I'm looking for people who are down to train ECQC style of work.
A lot of self defense aor duty work with blue guns.


search youtube if you don't know what I am referring to.

 

This would be great if we could CC in Hawaii. Unfortunately, we can't, which therefore makes ECQC kind of pointless; unless, of course, you are military, which in that case would make sense.

Might as well join a dedicated self-defense school and practice CQC there.

Knowing and understanding more things is never pointless.  What if you travel to the mainland and carry there? 

This would be great if we could CC in Hawaii. Unfortunately, we can't, which therefore makes ECQC kind of pointless; unless, of course, you are military, which in that case would make sense.

Might as well join a dedicated self-defense school and practice CQC there.

CCW is one aspect.
Part of ECQC is dealing with a variety of topics and situations. The Hawaii laws imo are fairly lacked on knife carry if lethal force is necessitated. Practicing and utilizing correct strategies and tactics to mitigate a variety of situations, from panhandlers, aggressive panhandlers, aggressive persons, unknown persons, multiple aggressive persons, other would imo help increase one's chances of survival in adverse conditions.
2A CCW is only one perspective.

 

This would be great if we could CC in Hawaii. Unfortunately, we can't, which therefore makes ECQC kind of pointless; unless, of course, you are military, which in that case would make sense.

Might as well join a dedicated self-defense school and practice CQC there.

The ability to access and draw a tool or weapon is fairly the same whether it is a pistol, flashlight, baton or knife. I acknowledge not all are legal to be carried in Hawaii, but it is still a skill that should be practiced. Statistically assaults are up close and personal. This reinforces the position that accessing and drawing skills should be practiced in conjunction with a use of force continuum.

Does anyone have any suggestions where someone could practice these skills?
Anyone feel free to pm me a suggestion or if they'd like to teach aor train with me.

If you are going to imply 'knife tactics', please state so. Being that this is a 2A site, people usually assume that it is in reference to firearms.  If you can find someone with a kali background, you should be set. If there is one martial art style that taught me the most about applicable/real world armed and unarmed combat, it was Kali.

That being said, Hawaii laws are NOT laxed on knife carry. Everything from the types of wounds you inflict, to the type of knife you carry, to the type of training background you have will all be taken into account and will be possibly scrutinized  and used against you in a court of law should you attempt to use your knife; even in a self-defense situation. Just make sure you take the time to learn the minute details about knife carry laws and the proper knives associated those laws before you attempt to do so. 

I am not strictly implying knife tactics, but the ability to train and practice needed skills, whether that is drawing a pistol, knife, flashlight, pen or other while being overwhelmed by another person(s). I am also referring to use of force on a sliding continuum where verbal dissuasion, unarmed combat and armed combat integrate. Related, controlling and disarming another persons weapon the skills have commonalities whether it is a fork, knife or pistol.
Kali, I have done some, imo it is critically as important and less practiced of accessing, deploying one's weapon be it a pistol, knife, flashlight, baton than of using it.

We are fairly fortunate with the knife laws that exist in comparison to other states as there is no limit on length or form of carry. The dangerous weapons clause and suspicious activity can be a catch all phrase, but a single edged folder or fixed of any length is deemed legal as long as it is not considered a dangerous weapon.
 
Thank you for the friendly advice.

There is few factors you must consider. First most assaults take place within 3-5 feet and last 3-5 seconds. If he guy is sketchy you can defuse it by keeping a reactionary gap of 6 ft. If he has knife you are pretty much fucked. You will get cut. Don't believe the movies. You will not disarm the guy with out getting cut. The best thing to do is get behind cover and get a weapon. If he is with in 30 feet he can be on you in 3 seconds. Look up Spontaneous knife defense.

If you are going to imply 'knife tactics', please state so. Being that this is a 2A site, people usually assume that it is in reference to firearms.  If you can find someone with a kali background, you should be set. If there is one martial art style that taught me the most about applicable/real world armed and unarmed combat, it was Kali.

That being said, Hawaii laws are NOT laxed on knife carry. Everything from the types of wounds you inflict, to the type of knife you carry, to the type of training background you have will all be taken into account and will be possibly scrutinized  and used against you in a court of law should you attempt to use your knife; even in a self-defense situation. Just make sure you take the time to learn the minute details about knife carry laws and the proper knives associated those laws before you attempt to do so. 

