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artesho

Legality of AR mags
« on: June 19, 2013, 12:18:19 PM »
Hey guys, I've done a search on this topic and found that there are opposing views regarding the legality of AR mags over the 10rd capacity. Does anyone know what is legal here in Hawaii?
One argument I've heard is that it is completely illegal to have AR mags over 10rds due to the fact that there are AR pistols.
Another argument is that AR mags with more than 10 rds is legal because AR pistols are illegal in Hawaii, making it NOT possible to have AR mags in pistols.
Another argument is that the definition of a pistol means the magazine is inserted into the grip of the firearm, therefore there is no such thing as a AR Pistol...

I understand that it is one of those grey areas but what gives? Anybody have some insight on this?
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GZire

Re: Legality of AR mags
« Reply #1 on: June 19, 2013, 01:01:11 PM »
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Re: Legality of AR mags
« Reply #2 on: June 19, 2013, 04:13:55 PM »
Both sides IMO fear a clearer definition will rule against them . Police want wording to include AR pistol and AR15 rifle. The shooting public and 2A supporters want wording to exclude the AR15 rifle. This applies to AK47. So if no one made AR or AK pistols, 30rnd magazines would be legal. The police are waiting for an incident (mass shooting) here in Hawaii  so they will have the public outcry to ensure a total win with minimal political fallout.

So we all wait until someone on either side challenges the law.
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Re: Legality of AR mags
« Reply #3 on: June 19, 2013, 04:26:18 PM »
We just called the Attorney General about this last week

The AR-15 Pistol is classified as an Assault Pistol. As defined by the HRS

So since there is no legal AR Pistol. We AR owners can still enjoy our over 10 Round mags.

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Re: Legality of AR mags
« Reply #4 on: June 19, 2013, 04:42:25 PM »
With the way it is written, it sounds like as long as it can fit into a pistol then it is illegal, regardless of if the pistol is legal or not.

Same story with the rugar charger pistol and whatnot. That's why there modified to only accept some mags or mags for them are capped.
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Re: Legality of AR mags
« Reply #5 on: June 19, 2013, 04:45:49 PM »
Quote from: SpeedTek on June 19, 2013, 04:26:18 PM
We just called the Attorney General about this last week

The AR-15 Pistol is classified as an Assault Pistol. As defined by the HRS

So since there is no legal AR Pistol. We AR owners can still enjoy our over 10 Round mags.

Think we could get it in writing?
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Re: Legality of AR mags
« Reply #6 on: June 19, 2013, 05:58:31 PM »
Quote from: SpeedTek on June 19, 2013, 04:26:18 PM
We just called the Attorney General about this last week

The AR-15 Pistol is classified as an Assault Pistol. As defined by the HRS

So since there is no legal AR Pistol. We AR owners can still enjoy our over 10 Round mags.

Except that prior to a certain date some of these "assault pistols" (H&K SP89) were legal in Hawaii so although SP89 is illegal now it doesn't mean there aren't some in Hawaii legally.  By the letter of the law it is illegal.  Until the AG submits something in writing to the contrary it is not advisable to say otherwise.
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Re: Legality of AR mags
« Reply #7 on: June 19, 2013, 06:40:29 PM »
Quote from: SpeedTek on June 19, 2013, 04:26:18 PM
We just called the Attorney General about this last week

The AR-15 Pistol is classified as an Assault Pistol. As defined by the HRS

So since there is no legal AR Pistol. We AR owners can still enjoy our over 10 Round mags.

so does this mean BX25 mags for the 10/22 are legal?
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Re: Legality of AR mags
« Reply #8 on: June 19, 2013, 06:50:23 PM »
Quote from: Haoleb on June 19, 2013, 06:40:29 PM
so does this mean BX25 mags for the 10/22 are legal?

The bx25 are not legal because of the magnum reasearch charger pistol. Which is a legal 10/22 based pistol.

The old ruger charger pistol was on the banned list. Now they have a lighter barrel so the new version is a legal pistol.
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Re: Legality of AR mags
« Reply #13 on: June 21, 2013, 12:40:20 PM »
Quote from: SpeedTek on June 19, 2013, 04:26:18 PM
We just called the Attorney General about this last week

The AR-15 Pistol is classified as an Assault Pistol. As defined by the HRS

So since there is no legal AR Pistol. We AR owners can still enjoy our over 10 Round mags.



Except that there is an opinion by a Deputy AG that contradicts the info you were given and was directly responsible for one of the local shooting clubs to specifically limit magazines to 10 rounds. So, unless the AG's office provides you something in writing, your reliance on the info, especially in court, is worth nothing.

HRA has looked at this issue over the course of many years and supports the "no more than 10 rounds" interpretation. HDF I believe has come to the same conclusion.
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« Reply #14 on: June 21, 2013, 06:14:39 PM »
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Re: Legality of AR mags
« Reply #15 on: June 21, 2013, 06:37:01 PM »
Quote from: HiCarry on June 21, 2013, 12:40:20 PM
HRA has looked at this issue over the course of many years and supports the "no more than 10 rounds" interpretation. HDF I believe has come to the same conclusion.

And yet I see dozens of HRA "members with their "more than 10 rounds" mags every single week.

Go figure
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Re: Legality of AR mags
« Reply #16 on: June 21, 2013, 07:21:47 PM »
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hvybarrels

Re: Legality of AR mags
« Reply #17 on: June 21, 2013, 09:23:49 PM »
Most likely you'll end up having to bury your 11+ round mags in the backyard soon enough, and given the restrictive rules at the range the only reason you probably have them is for looks, anyway.
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Re: Legality of AR mags
« Reply #18 on: June 21, 2013, 09:42:16 PM »
Quote from: SpeedTek on June 19, 2013, 06:50:23 PM
The bx25 are not legal because of the magnum reasearch charger pistol. Which is a legal 10/22 based pistol.

The old ruger charger pistol was on the banned list. Now they have a lighter barrel so the new version is a legal pistol.

Really? I have seen Bx25's for sale locally and can swear I have seen people at khsc with them?
Are they treated the same way 30rd ar mags are? Supposedly illegal but not enforced?
« Last Edit: June 21, 2013, 09:47:32 PM by WCMTWS »
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Re: Legality of AR mags
« Reply #19 on: June 23, 2013, 12:07:25 AM »
Quote from: HiCarry on June 21, 2013, 12:40:20 PM
HDF I believe has come to the same conclusion.

We have had attorneys look into the issue, and have said they would have a very - very difficult time protection you should they choose to prosecute; you would likely be very easily convicted.
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