Sun Tzu, know your enemy, 1,ooo battle, 1,ooo victories.

Probaly reading our play book.

NEVER underestimate the opposition.  they have lawyer(s) on their payroll........

Sun Tzu, know your enemy, 1,ooo battle, 1,ooo victories.

Probaly reading our play book.

NEVER underestimate the opposition.  they have lawyer(s) on their payroll........

The play book is not published =p. 

Alex- They have always been nice, I told you guys this =). 

I haven't tried this but I did a little searching for an online passport photo generator and found idphoto4you. I am not too sure of the photo requirements but this should let you print your own passport photos. I'm sorry if I'm wrong about that though.

The pig is on the burner..looking forward to seeing some of you over tonight for the 2a meeting.

No applications on the table at HPD today.  No HRA newsletters either.  Don't know if they ran out or...

Turned in my concealed carry application today! I have faith that Hawaii is Constitutional and therefore will follow their legal obligations, and I'm heartily awaiting my acceptance reply! 

No comments from them Dregs?

Absolutely no comment or anything of significance to report captain.

Alright everyone; we're at the 1 month mark. Time to check in.

For myself, I have still not heard back about my application; Friday will be 4 weeks from when I submitted it. I will call again on Thursday, and if they don't have an answer for me, then I will start working my way up the chain until I find someone who does have the answers. On Wednesday, I passed out flyers on one of the bases on the island, I attended the meeting on Friday (awesome time), handed out flyers at a different base on Saturday, and wore my HawaiiCCW shirt to the MPPL pistol match on Sunday (BTW, Chris I managed to get a couple quasi-pre-orders  ).

The following active forum members have either not applied (or informed us that they applied) or given a timeline as to when they will be applying:

- TomG
- Heavies
- Antithesis
- Jaydawg (maybe?)
- tonsofguns
- OldGuy
- bushmasta
- Redtail
- stegosaurus
- 808shooter
- Deeeeviant

Some people aren't going to be happy with this list, and here is my response: if you don't like the FACTS, then change them. If there is some reason why you do not feel comfortable applying, then share it with the group; maybe someone else has the same concern as well. Lastly, I want to say that I'm not judging anyone who hasn't applied, so please don't take this personally. However, after my Week 3 SITREP, I at least expected a couple more people to share their thoughts and actions. All I am asking is for this forum's membership to call a spade a spade and be honest with the group. Even if you haven't/don't intend to submit an application, what else have you done to bolster the cause? Have you handed out flyers to coworkers, friends, or at Koko Head? What do you plan to do this week?

- Alex

All I am asking is for this forum's membership to call a spade a spade and be honest with the group. Even if you haven't/don't intend to submit an application, what else have you done to bolster the cause? Have you handed out flyers to coworkers, friends, or at Koko Head? What do you plan to do this week?

What I plan to do this week is my job.  What I plan to do next week is go on vacation.  I'm sorry of the years of service I've been putting in aren't enough for you.  When am I going to go apply?  When it's convenient to me, not to you. 

Congratulations.  You have found a successful way to piss me off.

AE, FT - Will notify you all when I get a reply from the HPD, and I turely appreciate your efforts to get the ball rolling!

Thank You Guys for lighting a fire under my ass!

V/R

sk

Alex,

I am glad that you and Funtimes have started something that may enable the citizens of Hawaii to protect themselves.  Your efforts and enthuisasm are much appreciated.  However,  Please do not be pushy about the subject.

Am I happy about the laws and restrictions that Hawaii imposes on us?      NO

Do I do what I can for the cause?                                                       YES

Do I have to justify when, where, or why I have done this or done that?    NO

If you want people to go ahead with your plans to advance the cause of 2A rights, it helps not to insult them. 
I have to agree with Tom.

When it's convenient to me, not to you.

 

Alex,

I am glad that you and Funtimes have started something that may enable the citizens of Hawaii to protect themselves.  Your efforts and enthuisasm are much appreciated.  However,  Please do not be pushy about the subject.

