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General Topics => General Discussion => Topic started by: HiCarry on December 06, 2013, 05:42:30 PM
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Just got word that the Kokohead rifle range is closed indefinitely.
Not sure of anything else although there was mention that "emergency" repair work will be expedited once the solution is determined.
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Just got word that the Kokohead rifle range is closed indefinitely.
Not sure of anything else although there was mention that "emergency" repair work will be expedited once the solution is determined.
ok, guys
who's got media contacts?
get a film crew to the range
let everyone know when to show up and let's get some coverage on this
we need a show of force
not literally, of course
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:wtf:
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Septic tank troubles again?
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Septic tank troubles again?
Let's hope that's all it is. Blue rooms will suffice.
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Knudsen found another bullet??? Nothing on his Twitter feed yet...
https://twitter.com/gerGnesdunK (https://twitter.com/gerGnesdunK)
:popcorn:
If it is related to the bathroom, why can the model RC field at the Kailua swamp can get a brand spanking new bathroom and the range which has a LOT more users has to deal with this sh!t ?!
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My friend said there was 2 incidents of ricochets today which caused the range to be closed until investigation is complete. pistol & silhouette
Ranges are still open.
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That's suck for you guys. I was hoping to swing by next month when we come up to Oahu. :'(
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Yup, just heard on HHN. Only rifle range closed tomorrow. The clip said just tomorrow but double check for Sunday. Mentioned two recent "incidents."
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My friend said there was 2 incidents of ricochets today which caused the range to be closed until investigation is complete. pistol & silhouette
Ranges are still open.
Above is confirmed. More stray bullets today so rifle range was shuttered. News just reported this.
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Just saw the email from the rangemaster. The City Administration decided to close the rifle range till "emergency repairs" are made. Well, if getting the roof repaired is any indication of how long that will take... :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( x million
So its not a bathroom issue but reports of "stray bullets".
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Kind of funny after all these years how these" incidents" keep occuring so close together all of a sudden since 1 particular person who by the way is a wierdo :wacko: feels like some kind of power trip he wants to shut this range down. We as fellow " mericans " needs to shut down these tyranis types with swift and with prejudice means... meaningstand up and support or 2A rights people don't be fooled by the propaganda. O0
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Don't hold your breath about getting this fixed. Caldwell only cares about rail, everything else can wait.. or go away.
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KITV quoted Caldwell as wanting to do repairs to the berm and also install a visual overhang on the roof. How long could "emergency" mitigation and repairs take?
http://www.kitv.com/news/hawaii/stray-bullets-close-koko-head-rifle-range/-/8905354/23367048/-/xka0nhz/-/index.html (http://www.kitv.com/news/hawaii/stray-bullets-close-koko-head-rifle-range/-/8905354/23367048/-/xka0nhz/-/index.html)
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:wtf: :wtf: :wtf:
Ok what is going on here!?!?!?? What is the issue when people are now restricted to 100 yards?
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KITV quoted Caldwell as wanting to do repairs to the berm and also install a visual overhang on the roof. How long could "emergency" mitigation and repairs take?
http://www.kitv.com/news/hawaii/stray-bullets-close-koko-head-rifle-range/-/8905354/23367048/-/xka0nhz/-/index.html (http://www.kitv.com/news/hawaii/stray-bullets-close-koko-head-rifle-range/-/8905354/23367048/-/xka0nhz/-/index.html)
well, if the City vends it out... project overview/definition, design, RFP, submit bids, awards bid, actual project underway....2015 and beyond?
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:wtf: :wtf: :wtf:
Ok what is going on here!?!?!?? What is the issue when people are now restricted to 100 yards?
I can only guess given the statement by the mayor about "overhangs" and the recent photographs taken my Mr. Knudsen...that there is "evidence" we are aiming above the mountain? I can only surmise that these photos were given to the Mayor by a cat lover of some sorts?
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Guess I'll just reload pistol cartridges for the next year or so. >:( >:( >:(
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well, if the City vends it out... project overview/definition, design, RFP, submit bids, awards bid, actual project underway....2015 and beyond?
Not what I was hoping to hear. I figured that would be the process. Was just hoping that emergency measures meant they could install overhead baffles out over the front of the firing line and bulldoze the berm back into shape in a couple weeks.
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Maybe till after obunghole has come and gone for the "holidays".
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We need to demand to see the report and the bullets.
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We need to demand to see the report and the bullets.
here's one... no different than the found one
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Except during the time of re-construction / reconfiguration they could limit the range to pistol caliber rifles only and black powder. No reason to completely close the range.
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For those who did not get the email:
NEWS RELEASE
OFFICE OF MAYOR KIRK CALDWELL
CITY & COUNTY OF HONOLULU
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
Friday, December 06, 2013
Jesse Broder Van Dyke 489-0341
Koko Head rifle range temporarily closed after new reports of stray bullets
East Oahu – Mayor Kirk Caldwell announced that the rifle range within the Koko Head Shooting Complex will be temporarily closed effective tomorrow following two new reports today of stray bullets.
“I am a strong supporter of the Koko Head Shooting Complex because it is one of the only safe and legal places for responsible members of Oahu’s shooting and hunting community to practice safe shooting,” said Mayor Caldwell. “We made the difficult decision to temporarily close the rifle range in an abundance of caution for the safety of those in the surrounding community, but I am committed to installing emergency mitigation measures in order to reopen the range as soon as possible.”
Mayor Caldwell discussed some of the options to reopen the range.
“We want to repair the rifle range berm directly behind the targets, which has been eroded over the years, so it will better absorb bullets. I would also like to construct a visual overhang that would remind shooters to aim their rifles properly.”
The closure only applies to the rifle range. The complex will remain open during normal hours and the pistol, silhouette, archery, action, skeet, and trap ranges remain open.
No injuries have been reported, only property damage. This is a precautionary measure.
Media advisory: Mayor Kirk Caldwell, Director of Parks and Recreation Toni Robinson, and Range Master Mike Moramoto will be available tomorrow, Saturday December 7, at 11:30 a.m. at the Koko Head Shooting Complex to answer questions about the closure.
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I was just going to mention that 22LR and other handgun calibers for now....
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http://www.staradvertiser.com/news/breaking/234852501.html (http://www.staradvertiser.com/news/breaking/234852501.html)
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http://www.staradvertiser.com/news/breaking/234852501.html (http://www.staradvertiser.com/news/breaking/234852501.html)
ok, guys
here's when we need to show up
Media advisory: Mayor Kirk Caldwell, Director of Parks and Recreation Toni Robinson, and Range Master Mike Moramoto will be available tomorrow, Saturday December 7, at 11:30 a.m. at the Koko Head Shooting Complex to answer questions about the closure.
post to facebook
email, pm, text message, twitter
get the word out!!!!
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ok, guys
here's when we need to show up
Media advisory: Mayor Kirk Caldwell, Director of Parks and Recreation Toni Robinson, and Range Master Mike Moramoto will be available tomorrow, Saturday December 7, at 11:30 a.m. at the Koko Head Shooting Complex to answer questions about the closure.
post to facebook
email, pm, text message, twitter
get the word out!!!!
Mac please tell me you can make it down. Hopefully all the people that usually go on Saturday morning will still show up.
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Mac please tell me you can make it down. Hopefully all the people that usually go on Saturday morning will still show up.
i have the day off due to the kaneohe christmas parade
i will be there by 11:30, hopefully well before that
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Can't make it.
Ask them about this case: http://www.kitv.com/news/hawaii/bullet-suspected-of-hitting-moving-car-at-sandy-beach/-/8905354/20337656/-/ir9g5h/-/index.html (http://www.kitv.com/news/hawaii/bullet-suspected-of-hitting-moving-car-at-sandy-beach/-/8905354/20337656/-/ir9g5h/-/index.html)
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Perhaps now most of the shooters that utilize the range but make no contribution to pro-2a groups will now get more involved and make donations.
If every single person that goes to the range on a weekly/monthly basis can donate just $10-20, I don't see how we wouldn't get the funds to pay for the repairs ourselves.
Of course, then the idiots who want to shut down the range will prolong the investigation as long as possible so we wouldn't be able to do so.
q
unfortunately that has been suggested before
union and city rules stonewalled volunteers from maintaining/upgrading the range
any donation goes to the general fund and not to the range
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Time to warm up those emails again! Start writing and keep on writing until they reopen the range! Are the 'two new incidents' the same ones that where discussed in the recent meeting, or are there 2 NEW incidents? What kind of investigation are they conducting? Are they looking into the possibility that KNudsen is a lying sack of S*** that allegedly brought an unfired bullet for evidence? What is going to be done if that turns out to be the case? What is being done about opening a venue on the leeward side?
