Though Go Gun isn't in the parts business, Craig was nice enough to slide me a disconnector spring today, so I could finish my shade tree Saiga conversion tonight. True aloha, mahalo guyz!

Been looking at their saiga12s. I don't have much money but I think I'm  gonna get me that Good Guy Tac12 and have them shoot some lava shield on it.....

You guys and you Saiga shotties...lets see who can fire 8 rounds the fastest and on target.  Your Saiga VS my M1 super 90.

Wait..we all have to shoot S L O W, so the rangemaster won't have to yell at us..

Is Go Gun a gun shop?

I drove up to the address presented on the website and when I got there it looked like it was abandond. I emailed the company and "Cem Esteban" emailed me back saying its an online store only. Don't know what it is but I really want a Saiga12...maybe cause with the conversion it looks jus like my AK but jumbo sized......

I got all my tromix saiga stuff from MississippiAutoArms and put it together in a few hours (few weeks if you include waiting for them to send me the wrong parts, twice.) i had heard of gogun from a friend of mine and seen a few pictures but have never been there. Sounds like they have some great machinery and they make real nice stuff too.

Ross1459, did you do the whole pistol conversion and moved the trigger assembly forward? I was gonna order everything but I don't know how to weld the old exsisting holes.. I was concerned about the welding to cover up the holes and the duracoating.. GoGun says they have "LavaShield" it's sounds like it's more heavy duty than the Duracoat... By the way thanks for the feed back..

You don't need to weld the holes, but it does make it nicer. You can buy little black plastic plugs from the hardware store or you can get them from a Saiga conversion shop.

So is GoGun strictly online now and is E-Tac and the physical shop no longer? Has anyone ordered a complete gun from them online? I always wanted to buy a converted Saiga from them but they were impossible to get ahold of (by phone, email AND in person) from my experience and other's. I'm afraid I would be less likely to do business with them if they went strictly online unless they have improved their customer service greatly. I'd prefer to deal with them face to face, especially when buying a custom gun. Looks like someone got an email back from them so that's a start I guess. I hope to do business with them one day because I heard they do good work and I would rather support local businesses.

I did not have to weld any holes. The tromix trigger guard with the integral grip screw nut covers the old trigger holes with the pistol grip. The MSAutoarms internal stock adapter covers the hole in the rear of the receiver with the mounting bolts for the stock and also bolts through the receiver using the two holes originally used to mount the rear fire control - you would have to weld them shut if you chose to weld the rear receiver plate on. It was honestly cake to do.

One important note: the magazine counts as 3 parts - magazine, follower, and spring. As far as i can calculate, you cannot remain 922(r) compliant, using the russian magazine, without having a US made receiver or barrel, neither of which exist. I see people at the range doing this, but i dont bother them because i dont know them.

One important note: the magazine counts as 3 parts - magazine, follower, and spring. As far as i can calculate, you cannot remain 922(r) compliant, using the russian magazine, without having a US made receiver or barrel, neither of which exist. I see people at the range doing this, but i dont bother them because i dont know them.

That's not quite true. As the Saiga starts out, it has 14 foreign made parts (on the rifle at least). By replacing the fire control group (disconnector, hammer, trigger) you are down to 11. From there you just need to replace one more part to get down to 922(r) compliance (usually the buttstock).

Here is a nifty calculator for the lazy to help out http://gunwiki.net/Gunwiki/BuildSaigaVerifyCompliance

One important note: the magazine counts as 3 parts - magazine, follower, and spring. As far as i can calculate, you cannot remain 922(r) compliant, using the russian magazine, without having a US made receiver or barrel, neither of which exist. I see people at the range doing this, but i dont bother them because i dont know them.

According to gunwiki, the magazine does not count towards the 10 parts:

TheDrickel, of Calguns, has pointed out to me a very favorable letter from BATFE. The letter in question is scanned in as two pages (Page 1 and Page 2). In this letter, it is stated that constructive possession does not apply to magazines, when using magazine parts in order to achieve 922(r) compliance. This is very nice, because conventional wisdom in the past has been that if your rifle needs US-made magazine parts in order to be 922(r) compliant, that you had to convert ALL your magazines to have the same number of domestically built parts in order for it to count.

Source: http://gunwiki.net/Gunwiki/LegalFederal922rParts

According to gunwiki, the magazine does not count towards the 10 parts:

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TheDrickel, of Calguns, has pointed out to me a very favorable letter from BATFE. The letter in question is scanned in as two pages (Page 1 and Page 2). In this letter, it is stated that constructive possession does not apply to magazines, when using magazine parts in order to achieve 922(r) compliance. This is very nice, because conventional wisdom in the past has been that if your rifle needs US-made magazine parts in order to be 922(r) compliant, that you had to convert ALL your magazines to have the same number of domestically built parts in order for it to count.

Source: http://gunwiki.net/Gunwiki/LegalFederal922rParts

Actually this post is stating that the magazines do count towards 922(r) compliance, and even better than that, only the magazine inserted into the gun determines whether you are complaint or not.

Tricky...I know.

Constructive possession is a term where the BATFE thinks it's possible for you to make something illegal so even having the parts is illegal. The letter is stating that having foreign made magazines while you are using US made magazines in your AK is OK.

I won't even begin to talk about how the BATFE can change it's opinion, even if stated in an official letter, at any time.

Very interresting thread to start concerning 922(r) compliance...I will start it now cause this is good to know more about....

I posted in the thread in legal.

Yes, foreign magazines are just parts until they are attached to the gun, at which point they are parts of the gun. Constructive possession is ATF mind reading. It never goes in your favor. So this letter states that owning a russian magazine and never using it in your 922(r) rifle is ok. Owning a rifle and a short barrel and never putting them together is possession with intent to construct an unregistered SBR -the same trip to club fed as if you were to have actually made it.