The Lone Ranger is kinda anti gun. (Read 11314 times)

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The Lone Ranger is kinda anti gun.
« on: June 26, 2013, 11:22:38 PM »
The Lone Ranger makes a point a number of times in the movie about not believing in guns, and there's even a line where he says:

 "Where I'm going, i don't need a gun". 
"where's that?"
"The Future"


and ironically, the railroad was going to san francisco in the movie.


They need to stop being so obvious about it.

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Re: The Lone Ranger is kinda anti gun.
« Reply #1 on: June 27, 2013, 12:22:16 AM »
I boycott all anti-gun actor movies......
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Re: The Lone Ranger is kinda anti gun.
« Reply #2 on: June 27, 2013, 12:25:06 AM »
I boycott all anti-gun actor movies......
well, i saw it for free, no biggie.

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Re: The Lone Ranger is kinda anti gun.
« Reply #3 on: June 27, 2013, 01:56:13 AM »
The Lone Ranger makes a point a number of times in the movie about not believing in guns, and there's even a line where he says:

 "Where I'm going, i don't need a gun". 
"where's that?"
"The Future"


and ironically, the railroad was going to san francisco in the movie.


They need to stop being so obvious about it.
You're obviously too young to have seen the old movies, original TV series or any of the reruns. But the Lone Ranger character has always been about a mythical "code of the west" chivalry and he didn't need a gun because it was a tool of last resort. That's not a pro or anti gun statement, just part of the legend.

I boycott all anti-gun actor movies......

Uhhh....Johnny Depp is a gun owning Kentucky boy and NRA member.



Better reasons for boycotting this particular movie? It's watered down PG-13 Disney crap and how they couldn't find a Native American to play a Native American.
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Re: The Lone Ranger is kinda anti gun.
« Reply #4 on: June 27, 2013, 06:12:47 AM »
It's always interesting to me that in those movie cowboy fistfights, almost nobody reaches for their guns, which are right there on their hips.

They crash through doors, they crush tables, they fall off balconies, still nobody draws.

Interesting. Of course, "it's just the movies," but they seem to reflect a different cultural attitude toward firearms.
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Kingkeoni

Re: The Lone Ranger is kinda anti gun.
« Reply #5 on: June 27, 2013, 06:52:58 AM »
It's always interesting to me that in those movie cowboy fistfights, almost nobody reaches for their guns, which are right there on their hips.

They crash through doors, they crush tables, they fall off balconies, still nobody draws.

Interesting. Of course, "it's just the movies," but they seem to reflect a different cultural attitude toward firearms.

It's a good thing to whip someone's ass or get an ass whipping like a man.

A fight is no reason to pull a gun. Too many pussies go out and get a gun because they can't fight.

If you can't get your ass kicked without reaching for a gun then you shouldn't own a gun.

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Re: The Lone Ranger is kinda anti gun.
« Reply #6 on: June 27, 2013, 07:24:46 AM »
I didn't know Johnny Depp was a gun guy.  That makes me want to go out and buy a copy of Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas if it's true.  "We can't stop here!  This is BAT country!"
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Re: The Lone Ranger is kinda anti gun.
« Reply #7 on: June 27, 2013, 07:33:24 AM »
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Re: The Lone Ranger is kinda anti gun.
« Reply #8 on: June 27, 2013, 07:56:54 AM »
 
It's a good thing to whip someone's ass or get an ass whipping like a man.

A fight is no reason to pull a gun. Too many pussies go out and get a gun because they can't fight.

If you can't get your ass kicked without reaching for a gun then you shouldn't own a gun.
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Re: The Lone Ranger is kinda anti gun.
« Reply #9 on: June 27, 2013, 08:28:57 AM »
It's a good thing to whip someone's ass or get an ass whipping like a man.

A fight is no reason to pull a gun. Too many pussies go out and get a gun because they can't fight.

