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aieahound

Re: HPD wont accept prior military training in lieu of gun waiver
« Reply #80 on: April 07, 2016, 02:11:15 PM »
So, technically, you could offer (to supplement an old 3/3 affidavit) a class that provided 1 hour of classroom instruction. On completion you would offer an affidavit that said you provided 1 hour of classroom training. The student would go to HPD with his "old" affidavit and his new one and present to officer the documents to satisfy the current 4/2 requirements. Do you really think that HPD is going to accept that? I doubt it.....

Couldn't someone offer a 1 hour class for those with the old certificates then just issue a new 4 & 2 certificate ?
So long as they have the old affidavit it's just supplementing and totally honest as far as I can see.

London808

Re: HPD wont accept prior military training in lieu of gun waiver
« Reply #81 on: April 07, 2016, 02:16:28 PM »
Couldn't someone offer a 1 hour class for those with the old certificates then just issue a new 4 & 2 certificate ?
So long as they have the old affidavit.
No, the affidavit must state that they had 4 and 2,  How would the person teaching the new one know what was taught already.
Again im going to go with some one needs to put it to the test, Buy a handgun knowing they having an older affidavit and then challenge the law in court. Requiring training for some one that already owns a firearm has no effect on safety and is only required as a hindrance to there 2A rights.

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London808

Re: HPD wont accept prior military training in lieu of gun waiver
« Reply #82 on: April 07, 2016, 02:19:19 PM »
I would even go as far as syaing that the time is not required to be on the affidavit

(4)  A firearms training or safety course or class conducted by a state certified or National Rifle Association certified firearms instructor or a certified military firearms instructor that provides, at a minimum, a total of at least two hours of firing training at a firing range and a total of at least four hours of classroom instruction, which may include a video, that focuses on:

         (A)  The safe use, handling, and storage of firearms and firearm safety in the home; and
         (B)  Education on the firearm laws of the State.

          An affidavit signed by the certified firearms instructor who conducted or taught the course, providing the name, address, and phone number of the instructor and attesting to the successful completion of the course by the applicant shall constitute evidence of certified successful completion under this paragraph.
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aieahound

Re: HPD wont accept prior military training in lieu of gun waiver
« Reply #83 on: April 07, 2016, 02:24:05 PM »
I would even go as far as syaing that the time is not required to be on the affidavit

(4)  A firearms training or safety course or class conducted by a state certified or National Rifle Association certified firearms instructor or a certified military firearms instructor that provides, at a minimum, a total of at least two hours of firing training at a firing range and a total of at least four hours of classroom instruction, which may include a video, that focuses on:

         (A)  The safe use, handling, and storage of firearms and firearm safety in the home; and
         (B)  Education on the firearm laws of the State.

          An affidavit signed by the certified firearms instructor who conducted or taught the course, providing the name, address, and phone number of the instructor and attesting to the successful completion of the course by the applicant shall constitute evidence of certified successful completion under this paragraph.

So all the class needs to teach is 1 hour of A & B above and they're good to go. 4 & 2 achieved. New affidavit issued. ( provided they have the old affidavit.)

Or they could go to court.....
« Last Edit: April 07, 2016, 02:31:02 PM by aieahound »

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Re: HPD wont accept prior military training in lieu of gun waiver
« Reply #84 on: April 07, 2016, 02:27:54 PM »
So all the class needs to teach is 1 hour of A & B above and they're good to go. 4 & 2 achieved. ( provided they have the old affidavit.)

Sounds good on the surface, however I wouldn't be signing anything unless I KNOW what was previously taught.  Unless I was at the other course or was familiar with the instructor(s) teaching the course, there's no way I could attest to what was taught.  I'd sooner offer the individual a seat in one of my upcoming courses (at a very deeply discounted rate) so I know what was taught, how it was taught and if I'm ever called into court to testify as to the training and methods used, I'm able to do so with confidence. 
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aieahound

Re: HPD wont accept prior military training in lieu of gun waiver
« Reply #85 on: April 07, 2016, 02:40:57 PM »
Your Honor,

I trained Mr./Ms. Smith on safe use, handling and storage of a firearm and firearm safety in the home. I also educated him/her on firearm laws in the State.
My course was supplemental to his/her prior course and you would need to call the prior instructor to the stand for any additional training and to review the live fire training.
I did verify the students identification and notary stamped affidavit prior to the issuance of a new affidavit.
That is all.

Wouldn't work ?
Maybe not.
I don't know.

London808

Re: HPD wont accept prior military training in lieu of gun waiver
« Reply #86 on: April 07, 2016, 02:49:56 PM »
Your Honor,

I trained Mr./Ms. Smith on safe use, handling and storage of a firearm and firearm safety in the home. I also educated him/her on firearm laws in the State.
My course was supplemental to his/her prior course and you would need to call the prior instructor to the stand for any additional training and to review the live fire training.
I did verify the students identification and notary stamped affidavit prior to the issuance of a new affidavit.
That is all.

Wouldn't work ?
Maybe not.
I don't know.


No, because you coudlent say what they learnt in the first course they took, The law requires 4 hours to cover everything if they only have 3 hours previously how would you know what the additional hour would supplement.
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