Good lord don't 'settle' for .22 and pistol caliber. This is your RIGHTS!
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and we got owned...
https://twitter.com/gerGnesdunK/status/409183064426680320 (https://twitter.com/gerGnesdunK/status/409183064426680320)
(http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2013/03/deal-with-it-cat11.jpeg)
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The good news is: Now HDF is going to have hundreds, if not thousands, of members. :geekdanc:
Hey Knudsen; you just provided indefinite funding for the 2a cause. Way to go, dumb ass.
I like your thinking Q! Time to warm up those emails again! Start writing and keep on writing until they reopen the range! Are the 'two new incidents' the same ones that where discussed in the recent meeting, or are there 2 NEW incidents? What kind of investigation are they conducting? Are they looking into the possibility that KNudsen is a lying sack of S*** that allegedly brought an unfired bullet for evidence? What is going to be done if that turns out to be the case? What is being done about opening a venue on the leeward side?
Good lord don't 'settle' for .22 and pistol caliber. This is your RIGHTS!
I'm in for a trade turn kokohead in to the new dump sight replacement for the waimanalo landfill and turn the landfill into the new range! Definitely would be wayyyyy better.
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Also, log into all these news source comments and inform the misinformed that the idea of projectiles leaving the range is not very likely and the reporter of these incidents is suspect.
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There ought to be 1000 emails per week until this is remedied!
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+1 for macsak!
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Don't hold your breath about getting this fixed. Caldwell only cares about rail, everything else can wait.. or go away.
I beg to differ. Caldwell has been, and I suspect he'll continue to be, a strong supporter of shooters and efforts to improve the range.
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Does anyone else suspect a correlation between the increased frequency of these "stray bullets" and the 100 yard rifle range restriction?
Maybe shooting at closer targets increases the chance of a ricochet? Longer distances diminish the energy at impact than shorter distances.
Just a thought...
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Didn't see that the press release was already posted....
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I beg to differ. Caldwell has been, and I suspect he'll continue to be, a strong supporter of shooters and efforts to improve the range.
Actions speak louder than words. We'll see what happens.
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I beg to differ. Caldwell has been, and I suspect he'll continue to be, a strong supporter of shooters and efforts to improve the range.
I agree but its these Commies that twist the truth who are ruining it for us freedom loving citizens.
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In protest of rifle range closure tomorrow should be buy a rifle day.
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I just called my friend at KHON about getting a news crew down there tomorrow. Waiting to hear back about it.
Regardless, as many of us as possible should go. I'll be there.
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Also, log into all these news source comments and inform the misinformed that the idea of projectiles leaving the range is not very likely and the reporter of these incidents is suspect.
good idea very important point. :thumbsup:
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I just called my friend at KHON about getting a news crew down there tomorrow. Waiting to hear back about it.
Regardless, as many of us as possible should go. I'll be there.
it was suggested to me by a lurker that works in advertising, that we all call the tv, radio, and newspaper news tips lines
we need to let them know that people are interested in this issue and it deserves coverage
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I agree but its these Commies that twist the truth who are ruining it for us freedom loving citizens.
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In protest of rifle range closure tomorrow should be buy a rifle day.
Ren, where do you find these cool photos? The fat cat is classic.
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RUTA time... I'll be there. My hope is many will turn out and the "temporary closer" is just that, temporary. And just for my own warm fuzzy... Have ANY of these stray bullets, ricochets, etc. been 100% tied to the complex or is everything (including the 2 recent incidents) under investigation?
Mahalo, cya you guys tomorrow :shaka:
Boomah
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it was suggested to me by a lurker that works in advertising, that we all call the tv, radio, and newspaper news tips lines
we need to let them know that people are interested in this issue and it deserves coverage
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That really sucks . If there is a way that time for maintenance could be volunteered . We as a group should get together and do this . I for one hardly if ever go there but willing to help get this fixed . Could possibly get my hands on a few heavy equipment and welders .
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NEWS TIPS
If you see news happening, have a story idea, or want to fill us in on what's happening in your community, call the City Desk at (808) 529-4747 or e-mail citydesk@staradvertiser.com.
Hawaii News Now: KHNL/KGMB
420 Waiakamilo Road " Suite 205
Honolulu, Hawaii 96817
MAIN LINE: (808) 847-3246
NEWSROOM: (808) 847-1112
WEBSITE: www.hawaiinewsnow.com (http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com)
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Mailing Address
KHON2
88 Piikoi Street
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News Tipline: 808-591-4278
Press Releases
Email: news@khon2.com
http://www.kitv.com/tv/contact (http://www.kitv.com/tv/contact)
http://www.ksskradio.com/pages/perryandprice.html (http://www.ksskradio.com/pages/perryandprice.html)
on the left side, there is contact info
michael w perry is very much a conservative and would probably love to hear about this
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I just called my friend at KHON about getting a news crew down there tomorrow. Waiting to hear back about it.
Regardless, as many of us as possible should go. I'll be there.
This ruined my planned range day... I'll be there. I hope we have a good turn out.
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Acctually they fixed the roof fairly quickly, by govenment standards, when it blew off. In large part, IMO, because of the people here on this forum putting in their two cents... it is possible.
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This ruined my planned range day... I'll be there. I hope we have a good turn out.
guys (and gals)
remember, our goal here is to show that we support keeping the range open
while it might seem fun to show up in full tactical gear, or a "molon labe" or "cold dead hands" or confederate flag t-shirt
we need to show we are concerned citizens that represent a cross section of the public
and we have lots of friends and family THAT VOTE
we need women, children, people of all ages to show up
while we know that the news media will focus on people making noise and accusations, try not to be like "unkle" and get on tv (unless you really want to)
let's all be respectful and peaceful and show our concern
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I really hope no baffles are introduced...I would rather (for as much as I dislike them looking over my shoulder) have more RO's then a baffle.
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This sucks. I would like to be there tomorrow to show support but I have drill this weekend.
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I think Knudsen is rolling around with a slingshot and pelting houses with ww2 bullets he dug up or found on the ground.
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This sucks. I would like to be there tomorrow to show support but I have drill this weekend.
same here! by any chance you guys got an APFT?
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Damn it I want to be there tomorrow. A previous engagement prevent this. I hope you all give em hell!
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Yeah for those that failed the last APFT.
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Yeah for those that failed the last APFT.
was lead story on channel 2 news
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Before jumping to conclusions about Knudsen's involvement in the shut down, consider that that Knudsen's complaint is only one of several concerns that the Mayor may have. I was at the pistol side last week and spoke to an RO who is a friend of mind. He showed me a picture of a round that was just found on the Ewa side of the pistol range where the shooters are positioned. It was a large copper jacketed round with a mangled nose and the shooter of that round was identified due to the calliber of the round.The round was heard zinging by a pistol shooter. Incidentally, I also happen to know the shooter as well. I was told that the bullet ricocheted and flew over the hollow tile wall separating the rifle from the pistol range and struck the rocks on the Ewa side of the pistol range where shooters are or could be stationed. I also over heard the RO sitting in the booth talking about the round and that it could have negative ramifications on the range if the word got out. A ricocheting round striking the area near the shooters clearly presents a dangerous condition and imposes a legal duty upon a land owner to take affirmative action to warn and/or take precautions from preventing injury. Knowing the existence of a dangerous condition, my guess is that the Mayor had no choice but to shut the rifle range down to avoid liability and protect the C&C of Honolulu against potential liability until a reasonable solution could be found.
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This sucks. I would like to be there tomorrow to show support but I have drill this weekend.
RUTA!!! If can :shaka:
Boomah
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Before jumping to conclusions about Knudsen's involvement in the shut down, consider that that Knudsen's complaint is only one of several concerns that the Mayor may have. I was at the pistol side last week and spoke to an RO who is a friend of mind. He showed me a picture of a round that was just found on the Ewa side of the pistol range where the shooters are positioned. It was a large copper jacketed round with a mangled nose and the shooter of that round was identified due to the calliber of the round.The round was heard zinging by a pistol shooter. Incidentally, I also happen to know the shooter as well. I was told that the bullet ricocheted and flew over the hollow tile wall separating the rifle from the pistol range and struck the rocks on the Ewa side of the pistol range where shooters are or could be stationed. I also over heard the RO sitting in the booth talking about the round and that it could have negative ramifications on the range if the word got out. A ricocheting round striking the area near the shooters clearly presents a dangerous condition and imposes a legal duty upon a land owner to take affirmative action to warn and/or take precautions from preventing injury. Knowing the existence of a dangerous condition, my guess is that the Mayor had no choice but to shut the rifle range down to avoid liability and protect the C&C of Honolulu against potential liability until a reasonable solution could be found.
