SB69 Conference (Read 6710 times)

Tom

SB69 Conference
« on: April 18, 2013, 10:41:42 AM »
Hey,

Got this from the NRA:

http://www.nraila.org/legislation/state-legislation/2013/4/hawaii-bill-to-require-background-checks-on-already-owned-firearms-goes-to-conference-committee.aspx

Says that SB69 is headed back to a conference committee because the State Senate refuse to accept the houses changes.   Would someone who is more educated about how things work in the Hawaii legislature give some background and opinion about what this means and what could happen?

tom
Tom
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William Smith

Re: SB69 Conference
« Reply #1 on: April 18, 2013, 10:48:23 AM »
Tom.  This is a perfect question for the folks at the Public Access Room.  They will walk you through a meaningful answer.   See post http://2ahawaii.com/index.php?topic=5942.msg76626.msg#76626

William Smith

Re: SB69 Conference
« Reply #2 on: April 18, 2013, 11:34:52 AM »
Tom I just reread your original question and while the public access room can answer these questions for us, one of us would have to paraphrase their answer back into this thread for everyone to share that knowledge.

sikryd

Re: SB69 Conference
« Reply #3 on: April 18, 2013, 12:35:31 PM »
Email the following in opposition to SB 69:
senespero@capitol.hawaii.gov, sendige@capitol.hawaii.gov, sengreen@capitol.hawaii.gov, senkahele@capitol.hawaii.gov, senkouchi@capitol.hawaii.gov, repaquino@capitol.hawaii.gov, reping@capitol.hawaii.gov, reprhoads@capitol.hawaii.gov, repichiyama@capitol.hawaii.gov, repthielen@capitol.hawaii.gov,



My email to them:

As an American citizen who appreciates and loves our Constitutional rights, I'm urging you to champion the Second Amendment rights of citizens in your state by opposing any and all legislation regarding SB69. The Second Amendment expressly states: "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

These unconstitutional laws do nothing but take away the rights of the law abiding citizens.  If you honestly believe that criminals will care about these or any other laws, then you do not belong representing we the people. 

My patriotic, law abiding, firearm owning family, friends and I will be watching your votes carefully.  Any votes against your constituents, will be met with votes against you on your upcoming elections. Honor your Oath of Office and protect our Constitution of The United States of America, or you will be voted out of office through the election process.

God Bless Patriots and The United States of America!

Sincerely,
Mr and Mrs xxxxxxx

macsak

Re: SB69 Conference
« Reply #4 on: April 18, 2013, 12:49:45 PM »
great letter
too bad they don't care about the people
they do care about keeping their jobs, so perhaps they may think twice
but i doubt it

Email the following in opposition to SB 69:
senespero@capitol.hawaii.gov, sendige@capitol.hawaii.gov, sengreen@capitol.hawaii.gov, senkahele@capitol.hawaii.gov, senkouchi@capitol.hawaii.gov, repaquino@capitol.hawaii.gov, reping@capitol.hawaii.gov, reprhoads@capitol.hawaii.gov, repichiyama@capitol.hawaii.gov, repthielen@capitol.hawaii.gov,



My email to them:

As an American citizen who appreciates and loves our Constitutional rights, I'm urging you to champion the Second Amendment rights of citizens in your state by opposing any and all legislation regarding SB69. The Second Amendment expressly states: "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

These unconstitutional laws do nothing but take away the rights of the law abiding citizens.  If you honestly believe that criminals will care about these or any other laws, then you do not belong representing we the people. 

My patriotic, law abiding, firearm owning family, friends and I will be watching your votes carefully.  Any votes against your constituents, will be met with votes against you on your upcoming elections. Honor your Oath of Office and protect our Constitution of The United States of America, or you will be voted out of office through the election process.

God Bless Patriots and The United States of America!

Sincerely,
Mr and Mrs xxxxxxx

sikryd

Re: SB69 Conference
« Reply #5 on: April 18, 2013, 12:59:17 PM »
great letter
too bad they don't care about the people
they do care about keeping their jobs, so perhaps they may think twice
but i doubt it

I agree, but that wont stop me from telling them what I think.

macsak

Re: SB69 Conference
« Reply #6 on: April 18, 2013, 01:05:32 PM »
don't get me wrong,
i'm not saying you shouldn't do it
and who knows, it may at least make them stop and think a bit
mad props to you, sikryd

I agree, but that wont stop me from telling them what I think.

BUD

Re: SB69 Conference
« Reply #7 on: April 18, 2013, 01:52:27 PM »
I wrote too.  Everyone should write.  right or wrong, passed or failed, let them know how you feel.   :shaka:
It is what it is.

bass monkey

Re: SB69 Conference
« Reply #8 on: April 18, 2013, 02:26:12 PM »
See you guys there tomorrow!!!

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Re: SB69 Conference
« Reply #9 on: April 18, 2013, 03:19:19 PM »
I sent mine.

