City Council to hear Reso asking HPD to register guns at Kapolei and Kaneohe (Read 27862 times)

William Smith

I emailed the entire City Council too.   I went through the process of signing up to give testimony tomorrow, but I'm not sure if my testimony was attached to the request.  I reFAXed just in case.  I'll probably just say "I stand on my written testimony", but we'll see how many folks are there and how much time there is for testimony.  I didn't get any confirmation email saying I was signed up to give oral testimony, but there may not be such an email.  Either way, I'll be there tomorrow regardless.   

My wife/friends think its kind of funny, as I don't even have any firearms, so I've never had to go through the line or deal with the process....but I plan on taking some training, doing the DLNR hunting class, and then I may get a firearm (or two).   I feel all this testimony stuff is the right thing to do whether I have guns or not....   and eventually I'll be in one of these lines :)
« Last Edit: May 13, 2013, 08:39:04 PM by William Smith »

William Smith

Gang....Is this meeting tomorrow at the State Capital? 
I've got conflicting info, as one City Council notice says the meeting takes place at Honolulu Hale, and another (and the NRA ILA notice) says the meeting takes place at the Council Committee Meeting Room at 530 South King Street in Honolulu. 
This second address - 530 S. King Street, Room 202, Honolulu, Hawaii 96813- is listed as the location where the council meets, but not necessarily where they hold these meetings. 

I'm planning on going tomorrow, if I can figure out where it is LOL.....Thanks
 

macsak

email sent

ooh
kym pine is an R
and i've seen pics of her firing an AR
i've met her before- sending an email tonight

please, everyone, send emails!

OldFaithful

Today's the big day!

Funtimes

You had to get your prints and were charged the fee prior to the passage of SB 69. So, the only thing SB 69 did was extend the 72 hours to 5 days.....

I was never charged a fee when I first brought guns in.
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Any updates?

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Any updates?
The news is spinning it as an idea for increased revenue for the City. You want your guns? How much are YOU willing to pay to exercise your rights?  :wtf:
http://khon2.com/2013/05/14/new-sites-new-fees-could-end-long-lines-for-gun-permits/
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The news is spinning it as an idea for increased revenue for the City. You want your guns? How much are YOU willing to pay to exercise your rights?  :wtf:
http://khon2.com/2013/05/14/new-sites-new-fees-could-end-long-lines-for-gun-permits/

We the people shouldn't even have to pay more to exercise our 2nd amendment.  It shouldn't be a pain for law abiding American to exercise their rights.  Report was a little inaccurate implying that people must pay a few every time they go through the process.

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I'll pay for gun registrations and permits as soon as the state starts making every voter take a competency test on current events, can explain the organization of our branches of government, and shows proper picture ID at the polls.

Learning to vote responsibly can have more impact on our freedoms than the right to keep and bear arms.  We should be doing it the right way!!
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We the people shouldn't even have to pay more to exercise our 2nd amendment.  It shouldn't be a pain for law abiding American to exercise their rights.  Report was a little inaccurate implying that people must pay a few every time they go through the process.



This is the quote from the report.
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HPD says it doesn’t have the money or the staff to do that. Right now, it costs $16.50 to register a firearm.


Agreed, KHON dropped the ball and reported incorrectly what the $16.50 is for.

William Smith

The meeting went quite well.  It was "passed on" with an amendment/request for some type of audit to perhaps address the possible costs of increasing new locations.   All members voted it be forwarded on w/ the amendment.  I'm typing on cellphone, so disjoint summary.

Three people provided testimony.  The first was an officer from the PD who deals with permitting/registration for C&C Honolulu.  Lots of good questions from Council members after his testimony.  Kymberly Marco Pine (Vice Chair) cited Atty Generals "Firearms Registration 2012" report increase of apx 340% over 12 year period (combined registration and permits-and the %340 is from memory as I don't have report in front of me now).  After pointing out this increase, she asked the officer if the dept had any increase in dept resources in light of this increase, and officer said "no".  Good point.  Need goes way up, services remain near the same.  The officer did say they were considering making the forms available on line for folks to fill out before coming to the detp.  He was noting they were trying to "streamline" the process. 

