Great pro gun argument by Marko Kloos (Read 4373 times)

foolthrottle808

Great pro gun argument by Marko Kloos
« on: January 27, 2013, 10:03:03 PM »
Got this off facebook...



THIS IS THE BEST WORDED PRO-GUN ARGUMENT I HAVE EVER READ

Interesting take and one you don't hear much. . . . . .
Read this eloquent and profound letter and p...ay close attention to the last paragraph of the letter....

"The Gun Is Civilization" by Maj. L. Caudill USMC (Ret) Marko Kloos, AKA "The Munchkin Wrangler"

Human beings only have two ways to deal with one another: reason and force.

If you want me to do something for you, you have a choice of either convincing me via argument, or force me to do your bidding under threat of force.

Every human interaction falls into one of those two categories, without exception. Reason or force, that's it.

In a truly moral and civilized society, people exclusively interact through persuasion.
Force has no place as a valid method of social interaction, and the only thing that removes force from the menu is the personal firearm, as paradoxical as it may sound to some.

When I carry a gun, you cannot deal with me by force.
You have to use reason and try to persuade me, because I have a way to negate your threat or employment of force.

The gun is the only personal weapon that puts a 100-pound woman on equal footing with a 220-pound mugger, a 75-year old retiree on equal footing with a 19-year old gang banger, and a single guy on equal footing with a carload of drunk guys with baseball bats. The gun removes the disparity in physical strength, size, or numbers between a potential attacker and a defender.

There are plenty of people who consider the gun as the source of bad force equations.
These are the people who think that we'd be more civilized if all guns were removed from society, because a firearm makes it easier for a armed mugger to do his job.
That, of course, is only true if the mugger's potential victims are mostly disarmed either by choice or by legislative fiat--it has no validity when most of a mugger's potential marks are armed.

People who argue for the banning of arms ask for automatic rule by the young, the strong, and the many, and that's the exact opposite of a civilized society. A mugger, even an armed one, can only make a successful living in a society where the state has granted him a force monopoly.

Then there's the argument that the gun makes confrontations lethal that otherwise would only result in injury.
This argument is fallacious in several ways. Without guns involved, confrontations are won by the physically superior party inflicting overwhelming injury on the loser.

People who think that fists, bats, sticks, or stones don't constitute lethal force watch too much TV, where people take beatings and come out of it with a bloody lip at worst.
The fact that the gun makes lethal force easier works solely in favor of the weaker defender, not the stronger attacker. If both are armed, the field is level.

The gun is the only weapon that's as lethal in the hands of an octogenarian as it is in the hands of a weight lifter.
It simply wouldn't work as well as a force equalizer if it wasn't both lethal and easily employable.

When I carry a gun, I don't do so because I am looking for a fight, but because I'm looking to be left alone. The gun at my side means that I cannot be forced, only persuaded. I don't carry it because I'm afraid, but because it enables me to be unafraid. It doesn't limit the actions of those who would interact with me through reason, only the actions of those who would do so by force.

It removes force from the equation... and that's why carrying a gun is a civilized act.

Maj. L. Caudill USMC (Ret) Marko Kloos, AKA "The Munchkin Wrangler"

So the greatest civilization is one where all citizens are equally armed and can only be persuaded, never forced.
« Last Edit: January 28, 2013, 07:44:00 AM by foolthrottle808 »

kavawava

Re: Great pro gun argument by retired USMC Major
« Reply #1 on: January 27, 2013, 10:07:29 PM »
Wow this was very well written and a great piece. 

sikryd

Re: Great pro gun argument by retired USMC Major
« Reply #2 on: January 27, 2013, 10:33:00 PM »
Awesome!

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Re: Great pro gun argument by retired USMC Major
« Reply #3 on: January 28, 2013, 02:25:13 AM »
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By Maj. L. Caudill USMC (Ret.)

Just to clear it up, the Major did not write that.  Marko Kloos, AKA "The Munchkin Wrangler" wrote that on his blog.

The story, in brief, as I remember it, is:

A.  Marko Kloos got tired of defending his intellectual property rights on it, because it had been circulated with so many mis-attributions that it was not worth his time anymore.

B.  At one point, the Major sent a copy of Kloos' "Why The Gun Is Civilization"  to his Pastor and the Pastor thought the Major had written it, and it was circulated that way as well.

It is so well-written that it went fairly viral a couple of years ago.

http://jpfo.org/articles-assd02/marko.htm

There.

In these days, it should go viral again, but with proper attribution.

I am particularly sensitive to this issue because I've had my own intellectual property re-used with incorrect and no attribution, so forgive me for bringing this  up.

You gentlemen who mis-attributed it to the Major, please edit your posts for correct authorship, as shown in the links in this post.

Thank you,

Terry, 230RN

REFs:
http://munchkinwrangler.wordpress.com/2007/03/23/why-the-gun-is-civilization/

http://www.munchkinwrangler.com/
« Last Edit: January 28, 2013, 02:40:01 AM by 230RN »
I do believe that the radical and crazy notion that the Founders meant what they said, is gradually soaking through the judicial system.

foolthrottle808

Re: Great pro gun argument by Marko Kloos
« Reply #4 on: January 28, 2013, 07:46:22 AM »
Thanks for the proper citation.  I'll probably cite this in a letter to some representatives.  Can't say it any better.

rustyeleio

Re: Great pro gun argument by Marko Kloos
« Reply #5 on: January 29, 2013, 07:25:13 PM »
Agreed, very good arguement.  Thanks for posting.

mln41

Re: Great pro gun argument by Marko Kloos
« Reply #6 on: January 30, 2013, 12:36:24 AM »
Great article.  Thanks for sharing
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