Am I happy about the laws and restrictions that Hawaii imposes on us?      NO

Do I do what I can for the cause?                                                       YES

Do I have to justify when, where, or why I have done this or done that?    NO

If you want people to go ahead with your plans to advance the cause of 2A rights, it helps not to insult them. 
I have to agree with Tom.

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When it's convenient to me, not to you.

 

  It is discouraging when the only portions of the forum, one of the main places for 2A in Hawaii are supporting. People support in different ways, and Tom - I'm sorry you have been irritated.. I appreciate what you did for us.  Many flyers have been passed out because of you. 
I work really damn hard at this, and so do some other people.  I can't imagine very many people being half as busy as I am.  We just like to know who's doing what so we aren't double or mixing efforts.

The goal was to get as many people in and applied that we can. If you can't do it, that's fine. If you can do it, that's fine too.  I'm a no bullshit type of person and tell it straight. Right now, applications are somewhat time sensitive.

People also must understand us young people are a little more direct and to the point, and like to see support in return for the efforts they make.  Alex is busting his ass to help me and just want's others to help in. There is lots to do, and I really mean lots.  I'm putting  in a good 20-30 hours of this a week easy.

  If you aren't interested then don't worry about this thread.  If your helping us already.. a big thank you from me to you.   If your not helping in any form well, thanks for being on the other side!  It doesn't take much to help at all really, talking to your friends at work, striking up a conversation with old buddies or family about the second amendment, printing out a few flyers passing them out, downloading and submitting a 2 hour application for a conceal carry permit, editorials, video, SEO, photos are all things we can use help with.

 

What I plan to do this week is my job.  What I plan to do next week is go on vacation.  I'm sorry of the years of service I've been putting in aren't enough for you.  When am I going to go apply?  When it's convenient to me, not to you. 

Congratulations.  You have found a successful way to piss me off.

Tom,

    As I said in my post, it wasn't personal in any way. I'm not sure if it made you even more upset that your name was at the top of the list, but if so, it was simply because you have the 2nd highest post count other than 2aH himself and I simply went in order from the top. I am sorry that you were offended, that truly was not my intention. My intention was merely to try to understand why the people who have been fighting for this the longest haven't been more vocal about the issue. To me, it seems like everything that you have been fighting for for years is coming to a head RIGHT NOW, yet at times I feel like we are swimming against the current even amongst our own ranks. Each week, I've posted asking for updates as to what others from this forum are doing to help us out, and continued to receive nothing but silence. I find it particularly frustrating that the individuals with the most experience and knowledge within Hawaii's pro-gun arena appear to have zero interest in passing on that knowledge or expertise to those of us who are simply flying by the seats of our pants and doing the best job that we can. Do your numerous years of fighting for gun rights count? Absolutely! What can we do to tap into that wealth of information? However, myself and others are having a difficult time wrapping our minds around the possible reason(s) that yourself and others appear to be disinterested in doing something extremely easy, yet extremely IMPORTANT, when the time has come for Hawaii's citizens to fight for the BIGGEST issue related to 2A rights.

- Alex

They were busy. They had jobs, families, and a life outside their beliefs. They  would have been put to death for even mentioning what they believed in.


It wasn’t convenient to them….it was necessary.

Alex and FunT - I am so glad you are here!  Maybe you both need to be in the HRA as board members to get things going!  does anyone second that?  I would love to nominate you both for a leader ship position in the HRA if I had my way.  Tell you the truth, I have been bogged down by some of the folks who have been fighting for Hawaii Gun rights since being here.  Chris inspired me to get the CCW last Sunday.  He is real and working his a$$ off.  In fact, when I have the chance to shoot at some of the matches he is there.  Measurement of Performance (MOP) I would like to say.  I honestly do not know what the folks at the HRA are doing, but it must be something, but what is it?  Alex, once stated that the HRA does a FUNSHOOT, COWBOY SHOOT, and some other time honored events.  Hell most of the folks are volunteers and we appreciate it but I too have not seen anything from the organization WRT protecting H2A.  I'll probably get blasted for this but you know what.....AE and FT are out there and they are making a difference IMHO.  Some folks need to grow some thicker skin and stop making excuses.  They want results pure and simple.

You guys have my support!

If I am denied I'll apply again.