If you can't get your ass kicked without reaching for a gun then you shouldn't own a gun.


Agreed!  :shaka:
It is what it is.

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Re: The Lone Ranger is kinda anti gun.
« Reply #10 on: June 27, 2013, 10:26:49 PM »

You're obviously too young to have seen the old movies, original TV series or any of the reruns. But the Lone Ranger character has always been about a mythical "code of the west" chivalry and he didn't need a gun because it was a tool of last resort. That's not a pro or anti gun statement, just part of the legend.

Uhhh....Johnny Depp is a gun owning Kentucky boy and NRA member.

Better reasons for boycotting this particular movie? It's watered down PG-13 Disney crap and how they couldn't find a Native American to play a Native American.

Uhhhh....they did find a native american to play tonto - just as black-teeth deppe himself!  And don't knock him......bubba WJC himself was the unverified first black president, remember?

Look - here are better reasons for boycotting this crap.....

....dousche bag deppe shit talked USA during an interview in Germany - but he said he was misquoted; he shit on the USA in a Newsweek interview - but he said he was misquoted; he moved to France saying he couldn't stand American culture - but he said he was misquoted; then genius moves back from France cause of the higher taxes; he also stated in a few separate interviews that he had Cherokee or creek blood, yet refused requests from both tribes to verify his DNA or genealogy; then he doubles down on being offensive, after being cast as 'Tonto', and says by being Native American he has to be "the product of some horrific rape...", which many tribal leaders went on record saying was moronic and ignorant............aaaaannd....to remind you, none other than Mr. Bowling for Columbine; Mr. Surprise-corner-and-attack-helpless-Charleton-Heston was/is a gun-owning NRA life member.......

...soooooooo...lets take Mr. Kentucky - who was raised in Florida, for the record - and his NRA and gun owing status with a grain of salt.

At the very least, he is intensely confused about who he is - culturally and nationalistically - politically and socioeconomically - but objectively, he is clearly just another liberal Hollywood hypocritical wannabe-european, antiamerican!

Sorry...



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Re: The Lone Ranger is kinda anti gun.
« Reply #11 on: June 28, 2013, 02:10:32 AM »

Uhhhh....they did find a native american to play tonto - just as black-teeth deppe himself!  And don't knock him......bubba WJC himself was the unverified first black president, remember?

Look - here are better reasons for boycotting this crap.....

....dousche bag deppe shit talked USA during an interview in Germany - but he said he was misquoted; he shit on the USA in a Newsweek interview - but he said he was misquoted; he moved to France saying he couldn't stand American culture - but he said he was misquoted; then genius moves back from France cause of the higher taxes; he also stated in a few separate interviews that he had Cherokee or creek blood, yet refused requests from both tribes to verify his DNA or genealogy; then he doubles down on being offensive, after being cast as 'Tonto', and says by being Native American he has to be "the product of some horrific rape...", which many tribal leaders went on record saying was moronic and ignorant............aaaaannd....to remind you, none other than Mr. Bowling for Columbine; Mr. Surprise-corner-and-attack-helpless-Charleton-Heston was/is a gun-owning NRA life member.......

...soooooooo...lets take Mr. Kentucky - who was raised in Florida, for the record - and his NRA and gun owing status with a grain of salt.

At the very least, he is intensely confused about who he is - culturally and nationalistically - politically and socioeconomically - but objectively, he is clearly just another liberal Hollywood hypocritical wannabe-european, antiamerican!

Sorry...
Being an "honorary" Native American doesn't make him so. Believing otherwise would equivalent to saying that Al Jolson and Billy Van were of African descent or that Warner Oland and Sidney Toler were Chinese. There are many fairly well known actors that could've fit the bill: Adam Beach, Eddie or Michael Spears, maybe Lou Diamond Phillips etc. My choice would've been Graham Greene, if he were younger. But as a lifelong Lone Ranger fan (and westerns in general), no one can ever replace Clayton Moore and Jay Silverheels.

