Just seen on the news about a stray bullet hitting a ladies van at sandys the family is saying that it came from kokohead but I highly doubt it..hopefully nuthing negative will come from this, but now days seems like anything can happen...

Saw that too on kitv 10pm news.  They interviewed Harvey Gerwig about it.  He said trajectory unlikely to have come from the range.  Anybody know if they normally post all the stories to their website that they show on the news?  Can't find it yet on their website.  Watched kfve 9pm news and didn't see any mention of this story. 

Updates post to websites

KITV
http://www.kitv.com/bullet-suspected-of-hitting-moving-car-at-sandy-beach/-/8906042/20337656/-/item/0/-/158uwrpz/-/index.html

KHNL
http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/story/22443501/possible-stray-bullet-strikes-van-at-sandy-beach

Its very implausible not impossible.  There is such a small chance it came from the range.  It would have been to be a large caliber rifle round fired directly in that area from a high vantage point to pierce the steel or aluminum body of the car.  While its most likely a bullet hole its not likely it came from a responsible shooter

I always want to see these bullets lol.

Was a bullet shown or even found? Or did someone just have a hole in their car?

Still terrible publicity for gun owners in Hawaii

this is why you should never shoot randomly into the air...  except for New Years eve and 4th of July cuz of the fireworks ban    Take away peoples fireworks and they are still gonna figure out how to get a bang.  I'm not saying its right but it happens.

What if it was a meteorite...   that would actually be pretty awesome.  It happens more often than you think!

so yeah...where's the bullet?

probably a rock or something on the road kicked up by a large vehicle....

It's definitely not a rock kicked up by a car.. The hole was in the roof of the van and it looked like it was made by a bullet.. The owner said its stuck inbetween the roof and the headliner. Guess someone was practicing for 4th of July since no more fireworks.

Are the vehicle owners positive it's a bullet and not a pellet?  Was the vehicle recently in the vicinity of the graveyard?

 

Most likely came from another source other than the Kokohead range - but I can imagine another effort to close the range and use this incident about "how scary" it is to be at Sandys or any other place where there is a range.

The story is at:
http://www.kitv.com/news/hawaii/bullet-suspected-of-hitting-moving-car-at-sandy-beach/-/8905354/20337656/-/ir9g5h/-/index.html
Mentions that the bullet is rattling around in the roof and cops will examine it after a mechanic removes it.
Harvey Gerwig made the point that perhaps it was someone at Queensgate (across the highway from Sandy's) firing off a round.
Or maybe Kalama Valley?

The story is at:
http://www.kitv.com/news/hawaii/bullet-suspected-of-hitting-moving-car-at-sandy-beach/-/8905354/20337656/-/ir9g5h/-/index.html
Mentions that the bullet is rattling around in the roof and cops will examine it after a mechanic removes it.
Harvey Gerwig made the point that perhaps it was someone at Queensgate (across the highway from Sandy's) firing off a round.
Or maybe Kalama Valley?

Rough estimate I have is Sandy's is well over 2 km from the range.  This puts the distance well over a mile (so well over 2,200 yards).  I do agree it's highly unlikely for the round to have come from the range at least highly unlikely without someone noticing something was up.

If the round did come from a surrounding neighborhood, then someone knows/heard something.  A firearm discharge in the neighborhood, someone would know.

The KITV story says the range is 5,500 feet away. Doesn't say how they got that figure.

 Back in the late '90s, a kid in Kalihi was hospitalized after being struck by a .45-cal bullet on New Year's Eve that HPD guessed someone distant fired into the air.  Dumb asses: What goes up must come down. Or let's all start wearing helmets outdoors.

At terminal velocity coming down, bullets can still break the skin

Are the vehicle owners positive it's a bullet and not a pellet?  Was the vehicle recently in the vicinity of the graveyard?

 

Were there any short filipinos with earrinngs in the area?  They are known to be in possession of a .22 conversion for an AR   

Take a close look at the damage. I do not see a hole, therefore there would be no bullet rattling around in the headliner.
I see a a dent with paint flaking off exposing bare sheet metal.

I would be very surprised if someone produced a bullet from inside that car.
That looks like a fairly new Honda van. That flaking paint doesn't say much for the paint quality of Honda. Just sayin'

I've read somewhere that several homes, cars, and even people are hit by what officials think are stray  bullets fired into the air.  The stats I read were for New Years Eve and I think 4th of July, and they were for part of the mainland (or maybe just for LA- I don't remember for sure).  It was a much higher number than I would have guessed. 

When I get on a "real computer", I'll try do a little trajectory estimate using GIS.  I'll estimate the linear distance from range to Sandys parking lot, and I'll also estimate the trajectory distance which will take into account the elevation of anything in this path.  I'll try to produce a series of trajectories which may account for vertical angle of gun.

While it's more likely a bullet than a meteorite, I'm guessing it's pretty unlikely that it originated from the range.  When I get my little GIS project done, I'll be able to make a more educated guess.