About fucking time.

These clowns in the DHS work for us! That's our money they're spending, and I want to hear their explanations.

Its not very hard to explain, If you break it down to each individual employee who is required to carry a firearm or qualify with one, it is between 500-5000 rounds per employee and has to last for 4-5 years.  Depending on agency and job requirements it seems like a pretty safe number considering how much the tactical teams go through a month.  I know we shot no less than 3500 rounds a month between 15-20 team members at a minimum, 9mm alone.  Only a couple dozen MRAPs went to homeland security, the rest went to the USMC, piggybacked under the same contract.   

Its not very hard to explain, If you break it down to each individual employee who is required to carry a firearm or qualify with one, it is between 500-5000 rounds per employee and has to last for 4-5 years.  Depending on agency and job requirements it seems like a pretty safe number considering how much the tactical teams go through a month.  I know we shot no less than 3500 rounds a month between 15-20 team members at a minimum, 9mm alone.  Only a couple dozen MRAPs went to homeland security, the rest went to the USMC, piggybacked under the same contract.

No attitude here, just a question.  So you actually trained using HP rounds?  If you don't mind me asking which department under DHS?

No attitude here, just a question.  So you actually trained using HP rounds?  If you don't mind me asking which department under DHS?

CBP uses HP ammo to train.

I've trained with CBP personnel, I've seen it first hand.

CBP uses HP ammo to train.

I've trained with CBP personnel, I've seen it first hand.

Thanks, been wondering about that for awhile and up to now no one I talked to could confirm that for me.   

No attitude here, just a question.  So you actually trained using HP rounds?  If you don't mind me asking which department under DHS?

Im DOJ; but have trained with ball, JHP, frangible, and simunitions (probably the most expensive of them all.)

Im DOJ; but have trained with ball, JHP, frangible, and simunitions (probably the most expensive of them all.)

Thanks for the info, I appriciate it.  It's nice to get information from someone that isn't like "well, from what I heard". 

I heard about this through two articles:
The first was in the DenverPost.com on  Feb 15th 
http://www.denverpost.com/nationworld/ci_22594279/homeland-security-aims-buy-1-6-billion-rounds

This and other "stuff" lead to the Forbes article on March 11th:
 http://www.forbes.com/sites/ralphbenko/2013/03/11/1-6-billion-rounds-of-ammo-for-homeland-security-its-time-for-a-national-conversation/

Today I read another article which cites the two above.  This last article is a little reactionary for my style, but still interesting.  It is in the Personal Liberty Digest, published March 18th:
http://personalliberty.com/2013/03/18/is-government-readying-for-a-shooting-war-against-gun-owners/

These gave me some background to original film clip in this post, and also gave me insight into how these types of things can be perceived by folks like the Personal Liberty Digest author.

CBP uses HP ammo to train.

I've trained with CBP personnel, I've seen it first hand.

King Keoni doesn't jacket his hollow point, but he does play with ball.   

King Keoni doesn't jacket his hollow point, but he does play with ball.   

Both true statements