80% lowers (Read 22398 times)

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Re: 80% lowers
« Reply #20 on: April 28, 2013, 09:41:19 PM »
Speedtek. Lmk how THAT goes. Haha

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Re: 80% lowers
« Reply #22 on: April 28, 2013, 09:43:32 PM »
Then i better cancel my manufacturing license.

Please do.
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Re: 80% lowers
« Reply #23 on: April 28, 2013, 09:44:17 PM »
Sorry bk I'm not sure. I jus thought once it was functional u were required to register it. Thanks for the info.

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Re: 80% lowers
« Reply #24 on: April 28, 2013, 09:48:13 PM »
Read the hawaii hrs carefully.  If you build a 80% and complete it you must have a valid long gun permit.   And you must register it 5 days after you complete it.

State rules trumps federal rules on this.  Call the local atf and ask for Aldo. Or you can call HPD and ask for Suzie. 
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Re: 80% lowers
« Reply #25 on: April 28, 2013, 09:50:11 PM »
Read the hawaii hrs carefully.  If you build a 80% and complete it you must have a valid long gun permit.   And you must register it 5 days after you complete it.

State rules trumps federal rules on this.  Call the local atf and ask for Aldo. Or you can call HPD and ask for Suzie.

what do I do about the serial number? Do I just put 0001? lol
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Re: 80% lowers
« Reply #26 on: April 28, 2013, 09:52:16 PM »
I think u put whatever u like. 001 is cool though
I think u can put letters too
« Last Edit: April 28, 2013, 10:01:25 PM by TeamMidori »

macsak

Re: 80% lowers
« Reply #27 on: April 28, 2013, 09:59:50 PM »
007

or

8675309

I think u put whatever u like. 001 is cool though.

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Re: 80% lowers
« Reply #28 on: April 28, 2013, 10:00:48 PM »
What's the 867...

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Re: 80% lowers
« Reply #29 on: April 28, 2013, 10:02:14 PM »
Not sure about that article. As far as I knew, any legal firearm in the state of Hawaii has to be registered.

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Re: 80% lowers
« Reply #30 on: April 28, 2013, 10:06:46 PM »
Read the hawaii hrs carefully.  If you build a 80% and complete it you must have a valid long gun permit.   And you must register it 5 days after you complete it.

State rules trumps federal rules on this.  Call the local atf and ask for Aldo. Or you can call HPD and ask for Suzie.

I browsed through hrs chapter 134 and found nothing on the topic. Nothing that said you could and nothing that said you couldn't

It says "Every person who acquires a firearm pursuant to section 134-2 shall register the firearm in the manner prescribed by this section within five days of acquisition. "

ac·quire  [uh-kwahyuhr]  Show IPA
verb (used with object), ac·quired, ac·quir·ing.
1.
to come into possession or ownership of; get as one's own: to acquire property.

I didnt come into possession of it. I made it from a block of aluminum

Sounds like a loophole to me.
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Re: 80% lowers
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TeamMidori

Re: 80% lowers
« Reply #32 on: April 28, 2013, 10:32:07 PM »
Maybe not... but I feel it

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Re: 80% lowers
« Reply #33 on: April 29, 2013, 06:50:14 AM »
867-5309. Enjoy. Happy Aloha Monday!

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Re: 80% lowers
« Reply #34 on: April 29, 2013, 06:52:55 AM »
Thanks bro. Good to finally meet u.

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Re: 80% lowers
« Reply #35 on: April 29, 2013, 07:32:10 AM »
I browsed through hrs chapter 134 and found nothing on the topic. Nothing that said you could and nothing that said you couldn't

It says "Every person who acquires a firearm pursuant to section 134-2 shall register the firearm in the manner prescribed by this section within five days of acquisition. "

ac·quire  [uh-kwahyuhr]  Show IPA
verb (used with object), ac·quired, ac·quir·ing.
1.
to come into possession or ownership of; get as one's own: to acquire property.

I didnt come into possession of it. I made it from a block of aluminum

Sounds like a loophole to me.

It may sound like a loophole, but I assure you, it's not. Even if you do make it, you are transforming a block of aluminum into a firearm, coming into posession of a firearm.
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Re: 80% lowers
« Reply #36 on: April 29, 2013, 03:29:08 PM »
Bottom line is by Hi state law Yes it does have to be registered. Also by Hi law seatbelts are required to be worn when operating a motor vehicle, a hands free device must be used when talking on a cell phone while operating a motor vehicle, etc etc... How many people actually follow these laws and others is a big question mark, but it is the law. Up to the individual if they wish to obey the laws, and in the judicial system ignorance of the law is no excuse

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Re: 80% lowers
« Reply #37 on: January 15, 2016, 02:57:46 AM »
Back from the Dead,
the info contained in this topic is inaccurate.

Please see the following HRS


134-3  Registration, mandatory, exceptions. (a)  Every person arriving in the State who brings or by any other manner causes to be brought into the State a firearm of any description, whether usable or unusable, serviceable or unserviceable, modern or antique, shall register the firearm within three days after arrival of the person or of the firearm, whichever arrives later, with the chief of police of the county..........................



The phrase "brought into the State"  could be argued  as manufacture under a DA or jury members.

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Re: 80% lowers
« Reply #38 on: January 15, 2016, 09:20:37 AM »
Back from the Dead,
the info contained in this topic is inaccurate.

Please see the following HRS


134-3  Registration, mandatory, exceptions. (a)  Every person arriving in the State who brings or by any other manner causes to be brought into the State a firearm of any description, whether usable or unusable, serviceable or unserviceable, modern or antique, shall register the firearm within three days after arrival of the person or of the firearm, whichever arrives later, with the chief of police of the county..........................



The phrase "brought into the State"  could be argued  as manufacture under a DA or jury members.

Might not change what your point is about, but that quote looks old.  The current HRS 134-3 says five days, not three.  Last year, didn't they pass a law requiring visitors to go through the fingerprint/background check process to register their guns they travel with, thus they extended the time to register to five days?

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     §134-3  Registration, mandatory, exceptions.  (a)  Every person arriving in the State who brings or by any other manner causes to be brought into the State a firearm of any description, whether usable or unusable, serviceable or unserviceable, modern or antique, shall register the firearm within five days after arrival of the person or of the firearm, whichever arrives later, with the chief of police of the county of the person's place of business or, if there is no place of business, the person's residence or, if there is neither a place of business nor residence, the person's place of sojourn.  A nonresident alien may bring firearms not otherwise prohibited by law into the State for a continuous period not to exceed ninety days; provided that the person meets the registration requirement of this section and the person possesses:

http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/hrscurrent/Vol02_Ch0046-0115/HRS0134/HRS_0134-0003.htm

Like I said, this might be irrelevant to your question, but I wanted to give you a heads up, that might be an outdated HRS you pulled from.   :shaka:
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Re: 80% lowers
« Reply #39 on: January 15, 2016, 01:30:06 PM »
I believe a H2A member told me that the moment you start machining, it is considered a firearm.  This seems a bit extreme, be nice if you could do much of the work, but leave one last trigger group hole for later before registering and still be legal.  After all, you cannot fire it like that.

Just to see if you can successfully do the work with whatever tools you have on hand.