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OldFaithful

Something needs to be done about permitting and registration
« on: March 27, 2013, 01:40:40 PM »
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surfmaster

Re: Something needs to be done about permitting and registration
« Reply #1 on: March 27, 2013, 02:06:34 PM »
Anyone who has had to wait in the long lines that started since mid-December 2012 understands this frustration. It's simply an added hassle to the already burdensome process of acquiring a firearm for Oahu, and Hawaii, residents.

One positive change that HPD has done is to send an officer out from the service window to ask those in line who are just picking up permits. This is a smart, efficient way of reducing the lines.  :thumbsup: 

Based on the comments on this forum, here's a summary of some new things that HPD could implement to help alleviate the lines:

- Pass out permit applications and forms, and clipboards and pens, to at least the applicants inside the double glass doors.
- Give applicants the option to have their approved permits mailed to them. Applicant could check a box requesting this and provided a self-addressed stamped envelope during the initial visit.
- Institute a pull-a-number ticket system so people can leave the line and return when their number is called. 
- Create two lines: one for permit pickups and applications; the other for registration only
- Institute registration at all police stations on Oahu 

Please add to this list as you see fit.
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dirsh

Re: Something needs to be done about permitting and registration
« Reply #2 on: March 27, 2013, 02:12:34 PM »
we need to be heard. who are some politicians we can bother about this? Maybe a non-stop mail/email/call campaign from the 2A community?

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macsak

Re: Something needs to be done about permitting and registration
« Reply #3 on: March 27, 2013, 02:23:03 PM »
the mayor seems to be friendly to our cause, as he recently increased range hours
or i guess i should say restored range hours

i would think, however, that we should first have a "thank you" campaign for the range hours increase before we start making further demands to improve the registration process

Quote from: dirsh on March 27, 2013, 02:12:34 PM
we need to be heard. who are some politicians we can bother about this? Maybe a non-stop mail/email/call campaign from the 2A community?
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dirsh

Re: Something needs to be done about permitting and registration
« Reply #4 on: March 27, 2013, 02:42:14 PM »
good point. maybe a huge, highly publicized, thank you campaign demonstrating how many enthusiasts we have here will help convince the politicians to listen to us more
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OldFaithful

Re: Something needs to be done about permitting and registration
« Reply #5 on: March 27, 2013, 02:42:53 PM »
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OldFaithful

Re: Something needs to be done about permitting and registration
« Reply #6 on: March 27, 2013, 02:46:20 PM »
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Re: Something needs to be done about permitting and registration
« Reply #7 on: March 27, 2013, 03:25:59 PM »
Maybe keep gun registration at the main HPD firearms section and branch out to the Satellite City Halls the permit application & pickup process. 
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GZire

Re: Something needs to be done about permitting and registration
« Reply #8 on: March 27, 2013, 03:42:38 PM »
Quote from: OldFaithful on March 27, 2013, 01:40:40 PM
  I'm sure everyone feels that the lines at hpd and the waiting time involved is completely ridiculous.  With only limited time to pick up and register, it's very difficult to wait in line for hours and even take off from work just to do it.  We all know that hpd does not care and makes it as difficult and inconvenient as possible for law abiding citizens to exercise their rights and discourage gun ownership.  My question is what do you all feel should be done to address this, despite the fact hpd wont do anything.

Online pre-registration.  Pick and choose certain times to come in. Whatever can be done to get the ball rolling.  Most of that paperwork can be filled out before we even get there.
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BananaClip

Re: Something needs to be done about permitting and registration
« Reply #9 on: March 27, 2013, 04:55:59 PM »
Quote from: GZire on March 27, 2013, 03:42:38 PM
Online pre-registration.  Pick and choose certain times to come in. Whatever can be done to get the ball rolling.  Most of that paperwork can be filled out before we even get there.
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Heavies

Re: Something needs to be done about permitting and registration
« Reply #10 on: March 27, 2013, 05:04:49 PM »
One time permit to get fingerprints and background IN PERSON. Thereafter, Permits to aquire online. Pickup at HPD.  ABOLISH REGISTRATION as it does nothing to curb crime.  Any crimnals can be caught when they go to pick up their permits.

A full clean out of the state house and senate of all these anti gun legislators during the next election cycle.
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OldFaithful

Re: Something needs to be done about permitting and registration
« Reply #11 on: March 27, 2013, 05:24:46 PM »
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Re: Something needs to be done about permitting and registration
« Reply #12 on: March 27, 2013, 05:30:34 PM »
Quote from: Heavies on March 27, 2013, 05:04:49 PM
One time permit to get fingerprints and background IN PERSON. Thereafter, Permits to aquire online. Pickup at HPD.  ABOLISH REGISTRATION as it does nothing to curb crime.  Any crimnals can be caught when they go to pick up their permits.