If people shooting paper (not steel) into the burm how did the ricochet happen? Was it from shooting diagonally at another target?
Just curious...
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The ass use the playbook that cost the archery range at Kapiolani Park.
Make enough complaints and threat of liability issues will cause someone to do something
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Instead of closing why not just use paper targets until we can improve the range.
As for repairs, I know every year little leauge will have field day to fix up the ball fields so the kids could play. Nobody stops them. Why can't we do this here. I understand operating heavy equipment the city worries about liability. But if we supply the equipment the city can supply the operator. There must be some
one in C&C that hunts and uses the range. I know its possable. We did it one year at the district park. One of the other coaches brought a small bobcat and the city guy came on a Sunday to help us fix the base paths of the field.
I will be there today to ask these questions.
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Instead of closing why not just use paper targets until we can improve the range.
As for repairs, I know every year little leauge will have field day to fix up the ball fields so the kids could play. Nobody stops them. Why can't we do this here. I understand operating heavy equipment the city worries about liability. But if we supply the equipment the city can supply the operator. There must be some
one in C&C that hunts and uses the range. I know its possable. We did it one year at the district park. One of the other coaches brought a small bobcat and the city guy came on a Sunday to help us fix the base paths of the field.
I will be there today to ask these questions.
kinglui I think this whole thing first off is liability backed by a bunch of people who hate this place and the object which it revolves around. On this topic no feelings are spared theses fricken people will kick you in the nuts and run laughing! We all know that if khsc needed anything our shooting community could accomplish it in days no matter the task I know this in my heart. But thw forces that be kinda enjoys those nut shots :o
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Instead of closing why not just use paper targets until we can improve the range.
As for repairs, I know every year little leauge will have field day to fix up the ball fields so the kids could play. Nobody stops them. Why can't we do this here. I understand operating heavy equipment the city worries about liability. But if we supply the equipment the city can supply the operator. There must be some
one in C&C that hunts and uses the range. I know its possable. We did it one year at the district park. One of the other coaches brought a small bobcat and the city guy came on a Sunday to help us fix the base paths of the field.
I will be there today to ask these questions.
excellent point
i hope everyone who has one is given a chance to ask it
i have found that the mayor is quite approachable
as are gene ward and sam slom, who i hope will be there today too
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The ass use the playbook that cost the archery range at Kapiolani Park.
Make enough complaints and threat of liability issues will cause someone to do something
true dat
hopefully they won't be as successful
there are many more gun owners than archery peeps
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It was reported Caldwell will be there today, but take look at his calendar:
Saturday, December 7
7:45 a.m. to 9 a.m. – 72nd Annual Pearl Harbor Day commemoration, Pearl Harbor
9 a.m. to 11 a.m. – Mililani Holiday Parade, Town Center of Mililani.
4 p.m. to 10 p.m. – Honolulu City Lights, Honolulu Hale. Live coverage on ‘Olelo.
5 p.m. to 5:30 p.m. – Kawaiahao Church Concert, Kawaiahao Church.
...Maybe it wasn't updated but it still leaves little possibility he's there at 11:30. I hope he is, but to anyone not able to come right at 11:30 - don't let that stop you from coming. He's likely to be late if he shows at all.
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They closed the silly side too
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Pistol side still open?
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They closed the silly side too
crap
that's uncalled for
there's gonna be a lot of pissed off people in front of the media
someone, please, go to the silhouette side and tell everyone that comes not to leave, and stay until 11:30 am
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Pistol side still open?
For now.
I hear noises from over there.
I came down to zero a rimfire rifle, but Carl closed down so the Mayor could have a look-see at silly side without folks shooting.
There are a couple of folks picking through the silhouette berm for copper or lead.
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It makes me wonder, since the opening day, has the range ever had upgrades or cleaning, etc. I know indoor ranges have to get the trap cleaned, lead levels, etc, etc. Has any cleanup efforts happened since it opened?
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Be ready because this is the kind of bullshit you can expect come the next legislative session. They will build upon this and we will lose a lot more. They got a big surprise last time as they weren't prepared for the level of opposition they encountered. Don't count on being that lucky this time around. Once they close the range for "mitigation," it becomes an issue of $$$. Where will the money come from? If the funds don't get approved, you guys are screwed. Just think, when they close for repairs they probably close the ENTIRE RANGE. That means no shooting whatsoever. If that doesn't motivate people to get involved, then maybe think about heading down to HPD to turn in your guns for destruction (like the guy from that other thread) as they will be pretty much useless when there is no place to shoot. Myself, I can only get so involved because I don't live on Oahu. But I continue to do my part by regularly contacting anyone and everyone regarding these types of issues. Don't get complacent, the fight is just beginning from what can see :shaka:
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Remember Hawaii Raceway Park.... Lesson learned
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Remember Hawaii Raceway Park.... Lesson learned
BINGO! Exactly.
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If people shooting paper (not steel) into the burm how did the ricochet happen? Was it from shooting diagonally at another target?
Just curious...
I believe they are saying the round that was found on the pistol side was a rifle round.
There are people shooting rifle rounds at the silhouette range, so i think this is why they closed that side too.
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silhouette closed too??? what in the fuck is going on?!
man this is going to be an uphill battle.
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Oh great
Just saw who I think is one of the neighborhood board ladies show up
Knudsen coming too?
No ones here except a few guys on the pistol side and one of the action shooting clubs
A few guys on the rifle side that look like our guys waiting to see what's going on
No media or politicians yet
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Well, if it this means the range might be permanently closed, I could live with them installing firing tubes. And, God forbid, even wooden baffles.
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Oh great
Just saw who I think is one of the neighborhood board ladies show up
Knudsen coming too?
No ones here except a few guys on the pistol side and one of the action shooting clubs
A few guys on the rifle side that look like our guys waiting to see what's going on
No media or politicians yet
Oh
I recognized her from someplace
The lady's the parks department director
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Channel 2 news crew just arrived
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Channel 2 news crew just arrived
Can't make it down, working. Macsak are you going to do a play by play like you did at the HK board meeting? Would be interested in what's going on. Thanks.
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11:30am now
Kitv and Khon are both here
Greg Knudsen is here
Rifle and silhouette range shut down. All other ranges open.
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Take some video
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Police just showed up
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Swat? Blue and white? Single detective? Chief? Major?
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11:30am now
Greg Knudsen is here
Rifle and silhouette range shut down. All other ranges open.
Oh knoes...protect Mr Wiggles!
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Swat? Blue and white? Single detective? Chief? Major?
Nah
Just an SUV driving through
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Will this be shown on the 6:00 news or posted online?
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I'm sure it'll be all over the news
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First one to give an interview, of course.
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Who is the reporter in pink?
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Noon and no sign of mayor.
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Not sure
Not olena heu
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Not sure
Not olena heu
No one wants to see that guy or the cameraman show the female reporter :shaka:
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Who is the reporter in pink?
Some newbie. She's only moderately hot, that's why she gets stuck working the weekend.
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MAYOR IS HERE
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Cardwell's here
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Only moderately hot? Interview her and get her opinion...
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Press opportunity starting
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Ask Knudsen if the bullet was a ricochet why wasn't it deformed or even slightly deformed?
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Public safer is main concern
"Abundance of caution"
"Closed temporarily while investigating"
Refurbishing and making berm thicker
Create an eyebrow "a visual reminder"
Emergency permit on Monday
Berm work can start this week
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Parks department to get materials and labor to create eyebrow soon
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Ike
Primary concern is safety
Of shooters and the general public
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Mike said that sorry
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Said renovations are overdue
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How long will renovations take?
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Said hopes to get back
ASAP
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screenshot on pc (http://postimage.org/app.php)
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Caldwell says early next year is goal
To
Reopen
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Mayor says we need to work on keeping range maintained
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Planning and permitting were contacted immediately
They are teaming with mayors office and parks and range staff
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2 incidents reported yesterday:
One hit a house
One hit a vehicle
edit- sorry i was posting from my phone
post is correct now
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WTH planning and permit can happen Monday morning...
Or 3 month wait like normal permitting?
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2 incidents in October
One in May at sandy beach on vehicle
Yesterday's report at house only reported yesterday because homeowners were on vacation
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Cameraman is a friend of a friend
Girl in pink is Vanessa Stewart
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Mayor says we need to work on keeping range maintained
Have Hammer and Shovel. Will travel. :shaka:
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Town hall meeting with mayor kaiser high Tuesday 6:00 pm to 8:00 pm
December 10, 2013
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Parks department to get materials and labor to create eyebrow soon
Does this affect Sillhouette side too, or can they reopen, since they "weren't closed down", but Carl just decided to close?