As for the so called "anti-American" Johnny Depp comments? I remember reading the article while on deployment and had the same reaction, but then took in the correct context. He gave that interview in English, which was translated to German, then back to English in reprinting. So don't believe everything you read or Google. Whether misquoted or mistranslated really doesn't matter, because the key here is that he was speaking about US politics and expressing his anti-war belief. Contextually his statements are no different than 2A rights folk griping about a politician (which happens a lot)...I'm sure you'd agree it doesn't mean they hate this country. Neither does choosing to live abroad. As cited in numerous articles, he moved to France because 1) his wife (now ex) is French,  2) he didn't want his kids raised in the LA lifestyle, and 3) he was tired of being harrassed by paparazzi.  So I'm not sure why anyone would have a problem with someone basically wanting to keep his attractive wife happy, trying to keep his children away from that cesspool of a city, and not wanting every move documented. There are 2 versions for why he's leaving France: higher taxes and refusing to renounce his US citizenship. The majority of reputable sources (non-gossip sites) state is is the second. Now if he had become a French citizen from the start and had a sudden change of heart? You'd have a point. But the fact is he's been there on a vistor visa, has been paying US taxes and is now refusing to give up US citizenship...nothing un-American about that.

It's not about bashing or defending Johnny Depp, I'm not a fan nor hater of the man...I just believe that getting ones facts straight is important. And I don't see why one would group him with the hypocrite with no integrity or morals. He has never made an anti-2A statement? Refused to appear in or denounced any of his works because of gun violence (like Jim Carrey)? Promoted/supported politicians that attack the 2A? Nope. No grain of salt necessary. I stand by my original statement.
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Colt808

Re: The Lone Ranger is kinda anti gun.
« Reply #12 on: June 28, 2013, 02:12:35 AM »
It's a good thing to whip someone's ass or get an ass whipping like a man.

A fight is no reason to pull a gun. Too many pussies go out and get a gun because they can't fight.

If you can't get your ass kicked without reaching for a gun then you shouldn't own a gun.
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HUCKLEBUCK

Re: The Lone Ranger is kinda anti gun.
« Reply #13 on: June 28, 2013, 01:56:53 PM »

Being an "honorary" Native American doesn't make him so. Believing otherwise would equivalent to saying that Al Jolson and Billy Van were of African descent or that Warner Oland and Sidney Toler were Chinese. There are many fairly well known actors that could've fit the bill: Adam Beach, Eddie or Michael Spears, maybe Lou Diamond Phillips etc. My choice would've been Graham Greene, if he were younger. But as a lifelong Lone Ranger fan (and westerns in general), no one can ever replace Clayton Moore and Jay Silverheels.

As for the so called "anti-American" Johnny Depp comments? I remember reading the article while on deployment and had the same reaction, but then took in the correct context. He gave that interview in English, which was translated to German, then back to English in reprinting. So don't believe everything you read or Google. Whether misquoted or mistranslated really doesn't matter, because the key here is that he was speaking about US politics and expressing his anti-war belief. Contextually his statements are no different than 2A rights folk griping about a politician (which happens a lot)...I'm sure you'd agree it doesn't mean they hate this country. Neither does choosing to live abroad. As cited in numerous articles, he moved to France because 1) his wife (now ex) is French,  2) he didn't want his kids raised in the LA lifestyle, and 3) he was tired of being harrassed by paparazzi.  So I'm not sure why anyone would have a problem with someone basically wanting to keep his attractive wife happy, trying to keep his children away from that cesspool of a city, and not wanting every move documented. There are 2 versions for why he's leaving France: higher taxes and refusing to renounce his US citizenship. The majority of reputable sources (non-gossip sites) state is is the second. Now if he had become a French citizen from the start and had a sudden change of heart? You'd have a point. But the fact is he's been there on a vistor visa, has been paying US taxes and is now refusing to give up US citizenship...nothing un-American about that.

