vote got deferred till monday. i plan to be there as well, to shake their hands when it gets dropped and doesnt pass.

im waiting to hear back from flyboy.  i know she was from the AG-s office. dont remember her name, and im super bad with names.

flyboy was one of the people that told her its a right not a privilege. im sure he will remember her name. hopefully he chimes in soon

Looks like this one was deferred in two separate committees in two separate rooms on two separate days. http://2ahawaii.com/index.php?topic=6462.msg62234;topicseen#new

Anyone know what that means?

interesting. i just checked my email and got a email about it being deferred.  it doesnt show me as being split. weird.
there is also an area where they list the hearings for the day.  its on a clipboard on every floor. list all the details about it.
ill be sure to double check it that morning.


THE SENATE
THE TWENTY-SEVENTH LEGISLATURE
REGULAR SESSION OF 2013

COMMITTEE ON HEALTH
Senator Josh Green, Chair
Senator Rosalyn H. Baker, Vice-Chair

MEASURES DEFERRED TO MONDAY, FEBRUARY 11, 2013

DATE: Monday, February 11, 2013

TIME:2:30 PM

PLACE:
Conference Room 229
State Capitol
415 South Beretania Street

DECISION MAKING ON THE FOLLOWING MEASURE(S):

SB932
RELATING TO MENTAL HEALTH.

Read through some of the testimony. I really wish that the citizens who submitted "support" votes had also submitted comments. None of them did.

Mental Health America of Hawaii I thought was particularly informative and it was nice to see. I didn't see ~any~ strong support anywhere.

I browsed through all the testimonies and they were in basic alphabetic order by first name and my testimony was not in there!  I have e-mail receipts for my testimony.

Here is the list: http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/session2013/Testimony/SB932_TESTIMONY_HTH-PSM_02-08-13.pdf

I wonder how many more were not acknowledged?

I did not see mine either, and I didn't use any template letter...  So is this how they roll now?   Im pissed!  and 2nd is a privilege?  WTF?  Is that on record?   

Marelne Uesugi got back to me and said I should contact Senetor Green's office about the missing testimonies. Not a very polite response. She must be getting a lot of complaints. LOL.

Thank you for all that could attend these hearings and reporting the goings on for us that cannot go!  Your help and support is much appreciated!!

someone did their homework

One minor correction.  It wasn't the Attorney General, but the Attorney General's designee / someone representing the Attorney General.  I confronted her about it, and she knew immediately what it was about--her saying it was a "privilege" to own a firearm.  I told her she was wrong, and that "owning firearms is a God-given right codified under the Second Amendment."  Her reply was a smiling, "...God-given?  Well, agree to disagree," and hurried back in the room.  I'm not sure whether she disagreed with it being a "right" or disagreeing as in "God."

One minor correction.  It wasn't the Attorney General, but the Attorney General's designee / someone representing the Attorney General.  I confronted her about it, and she knew immediately what it was about--her saying it was a "privilege" to own a firearm.  I told her she was wrong, and that "owning firearms is a God-given right codified under the Second Amendment."  Her reply was a smiling, "...God-given?  Well, agree to disagree," and hurried back in the room.  I'm not sure whether she disagreed with it being a "right" or disagreeing as in "God."

typical liberal.   They think they are above you,   they know whats best for us.    She was disagreeing on both a right and as in God.   

typical liberal.   They think they are above you,   they know whats best for us.    She was disagreeing on both a right and as in God.   

Haha, She never remembered giving us the right.... her and her buddies being gods and all.  [mumbles] freakin elitist scum... [/mumbles]

One minor correction.  It wasn't the Attorney General, but the Attorney General's designee / someone representing the Attorney General.  I confronted her about it, and she knew immediately what it was about--her saying it was a "privilege" to own a firearm.  I told her she was wrong, and that "owning firearms is a God-given right codified under the Second Amendment."  Her reply was a smiling, "...God-given?  Well, agree to disagree," and hurried back in the room.  I'm not sure whether she disagreed with it being a "right" or disagreeing as in "God."

thanks for the correction flyboy!!!

"god given" occurs nowhere in the Constitution. That's from the Declaration of Independence and has nothing to do with the Bill of Rights.

Not defending the idea that the 2nd is a privilege just noting that the "god-given" bit is not accurate and that Ms. Privilege isn't necessarily wrong on that specific point. Some of the founders did talk that way but that language, specifically, did not make it into the Constitution itself.

"god given" occurs nowhere in the Constitution. That's from the Declaration of Independence and has nothing to do with the Bill of Rights.

Not defending the idea that the 2nd is a privilege just noting that the "god-given" bit is not accurate and that Ms. Privilege isn't necessarily wrong on that specific point. Some of the founders did talk that way but that language, specifically, did not make it into the Constitution itself.

not to split hairs 


"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."

Law is all about splitting hairs. The Declaration has nothing to do with the law of the land. Neither do the written opinions of the Founding Fathers.

The only things that matter are the letter of the law and legal precedents as set by the courts. Understanding that is key to understanding why certain legal-ish arguments seem valid but are not.

Hey flyboy i saw your friend today, the lady from the AG office.  She actually told me hi.


The bill moved forward, with recommendations.


And i met some haole girl that explained to me how the process works.  If bills are not scheduled to be heard by this week or the next, it will go to the "sidelines" and not be heard this session.  If you want a bill to be pushed forward, contact your reps and committees.

Anyone find out why your testimony was not recorded??

Its getting referred to the JUD, WAM committees next, so i believe we will be able to submit testimony again.  Still sucks original testimony somehow got lost.


It also got passed with recommendation.
To create a group, composing of the DHS, consumers, NRA, HRA, Doctors, Psychologists, State hospital, firearm stores, to have a discussion and do more research on this. 

And as mentioned, there is another hearing scheduled tomorrow, tuesday!!!!

DATE:
Tuesday, February 12, 2013

TIME:
2:45 PM

PLACE:
Conference Room 224
State Capitol
415 South Beretania Street

And as mentioned, there is another hearing scheduled tomorrow, tuesday!!!!

DATE:
Tuesday, February 12, 2013

TIME:
2:45 PM

PLACE:
Conference Room 224
State Capitol
415 South Beretania Street

I'll see what I can do tomorrow.  You work tomorrow, right, BM?

sorry bro havent been able to get to a computer till now.  Yeah i had to work today.  Working tues- thurs.

Did you make it down today?