A full clean out of the state house and senate of all these anti gun legislators during the next election cycle.
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surfmaster

Re: Something needs to be done about permitting and registration
« Reply #13 on: March 27, 2013, 05:34:44 PM »
Good points especially getting rid of registration.

Since registration isn't going away soon, why can't this process be combined with the purchase of a firearm? For example, when you go to a local gun store with your permit, you need to complete the federal form. Why not have the buyer complete HPD's registration information form at the store, which can hold a supply of these forms? Next, the gun store can then fax the completed form to HPD or the buyer can do it him/herself. The gun store needs to fax the firearms information to HPD anyway so adding another sheet (HPD's registration form) shouldn't take that much more time.

Once HPD receives the information, they can type out the registration and have it ready for the buyer, who needs to be at HPD within the 5 day window. The buyer can then go to HPD's window with the firearm for checking and an ID. Buyer would sign and get the registration. It would certainly save time for those in line.

Quote from: Heavies on March 27, 2013, 05:04:49 PM
One time permit to get fingerprints and background IN PERSON. Thereafter, Permits to aquire online. Pickup at HPD.  ABOLISH REGISTRATION as it does nothing to curb crime.  Any crimnals can be caught when they go to pick up their permits.

A full clean out of the state house and senate of all these anti gun legislators during the next election cycle.
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xer 21

Re: Something needs to be done about permitting and registration
« Reply #14 on: March 27, 2013, 05:38:15 PM »
some day, ALL of us need to make a concerted effort to abolish the registry.

that, and they should just mail your permits to you.  how hard would that be?  everything should be done online or through the mail aside from actually bringing the weapon in.


there, i just cut out two thirds of the line.
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Re: Something needs to be done about permitting and registration
« Reply #15 on: March 27, 2013, 05:40:28 PM »
Thinking back to when I purchased two handguns in Oklahoma City, I remember the process as:

1.  Choose the gun
2.  Pay for the gun
3.  Fill out the forms in the store
4.  Wait three days
5.  Pick up the gun and permit at the store
6.  Buy some ammo and targets
7.  Head to the range

There were no trips to the police station at all.  Background checks and firearm registrations were all done in the store.

Yeah, I could live with that here...
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digital808

Re: Something needs to be done about permitting and registration
« Reply #16 on: March 27, 2013, 05:58:52 PM »
I agree with all of you.  People say that HPD is making it difficult to curb the purchase of firearms.  But you know what....these are DIFFERENT TIMES!  The world has changed, the generarations has changed.  By making it difficult, HPD is just creating more work for themselves.  I usually see the same officers at the window....and after awhile, I would get sick and tired of doing the same thing over and over again for 8+ hours that i am there!

HPD.....just accept the FACT that people will continue to buy guns (more than ever).  Do yourself a favor, streamline things to make things more efficient!  The secret is to work smarter...NOT HARDER! 
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chucke25

Re: Something needs to be done about permitting and registration
« Reply #17 on: March 27, 2013, 05:59:16 PM »
I think online has to be the answer.  Finger printing and actual registration of firearms could still be done at HPD.  Permits submitted online and printed or mailed to us after 14 days.
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OldFaithful

Re: Something needs to be done about permitting and registration
« Reply #18 on: March 27, 2013, 06:14:28 PM »
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xer 21

Re: Something needs to be done about permitting and registration
« Reply #19 on: March 27, 2013, 06:20:40 PM »
Quote from: digital808 on March 27, 2013, 05:58:52 PM
I agree with all of you.  People say that HPD is making it difficult to curb the purchase of firearms.  But you know what....these are DIFFERENT TIMES!  The world has changed, the generarations has changed.  By making it difficult, HPD is just creating more work for themselves.  I usually see the same officers at the window....and after awhile, I would get sick and tired of doing the same thing over and over again for 8+ hours that i am there!

HPD.....just accept the FACT that people will continue to buy guns (more than ever).  Do yourself a favor, streamline things to make things more efficient!  The secret is to work smarter...NOT HARDER!
its not about doing more work or less work.  the police chief doesnt respect us or our rights to own firearms.  just look at his comments regarding the new pistols they're getting.  its contempt and nothing more.
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