It's not about bashing or defending Johnny Depp, I'm not a fan nor hater of the man...I just believe that getting ones facts straight is important. And I don't see why one would group him with the hypocrite with no integrity or morals. He has never made an anti-2A statement? Refused to appear in or denounced any of his works because of gun violence (like Jim Carrey)? Promoted/supported politicians that attack the 2A? Nope. No grain of salt necessary. I stand by my original statement.

I hear you...but respectfully, you take the same approach libs take when confronted with obastard's almost innumerable instances of on-foreign-soil criticism of America's current and past foreign policies, and apologies for various indiscretions and wrongdoings.  that is, maintaining there is nothing unpatriotic about criticizing the government and you have to understand the context.

The reality is that such criticisms are never innocent and righteous as the criticizers are decidedly selective about to whom and where they voice criticisms.  So while all of the usual Hollywood anti bushers are all over Europe and elsewhere criticizing - and let's be accurate about characterizing them - criticizing BUSH'S wars and foreign policies, deppe decides to do the same in germany, but you think he shouldnt be lumped in with penn, clooney, sarrandon, et alia.

the reality is that they, deppe and Obama all supported or were silent on every policy, skirmish, war, police action or whatever, of Clinton's - and now obama's (Afghanistan, Syria, lybia....) - but you want to overlook the significance of that.

And similarly you want to remove any significance regarding the move of a suggested patriotic 2a loving american, to a socialist/statist antiamerican, american-DESPISING country like France; a significance that would normally be assumable if we were talking about any other undebatable Hollywood lefty; you'd like to ignore the natural significance of that, believing it was for his kids, wife and due to the paparazzi.  well any famous Hollywood star - especially of deppe's caliber - will tell you the paparazzi in france are as ubiquitous and in-your-face as they are here (ask lady D). Paris is not Antarctica, so deppe didn't move there to get away from the paparazzi.

Hey look, I know Hollywood libs too well for this, but lets say just hypothetically that I'm wrong; that deppe's above illustrated selectivity-of-criticism and odd choice of a relocation to france (for a patriot) is not what it seems. Well then at the very least he would be guilty of really poor discretion as far as doing two things that make him a solid sean penn or any other unequivocal antiamerican Hollywood lib.

Let me tell you something: I despised bush before and especially after seeing what he did for two terms - long before it became fashionable among the now outspoken teaparty, conservatives, etc; I hated the Iraq and Afghanistan wars far more than the libs, but for a very different reason.  But you know what?  If I was in Germany or France or anywhere on foreign soil, and someone stuck a microphone in my face, I would never - NEVER, EVER - criticize my country, president, or our policies. Not because they are not deserving of criticism, but because simply because i have too much dignity and respect for my country (as it was when it was great), and its mounting lost and maimed soldiers, to voice it in a place where Americans, americanisms, and all things American, are reviled by the majority of the people and government officials. I would never defile myself by pandering to that sentiment and allow myself to be whored like that by foreign media.

So respectfully, i do have my facts straight, but I just may hold Americans to a higher standard; and I appreciate your viewpoint, but I stand by my previous statement as well. 

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Re: The Lone Ranger is kinda anti gun.
« Reply #14 on: July 07, 2013, 08:25:15 AM »
Kingkeoni said,

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It's a good thing to whip someone's ass or get an ass whipping like a man.

A fight is no reason to pull a gun. Too many pussies go out and get a gun because they can't fight.

If you can't get your ass kicked without reaching for a gun then you shouldn't own a gun.

Colt808, BUD, and Rdi chimed in with their approval.

Without putting words in your mouths, can I therefore assume you guys don't consider "disparity of force" or "in fear of grave bodily harm or death" as legitimate reasons to use a firearm in self-defense?

And  what of the wheelchair-bound person being attacked by an able-bodied person?  He or she shouldn't own a gun?

