I can totally shoot Sub-MOA.

its the second shot that screws it all up

 

I think it was Jack O'Connor who said he was only interested in the one-shot group.

Shoot enough and sooner or later you'll get that sub 1" group to brag about. "Accuracy" depends on how soon that occurs..............

Wait...........one hole group or 1 shot group?

^  One shot. 

Just a hunter's way of looking at it:  Minute of Mule Deer or Bighorn Sheep or Cape Buffalo vitals.

I guess I should have explained that, maybe.  He was a prolific gun, hunting,
and fishing writer. 

Was real big on the .270 Winchester caliber.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_O'Connor_(American_writer)

sub MOA? really? perhaps in an ideal environment ie. ON BENCH, with a bi-pod, no distractions, stationary target, and a scope that can see an ants ass.  not saying it cant be done on iron sights.  but under any ideal conditions  properly applied fundamentals and a properly sighted weapon can nail "sub MOA" all day long. 

i guess my point is I dont understand why some people feel they need to live out a bench sniper fantasy.  to me I'd rather be accurate when it matters under the worst conditions possible ie. being shot at, moving target, running and gunning, and no stable platform to apply all the fundamentals of shooting.   

 

just my two Lincolns

sub MOA? really? perhaps in an ideal environment ie. ON BENCH, with a bi-pod, no distractions, stationary target, and a scope that can see an ants ass.  not saying it cant be done on iron sights.  but under any ideal conditions  properly applied fundamentals and a properly sighted weapon can nail "sub MOA" all day long. 

i guess my point is I dont understand why some people feel they need to live out a bench sniper fantasy.  to me I'd rather be accurate when it matters under the worst conditions possible ie. being shot at, moving target, running and gunning, and no stable platform to apply all the fundamentals of shooting.   

 
just my two Lincolns

Well, from how I read your post you are talking about two different styles of shooting correct?  Are you not considering recreation and/or competitive shooting?  I enjoy the capability of taking long distance shots and shooting while on the move.  I would love to know where you train to be accurate at "running and gunning" with a long gun in hawaii.  For me, there's only so many military courses that one can take.  I still haven't found anyplace that one can do it locally with.  I've been very tempted to attend classes on the mainland...

The question posed was about accuracy of the rifle, not the performance of the shooter under various shooting scenarios.  A certain amount of mechanical accuracy from the rifle combined with the correct ammo choice is a very critical combination to many who use the weapon for professional uses.  I know for a precision scoped rifle, I definitely have a standard that I would require of myself, my ammunition and my rifle to be able to perform under a variety of conditions.  Therefore I opt for 5 round groups spread out over various days.  They must include cold bore or cold shooter groups only.  I would want to track up to 15-20 groups and ONLY take an AVERAGE of those group sizes to come up with a number.  Not the super wonderful one hole group out of those 15 -20 groups and claim it.  Too many people are far too forgiving when relating their shooting ability and / or their rifles accuracy when it comes to precision.

Now if you are talking pure mechanical accuracy of an action or the rifle, it would need to be placed in a device that minimizes or mostly eliminates negative influence on the weapon and / or the human factor.  But ammo selection and conditions can be a big influence. 

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Just fired my first Mosin ever that I bought off of Gun Broker.  Mosin Nagant 91/30 1936 Tula Hex.  Fired about 20 rounds to get used to it (and to make sure it even worked!).  Once I figured out it was shooting high, as I've been told is common for this gun, I repaired my sight-in target and here's the result of a single, 5-round "group" at 50 yards. I also rang the steel plate at 245 yards a few times, too!  Ammo used was Bulgarian 1970's era surplus 7.62x54R from OGC -- the 440 rnd SPAM Can.  I'm thinking this rifle might be a keeper!     

Well, from how I read your post you are talking about two different styles of shooting correct?  Are you not considering recreation and/or competitive shooting?  I enjoy the capability of taking long distance shots and shooting while on the move.  I would love to know where you train to be accurate at "running and gunning" with a long gun in hawaii.  For me, there's only so many military courses that one can take.  I still haven't found anyplace that one can do it locally with.  I've been very tempted to attend classes on the mainland...

Difficult to find a place like that in Hawaii, but you can improvise.  You can do this with an airsoft rifle in your backyard.  Or at Koko Head, leave your rifle on the line and do a couple laps in the parking lot then try firing a sub MOA group.  If you can, then you da man.

Just fired my first Mosin ever that I bought off of Gun Broker.  Mosin Nagant 91/30 1936 Tula Hex.  Fired about 20 rounds to get used to it (and to make sure it even worked!).  Once I figured out it was shooting high, as I've been told is common for this gun, I repaired my sight-in target and here's the result of a single, 5-round "group" at 50 yards. I also rang the steel plate at 245 yards a few times, too!  Ammo used was Bulgarian 1970's era surplus 7.62x54R from OGC -- the 440 rnd SPAM Can.  I'm thinking this rifle might be a keeper!     

Glad to hear that.  Did you fix the bayonet?  I'm told that the sights were factory-regulated with the bayonet on.  How was the recoil and (without me looking it up), what was the weight of the bullet?  I found that the 180 gr bullets (Winchester white box) set me back a step on launching. 

I also found that single-loading cartridges was difficult.  The extractor does not ride over the rim easily and the bolt is very difficult to close.  There's a fix for this which invvolves a tiny bit of dremel tool grinding, but I'm real hesitant to cut any metal at all.

Also, no pic in your post.

Terry, 230RN