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Guys
Time to act
I'll make a separate post
I got the parks director to ask the mayor if we can do a range cleanup day since the rifle range is closed
Mayor said ok
Press liaison said he'll get media coverage
Time to act, folks
We need to prove as a community that we are not "gun nuts"
Mike from the range will coordinate and let us know
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2 incidents in October
One in May at sandy beach on vehicle
Yesterday's report at house only reported yesterday because homeowners were on vacation
so the one at sandy's was found to be a bullet from the range? nothing was reported on this.
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When you've got lemons, why not make lemonade?
If they are going to shut the rifle range down for an indefinite period of time, find out if they will at least open it up for use as an airgun range for the timebeing. I've got a bunch of air rifles and pistols that I can't shoot in my neighborhood because of space restrictions and it would be a great opportunity to get out and teach the kids proper rules of handling firearms.
Just a thought.
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so the one at sandy's was found to be a bullet from the range? nothing was reported on this.
obviously was not found to be a bullet
Press coverage at the time said that the owner was going to retrieve and give to police
If it was really a bullet, there would've been even more coverage
If it wasn't, there wouldn't be a retraction
Therefore I conclude that it was never produced
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Guys
Time to act
I'll make a separate post
I got the parks director to ask the mayor if we can do a range cleanup day since the rifle range is closed
Mayor said ok
Press liaison said he'll get media coverage
Time to act, folks
We need to prove as a community that we are not "gun nuts"
Mike from the range will coordinate and let us know
You the man mac.
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Town hall meeting with mayor kaiser high Tuesday 6:00 pm to 8:00 pm
December 10, 2013
Listen all, we need to turn this situation in to a positive The Mayor seems to be a strong supporter of the sport shooting community based on his comments ion his press release regarding this announcement. I know the Mayor and he's a man of his word. No one likes to be attacked or chastised especially at a public forum so when the subject of the KHSC comes up at the meeting that will be the time to thoughtfully and respectfully layout our concerns about the disrepair of the facility, especially the bathrooms, burns, target distances safety issues etc. and the fact the we have been neglected by previous administrations for years and years. He saw the range so he knows exactly what we're talking about. This incident is a blessing in disguise. The city's response to this incident will now force them to expedite the process and repairs ( or renovations)
The Mayor knows that the 2a community are strong voters and he won't disregard us and look at us as "crazies" So let's take advantage of what seems like a negative issue and use this to our advantage. We cannot go in with a gang mentality. We need an articulate, respected and coolheaded spokesperson to represent all of us and plead our case. I don't all of you but I see those of you who advocate strongly on our behalf, which I truly appreciate so choose one amoungst you and go for it please. This is a huge opportunity!! Mahalo
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obviously was not found to be a bullet
Press coverage at the time said that the owner was going to retrieve and give to police
If it was really a bullet, there would've been even more coverage
If it wasn't, there wouldn't be a retraction
Therefore I conclude that it was never produced
Exactly. Too many of us would have caught the slightest mention if something had been found.
The deafening silence says it all...............
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... This is a huge opportunity!! Mahalo
I think we all hope you are right. I think if I had seen a line item in the budget for "range improvements", I might be less suspicious and more celebratory. But city projects tend to really drag out and this is a very anti-2A state. So, for me it's "Hope for best and work hard to prevent the worst".
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Listen all, we need to turn this situation in to a positive The Mayor seems to be a strong supporter of the sport shooting community based on his comments ion his press release regarding this announcement. I know the Mayor and he's a man of his word. No one likes to be attacked or chastised especially at a public forum so when the subject of the KHSC comes up at the meeting that will be the time to thoughtfully and respectfully layout our concerns about the disrepair of the facility, especially the bathrooms, burns, target distances safety issues etc. and the fact the we have been neglected by previous administrations for years and years. He saw the range so he knows exactly what we're talking about. This incident is a blessing in disguise. The city's response to this incident will now force them to expedite the process and repairs ( or renovations)
The Mayor knows that the 2a community are strong voters and he won't disregard us and look at us as "crazies" So let's take advantage of what seems like a negative issue and use this to our advantage. We cannot go in with a gang mentality. We need an articulate, respected and coolheaded spokesperson to represent all of us and plead our case. I don't all of you but I see those of you who advocate strongly on our behalf, which I truly appreciate so choose one amoungst you and go for it please. This is a huge opportunity!! Mahalo
yup
i made sure to thank the mayor for his support
we have to take what he says and what the parks director say at face value until proven otherwise
i did let her know that we heard his promises, and are watching to see if he follows up on them
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For making range repairs to happen, we need to contact our city council members also as they will be approving budgets. The mayor is somewhat strapped because he already has a budget shortfall to figure out.
Also, what about contacting the guy who presented range improvements during the HK neighborhood board meeting? I wonder if anything resulted from his presentation?
macsak, I'm all for volunteering to clean up the range. Someone set a date. If it's not too soon, I can block the whole day off on my calendar.
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I think we all hope you are right. I think if I had seen a line item in the budget for "range improvements", I might be less suspicious and more celebratory. But city projects tend to really drag out and this is a very anti-2A state. So, for me it's "Hope for best and work hard to prevent the worst".
parks director and mayor said that the emergency repairs don't have to be a budget item
must be some sort of contingency fund for this
said no need EPA stuff, because they are adding to the berm, not digging it up
sounds like they want to add on a bunch of soil to make the berm "softer" to prevent the possibilities of ricochet
the "eyebrows" the are referring to are not to block bullets
they are "a visual reminder" to keep your barrel pointed downrange rather than at the sky
said that material and equipment are already on hand to use, so it can be done quickly
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For making range repairs to happen, we need to contact our city council members also as they will be approving budgets. The mayor is somewhat strapped because he already has a budget shortfall to figure out.
Also, what about contacting the guy who presented range improvements during the HK neighborhood board meeting? I wonder if anything resulted from his presentation?
macsak, I'm all for volunteering to clean up the range. Someone set a date. If it's not too soon, I can block the whole day off on my calendar.
i got the business card of the parks director
am already in contact with mike via email for the HDF range days
i will be following up with both of them on monday
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You the man mac.
i do what i can
i appreciate the at least 15-20 2aHI guys that showed up, especially 1911, who brought his kids
the mayor saw them and talked to them, so that helped
and you should've seen all the guys come when i told them the parks director was looking for commitment for a work day
i walked over to the bench and asked them, and 6 or 8 of our guys walked up to her and said they are in
i recruited someone else who walked up with his wife/girlfriend and asked mike if there was something he could do
he pointed at me, and i said just read 2ahawaii.com and show up
if this happens, we need contact with hra/life, and all the other groups to get as many people there as possible
we are all going to need to spread the word
i told mike and the parks director, if we have permission, we should take advantage before someone thinks otherwise
mike said he has been asked by many people to help, but always has to turn them down due to liability
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i do what i can
i appreciate the at least 15-20 2aHI guys that showed up, especially 1911, who brought his kids
the mayor saw them and talked to them, so that helped
and you should've seen all the guys come when i told them the parks director was looking for commitment for a work day
i walked over to the bench and asked them, and 6 or 8 of our guys walked up to her and said they are in
i recruited someone else who walked up with his wife/girlfriend and asked mike if there was something he could do
he pointed at me, and i said just read 2ahawaii.com and show up
if this happens, we need contact with hra/life, and all the other groups to get as many people there as possible
we are all going to need to spread the word
i told mike and the parks director, if we have permission, we should take advantage before someone thinks otherwise
mike said he has been asked by many people to help, but always has to turn them down due to liability
Wow way to go 2a Hawaii guys
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Did anyone take a lot of pics of everyone supporting the mayor.... Pictures are worth a million when providing evidence and testimonial...
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If we get them involved, I want them to give credit where credit is due. Macsak, as a rep of 2a Hawaii and HDF, arranged for this to happen, and I don't want HRA or Life taking his credit.
I know you are a humble guy mac, but I really hate it when people or organizations take credit for the hard work and ingenuity of others.
All the people that know, will know.
I wouldn't want people and their big head to not help, participate, cock block, stop us and try to set it up so "their" group can get the credit. This is for the shooting community.
Big heads and even bigger egos are part of what killed the race track. Let's not have that happen to us.
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count me in for a range cleanup. im sure i can wrangle some friends in too, depending on what day it falls on.
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If we get them involved, I want them to give credit where credit is due. Macsak, as a rep of 2a Hawaii and HDF, arranged for this to happen, and I don't want HRA or Life taking his credit.