You know as well as I do that fists can be deadly.

Your comments would be welcome after you read this, from The Munchkin Wrangler, AKA Marko Kloos

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Why the gun is civilization
By Marko Kloos

Human beings only have two ways to deal with one another: reason and force. If you want me to do something for you, you have a choice of either convincing me via argument, or force me to do your bidding under threat of force. Every human interaction falls into one of those two categories, without exception. Reason or force, that’s it.

In a truly moral and civilized society, people exclusively interact through persuasion. Force has no place as a valid method of social interaction, and the only thing that removes force from the menu is the personal firearm, as paradoxical as it may sound to some.

When I carry a gun, you cannot deal with me by force. You have to use reason and try to persuade me, because I have a way to negate your threat or employment of force. The gun is the only personal weapon that puts a 100-pound woman on equal footing with a 220-pound mugger, a 75-year old retiree on equal footing with a 19-year old gangbanger, and a single gay guy on equal footing with a carload of drunk guys with baseball bats. The gun removes the disparity in physical strength, size, or numbers between a potential attacker and a defender.

There are plenty of people who consider the gun as the source of bad force equations. These are the people who think that we’d be more civilized if all guns were removed from society, because a firearm makes it easier for a mugger to do his job. That, of course, is only true if the mugger’s potential victims are mostly disarmed either by choice or by legislative fiat–it has no validity when most of a mugger’s potential marks are armed. People who argue for the banning of arms ask for automatic rule by the young, the strong, and the many, and that’s the exact opposite of a civilized society. A mugger, even an armed one, can only make a successful living in a society where the state has granted him a force monopoly.

Then there’s the argument that the gun makes confrontations lethal that otherwise would only result in injury. This argument is fallacious in several ways. Without guns involved, confrontations are won by the physically superior party inflicting overwhelming injury on the loser. People who think that fists, bats, sticks, or stones don’t constitute lethal force watch too much TV, where people take beatings and come out of it with a bloody lip at worst. The fact that the gun makes lethal force easier works solely in favor of the weaker defender, not the stronger attacker. If both are armed, the field is level. The gun is the only weapon that’s as lethal in the hands of an octogenarian as it is in the hands of a weightlifter. It simply wouldn’t work as well as a force equalizer if it wasn’t both lethal and easily employable.

When I carry a gun, I don’t do so because I am looking for a fight, but because I’m looking to be left alone. The gun at my side means that I cannot be forced, only persuaded. I don’t carry it because I’m afraid, but because it enables me to be unafraid. It doesn’t limit the actions of those who would interact with me through reason, only the actions of those who would do so by force. It removes force from the equation…and that’s why carrying a gun is a civilized act.

Do you wish to refine your comments now?

Respectfully submitted,

Terry, 230RN
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Kingkeoni

Re: The Lone Ranger is kinda anti gun.
« Reply #15 on: July 07, 2013, 08:52:18 AM »
Do you wish to refine your comments now?

Respectfully submitted,

Terry, 230RN

Nope.

I stand by my assessment that there are pussies out there that carry or buy a gun because they are looking for trouble.

There are legitimate reasons to carry a gun as you've so eloquently quoted but nevertheless there is the other side of the coin.

It's a good thing to whip someone's ass or get an ass whipping like a man.

A fight is no reason to pull a gun. Too many pussies go out and get a gun because they can't fight.

If you can't get your ass kicked without reaching for a gun then you shouldn't own a gun.


A mutually consensual fight is no reason to pull a gun. Anyone who does so is a downright pussy that shouldn't own firearms.

A disparity of force, a robbery, a burglary, protecting lives are all valid reasons to pull a gun.
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The Lone Ranger is kinda anti gun.
« Reply #16 on: July 07, 2013, 09:19:18 AM »
It's like this lethal monkey dance illustrated by Chuck Norris.

I think, therefore I am armed.
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