Damm...the worst thing they can say is no. 

Oh by the way, the folks a the HPD know about the site so what do you have to loose.  I overheard some of the guys behind the firearms window talking about the site a while back.


SK

Alex and FunT - I am so glad you are here!  Maybe you both need to be in the HRA as board members to get things going!  does anyone second that?  I would love to nominate you both for a leader ship position in the HRA if I had my way.  Tell you the truth, I have been bogged down by some of the folks who have been fighting for Hawaii Gun rights since being here.  Chris inspired me to get the CCW last Sunday.  He is real and working his a$$ off.  In fact, when I have the chance to shoot at some of the matches he is there.  Measurement of Performance (MOP) I would like to say.  I honestly do not know what the folks at the HRA are doing, but it must be something, but what is it?  Alex, once stated that the HRA does a FUNSHOOT, COWBOY SHOOT, and some other time honored events.  Hell most of the folks are volunteers and we appreciate it but I too have not seen anything from the organization WRT protecting H2A.  I'll probably get blasted for this but you know what.....AE and FT are out there and they are making a difference IMHO.  Some folks need to grow some thicker skin and stop making excuses.  They want results pure and simple.

You guys have my support!

If I am denied I'll apply again.

Damm...the worst thing they can say is no. 

Oh by the way, the folks a the HPD know about the site so what do you have to loose.  I overheard some of the guys behind the firearms window talking about the site a while back.


SK

If you want to see what a website can do when it has people supporting it check out:

http://www.georgiacarry.org/
http://www.georgiapacking.org/

Oh by the way, the folks a the HPD know about the site so what do you have to loose.  I overheard some of the guys behind the firearms window talking about the site a while back.

Interesting...I wonder if any of them are members...?   

ETA: I does make me wonder if that's the reason why my application is taking even longer than Chris' did. One of the downsides of using your real name on the internet I suppose. Oh well. 

- Alex

Alex - you forgot me. I haven't applied yet either.

Let me fill you in on a few things. HRA is an ALL volunteer organization. Most of the active members have been at this for many years. And while we all appreciate Chris' efforts, I can tell you that I routinely put in 20+ hours a week on volunteer activity directly related to gun rights issues, and have been for several years now. Others put in similar time and effort. If not for HRA, you would not have the ability to have a handgun in the state of Hawaii right now. Yeah, that's right, we'd be in a similar situation as DC and Chicago in terms of handgun bans. In addition, you'd have to re-register your guns yearly, there would be a .50 cal ban, ammunition marking, firing pin marking, etc. Where were you when we were fighting for your rights for these very important issues?

No one is questioning your willingness to change things, but I would strongly suggest you temper your remarks, especially about individuals who may not have "performed" as you would have hoped. I personally lamented the lack of support for submitting testimony for gun related issues over the years. In reality, submitting testimony is much, much easier than completing the CCW application and going to HPD to submit it. So, where is your outrage over those that couldn't find the time to submit testimony? My point is that folks will do what they can and that you need to be more accepting of those that may have problems following in your footsteps. Tom, over the years has devoted more time, energy, and money toward supporting our Second Amendmednt rights than Chris or you. Are you more "active" at this point in time? Maybe, but pissing off some of your staunchest supporters is counter productive to your overall efforts.

I am all for being "to the point" and have frequently been told I am too blunt and politically incorrect. But you have moved beyond "blunt" or "calling a spade a spade." You have moved into insults and questioning the motives and desires of fellow 2A supporters. You need all the help you can get to get this initiative moving. I would further suggest that pissing off folks who are otherwise sympathetic to your cause and efforts is not in your best interests.

Aloha,

Wow! 

By reading HICARRY post I guess we should not piss him off becasue he will discredit you in a nice way and he is one of the big kahunas in the shooting community.

So on a serious note, thank you for fighting for our Hawaii Gun rights since some of us military folks are not permantly stationed here, unless one chooses to retire here.  Even though civilians cannot shoot .50 cals on the island (I think Kokohead will not allow the 50, unless you are shooting on private land) except for us, I still thank you for your efforts to ensure ammunition is not marked as well.  So much for DODACs!