I know you are a humble guy mac, but I really hate it when people or organizations take credit for the hard work and ingenuity of others.
no, no, no
i am NOT a rep of 2aHI nor HDF
i am just a guy
this is not about credit
this is about taking advantage of the fact that people want to get something done (and rubbing it in knudsen's face)
and we need as many people and groups involved
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Did anyone take a lot of pics of everyone supporting the mayor.... Pictures are worth a million when providing evidence and testimonial...
i am interested in hearing from the couple of 2aHI guys that were talking to knudsen
i couldn't talk to him without having a sneer on my face
when i'm at my office, i have a mask on most times when i talk to patients
:geekdanc:
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Did anyone take a lot of pics of everyone supporting the mayor.... Pictures are worth a million when providing evidence and testimonial...
we shoulda taken a 2aHI picture
and also a new balance boot picture
:thumbsup:
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Hopefully I'll be on KHON tonight and hopefully with few edits/spins. I know the news crews were having a hard time talking to people because many were military and not able to appear on camera.
Macsak, i volunteered with Mike to do some welding. You're now coordinating the volunteer effort so shoot me an email at ross@oahumakerspace.com
I think the important thing that came from this is that the mayor recognized that the range is THE most utilized city park and said that he would expedite the permitting process for the improvements.
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Hopefully I'll be on KHON tonight and hopefully with few edits/spins. I know the news crews were having a hard time talking to people because many were military and not able to appear on camera.
Macsak, i volunteered with Mike to do some welding. You're now coordinating the volunteer effort so shoot me an email at ross@oahumakerspace.com
I think the important thing that came from this is that the mayor recognized that the range is THE most utilized city park and said that he would expedite the permitting process for the improvements.
dude
you're the guy from that kakaako thing?
after this dies down, let's do a 2aHI event there!
i bet lots of our members would love a chance at checking out your shop
i bet you could get lots of new members
and yeah, let's keep in touch
i'll start a separate thread for the volunteer days
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no, no, no
i am NOT a rep of 2aHI nor HDF
i am just a guy
this is not about credit
this is about taking advantage of the fact that people want to get something done (and rubbing it in knudsen's face)
and we need as many people and groups involved
Think we could get the sponsors of the board to put up flyers about the work day in their shops at the registers? The more we get to show up the better. That'd really be rubbing it in his face. I'm relishing the idea Knudsen will finally know what a sweaty human scrotum smells like 'cuz I'm sure he's very familiar with what a feline one smells like.
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i am interested in hearing from the couple of 2aHI guys that were talking to knudsen
i couldn't talk to him without having a sneer on my face
when i'm at my office, i have a mask on most times when i talk to patients
:geekdanc:
First of all, it was great to finally meet all of you after lurking for so long. And thanks again Macsak for the great suggestion to clean up the range while it's closed.
I overheard Knudsen talking to the mayor about how dangerous it is to have the range in such close proximity to residential areas, and he was explaining that a round can easily hit someone on the Koko Head trail (stairs) or go over and hit more homes. He was explaining to the mayor that a wall needed to be built along the trail, or the range should be fully enclosed to prevent these possibilities.
I kind of butted in to tell the mayor that any of these incidents that are being reported and used as fuel to make changes to the range are irrelevant to the rifle range itself. All of these incidents that Knudsen just brought up are only possible by a negligent discharge, which is not an issue that pertains only to a rifle range, but to everyone’s home throughout the whole country. It is the responsibility of us, the firearm handler, to prevent ND’s, not only at the range, but in every situation in which a firearm is handled. I asked if he (the mayor) is planning to make rules to prevent ND’s throughout the whole island and everybody’s home. The mayor knew exactly where I was coming from and said that would infringe on our rights as gun owners. He also mentioned that they find bullets in Waikiki, and of course they don't automatically assume it came from Koko Head. Why should it be different in HI Kai?
After the mayor left, Knudsen came up to me and asked if I heard him telling the story of the round going by him while he hiked the koko crater ridge (about the area above the old 450m steel target). I asked how he knew it was a bullet, and he stated that his brother, a Vietnam vet, recognized the sound of a bullet whizzing by. I pointed out the angle that would have to be fired for it to reach that high on the crater. He seemed genuinely surprised by this info, although he still sticks to his story. I also explained the distinct cracking sound that a round makes as it flies by. In my opinion, its pretty hard to forget that sound.
I was just trying to make a point that he shouldn’t jump to assumptions without hard evidence.
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we shoulda taken a 2aHI picture
and also a new balance boot picture
:thumbsup:
Were there more than just us sporting the new kicks?
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First of all, it was great to finally meet all of you after lurking for so long. And thanks again Macsak for the great suggestion to clean up the range while it's closed.
I overheard Knudsen talking to the mayor about how dangerous it is to have the range in such close proximity to residential areas, and he was explaining that a round can easily hit someone on the Koko Head trail (stairs) or go over and hit more homes. He was explaining to the mayor that a wall needed to be built along the trail, or the range should be fully enclosed to prevent these possibilities.
I kind of butted in to tell the mayor that any of these incidents that are being reported and used as fuel to make changes to the range are irrelevant to the rifle range itself. All of these incidents that Knudsen just brought up are only possible by a negligent discharge, which is not an issue that pertains only to a rifle range, but to everyone’s home throughout the whole country. It is the responsibility of us, the firearm handler, to prevent ND’s, not only at the range, but in every situation in which a firearm is handled. I asked if he (the mayor) is planning to make rules to prevent ND’s throughout the whole island and everybody’s home. The mayor knew exactly where I was coming from and said that would infringe on our rights as gun owners. He also mentioned that they find bullets in Waikiki, and of course they don't automatically assume it came from Koko Head. Why should it be different in HI Kai?
After the mayor left, Knudsen came up to me and asked if I heard him telling the story of the round going by him while he hiked the koko crater ridge (about the area above the old 450m steel target). I asked how he knew it was a bullet, and he stated that his brother, a Vietnam vet, recognized the sound of a bullet whizzing by. I pointed out the angle that would have to be fired for it to reach that high on the crater. He seemed genuinely surprised by this info, although he still sticks to his story. I also explained the distinct cracking sound that a round makes as it flies by. In my opinion, its pretty hard to forget that sound.
I was just trying to make a point that he shouldn’t jump to assumptions without hard evidence.
good job
i want to stress it was not MY idea to clean up the range when it's closed
i brought up to the parks director that 2aHI members had asked why we couldn't volunteer (since we are always told it is a liability issue)
the parks director thought it was a GREAT idea and came up with the notion we could do it since the rifle range was closed anyways
and she brought it to the mayor's attention and then talked with mike
if it comes to fruition, this is happening because of 2aHI members, not because of me
i just want people to show up, because if no one shows, then it's going to be on me
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You are a better man than I.
Know how I react, I somehow would have referenced his cats in a derogatory manner. :rofl:
He mentioned that he's been "attacked" on internet forums, and how he wished that people would educate him instead of bash him.
I wished I asked him "What do you expect when he attacks a whole community?" He's basically accusing us of firing into the sky, and is actually accusing the range officers of neglecting their duties. I find that pretty offensive.
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He mentioned that he's been "attacked" on internet forums, and how he wished that people would educate him instead of bash him.
I wished I asked him "What do you expect when he attacks a whole community?" He's basically accusing us of firing into the sky, and is actually accusing the range officers of neglecting their duties. I find that pretty offensive.
Trust him to play the victim card. What did he expect? He's messing with people's livelihoods, their means of feeding their families and keeping a roof over their heads. And he's wondering why none of the LGS' sent him a Christmas card? I'm playing the world's smallest violin for you Gregie can you hear it? :grrr: For someone who's college educated he's pretty fucking dumb, IMO.
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While it is not a new concept, you were the one who approached the director. There have been many suggesting to have the 2a community volunteer to clean up the range, yet all it took was that wonderful dentist smile to get the ball rolling.
That is why congratulations are due for you.
*golf clap*
:rofl: Thanks for being so humble mac. We know who got the wheels turning on this initiative. I understand that it takes the work of many to accomplish this particular task.
I also join in with Q. *golf clap* :thumbsup:
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Were there more than just us sporting the new kicks?
not sure, but i could tell they intimidated knudsen
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He mentioned that he's been "attacked" on internet forums, and how he wished that people would educate him instead of bash him.
I wished I asked him "What do you expect when he attacks a whole community?" He's basically accusing us of firing into the sky, and is actually accusing the range officers of neglecting their duties. I find that pretty offensive.
yeah
i was going to make a separate post re: people monitoring our forum
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He mentioned that he's been "attacked" on internet forums, and how he wished that people would educate him instead of bash him.
I wished I asked him "What do you expect when he attacks a whole community?" He's basically accusing us of firing into the sky, and is actually accusing the range officers of neglecting their duties. I find that pretty offensive.
So he is trying to dismantle a community and not expect a reaction? Youre a tool Knudsen.
Im down for a range maintenance day.
