http://abusingtheprivilege.blogspot.com/

KEEP HAWAII HAWAII!!!  We do not need this in OUR beloved State Aloha

Hey Defend Hawaii,
I've removed some of the content of the post because it was just a copy and paste of another blog and anyone can just go there to read.

Can I ask, why do you feel people should be allowed to carry? Is it both open carry or concealed carry or both? Did you actually apply for a concealed carry permit?

2A HAWAII,


I did not apply for CCW.  I did apply to be a Police Officer.

This 2nd Ammendent is so gray and we all have differerent interpretations of it.

Not to be a D::K or anything but i am just expressing my point of view on CCW in Hawaii.


Happy Holidays

Actually, it's not gray. It's claimed to be gray only by people who don't like what's plainly written there and try to interpret it in their own words. Then, their interpreted version is spread like gospel. One only needs to read it.

http://www.armed-citizens.com/ArmedCitizens/ArmedCitizens.aspx <-- September

http://www.nrapublications.org/AC/index.asp <-- October

If all you want to look at is CCW, then by all means pick them out and read only those in the links, just keep in mind that for every one you disagree that they were able to defend themselves, you're advocating their serious injury or death. That's just a fact, not a guess or feelings.

Unfortunately, your link is of the bad apples variation. Just like a few bad hunters paints all hunters as drunk law-breakers with guns.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with expressing your views. At the very least, opposing views gives me things to think about, if unable to change them.

 

2A,

He's saying keep CCW out of Hawaii. You can review his previous posts and it's clear he is anti-CCW. Just clearing up any confusion.

2A HAWAII,


I did not apply for CCW.  I did apply to be a Police Officer.

This 2nd Ammendent is so gray and we all have differerent interpretations of it.

Not to be a D::K or anything but i am just expressing my point of view on CCW in Hawaii.


Happy Holidays

Actually, all you've posted up a link to a blog with a bunch of sensational news stories.  I've yet to see any sort of tangible argument out of you as to why CCW would be bad for the people of Hawaii. 

I just turned in my CCW permit today....  It is called the City and County of Honolulu Metropolitan Police Application.  At first i was fustrated by the strict gun laws in Hawaii, but hell it is what it is, plus i always wanted to be a police officer.     Good luck to all of you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

If i am not mistaken all you folks are allowed to carry on your personal property (home or work).  Not to be mean or anything but you all act like lil bitchedsabout ccw.  If you really truly wanna feel safe learn a martial art or become law enforcement then you can carry all the guns you want.  Until then i suggest u all quit your moaning, bitching, and crying....... Except for randomn acts of violence (uesugi, Mau Gofredo, ewa beach stabbing) violent life threatening crimes do not really happen.  Really guys you gonna point your lil pistol at some sole who decided to give you a stink eye after u said something stupid to him?  Bottom line is this, THIS IS HAWAII NOT THE MAINLAND...  IF YOU DO NOT LIKE OUR CCW LAWS GO BACK TO THE MAINLAND...  KEEP HAWAII HAWAII!!!!!!!!!!!!!  Aloha Oe, Mele Kalikimaka... Take care and have a safe Holiday Season....

Police officers are allowed to CCW in Hawaii.  You applied to be a police officer.  One can only conclude that you think CCW is acceptable for some people in Hawaii, but not others.

Defend,
In one of your previous posts you said,

So let me get this straight,  In the State of Hawaii we are at the mercy of the Chief of Police for CCW???    Thats messed up!!!!  As a United States Citizen i feel that this is against our Constitutional Rights.  Cmon HPD how many more poor innocent people are gonna get hurt before u allow us responsible gun owners to legally carry our firearms.

Fellow 2A members i know that i am new but i am a voice that needs to be heard.   



Aloha,

And yet, in many others, you now have seemed to have changed your mind.

I do not know what your intentions here are, and everyone is entitled to an opinion.  However, this web forum is here for like minded, freedom loving, Americans to discuss how we can get our freedoms restored.  Not for you to spread your miss informed anti-gun sentiment. 

 

Quote from: Defend Hawaii on December 23, 2010, 09:21:09 AM

2A HAWAII,


I did not apply for CCW.  I did apply to be a Police Officer.

This 2nd Ammendent is so gray and we all have differerent interpretations of it.

Not to be a D::K or anything but i am just expressing my point of view on CCW in Hawaii.


Happy Holidays

Actually, all you've posted up a link to a blog with a bunch of sensational news stories.  I've yet to see any sort of tangible argument out of you as to why CCW would be bad for the people of Hawaii. 

Police officers are allowed to CCW in Hawaii.  You applied to be a police officer.  One can only conclude that you think CCW is acceptable for some people in Hawaii, but not others.

Police Officers are sworn to protect 24/7.  They are required to carry GUN, Badge, ID, and hundcuffs at all times.....


Eh i realize that most of you would be responsible CCW holders, but the danger of none responsible CCW holders is just to great.  As passionate about CCW u are i am very afraid that in the wrong hands CCW HAWAII would be a mess....

Defend,
In one of your previous posts you said,

Quote

So let me get this straight,  In the State of Hawaii we are at the mercy of the Chief of Police for CCW???    Thats messed up!!!!  As a United States Citizen i feel that this is against our Constitutional Rights.  Cmon HPD how many more poor innocent people are gonna get hurt before u allow us responsible gun owners to legally carry our firearms.

