http://www.khon2.com/mostpopular/story/Police-Man-shot-after-threatening-officer-with/kfNOJLzLNkSCC1th-TrREg.cspx 
I hope what maafala says in his interview applys to everyone defending themselves.

What did he say? Only saw what stephanie lum did.

im picturing like a tent stake?


well, if the details provided are accurate, and he really did raise his weapon only a few feet from the officer, then yes, i think the shoot is justified. 


and i also hope the same would be afforded us in such a situation.

if it were a private person who shot the dude I'm sure they would make a huge deal and try to  convict them of murder (if he dies) or at least some sort of felony, and Im sure the officer will get off scott free, but the guy who was shot was a known for thefts and who knows what else so he had it coming. People who steal are the scum of the earth so good riddance. 

im picturing like a tent stake?


well, if the details provided are accurate, and he really did raise his weapon only a few feet from the officer, then yes, i think the shoot is justified. 


and i also hope the same would be afforded us in such a situation.

tent stake?  I was thinking about a beef steak...

What did he say? Only saw what stephanie lum did.

he said something along the lines that the perp raised a weapon and headed toward the officer and he felt that the officers life was in danger and the perps intentions was clear and fired in defense. And so thats what i meant that if anyone else is in that situation hope its viewed as justified as well even for us civilians.

he said something along the lines that the perp raised a weapon and headed toward the officer and he felt that the officers life was in danger and the perps intentions was clear and fired in defense. And so thats what i meant that if anyone else is in that situation hope its viewed as justified as well even for us civilians.

Oh same thing the news I watched said. It's interesting though, they shot the guy, but afterwards the mom or a female picked up the stake but she never got shot, she got arrested for terroristic threatining

 Just from the reports and comments here, it sounds like a good shoot.  Just wait till the relatives see a lawyer, though.

It almost sounds like a suicide-by-cop incident, though.  Just guessing, don't quote me as presenting a fact here.

Terry, 230RN

From what the media reported, I think it was justified. The residence had prior complaints of domestic disturbance and the suspect had prior convictions.

"The male immediately headed toward the officer's vehicle and threatened the officer. As the officer exited his vehicle, the male raised the stake overhead and was within a few feet of the officer, when the officer drew and fired his weapon," HPD Deputy Chief Dave Kajihiro said.

If this is accurate, then yes it's justified.

Bottom line! Dont come at an LEO with the intent to harm or threaten! Cause then the LEO will have no choice but to put them down, and just an FYI they dont shoot to wound! Their training is shoot to kill if you have to pull your sidearm! BOYS IN BLUE!

Yeah, sounds like self defense to me.  It's crazy how people say he should have tried to taze him. First off, the officer just rolled up and doesn't know shit about the suspect or what he could be on. Secondly, you get one shot with a taser, if the barbs don't stick or you miss, you're shit out of luck.  Then people say 5 shots is out of line. This cop just happens to be on target, and I'm thankful for it.  He easily could have missed with many of those shots. I hope the guy gets to suffer through prison with a colostomy bag.

Bottom line! Dont come at an LEO with the intent to harm or threaten! Cause then the LEO will have no choice but to put them down, and just an FYI they dont shoot to wound! Their training is shoot to kill if you have to pull your sidearm! BOYS IN BLUE!

The public doesn't realize that a guy coming at you with a sharp object has an advantage over you and your holstered gun. Time is not on your side unless the suspect is running a hundred feet away.

IMHO, good job HPD.   

IMHO, good job HPD.   

Yup, one less chronic on the streets of Kalihi

Tueller drill:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tueller_Drill

The Tueller Drill is a self-defense training exercise to prepare against a short-range knife attack when armed only with a holstered handgun.

Sergeant Dennis Tueller, of the Salt Lake City, Utah Police Department wondered how quickly an attacker with a knife could cover 21 feet (6.4 m), so he timed volunteers as they raced to stab the target. He determined that it could be done in 1.5 seconds. These results were first published as an article in SWAT magazine in 1983 and in a police training video by the same title, "How Close is Too Close?"[1]

Details in link.

Interview with Dennis Tueller.  Note Tueller says there's nothing magical about the "21 foot" rule, and prefers to call it the "reactionary gap," which can vary):



Graphic warning (also contains interview cited above):

http://www.themodernsurvivalist.com/archives/1779

Terry, 230RN

The public doesn't realize that a guy coming at you with a sharp object has an advantage over you and your holstered gun. Time is not on your side unless the suspect is running a hundred feet away.

Yup!  It was surprising to me how quickly an "average" person can close 20 feet and be on top of you. 

At a handgun course I took last year, they also mentioned that studies have shown that the average human is capable of approximately 20 seconds of aerobic activity even after hits to the upper thoracic or center of mass.  That unless you hit one of the switches, the attacker will still be very much a threat at even say 50 feet. 

The public should also know that not every officer carries a tazer. 

Bottom line! Dont come at an LEO with the intent to harm or threaten! Cause then the LEO will have no choice but to put them down, and just an FYI they dont shoot to wound! Their training is shoot to kill if you have to pull your sidearm! BOYS IN BLUE!

No they are not trained to "shoot to kill" but rather to shoot to stop the treat. Which is EXACTLY what other, non-LEO folks are taught....It may seem like a trivial play on words, but think of the consequences in court trying to defend you're actions if you  were ever involved in a self defense shooting.

"I shot to stop the threat" or "I shot to kill him." Which one do you think will serve you best in your self defense claim?

Odds of Hawaii prosecutor deciding not to prosecute a civilian shooter under the same circumstances?  I can see the PR statement now: 'This killing was clearly an overreaction by a trigger-happy yahoo who shot an unarmed man who had only a piece of wood in his hands and who wasn't even within striking distance when he was brutally gunned down with multiple shots from a high-capacity clip.'

Laughable double-standard is laughable.