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I'm down for range day, as before. Hopefully this time it will happen. I can offer welding service as necessary, and manual labor.
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I liked what the mayor had to say. I hope he keeps his word. It will mean a lot in my book. Just remember the last meeting we had. The parks director promised changes and we were lucky to get a new roof. I just hope the mayor does not follow that same path. I voted for him in the last election and I hope he sticks to his guns (pun intended) and gets this done in a timely manner. After it was all over I thanked him for taking care of the range and understanding how important it is to us.
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While it is not a new concept, you were the one who approached the director. There have been many suggesting to have the 2a community volunteer to clean up the range, yet all it took was that wonderful dentist smile to get the ball rolling.
That is why congratulations are due for you.
*golf clap*
aw shucks
truth be told, i almost forgot to bring up the volunteer thing
i think it speaks to the fact that the parks director and the mayor may be on our side about this
you shoulda seen the look on her face when i went over to the bench and brought back all you guys saying you would help out
and the mayor thought it was a great idea and told her to make it happen
i said we need media coverage, and he pointed at his assistant, and said that he'll take care of it
and mike was floored- he was like "i always have to tell people no when they volunteer"
and he said he needed welders to make new target stands
i was about to say that we have welders/fabricators on 2aHI that are willing to help, when ross told him "i can make those"
i told him we have painters/carpenters/heavy equipment operators and just regular people willing to help
hopefully, we can make this happen
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I don't know if sand would work for the berm but there is a huge pile of it on the side of the Kailua beach canal. Probably wouldn't be enough but its a start. I'm in to help clean the range. I was there today but had to leave at 12.
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Count me in! ill help with welding and making steel targets.
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I don't know if sand would work for the berm but there is a huge pile of it on the side of the Kailua beach canal. Probably wouldn't be enough but its a start. I'm in to help clean the range. I was there today but had to leave at 12.
Dude, the Kailua Obamaphile leftists would execute you if you actually tried to use "their" beach sand for your shooting pleasure! You can't be serious.
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Dude, the Kailua Obamaphile leftists would execute you if you actually tried to use "their" beach sand for your shooting pleasure! You can't be serious.
Oh the irony. ... lol
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It's on khnl now
http://m.hawaiinewsnow.com/#!/newsDetail/24163293
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Wow, finally positive reporting for koko head from HNN. Also no Knudsen.
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Wow, finally positive reporting for koko head from HNN. Also no Knudsen.
Which is surprising because he did speak on camera...
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Wow, finally positive reporting for koko head from HNN. Also no Knudsen.
It's called a good editor... Hahaha
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Which is surprising because he did speak on camera...
i can just imagine him in his chair with his cat on his lap, saying, "damn you hawaii news now"
http://cinema1544.files.wordpress.com/2011/10/4_mr-_bigglesworth.jpg (http://cinema1544.files.wordpress.com/2011/10/4_mr-_bigglesworth.jpg)
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i can just imagine him in his chair with his cat on his lap, saying, "damn you hawaii news now"
http://cinema1544.files.wordpress.com/2011/10/4_mr-_bigglesworth.jpg (http://cinema1544.files.wordpress.com/2011/10/4_mr-_bigglesworth.jpg)
Photoshop it and make it so!
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Dude, the Kailua Obamaphile leftists would execute you if you actually tried to use "their" beach sand for your shooting pleasure! You can't be serious.
Kailua is considered a republican district, just because he vacations here doesn't mean we voted for him. The sand has been sitting there for a long time. They have nowhere to dump it if I remember correctly and they can't put it back in the ocean or on the beach.
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Thanks Macsac and everyone else that was there. Name and date and I will come down to help and drag some folks with me.
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I applaud the Mayor and his approach to this. Improving the range is the right answer. I'm certain it's not the answer that our friend from the neighborhood board wanted to hear.
I remember a number of years ago, some people in San Francisco sued the city because the cable cars made noise when they went by their houses. I believe the answer was "The cable cars have been there for 100 years. You knew they went by your house when you bought it". Same thing here. The range is much older than those houses and they chose to live near a shooting range.
That being said, making the range safer for everyone is the right thing to do.
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Curious if anyone has considered inviting Knudsen to shoot? Maybe the next Shooting Fair, or just a regular day to try a variety of rifles (since they are easier to hit the target for beginners = more fun)?
I know the KH range is closed for rifles, but there are options.
I remember when Piers Morgan went to a range and loved the heck out of it. He initialy said it made no impact on his views, but the next few months, his rhetoric softened quite a bit on gun control because, I believe, he no longer thought of gun people as "those obsessed nuts who just want to kill animals and people." Maybe Knudsen needs to experience the range with all of the safety rules, RSO oversight, and the thrill of making a hole 50 - 100 yards away within an inch of where he's aiming?
If he is waiting for someone to "educate" him and won't make the effort himself, maybe someone should make that effort. What could it hurt??
And, if you have him try a Mosin, recommend a limb saver pad so he doesn't accuse anyone of intentionally hurting his shoulder! >:D
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Remeber this from our old friend vooduchikn...... lol
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=sP4NMoJcFd4&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DsP4NMoJcFd4 (http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=sP4NMoJcFd4&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DsP4NMoJcFd4)
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I find it odd that Queens Gate was completed in the mid 80's, the botanical garden, golf course and stable over the ridge has been there even longer .... But only now it rains bullets.
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Curious if anyone has considered inviting Knudsen to shoot? Maybe the next Shooting Fair, or just a regular day to try a variety of rifles (since they are easier to hit the target for beginners = more fun)?
I know the KH range is closed for rifles, but there are options.
I remember when Piers Morgan went to a range and loved the heck out of it. He initialy said it made no impact on his views, but the next few months, his rhetoric softened quite a bit on gun control because, I believe, he no longer thought of gun people as "those obsessed nuts who just want to kill animals and people." Maybe Knudsen needs to experience the range with all of the safety rules, RSO oversight, and the thrill of making a hole 50 - 100 yards away within an inch of where he's aiming?
If he is waiting for someone to "educate" him and won't make the effort himself, maybe someone should make that effort. What could it hurt??
And, if you have him try a Mosin, recommend a limb saver pad so he doesn't accuse anyone of intentionally hurting his shoulder! >:D
With hicarry's approval, I invited all of the neighborhood board members and Sam slom and gene ward to take a life handgun safety class for free
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Was quite cool to see the 2A folks out there as well... I have to apologize for being very discrete, small kine hooky and wanted to stay well clear of the cameras ;)
I too liked what the Mayor had to say, sounds quite positive. However, did you catch what Knudsen had to say on KHON:
"It could be fairly extensive and expensive so they'll have to find the money they'll have to comply with environmental rules because the soil is contaminated with lead and arsenic,"
So there you have it, he's showing his true colors yet again. He wants to make sure all the rules & regs are followed in this case yet backs trespassing on a trail that's actually off-limits (and has admitted doing so himself). Frustrating to say the least.
Ahui hou :shaka:
Boomah
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Maybe we can somehow get KHSC declared a Hawaii Historical Landmark, as it has been around for so long.
It's a lot harder to get something shut down when it is declared of historical significance; might even get extra funding for maintenance as well.
What's the real answer there... **Update/Edit** NM actually read the info vs. skimming it. Regardless, I still wonder if any WWII units ever used the range prior to 1950? I do know some folks that may help in protecting the range if it can be tied to Pearl Harbor or the PTO in some way. Maybe the Guard can speak out as it's a part of their history as well...
Boomah :shaka:
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To everyone that showed up today... BIG MAHALO'S
Credit to mayor macsak :thumbsup:
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To everyone that showed up today... BIG MAHALO'S
Credit to mayor macsak :thumbsup:
i'm closer to mayor mccheese than i am mayor macsak
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BTW: Enjoy the following.
And whoever it is in the first photo : you are a fucking idiot and deserve to be banned from the range for doing idiotic shit like this. Its because of people like this that we can't have nice things.
Bummer. Not looking good for Kokohead. Good luck guys!
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Looks like someone practicing for a service match, something done for years at KHSC without issue I might add, during happier times of course. Unfortunately dick-weed was there with his camera as the shooter was shouldering the rifle and snapped an image of that brief moment . Low situational awareness, especially if he (and the spotter) noticed Mr. Knudsen snapping pics, but idiot? A bit strong IMHO, maybe they didn't see the shutter-bug. But again, as Q pointed, not helping the cause and definitely reinforcing opinions of the ignorant.
One team, one fight :shaka:
Boomah
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BTW: Enjoy the following.
And whoever it is in the first photo : you are a fucking idiot and deserve to be banned from the range for doing idiotic shit like this. Its because of people like this that we can't have nice things.
those are proper aiming stances for shouldering a rifle from the standing position. the safeties shouldn't even be off until completely in position. that picture is nothing but fear mongering and using lack of education to push his agenda.