Fellow 2A members i know that i am new but i am a voice that needs to be heard.   



Aloha,

And yet, in many others, you now have seemed to have changed your mind.

I do not know what your intentions here are, and everyone is entitled to an opinion.  However, this web forum is here for like minded, freedom loving, Americans to discuss how we can get our freedoms restored.  Not for you to spread your miss informed anti-gun sentiment.

Check my post that was my first one or 2.  Thats what happens when u do not lock your computer at work

Eh i realize that most of you would be responsible CCW holders, but the danger of none responsible CCW holders is just to great.  As passionate about CCW u are i am very afraid that in the wrong hands CCW HAWAII would be a mess....

Please read about other states that switched over from no-issue to shall-issue. I am pleading that you read that. Those who have dignity admitted that their fears were unfound once they switched.

Police Officers are sworn to protect 24/7.  They are required to carry GUN, Badge, ID, and hundcuffs at all times.....


Eh i realize that most of you would be responsible CCW holders, but the danger of none responsible CCW holders is just to great.  As passionate about CCW u are i am very afraid that in the wrong hands CCW HAWAII would be a mess....

Guns are in the hands of the wrong people all the time, every day-- we call them "criminals".  By definition criminals do not obey the law, so stricter gun laws and limiting gun rights (such as not having CCW) only limits the good and honest citizens who obey the law.   You even made mention of some of these criminals:

..Except for randomn acts of violence (uesugi, Mau Gofredo, ewa beach stabbing) violent life threatening crimes do not really happen.  Really guys you gonna point your lil pistol at some sole who decided to give you a stink eye after u said something stupid to him?

 

The police did not and could not prevent these crimes from happening.  Could an armed citizen have?  Perhaps. 

I have a kitchen full of knives, a garage full of power tools, and a 2000+ lb automobile.  The same can be said more or less for any adult.  Yet we don't see people hacking each other up with meat cleavers, dismembering each other with power tools, or running each other over with cars whenever they get mad, because the vast majority of society are good and decent people.  A firearm is just another tool.  So why then, if we have all these other tools that can be used for evil but very rarely are, do you expect citizens with a firearm to be any different? 

Check my post that was my first one or 2.  Thats what happens when u do not lock your computer at work

Still don't get it.  So what is it you do, and why did you become a member here?

Are sworn, it is NOT their duty to protect you.

Warren v. District of Columbia, 444 A.2d 1 (D.C. 1981).
"...a government and its agencies are under no general duty to provide public services, such as police protection, to any particular individual citizen..." -Warren v. District of Columbia, 444 A.2d 1 (D.C. App. 1981)

"Law enforcement agencies and personnel have no duty to protect individuals from the criminal acts of others; instead their duty is to preserve the peace and arrest law breakers for the protection of the general public."
Lynch v. N.C. Dept. of Justice, 376 S.E. 2nd 247 (N.C. App. 1989)

and lastly...

SUPREME COURT OF THE UNITED STATES No. 04-278 TOWN OF CASTLE ROCK, COLORADO, PETITIONER v. JESSICA GONZALES, INDIVIDUALLY AND AS NEXT BEST FRIEND OF HER DECEASED MINOR CHILDREN, REBECCA GONZALES, KATHERYN GONZALES, AND LESLIE GONZALES
On June 27, in the case of Castle Rock v. Gonzales, the Supreme Court found that Jessica Gonzales did not have a constitutional right to individual police protection even in the presence of a restraining order. Mrs. Gonzales' husband with a track record of violence, stabbing Mrs. Gonzales to death, Mrs. Gonzales' family could not get the Supreme Court to change their unanimous decision for one's individual protection.

This is the LAW DH. Not conjecture. Law enforcement agencies are NOT required to protect YOU. This is why CCW is so important, it gives everyone a fighting chance at defending themselves. Criminals by definition will not follow the law, and will carry a firearm no matter what.

http://abusingtheprivilege.blogspot.com/

KEEP HAWAII HAWAII!!!  We do not need this in OUR beloved State Aloha

bboytum?  found your way over from FH ahh? 

by the way, born n raised

Check my post that was my first one or 2.  Thats what happens when u do not lock your computer at work

So which are you, the first or the second persona?

Quote from: Defend Hawaii on December 23, 2010, 11:16:23 AM

Check my post that was my first one or 2.  Thats what happens when u do not lock your computer at work

So which are you, the first or the second persona?

He switches to the one that favors his own personal agenda.  He's a regular ol joe,  he supports ccw.  He thinks hes going to be a cop,  he supports ccw for leo only.

bboytum?  found your way over from FH ahh? 

Exactly what I was thinking.

Oh bradda.

Quote from: Defend Hawaii on December 23, 2010, 11:16:23 AM

Check my post that was my first one or 2.  Thats what happens when u do not lock your computer at work

So which are you, the first or the second persona?

Mr. Hawaii 2A.


I am against CCW in Hawaii.  Sorry for the confusion...

Quote from: Defend Hawaii on December 23, 2010, 08:08:10 AM

http://abusingtheprivilege.blogspot.com/

KEEP HAWAII HAWAII!!!  We do not need this in OUR beloved State Aloha

bboytum?  found your way over from FH ahh? 

by the way, born n raised

I have no idea what you are talking about!!