Roger that KK.

That's why I'd like to meet you. 

Volunteer to plan the August Pau Hana ? 

You're right, it is different when you actually know the folks.

After meeting them, they changed their attitude and demeanor.

Chee! 

Someone threatened your life or worse and you walked away/called cops funtimes? Damn

I've had my life threatened on numerous occasions.  I have called the police on even more occasions.  I have had escorts to doors; I have had officers help me apprehend individuals as well.  Let me tell you stories about the "little haole that could."!

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Wow. In the civilian world I've had my life threatened once or twice but I never felt it was a legit threat. So all that proof isn't enough for a ccw here huh? Sad

Some more videos from KITV4

KITV4 Deedy murder trial day six, part one (Alexander Byrd)


KITV4 Deedy murder trial day six, part two (Alexander Byrd)

Wow. In the civilian world I've had my life threatened once or twice but I never felt it was a legit threat. So all that proof isn't enough for a ccw here huh? Sad

Yep.  As a process server / bail bondsman, they don't see how going after felons who skip trial or sentencing, delivering TRO extensions, serving clients with divorce papers, being around peoples property at night, carrying large sums of cash, or any that other really fun stuff (dogs!) has an increased need.  Yet - the bank can protect their money with guns.

KITV4 Deedy murder trial day six, part two (Alexander Byrd)

If Byrd is credible I think Deedy is screwed.

Yeah, if Byrd is correct and Deedy shot first before Elderts took a swing, that really makes a HUGE difference.  Maybe he think he's Judge Dredd?

Additionally, Byrd's testimony makes Deedy seem like an angry drunk with a badge. 

If Byrd is credible I think Deedy is screwed.

Apparently he gave an entirely different account of the events that night to the police.

If Elderts was indeed told by Deedy that he was LEO but fought hi anyways leading to the first fall, and then subsequently also rushing Deedy, grabbing his weapon arm, which at that point even that other LEO told all of Hawaii said deadly force was appropriate, then we are going to see another Z-type justified decision.

I think.

Byrd testified for a l full day over a 2 day period. We're just seeing 2 minutes.

Based on the newspaper account, Byrd admitted he didn't see the whole Deedy/Elderts encounter and didn't see Deedy show credentials, but couldn't say he didn't miss it.

Elderts dropped Deedy before he pulled his gun, so he certainly didn't shoot Elderts before he took a swing. He pulled his gun on the second go round.

It's like Fun keeps saying ( and some others ). Was he in fear for his life or serious bodily harm when the shots were fired ?

Sounds like Elderts was on him.
Also sounds like KKs "french army" theory that no one goes toward a gunman when shots are fired is out the window.    ( Just causing trouble in good fun )
Witness testifies that Elderts was trying to control Deedy's hands/wrists after first shot fired.

Deeedy cetainly could have felt that he was trying to be overpowered and have his gun taken away. ( and possibly shoved up his ass. Am I allowed to say ass ? )
Which Elderts was probably trying to do to save his own life as shots already fired. To get the gun away, not necessarily, but possibly, to shove it up Deedy's ass,

Was Deedy drunk ? No intoxication tests but so far a lot of prosecution circumstantial evidence witnesses, including HPD.
Defense will probably have their own witnesses saying Deedy had one beer. ( Deedy's friends )

Did he act in a reasonable manner ? 
defense blocking all witness opinions of was it reasonable/necessary to pull out a gun as witnesses are not experts. 
They're trying to get their own expert to testify about this.

Legally and assholey this is 2 different discussions.

i noticed he refers to elderts by his first name
is he a friend?

Apparently he gave an entirely different account of the events that night to the police.

Wow ! good catch Mac.

yes i heard Byrd say "Collin" and "Deedy" also. 

 

we dentites are very detail oriented
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Wow ! good catch Mac.

jl is very detail oriented too
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yes i heard Byrd say "Collin" and "Deedy" also. 

 

KHON2 video - Former Marine describes threat made before deadly shooting


KHON2's report seem to suggest that Deedy pulled out his gun after falling on the ground.  Now I am confused.

KITV - shot then swing
KHON - swing then shot

Bad media reporting by KITV4 or KHON2?  Both stations were both listening to the same witness testimony, right?

Apparently he gave an entirely different account of the events that night to the police.

I saw that.  Prosecution witness.  Defense will try to discredit him.