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Looks like someone practicing for a service match, something done for years at KHSC without issue I might add, during happier times of course. Unfortunately dick-weed was there with his camera as the shooter was shouldering the rifle and snapped an image of that brief moment . Low situational awareness, especially if he (and the spotter) noticed Mr. Knudsen snapping pics, but idiot? A bit strong IMHO, maybe they didn't see the shutter-bug. But again, as Q pointed, not helping the cause and definitely reinforcing opinions of the ignorant.
One team, one fight :shaka:
Boomah
What's interesting is that, in either of those photos, the rifles aren't even close to being angled high enough to clear the right side (lower side) of Koko crater ridge 1000 meters away.
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http://m.kitv.com/news/Koko-Head-rifle-range-closed/-/17421002/23379410/-/xys5mx/-/index.html
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Ahh i guess I didn't make the cut oh KHON. Oh well.
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those are proper aiming stances for shouldering a rifle from the standing position. the safeties shouldn't even be off until completely in position. that picture is nothing but fear mongering and using lack of education to push his agenda.
yeah, i agree
both are proper shooting stances
this is the first time i am seeing these pics
knudsen is claiming they are in "high ready"
this is certainly NOT high ready
in the second picture, the shooter's finger is nowhere near the trigger
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those are proper aiming stances for shouldering a rifle from the standing position. the safeties shouldn't even be off until completely in position. that picture is nothing but fear mongering and using lack of education to push his agenda.
Exactly .... Anyone who has ever shot three position competition matches know that that's how you set in to a standing position.
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Exactly .... Anyone who has ever shot three position competition matches know that that's how you set in to a standing position.
I am guessing that Knudsen has never shot three position matches. But he does recognize the value of a photograph. Fear mongering, yes. Effective, yes. He will have the whole board believing that this is dangerous activity. Maybe you should contact Sam Slom for assistance. Knudsen seems to have a general disdain for him as well as his rep that "does not rep him." :shaka:
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http://m.kitv.com/news/Koko-Head-rifle-range-closed/-/17421002/23379410/-/xys5mx/-/index.html (http://m.kitv.com/news/Koko-Head-rifle-range-closed/-/17421002/23379410/-/xys5mx/-/index.html)
check out the boots on the guy with his back to the camera (in the funny hat) at the end of the segment
obviously "assault boots" that enable the shooter to shoot multiple rounds per second
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check out the boots on the guy with his back to the camera (in the funny hat) at the end of the segment
obviously "assault boots" that enable the shooter to shoot multiple rounds per second
note: it was more than a dozen, likely closer to 2 dozen- great job, 2aHI ohana
http://www.khon2.com/news/koko-head-rifle-range-closes-temporarily (http://www.khon2.com/news/koko-head-rifle-range-closes-temporarily)
Along with a dozen others, Kaneohe resident Matt Longfellow heard about the closure through an on-line forum.
"To show support for the range and for others protecting the second amendment rights that we all enjoy," Longfellow said.
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check out the boots on the guy with his back to the camera (in the funny hat) at the end of the segment
obviously "assault boots" that enable the shooter to shoot multiple rounds per second
BREAKING NEWS: Pending assault boot ban causes boot prices to triple!
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Thank you macsak and everyone else for all your time and hard work.....
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note: it was more than a dozen, likely closer to 2 dozen- great job, 2aHI ohana
http://www.khon2.com/news/koko-head-rifle-range-closes-temporarily (http://www.khon2.com/news/koko-head-rifle-range-closes-temporarily)
Along with a dozen others, Kaneohe resident Matt Longfellow heard about the closure through an on-line forum.
"To show support for the range and for others protecting the second amendment rights that we all enjoy," Longfellow said.
ok, i didn't watch the khon clip all the way through
i was switching between channels at 10 pm
the guy on the phone is the person in october whose house was shot
i talked to him at the neighborhood board meeting
he told me he supports the second amendment and does not want the range closed
he has shot before, but is not a range user
he told me "i can't say where it came from, i just don't want my house shot"
i was looking him straight in the eye at the time
i believe him
in response to what knudsen said about cost and contamination
well...
i want to say what the parks director said, but i'd rather not our feline friend read what i was told if he is monitoring 2aHI
let him find out through his own research
send me a pm if you want to know
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BREAKING NEWS: Pending assault boot ban causes boot prices to triple!
more profit when dirtyfingers sells his at the swap meet!
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You mean this guy advocating 2nd amendment rights...
(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/12/08/egemyqyd.jpg)
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BTW: Enjoy the following.
And whoever it is in the first photo : you are a fucking idiot and deserve to be banned from the range for doing idiotic shit like this. Its because of people like this that we can't have nice things.
Seriously? It's the targets shooter just placing the rifle into position. The fuck is the problem?
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yeah, i agree
both are proper shooting stances
this is the first time i am seeing these pics
knudsen is claiming they are in "high ready"
this is certainly NOT high ready
in the second picture, the shooter's finger is nowhere near the trigger
He'd have a heart attack if I was on the A1 action bay on a rifle day lol.
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He'd have a heart attack if I was on the A1 action bay on a rifle day lol.
yea we do look over our shoulders now making sure we aren't being observed so closely but then its business as usual if you know what I mean!
more profit when dirtyfingers sells his at the swap meet!
I heard that :grrr:
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BREAKING NEWS: Pending assault boot ban causes boot prices to triple!
U mean these boots??
(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/12/08/eha8u7uh.jpg)
This van hit at sandy beach
(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/12/08/ze8ydy8y.jpg)
Caused this so called roof damage
(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/12/08/e6u6aden.jpg)
This distance
(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/12/08/6ynu4uhe.jpg)
Hit this house
(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/12/08/3etevazy.jpg)
(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/12/08/5aguzasa.jpg)
On this street
(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/12/08/azeqaqah.jpg)
Made this hole
(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/12/08/azazeda5.jpg)
With this bullet
(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/12/08/u2uqamub.jpg)
Resulted in
(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/12/08/ena4yru9.jpg)
So this can be repaired
(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/12/08/vu2ezade.jpg)
By authority from these guys
(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/12/08/adaqyre8.jpg)
And will vote for this guy
(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/12/08/utaby2u9.jpg)
But not this guy who claims there is arsenic in the ground....
(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/12/08/ega9enyd.jpg)
Same guy who claims ricochets go over this mountain
(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/12/08/ara7uneb.jpg)
The range will go from this
(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/12/08/taty6ure.jpg)
To this till January
(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/12/08/ra9eby5u.jpg)
So this guy won't have a place to take aim daily
(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/12/08/yma2ytus.jpg)
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This hole in the car
(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/12/08/e6u6aden.jpg)
first time i saw that picture was today
of course they never found the "bullet"
i don't know what they thought was in the headliner, because clearly only paint is damaged and there is no point of entry
oh man, i just realized one more thing
look at the dent
it's HUGE
no way a bullet hits something that hard to make a dent that big and NOT penetrate the sheetmetal
obviously a larger object (like a ROCK) traveling at a lower velocity
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Dolomite - thank you for the unflattering freeze frame
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U mean these boots??
(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/12/08/eha8u7uh.jpg)
dude, are those boots on a range user or one of the range roosters?
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dude, are those boots on a range user or one of the range roosters?
:rofl: :rofl: :stopjack:
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Dolomite - thank you for the unflattering freeze frame
We are proud of you speaking up for everyone who uses the range. Not many people will go on video to support such a worthy cause.... :thumbsup:
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dude, are those boots on a range user or one of the range roosters?
If you saw the hat you would say range rooster.... LOL
Check out this comb
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Was good to see some of you guys again, and meet new ones!
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We are proud of you speaking up for everyone who uses the range. Not many people will go on video to support such a worthy cause.... :thumbsup:
Thanks. :shaka:
It seemed not too many people would agree to be on camera. Brenton Awa from KITV flagged me down as I was driving away to see if I'd talk to him. I wasn't trying to be some kind of spokesman or anything but I was happy to speak up. Of course, they only use a few phrases. At least they didn't take something out of context.
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If you saw the hat you would say range rooster.... LOL
Check out this comb
(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/12/08/y6uva7en.jpg)
that's my "don't frickin put me on tv" hat
it was like watching square dancing seeing everyone spin away whenever the cameras were being moved
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Thanks. :shaka:
It seemed not too many people would agree to be on camera. Brenton Awa from KITV flagged me down as I was driving away to see if I'd talk to him. I wasn't trying to be some kind of spokesman or anything but I was happy to speak up. Of course, they only use a few phrases. At least they didn't take something out of context.
yeah, i am glad they didn't edit it to make us look bad
great job, matt
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That really is one sexy hat.
