4/11/2013 Update from Sturmgewehre:



16 Senate Republicans voted with the Democrats to break a proposed filibuster and allow a full vote on Universal Background Checks, 2013 Assault Weapons Ban and the Magazine Ban (S.649). Here are the names of the Republicans Senators that betrayed us:

Kelly Ayotte (NH)
Richard Burr (NC)
Saxby Chambliss (GA)
Tom Coburn (OK
Susan Collins (ME)
Bob Corker (TN)
Jeff Flake (AZ)
Lindsey Graham (SC)
Dean Heller (NV)
John Hoeven (ND)
Johnny Isakson (GA)
Mark Kirk (IL),
John McCain (AZ)
Pat Toomey (PA)
Roger Wicker (MS)
Lamar Alexander (TN)

Contact them using this link: http://www.emailyoursenator.com/senators.html

And everyone said there is nothing to worry about.   

And everyone said there is nothing to worry about.   

well, it still has to pass the house.

but this is odd.

.

yeah
they need 60 to break the filibuster and force discussion/vote
will not pass house
but the senate filibuster could've halted it
all a senate vote is gonna do is put people on the record
there are blue senators in the mountain states that didn't want to have to vote, because that forces them to choose between voting the party line or going against their constituencies and face losing in the next elections

I love sturmgewehre! Wow I really expected a filibuster. So to clarify from someone who knows a bills process better, it heads to debate now and then to the house right? Supposed to take a couple of weeks no?  Or faster?

betrayed, by a politician?  say it ain't so...

betrayed, by a politician?  say it ain't so...

from what I'm reading, its less a betrayal and more the republicans seeing that 5 red/purple state dems are up for election next year.

They're thinking they just might snatch a republican majority.


At least I hope that's the ploy.

sounds possible
good trick if it works
last AWB ban led to the reds taking over

from what I'm reading, its less a betrayal and more the republicans seeing that 5 red/purple state dems are up for election next year.

They're thinking they just might snatch a republican majority.


At least I hope that's the ploy.

sounds possible
good trick if it works
last AWB ban led to the reds taking over

This time, we might just have our cake and eat it too.

i hope so
not counting on it
look what happened in the presidential election

This time, we might just have our cake and eat it too.

For another email about this... Here you go.  I hope you guys are right but we better contact our congressman and congresswoman just in case.

[edit] hmm I wonder if this email below is too late.

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Republican Senator Pat "Benedict" Toomey (R-PA) is doing Barack Obama and Harry Reid's bidding for gun control.

Late last night, Pat Toomey teamed up with Democrat Senator Joe Manchin (D-WV) to give the gun grabbers the “bipartisan compromise” they need to help RAM Barack Obama's anti-gun agenda into law.

According to inside sources, Pat Toomey's anti-gun bill has Chuck Schumer's fingerprints all over it.

Freman, the most important vote in the ENTIRE fight over gun control will take place tomorrow morning in the U.S. Senate when Harry Reid attempts to move gun control to the floor.

That's why it's critical you sign your Stand With Rand Filibuster Fax Petition IMMEDIATELY to urge your U.S. Senators to support Rand Paul's filibuster.

Our plan is to flood Senate offices with tens of thousands of faxes from pro-gun Americans demanding their Senators back the Rand Paul filibuster.

After you sign your Filibuster Fax Petition, please also take five minutes to call both your U.S. Senators and urge them to support Rand Paul's filibuster against Harry Reid's Motion to Proceed to bring gun control to the Senate floor.

Sen. Mazie Hirono: (202) 225-4906

Sen. Brian Schatz: (202) 224-3121

You see, the gun grabbers only need five Republicans to oppose Rand Paul in order to get the 60 votes required to break a filibuster.

Unfortunately, even before Pat Toomey's sellout, five Republicans had already hinted at their opposition to Rand Paul's filibuster.

So if you and I are going to stop Barack Obama's gun control agenda, it's going to take a massive uprising of grassroots gun owners all across the country.

So please sign your Stand With Rand Filibuster Fax Petition and call your U.S. Senators IMMEDIATELY.

http://paracom.paramountcommunication.com/ct/12233973:15206558461:m:1:435092388:CA10CEAAC0940EEE2AAFDEAE70283A99:r

The good news is, Harry Reid can't count on all Senate Democrats to oppose Rand Paul's filibuster.

In fact, a handful of Democrats who have to face the voters next election haven't yet made up their minds as to whether or not they will stand with Rand Paul or Pat Toomey.

So if enough Americans stand up and make their voices heard, you and I have a shot at winning this fight.

That's why it's vital you sign your Stand With Rand Filibuster Fax Petition and call your U.S. Senators right away.

http://paracom.paramountcommunication.com/ct/12233973:15206558461:m:1:435092388:CA10CEAAC0940EEE2AAFDEAE70283A99:r

Freman, you and I are up against the most dangerous threat to our Second Amendment freedoms in our lifetime.

And without your IMMEDIATE action, I'm afraid the statists will soon erase what remains of this fundamental constitutional protection.

You and I must flood the Senate with tens of thousands of faxes and phone calls in support of Rand Paul's filibuster.

So please, sign your Stand With Rand Filibuster Fax Petition IMMEDIATELY.

http://paracom.paramountcommunication.com/ct/12233973:15206558461:m:1:435092388:CA10CEAAC0940EEE2AAFDEAE70283A99:r

And take five minutes to call both of your U.S. Senators and insist they Stand With Rand!

