Yep.....and what's breathtaking is how the prosecution uses the race card AGAINST DEEDY!  The mental gymnastics is breathtaking:   saying 'f'ing haole' does not make ELDERTS racist, but deedy being legitimately advised of such racism, makes HIM racist! 

Remember a few years back, when the 'white' sheriff was shot by the local guy, who had an illegal firearm? I find it interesting that case never garnered this much local publicity, nor did I see any of the people 'demanding justice' when a when the white guy was shot. It's evident that there is extreme prejudice, as well as underlying racial issues, in regards to deedy's case.

If Deedy is "LEO", then we should look at his actions to the standards that we would expect of a LEO.  If he has LEO powers on duty and off duty 24 hours, he should be fit for duty 24 hours too.   That's junk imo. How would that even be possible?  You don't lose your powers every time you crack a Heineken.  Even in the Navy, we are "on duty" and people drink then too.  On Canadian warships they have beer limits per day.

No, you should not have to be fit for duty 24 hours a day.[/b]That's what you would expect of a LEO right? Maybe that's what you expect, but I would wholeheartedly disagree. 
Someone going bar hopping and drunk (was he? For Deedy's sake, they don't know, as he was smart enough to refuse all testing. ) should not be acting LEO that night.  Do you really think cops don't drink? Come on man - that is such a dreamed up thought.  They drink all the time. Do they get shitfaced? We hope not.  But most of them are still probably not far away from a gun. Just because your drinking, doesn't mean you stop being a LEO.  Let's say you are coming from zanza bar and you witness a rape, are you saying don't intervene because you had a few mai tais?

I agree, we need to hear the whole story.

It'll be interesting to hear what law Elderts was breaking that required LEO intervention.  Other than being a dick. He was sitting at a table when approached.

He didn't appear violent in the video when Deedy approached him. While his girlfriend was trying to pull Deedy away.
Why not tell him to get his ass on the ground and put his hands behind his back. credentials and gun out, until HPD arrives if he was breaking the law ?
Did he tell anyone to call 911 after being assaulted and knocked on his ass ? ...........

There needs to be a distinction between a private citizen with CCW and and LEO carrying.  Not the same thing.

A private citizen can walk away and LEO may not be able to walk away.  Again video is bad, there's no audio, and eyewitnesses are notoriously inaccurate so we don't know for sure what was said and when it was said.

If he wasn't impaired, why not submit to the test?

Yes you're right. At some point though, one becomes unfit for duty if judgment becomes impaired. Isn't that why they say not to mix alcohol and firearms? Being a LEO doesn't make one immune from intoxicants.

As for the Navy, isn't that why alcohol got replaced with coffee and monster drink?

Whether cops drink or not isn't really the question. The question is, does the fact they do make it right?  No, it doesn't.

Cops and other public figures are supposed to be upheld to a higher standard. It's about up keeping the public trust that they swore an oath to when they chose to serve.

Because he has a constitutional right to not incriminate himself? Let's say he did have one - of those nine drinks.  Would that sufficiently impair him? I would say the answer to that depends on your bartender.  However, even if he took it and blew like .04 - people wil still ruffle their feathers.

When an individual is in trouble, we never, ever, want to assist the other side.  You can say what you want, but until you start pulling yourself over for hitting 56 on the freeway - and send in a $100 check to the State -- I just don't see where a normal person would ever want to help the other side punish them.  This applies to DUI, speeding, fraud, murder - whatever crime you want to think of.  Put yourselves in their shoes. Would you want to go to prison?

One could make a case for;
1. Terroristic threatening
2. Drunk and disorderly
3. Failure to comply (if Deedy identified himself)
if LEOs want to detain/question you there are a lot of things that they can bring up.  Don't mistake this for someone actually being charged, but it could get you handcuffed, arrested, etc.

I'll put another argument forth.  If an LEO is expected to be fit 24 hours a day then that means they must never sleep correct? 

Because he has a constitutional right to not incriminate himself? Let's say he did have one - of those nine drinks.  Would that sufficiently impair him? I would say the answer to that depends on your bartender.  However, even if he took it and blew like .04 - people wil still ruffle their feathers.

When an individual is in trouble, we never, ever, want to assist the other side.  You can say what you want, but until you start pulling yourself over for hitting 56 on the freeway - and send in a $100 check to the State -- I just don't see where a normal person would ever want to help the other side punish them.  This applies to DUI, speeding, fraud, murder - whatever crime you want to think of.  Put yourselves in their shoes. Would you want to go to prison?

Hawaii has a law that can require a mandatory blood test for alcohol/drugs in a fatal car accident but not in a fatal shooting.
It would be interesting if someone invoked their 5th amendment right in fatal car crash with suspected negligent homicide.

Hawaii has a law that can require a mandatory blood test for alcohol/drugs in a fatal car accident but not in a fatal shooting.
It would be interesting if someone invoked their 5th amendment right in fatal car crash with suspected negligent homicide.

I was wondering about that, but is it mandatory in the sense that they can take a blood sample even if you refuse to provide?  Or is it like refusing to submit to a BAC after a DUI arrest where you basically foreit your license for a period of time?