quote from: kujo on February 02, 2013, 09:09:24 AM
concur with all of the above. not enough interest...too difficult...1k yard line only for Spec Operators....etc.

yesterday, during his lunch break, a random civilian walks into our offices aboard Pu'uloa Range Facilities asking about our upcoming USMC bullseye match. He had very minimal shooting experience, had no working knowledge about this event but stated he had his own equipment but would require weapons and ammo; his hardware shortfalls were mitigated on-site. He only heard about this event through another individual, who provided terminal guidance. I am happy to say he will be joining us come Monday to participate in a program specifically developed for new shooters; taught by top shooters in USMC. we are also fortunate enough to have an Olympian pistol shooter amongst our audience who i'm sure will have very interesting insight to add.

Most people don't wake up one day say to themselves..."mmmm, today i'm going to try bullseye....". If we are ever going to grow this program or any program for that matter, WE (those of us who bought into the program all ready) are going to have garner interest, provide "terminal guidance" on just the basics, just enough to point a potential shooter in the right direction. I think back when i first took a glimpse into the competitive world of marksmanship, i would've never gotten involved if it wasn't for a guy all ready into it. Bottom line, we can all stand back and watch the program slowly erode and eventually become extinct OR we can do our part by simply passing on our experience and guidance to those unsuspecting potential shooters.

Thanks for reading and you are all welcome to stop by in the next two weeks to observe this competition, just ensure to stop by building 401 (second building on your right once on compound) to make your presence known.
  ;D

Nicely said . Would love to be apart of this as soon as my house is finished . 5 mins away from the range
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Jl808

use of Pu'uloa Range Training Facility (PRTF) in support of bullseye matches...
« Reply #11 on: February 02, 2013, 10:27:54 AM »
I would be interested to get into this one day. Does this require military ID or can civilians participate?

What kind of rifle would be needed to participate?  Is 270 enough?  (Am thinking probably not?)  Should I be looking at an M1 Garand at least for something like this?

http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2011/04/foghorn/competition-shooting-101-cmpnra-high-power

Oh yeah, where would a civilian even begin to practice for those distances?
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ren

Re: use of Pu'uloa Range Training Facility (PRTF) in support of bullseye matches...
« Reply #12 on: February 02, 2013, 06:25:42 PM »
Quote from: Jl808 on February 02, 2013, 10:27:54 AM
I would be interested to get into this one day. Does this require military ID or can civilians participate?

What kind of rifle would be needed to participate?  Is 270 enough?  (Am thinking probably not?)  Should I be looking at an M1 Garand at least for something like this?

http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2011/04/foghorn/competition-shooting-101-cmpnra-high-power

Oh yeah, where would a civilian even begin to practice for those distances?

just show up at a practice match or I can show you at Kokohead. There are many helpful people in highpower.  I usually practice at least once a week there as I am chasing leg points. I download reduced targets from Ray-vin.com for practice at 50 and 100 yards. The key is repetition and consistency. I don't reserve benches as I always practice going through a match from all 3 positions.

The cheapest and most effective rifle is an AR as described in that article. I shoot 77s up till 600 where I shoot 80s.
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