I provided my testimony after the officer.  I also pointed out I don't own any guns, nor have I ever been through the registration process.  Then I tried to highlight financial hardships caused by folks having to make at least three separate trips to dept, and if they live in Waianae or Kahuku (etc) it is very time consuming and folks may have to take multiple days off from work (smaller paychecks and a strain on our C&C economy).  I also noted that the Big Island range line item had been included in the budget (HB200) and talked that up a bit, then brought that back to C&C Hono by noting that if future visitors to this proposed/funded Kailua-Kona range stopped at Oahu for a few days on their way to Hawaii, they may have to register here to be w./I statute.  If there's only one location serving the whole island, this could make it difficult for visitors to register, and they may not plan a stay on Oahu to be able to register on Big Island.  I pointed out how C&C Hono economy may suffer if these visitors don't stay on Oahu and spend their tourist dollars Oahu too.   Also noted they may not come at all if the registration process is perceived as too daunting.   After I spoke, councilmember (Maybe Ron Menor???) asked if I thought the online forms would help with the time requirements.  I noted the filling out of the forms was only a fraction of the time required to have to make three trips from north shore/Waianae etc....

Thrid speaker was Harvy Gerwig HRA..  He did a great job, and there were several questions from council members after his testimony.  They asked about the possibility of registrqants/permitees being willing to pay a fee to help defray costs of process, and he noted HRA and NRA were NOT in favor of this.  He also pointed out multiple locations on other Counties, and noted sworn officers manning the location may not be necessary and could cost more than "clerks" to handle paperwork.  He noted this was the norm across the nation for the process.   Good points all around.   

After we three gave testimony, there were a couple more questions asked Mr Gerwig.  This may have been when they asked about the possibility of charging money vs during his testimony, but I don't remember the order of the question. 

All in all, I would say every single counsel member was in favor, and voted so.  The whole meeting was video recorded, and there's a link on C&C website to request a copy of that video.  I don't know if they produce a written transcript of the meeting or not.  There were a couple news stations there.   KHON and KITV.  Mr Gerwig got by the KITV group outside the meeting, but was apparently interviewed by KHON outside the building.  They KITV News person-Cam Tran- stopped me vs Mr Gerwig because she was very surprised I provided testimony and "I don't even own any guns".  I gave her a copy of my testimony, The Atty Generals report, and she asked me several questions on camera, but I don't know if they used it for anything.

It would be worthi asking for a copy of the video of the meeting and watching the Resolution 13-74 part, as folks would see how on top of it the counsel was!!! They were really supportive, and almost all their questions were asked in such a way that the answers they got supported the need for more locations.  (it's almost like someone (HRA?? or another supporter) gave a couple potential question to Pine, as they certainly were the right questions.  She's very smart, and could easily have come up with the questions herself, but they were questions, when answered,  demonstrated the need for something being done!!    I'll see if I can get a copy of the meeting video, or if there's a written transcript.  My Gerwig (or Dr Cooper) may provide a summary- their take- on the HRA website-  I just gussing they may.  I'm going to poke around the C&C website docuserver to try to find both the written testimony and the oral testimony.  The Chair (Carol Fukunaga) noted before asking for oral testimony there there was "about 100" written testimonials submitted electronically.  Folks here really were on top of submitting written testimony in favor.  Madam Chair Fukunaga noted "there's an entire folder of testimony in support" that was provided to each counsel member.   Cool.

 

Now I gotta write a little thanks to each of the Council members for their support. 

macsak

kym pine is very smart
berkeley grad
grandmother started democratic party in hawaii with gov burns and others
came home from berkeley and realized that the socialist policies of the left are a problem
so she switched to the right
i told her "this must make for interesting family dinners"
she just laughed and smiled

she may have thought of the questions herself or may have had help from gerwig/cooper
apparently, she was a sponsor of the resolution

good to hear the city council is sharp
cannot say i have heard the same about the leg

great job on testifying, mr smith
i once again applaud your efforts
the offer to let you and your sons shoot my rifle still stands

The meeting went quite well.  It was "passed on" with an amendment/request for some type of audit to perhaps address the possible costs of increasing new locations.   All members voted it be forwarded on w/ the amendment.  I'm typing on cellphone, so disjoint summary.

Three people provided testimony.  The first was an officer from the PD who deals with permitting/registration for C&C Honolulu.  Lots of good questions from Council members after his testimony.  Kymberly Marco Pine (Vice Chair) cited Atty Generals "Firearms Registration 2012" report increase of apx 340% over 12 year period (combined registration and permits-and the %340 is from memory as I don't have report in front of me now).  After pointing out this increase, she asked the officer if the dept had any increase in dept resources in light of this increase, and officer said "no".  Good point.  Need goes way up, services remain near the same.  The officer did say they were considering making the forms available on line for folks to fill out before coming to the detp.  He was noting they were trying to "streamline" the process. 