I'd like to know where you are getting this from?  Hawaii has pretty good knife laws with the exception of gravity / switch blade knives.  Self-defense laws are indifferent to the type of weapon used, unless you can cite some legal authority otherwise.  I've read two published HI Sup. Ct. cases on knives, and there was never a mention of any of this.   Instead, they specifically state that dive knives are not dangerous nor deadly weapons, and that knives generally (outside of their listed items i.e. dirk, dagger) are protected instruments as well.

When the marine stabbed the guys downtown, there was no huff puff about it.  When the man stabbed the fools for taking his backpack, the same was still true. 

 

I arrived at this conclusion by obtaining this info from a friend who is a beat cop, reading the HRS and HRO, speaking with (2) desk sergeants working at the Kailua and Main stations, as well as adding my own personal law enforcement insight and experience

Its not a fact of what previous cases show, or that the wording is not exact to define what is or what isn't; its how they may possibly interpret the incident and the factors involved. You should know, with regards to your case, what kind of crap the department will pull to justify their point and prove their opponents wrong; just because a law says one thing doesn't mean that can't tweak it's interpretation to justify their case.

Just giving you the info that was relayed to me from individuals who work for those that can use such info against those who do abide by the literal interpretation of the law. 

You didn't give any actual tangible info except you heard it from a guy that knows a guy. Plus, there is a reason why some desk sergeants are desk sergeants. Liability, They can't violate civil rights working at a desk.

Hawaii knife laws are pretty laxed considering. As long as its not a dirk, dagger, butterfly knife or switchblade you are good. You could actually carry a fricken samurai sword if you wanted to. I might cause some reasonable suspicion but unless your actually committing a crime, or a felon in some cases the police can't take it away.

I arrived at this conclusion by obtaining this info from a friend who is a beat cop, reading the HRS and HRO, speaking with (2) desk sergeants working at the Kailua and Main stations, as well as adding my own personal law enforcement insight and experience

Its not a fact of what previous cases show, or that the wording is not exact to define what is or what isn't; its how they may possibly interpret the incident and the factors involved. You should know, with regards to your case, what kind of crap the department will pull to justify their point and prove their opponents wrong; just because a law says one thing doesn't mean that can't tweak it's interpretation to justify their case.

Just giving you the info that was relayed to me from individuals who work for those that can use such info against those who do abide by the literal interpretation of the law. 

I have seen absolutely nothing that would support your statements though.  The law surely doesn't support it, and the Hawaii Supreme court did not agree.    The only thing that is relevant, is likely the level of experience of the individual involved.  I say that only because I suspect that trained individuals could more easily be held to a higher standard, especially individuals who have gone through use of force type training.     When FELONS are having their knife cases tossed out of the court system here because "knives generally are protected by the Second Amendment" it's kind of a hard argument to make that we don't have decent knife laws.

Also, my attorney friend has done some legal briefing on hawaii knife laws in the 9th circuit in the Young case.  We have looked at the knife statutes and also looked into whether knife rights or anyone else would be interested in having fun out here.  It just hasn't materialized yet, mostly due to funding.

You didn't give any actual tangible info except you heard it from a guy that knows a guy. Plus, there is a reason why some desk sergeants are desk sergeants. Liability, They can't violate civil rights working at a desk.

There are very few officers I know that I would trust to give me an interpretation of the law.  They for the most part appear to be more generalists, kind of know what might be wrong - or what should be - and then they look it up in the little notebook to see if it meets the requirements.  It's not the job of an officer to know what every offense in the book is, but they should have a general of idea of what is right and wrong - and then how to find more information. 

You could actually carry a fricken samurai sword if you wanted to.

Hrm.  Not sure if I would say that.  Anything that is designed for fighting or as a weapon would (IMO) most likely be classified into the deadly weapons statute.  Some of these items are protected for cultural purposes, and for use in training, martial arts and the like.  Carrying said Samurai sword would very likely get you in trouble; this is also depending on the manner in which you were carrying it.   For instance, a K-Bar, would be an illegal knife.  While, a SOG knife would not be; one is marketed as a fighting weapon, the other a tool.  The tool would have to be diverted from it's normal purpose, cutting, poking proding etc.. to be classified as a weapon.  In the end, if you are worried just carry a dive knife !

Don't know if he's still around but for a long time there was a nutty looking guy jogging around Waikiki with a samurai sword strapped to his back.