There's not a moment to waste. Please take action NOW!

In Liberty,

John Tate
President

P.S. The Senate fight over our God-given right to keep and bear arms will go down tomorrow morning.

This fight is expected to be won or lost by just a few votes, so your IMMEDIATE action is critical.

Please, sign your Stand With Rand Filibuster Fax Petition IMMEDIATELY.

http://paracom.paramountcommunication.com/ct/12233973:15206558461:m:1:435092388:CA10CEAAC0940EEE2AAFDEAE70283A99:r

After you sign your Filibuster Fax Petition, please also take five minutes to call both your U.S. Senators and urge them to support Rand Paul's filibuster against Harry Reid's Motion to Proceed to bring gun control to the Senate floor.

Sen. Mazie Hirono: (202) 225-4906

Sen. Brian Schatz(202) 224-3121

Never let your guard down!

Obama is pushing hard.  Imagine if he spent time like this on the debt? It would be gone!

But hes not because its part of the socialist agenda!

After you sign your Filibuster Fax Petition, please also take five minutes to call both your U.S. Senators and urge them to support Rand Paul's filibuster against Harry Reid's Motion to Proceed to bring gun control to the Senate floor.

Sen. Mazie Hirono: (202) 225-4906

Sen. Brian Schatz: (202) 224-3121

OH YEAH.  THEY'LL LISTEN.


didnt hirono basically write an email to people here that said "i appreciate your concerns, but STFU because you're wrong, and we need to ban shit"?

or was that Gabbard?

OH YEAH.  THEY'LL LISTEN.


didnt hirono basically write an email to people here that said "i appreciate your concerns, but STFU because you're wrong, and we need to ban shit"?

or was that Gabbard?

That is a yes on Hirono and a yes on Gabbard. 

Every single one of those 16 traitors needs to be challenged hard in their next primary cycle. I'm very disappointed with Coburn, he's generally conservative, but this is unacceptable.

Do these fools realize that they're, in effect, voting on changing on of the key Bill of Rights statues WITHOUT a constitutional amendment?! How about one politician force them to vote on it as a constitutional amendment, and get the requisite 2/3 vote in both houses AND the 3/4 of the state's legislatures to sign off on it? This is democratic despotism.

Every single one of those 16 traitors needs to be challenged hard in their next primary cycle. I'm very disappointed with Coburn, he's generally conservative, but this is unacceptable.

Do these fools realize that they're, in effect, voting on changing on of the key Bill of Rights statues WITHOUT a constitutional amendment?! How about one politician force them to vote on it as a constitutional amendment, and get the requisite 2/3 vote in both houses AND the 3/4 of the state's legislatures to sign off on it? This is democratic despotism.

as i pointed out earlier, this may have nothing to do with actually trying to get the bill passed, and more about putting a few key democrats up for the next election on the hot seat.

it doesnt mean they're going to vote yes.  and it has virtually no chance of passing the house, so this may actually be a very calculated gamble at winning seats back in the senate.

I hope you guys are right but we better contact our congressman and congresswoman just in case.

I was thinking same as the others about key seats up for reelection too and being on record but I still don't trust the dems. If my memory serves me correctly, I believe the 1994 AWB was the result of some tricky back-door deals that ended up with the ban when the dust settled. Not saying it will happen again, I highly doubt we'll see a federal AWB, but I don't trust any of those slimy scumbags, whether at the federal or state level.

this may have nothing to do with actually trying to get the bill passed

It doesn't matter if this is about getting the Democrats on record so they have to defend their vote during the midterm elections next year. This up and down vote on the second amendment is in and of itself a disgrace. They're voting to amend the second amendment WITHOUT going through the amendment process. This EXCLUDES we the people from having our voices heard. To amend the constitution, congress needs 2/3 of the House and Senate AND 3/4 of the states to sign off on it. The 3/4 threshold is put in exactly to give us a voice at the state level.

As I said before: this is democratic despotism.

It doesn't matter if this is about getting the Democrats on record so they have to defend their vote during the midterm elections next year. This up and down vote on the second amendment is in and of itself a disgrace. They're voting to amend the second amendment WITHOUT going through the amendment process. This EXCLUDES we the people from having our voices heard. To amend the constitution, congress needs 2/3 of the House and Senate AND 3/4 of the states to sign off on it. The 3/4 threshold is put in exactly to give us a voice at the state level.

As I said before: this is democratic despotism.

if politicians played things on principle, there's a lot of shit that would never get done, good or bad.

welcome to the real world.

you know this still has to pass the house, right?  and that i doubt any of those republicans who are allowing the vote are actually going to vote FOR it.  it probably wont pass the senate either, its just going to make a few dem seat holders squirm next year.

I was thinking same as the others about key seats up for reelection too and being on record but I still don't trust the dems. If my memory serves me correctly, I believe the 1994 AWB was the result of some tricky back-door deals that ended up with the ban when the dust settled. Not saying it will happen again, I highly doubt we'll see a federal AWB, but I don't trust any of those slimy scumbags, whether at the federal or state level.

i feel a lot better knowing the numbers in the house are much more favorable, and no one needs to posture there on the republican side because they already own a fair majority.