Some general problems with HPD's filing - first it's stll manual (mostly).  They use carbon copies for PTA, Reg etc., which is why we don't print at home. We have some of the other forms, nothing says you can't print them.  I'm pretty sure we made them available some where after battling it out with HPD and having ACLU step in to compel production of documents.  I've also been threatened with arrest for "stealing government document" for trying to leave with PTA / CCW paperwork.


Chris

Why do we need registratiom at all!?

So they know where to go to confiscate of course

Some general problems with HPD's filing - first it's stll manual (mostly).  They use carbon copies for PTA, Reg etc., which is why we don't print at home. We have some of the other forms, nothing says you can't print them.  I'm pretty sure we made them available some where after battling it out with HPD and having ACLU step in to compel production of documents.  I've also been threatened with arrest for "stealing government document" for trying to leave with PTA / CCW paperwork.


Chris

Were you allegedly stealing the same government documents Ive heard they place in a box outside the door in Hilo for folks to fill out before getting in line for permits?

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If and when they implement whatever they plan to do it will be too late as the panic registration tapers off.  And when that does happen they'll take credit for the short line and call it a success.

hahah was gonna say almost the exact same thing 

I don't know, cause I don't have any firearms to register....but   Are the forms they give out in Hilo (If they do have them in a box on the door) the same carbon copy forms used here?  Or are these things specific by county?  If they are the same, I wonder what would happen if someone showed up at Hono w/ a permit app form already filled out? One legally acquired from Hilo?

It's silly in this day and age that the permit and registration-information forms cannot be PDFs that can be downloaded and printed from any Internet-enabled computer. It would allow applicants to fill them out before coming to the window, reducing the wait time.

HPD is probably concerned or unclear about how to add the control numbers to these forms. Why not have their IT department set up a spreadsheet (Excel) or database (Access) program that allows them to assign numbers as needed. This control number can then be written on the permit forms. 

A second control number assignment system can be created for the registration forms. Again, the registration-information forms should be posted online and people can download and complete them beforehand.

I wish HPD would move away from the old-fashioned carbon forms, which are too inflexible. 

maybe we could all start a write in program to the chief of police now that he has (kind of) openly admitted there could be some improvement to the registration process.  It seems like now is the time to put the pressure on.

I don't know, cause I don't have any firearms to register....but   Are the forms they give out in Hilo (If they do have them in a box on the door) the same carbon copy forms used here?  Or are these things specific by county?  If they are the same, I wonder what would happen if someone showed up at Hono w/ a permit app form already filled out? One legally acquired from Hilo?

the forms are not the same.  We had no issues retrieving the forms from Hawaii County police, Maui County Police.  We threatened litigation with Kauai and Honolulu if they failed to produce the papers.  Kauai took a little longer, but they folded once ACLU became involved.   Further, contrary to state law, where the forms should be "uniform throughout the state" and promulgated by the attorney general, no such forms exist at that level.

It's silly in this day and age that the permit and registration-information forms cannot be PDFs that can be downloaded and printed from any Internet-enabled computer. It would allow applicants to fill them out before coming to the window, reducing the wait time.

HPD is probably concerned or unclear about how to add the control numbers to these forms. Why not have their IT department set up a spreadsheet (Excel) or database (Access) program that allows them to assign numbers as needed. This control number can then be written on the permit forms. 

There's no difference between writing a control number on a blank form versus an already completed form that was either downloaded and neatly typed or picked up at the LGS or HPD.  They can easily do that now with no change in their current process.

and of course the story runs next to a pic of empty hallways.

Yes, the editorial may be HPD's attempt at, "damage control," and, yes, Deputy Chief Dave Kajihiro is typically the one who addresses the media and does press releases.

But, in my opinion, let's focus on the positives...

1.  HPD is acknowledging that there is a problem.

2.  HPD has publicly stated that they are trying to implement positive changes.

I think SB 69 (the one I sent testimony in opposition to!) might be the vehicle needed to appropriate funds to implement positive changes at HPD.

If the exact amount of funds has not yet been identified, it might be a bit premature for HPD to articulate what kind of positive changes (and within what kind of timeline) HPD is expecting to implement.

It's funny, but I keep reminding myself that I gotta look at the totality of the information and circumstances, because everything is inter-related...

Does HPD intentionally want to make it more difficult for individuals to register firearms, or could it be that individual firearm registrants and the HPD Firearms Registration Department are both falling victim to a "perfect storm" of 1) an explosion in the number of firearm registrations ; 2) outdated policies, practices, procedures, and legislation; 3) budgetary constraints at HPD; and 4) an absence of political will on the part of Hawaii's legislators?

Did SB 69 start out as a POS measure, but get "morphed" along the legislative process to potentially provide a benefit to individual firearm registrants?

Not sure if I have definite answers to either of these questions, but will keep posted for more information, and like bruddah Pizzo, I remain skeptically optimistic.

Just my $0.02 and keep your heads up, bruddahs!

Happy Aloha Friday!   

I wish I could be as optimistic as you, but I can't.  We'll see...........as they say, action speaks louder than words. 

This is a little bit of damage control on their part.  I would be shocked if they did anything that would actually reduce the waits.  I suggest you do what I did, write the mayor.

They should look into making internet registration and permitting a viable option. Waiting in line for over 2 hours sucks.

HPD pulled back some officers who used to be in the firearms section from their current assignments in order to help out with the backlog. I recognized one of 'em who had been transferred out more than a year ago and asked. what he was doing back at firearms.
 
But the wait can still be brutal.  A guy from work was happy  because he didn't spend more than an hour in line to apply for his long-gun permit in early March and to  pick it up two weeks later. But when he went to register his new long gun,  it took him four hours. No one came out to take care of folks just picking up their permits. And the two guys in line just ahead of him were registering multiple firearms each. My coworker's  registration didn't get typed until after theirs, of course.  Having the carbon registration forms manually  typed out at a snail's pace seems to be one of the bottlenecks.
 

You don't suppose they're getting a little sensitive about the word...<whisper> ...."infringed"?

I'm not signing this one sonobody will know who posted it.

So they know where to go to confiscate of course

That would be an awesome question for the "Upper Folk" to answer in front of the masses......

They should address the the problem by simply getting rid of registration.....

Again and Again....theyre not worried about criminals.....

Theyre worried about the people that follow the law.....

There's no CONTROL without CONTROL.....

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next time there is some sort of public opportunity (say, a new bill or something), someone needs to ask Kealoha straight up, how many cases the registry was used in?

I have a feeling Rick Allen could count the number on his left hand.