Tom

Re: SB69 Conference
« Reply #10 on: April 18, 2013, 03:27:06 PM »
I guess the question I was hinting at is: Can they modify the bill in the conference committee and replace the contents with something more onerous without public input?
Tom
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William Smith

Re: SB69 Conference
« Reply #11 on: April 18, 2013, 03:42:01 PM »
Here's a nice little summary of conference.  http://hawaii.gov/lrb/par/pub/confcoms.pdf

The link from the bottom of this summary (linked above) is more informative for what can and may "go on" during these conferences. 
http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/session2013/docs/2013JointConferenceProcedures.pdf

bass monkey

Re: SB69 Conference
« Reply #12 on: April 18, 2013, 04:12:54 PM »
I guess the question I was hinting at is: Can they modify the bill in the conference committee and replace the contents with something more onerous without public input?


Yes they could nearly do whatever they want.

macsak

Re: SB69 Conference
« Reply #13 on: April 18, 2013, 04:30:51 PM »
yup
anything goes


Yes they could nearly do whatever they want.

BUD

Re: SB69 Conference
« Reply #14 on: April 18, 2013, 04:33:07 PM »
I guess the question I was hinting at is: Can they modify the bill in the conference committee and replace the contents with something more onerous without public input?


It started as a buyback bill now it is a registration bill, I guess we wait and see what it becomes next.
It is what it is.

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Re: SB69 Conference
« Reply #15 on: April 18, 2013, 05:55:21 PM »
another bunch of lies in testimony in favor of this bill. And a slap in the face from the HRA.
Rep. Cynthia Thielen
   
3:29 PM (2 hours ago)
      
to me

Thank you very much for your email regarding Senate Bill 69 (Relating to Firearms).  This bill has been amended numerous times throughout this session, so I wanted to start off by summarizing the current version of the bill:

 

- Requires persons arriving in the state of Hawaii with firearms to undergo a     background check using the National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICBCS) and get fingerprinted and photographed before registering the firearm with the county police department

- Extends the time period for registering the firearm for the abovementioned persons from 3 to 5 days

- Waives the photograph/fingerprinting requirement for individuals who already have photographs and fingerprints on file with the police department (i.e. a resident who has already undergone a background check for previous firearms registration)

- Authorizes the police departments to assess a fee for conducting a fingerprint check and specifies the amount of the fee (which is equal to the amount the FBI charges the police department to conduct the fingerprinting/background check)

 

I have received numerous testimonials regarding this bill, with a majority in opposition.  Much of the opposition testimony includes similar concerns:

- Hawaii already has some of the most onerous gun laws in the country.  Why do we need more restrictions?

- This law will not actually prevent any criminals or mentally-ill individuals from gaining access to firearms.

- Criminals do not register their firearms anyway

- This law will place further costs and burdens upon our already over-burdened police staff.

- This law is one further erosion to our Second Amendment right to bear arms.

 

I understand that this issue is a particularly sensitive issue for many people, myself included.  I strongly believe in and support the Bill of Rights and the Second Amendment.

 

That being said, I have received some very persuasive testimony by the Hawaii Rifle Association, which is the Hawaii state affiliate of the National Rifle Association, in support of this bill.  The Hawaii Rifle Association brought up the following salient points in their testimony:

 

“HRA supports background checks because criminals try to register firearms.”

 

“The Hawaii State Attorney General’s annual report on firearms. . . shows that for 2012, 227 permits (1%) were denied for cause state-wide.  Over half (127) of the denials were because applicants had prior criminal convictions and another 25 were due to pending criminal charges. . . .”

 

“People with significant criminal records were denied.  Although it is a class C felony to lie on the signed affidavit about criminal or mental health background, 157 of the denied applicants did so, yet few arrests are made.  We respectfully suggest the Committee Report ask the County Prosecutors to examine why these individuals are not prosecuted.”  (Underscores in original).

 

“Of the 50,394 firearms registered last year, nearly half, 23,548 (47%), not counting licensed dealer imports, were brought in from out of state.”  (Underscores in original).

 

I understand that Hawaii has some of the strictest gun-control laws on the books.  I also understand why many people are opposed to making the gun-registration process in Hawaii more difficult than it seemingly already is.  Still, our State has enacted these laws by its duly elected Legislature.  The philosophical debate about whether our current system of background checks for residents is too imposing is not what this bill is about.  As I see it, there is currently a loophole in our firearms laws that allows some people to circumvent the required checks.  This bill closes that loophole.

 

I was initially opposed to this bill until I was assured that Hawaii residents who have already undergone background checks for their personal firearms registry (as is required by Hawaii law) would not have to undergo an additional background check when bringing firearms into the state from somewhere else.

 

I was also initially opposed to this bill because I thought it would be both a) a waste of taxpayer resources and b) a waste of time, because most people who come to Hawaii with firearms are here to hunt or use the guns recreationally.  But when I learned from testimony that nearly half of firearms registered annually are brought in from out of state, I was shocked.  If 47% of firearms coming into our state can avoid background checks for the owners, there is a serious loophole in our current law that needs to be patched.

 

Aloha,

 

 

Cynthia

 

Representative Cynthia Thielen

Assistant Minority Leader

50th Representative District (Kailua – Kaneohe Bay)

Phone: (808) 586-6480

Fax: (808) 586-6481

repthielen@capitol.hawaii.gov

www.cynthiathielen.com

 

bass monkey

Re: SB69 Conference
« Reply #16 on: April 18, 2013, 06:00:24 PM »
i shouldnt have read your post dennis