I provided my testimony after the officer.  I also pointed out I don't own any guns, nor have I ever been through the registration process.  Then I tried to highlight financial hardships caused by folks having to make at least three separate trips to dept, and if they live in Waianae or Kahuku (etc) it is very time consuming and folks may have to take multiple days off from work (smaller paychecks and a strain on our C&C economy).  I also noted that the Big Island range line item had been included in the budget (HB200) and talked that up a bit, then brought that back to C&C Hono by noting that if future visitors to this proposed/funded Kailua-Kona range stopped at Oahu for a few days on their way to Hawaii, they may have to register here to be w./I statute.  If there's only one location serving the whole island, this could make it difficult for visitors to register, and they may not plan a stay on Oahu to be able to register on Big Island.  I pointed out how C&C Hono economy may suffer if these visitors don't stay on Oahu and spend their tourist dollars Oahu too.   Also noted they may not come at all if the registration process is perceived as too daunting.   After I spoke, councilmember (Maybe Ron Menor???) asked if I thought the online forms would help with the time requirements.  I noted the filling out of the forms was only a fraction of the time required to have to make three trips from north shore/Waianae etc....

Thrid speaker was Harvy Gerwig HRA..  He did a great job, and there were several questions from council members after his testimony.  They asked about the possibility of registrqants/permitees being willing to pay a fee to help defray costs of process, and he noted HRA and NRA were NOT in favor of this.  He also pointed out multiple locations on other Counties, and noted sworn officers manning the location may not be necessary and could cost more than "clerks" to handle paperwork.  He noted this was the norm across the nation for the process.   Good points all around.   

After we three gave testimony, there were a couple more questions asked Mr Gerwig.  This may have been when they asked about the possibility of charging money vs during his testimony, but I don't remember the order of the question. 

All in all, I would say every single counsel member was in favor, and voted so.  The whole meeting was video recorded, and there's a link on C&C website to request a copy of that video.  I don't know if they produce a written transcript of the meeting or not.  There were a couple news stations there.   KHON and KITV.  Mr Gerwig got by the KITV group outside the meeting, but was apparently interviewed by KHON outside the building.  They KITV News person-Cam Tran- stopped me vs Mr Gerwig because she was very surprised I provided testimony and "I don't even own any guns".  I gave her a copy of my testimony, The Atty Generals report, and she asked me several questions on camera, but I don't know if they used it for anything.

It would be worthi asking for a copy of the video of the meeting and watching the Resolution 13-74 part, as folks would see how on top of it the counsel was!!! They were really supportive, and almost all their questions were asked in such a way that the answers they got supported the need for more locations.  (it's almost like someone (HRA?? or another supporter) gave a couple potential question to Pine, as they certainly were the right questions.  She's very smart, and could easily have come up with the questions herself, but they were questions, when answered,  demonstrated the need for something being done!!    I'll see if I can get a copy of the meeting video, or if there's a written transcript.  My Gerwig (or Dr Cooper) may provide a summary- their take- on the HRA website-  I just gussing they may.  I'm going to poke around the C&C website docuserver to try to find both the written testimony and the oral testimony.  The Chair (Carol Fukunaga) noted before asking for oral testimony there there was "about 100" written testimonials submitted electronically.  Folks here really were on top of submitting written testimony in favor.  Madam Chair Fukunaga noted "there's an entire folder of testimony in support" that was provided to each counsel member.   Cool.

 

Now I gotta write a little thanks to each of the Council members for their support.

William Smith


the offer to let you and your sons shoot my rifle still stands
My pleasure providing testimony for anything in support of 2a rights....and I would almost say it was/is my duty/responsibility to do so!  I want my/our kids to have these rights in the future, even if I don't own any guns right now....and my boys and I would love to shoot with you sometime...... 

bass monkey

What is the next step?

Also I must agree, nothing better then the feeling of seeing them pull out a fat stack of testimony papers all in support.  As well as the look on everyone's faces.  Ah. Makes me proud. Makes me smile.

macsak

did you guys notice in the star-ad where they interviewed kym, she said she was getting tons of emails from "doctors and pastors"?
i am not a real doctor, so she couldn't have been talking about me
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kym pine is very smart
berkeley grad
grandmother started democratic party in hawaii with gov burns and others
came home from berkeley and realized that the socialist policies of the left are a problem
so she switched to the right
i told her "this must make for interesting family dinners"
she just laughed and smiled

she may have thought of the questions herself or may have had help from gerwig/cooper
apparently, she was a sponsor of the resolution

good to hear the city council is sharp
cannot say i have heard the same about the leg

great job on testifying, mr smith
i once again applaud your efforts
the offer to let you and your sons shoot my rifle still stands