In fact, it inspired me to buy a hat to try and one up Mac
yeah, it's called "urban uncle" camouflage
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Finger on the trigger? Come on man, don't give me that shit.
I see a left hand coming around from the firing side of the magazine well to grip the gun in a competition style hold. Who can fit two fingers up near the trigger well like that ET?
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yeah, it's called "urban uncle" camouflage
This might have been a better cover
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BTW: Enjoy the following.
And whoever it is in the first photo : you are a fucking idiot and deserve to be banned from the range for doing idiotic shit like this. Its because of people like this that we can't have nice things.
As many pointed out that is how you mount the rifle from the standing position. That wasn't me and the coach is a distinguished Marine shooter. I do the same thing but my muzzle is not high enough, nor is my trigger finger in the well until my front sight is in the black. Besides all I shoot at Kokohead is my 22LR CLE upper for practice. I knew Knudsen was taking pics of people that are match shooters.
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Using those pictures only proves he has no clue what he's seeing or talking about! Picking on Olympic style shooters is really idiotic. In fact if we extrapolate their position and angle it will only prove the impossibility of rounds ever hitting anywhere except the backstop. And last time I checked nobody grows produce at or even remotely near the range. He clearly has an agenda, backed by who knows what. Enjoy your 15 minutes knud dude. If you are found to be lying I hope charges are brought against you.
Great interview matt0137, thank you.
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ok, i didn't watch the khon clip all the way through
i was switching between channels at 10 pm
the guy on the phone is the person in october whose house was shot
i talked to him at the neighborhood board meeting
he told me he supports the second amendment and does not want the range closed
he has shot before, but is not a range user
he told me "i can't say where it came from, i just don't want my house shot"
i was looking him straight in the eye at the time
i believe him
in response to what knudsen said about cost and contamination
well...
i want to say what the parks director said, but i'd rather not our feline friend read what i was told if he is monitoring 2aHI
let him find out through his own research
send me a pm if you want to know
When Knudsen was talking directly to Mayor Caldwell, Knudsen directly stated that without a full renovation of the berm (e.g. removing it and replacing the dirt completely) that he thinks just adding dirt will not help prevent berm ricochets because the new dirt would just get shot out of the way. The mayor respectfully disagreed.
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Damn found a bullet on my rug..... Well I live in town and it has to be from Koko head, the ricochet is killa....
(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/12/08/yba7ajep.jpg)
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This distance
(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/12/08/6ynu4uhe.jpg)
Hit this house
(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/12/08/5aguzasa.jpg)
On this street
(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/12/08/azeqaqah.jpg)
With this bullet
(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/12/08/u2uqamub.jpg)
not sure where that window is facing, but according to google earth pro the distance to his house from the firing line is a little under 2300 yards or 1.3 miles
the other "incident" marked above on the map with a red exclamation mark is 2400 yards away.. in case anyone else was wondering.
did the news mention the caliber of the projectile in mention?
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Maybe it's the white birds on the range, maybe they pick up the rounds, fly off, then drop them???
I think the RO's do a good job.
i have yet to see anyone point a firearm in the air at the times I've been to the rifle range.
Do people hunt anywhere around that area? Could anyone in the area have fired in the sky for celebration fire? I live in the Green Zone of China Town and I swear I here gunshots sometimes. I wonder if HPD has actually investigated this to find out the actual location or close to where these rounds came from? I know they can, maybe it doesn't fit their agenda, If the gun(s) that fired these rounds are registered, i'm pretty sure they could track them down with a little leg work. After a large group of us dealt with HPD to do training, I've never seen any L/E outside of the Caribbean not know what the hell they were talking about or stutter and back track on Local Laws. I find those pictures funny as they fit the agenda of this idiot, perfect timing, i wonder what the pictures before and after from these 2 pictures look like on his camera, some people should find a way into a crab cage at the bottom of the pacific.
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I found some cat shit in my yard this morning.
I vote we euthanize every single cat in Hawaii now.
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So what we have in one person whos real intent is to shutter the range and takes pictures of competitive shooters.
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So what we have in one person whos real intent is to shutter the range and takes pictures of competitive shooters.
1) cat lover
2) taking pictures of men from behind.
my son swims in meets and one of the main things we do is to stop people from taking pictures of the kids from behind while on the swim platform.
we need to stop this perve. :crazy:
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The Damage i seen to the screen is very strange. it does not look like it came from a bullet. Looks like a giant rip.
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Bullet was traveling sideways to make a wide rip in the screen....
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Bullet was traveling sideways to make a wide rip in the screen....
Yeah, bullets tend to travel sideways when shot from a slingshot from the yard next door. That would be a great way to safely create "evidence" of a bullet striking a house without really endangering the occupants.
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Yeah, bullets tend to travel sideways when shot from a slingshot from the yard next door. That would be a great way to safely create "evidence" of a bullet striking a house without really endangering the occupants.
That's what I think too... and the top of the window? Would not the round hit the eave of the roof if it came in from kokohead?
The people shooting standing are using a sound and safe technique of mounting the rifle. WTF???? this bastard has some kind of freaking problem. The new incidents are hopefully being FULLY investigated be the HPD, and if it turns out to be BS, I HOPE charges are brought up on the culprit.
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The twat's changing his tune on a Twitter. Backtracking on himself trying to "clarify" his statement. @gerGnesdunK: http://t.co/ZnRaYIDGCj (http://t.co/ZnRaYIDGCj) - This is just positioning, not firing. Shows potential accidental firing w/ barrel raised, finger on trigger 2/2.
Seems he spent the day hiking the trail again. I wonder how he'd feel if his favorite trail was closed?
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The twat's changing his tune on a Twitter. Backtracking on himself trying to "clarify" his statement. @gerGnesdunK: http://t.co/ZnRaYIDGCj (http://t.co/ZnRaYIDGCj) - This is just positioning, not firing. Shows potential accidental firing w/ barrel raised, finger on trigger 2/2.
Seems he spent the day hiking the trail again. I wonder how he'd feel if his favorite trail was closed?
the walls have ears...
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Bullet was traveling sideways to make a wide rip in the screen....
Amazing how it just happened to hit right at the edge of the screen where it might have been ripped loose from the welting already.
I say it is B.S. No pic of the supposed broken window either? How convenient.
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Any chance all this BS might just result in some upgrades at the range? What do you guys all think about this situation? I really hope all this is resolved quickly so we can enjoy the rifle range again. Hopefully this isn't just wishful thinking and come up with some kind of "solution."
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Any chance all this BS might just result in some upgrades at the range? What do you guys all think about this situation? I really hope all this is resolved quickly so we can enjoy the rifle range again. Hopefully this isn't just wishful thinking and come up with some kind of "solution."
My feeling is, there is a POTENTIAL problem with stray bullets based on circumstantial evidence.
The Mayor is taking this opportunity to increase safety by making repairs and upgrades.
If these repairs result in no more reports of strays, the Mayor can claim success, the shooters benefit from the upgrades, and the plaintiffs will feel their complaints were heard and responded to. It's a POSITIVE result from a NEGATIVE situation.
The only person to still be unsatisfied would be anyone whose real goal was to shut down the range completely.
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Any chance all this BS might just result in some upgrades at the range? What do you guys all think about this situation? I really hope all this is resolved quickly so we can enjoy the rifle range again. Hopefully this isn't just wishful thinking and come up with some kind of "solution."
be part of the solution
https://2ahawaii.com/index.php?topic=12444.0
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The only person to still be unsatisfied would be anyone whose real goal was to shut down the range completely.
Bingo.
Anyone really think they will have heard the last from Knudsen et al, regardless of range improvements?
For those types, this is not about safety, it is about punishing those hated gun owners. That is what gun control has always been about:
An easy way to punish the non-believers.
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...I overheard Knudsen talking to the mayor about how dangerous it is to have the range in such close proximity to residential areas, and he was explaining that a round can easily hit someone on the Koko Head trail (stairs) or go over and hit more homes. He was explaining to the mayor that a wall needed to be built along the trail, or the range should be fully enclosed to prevent these possibilities...
People like Knudsen tick me off. He's just like the people with houses near MCBH, HI, and MCAS Miramar, CA, that complain about the noise. Their houses were built and purchased long after the places they complain about were built. The Koko Head Shooting Complex has been a shooting range since before 1950 (according to the website), MCBH has been a military installation since before 1939 (I was told the early 1900's by a PR person for the base), and Miramar was established in 1917. Unless people owned their property around these places before they were built they have no right to complain. They knew what was nearby and should have considered the risks. If they didn't, that's their fault for not checking the surroundings before the purchase and should consider moving. Same goes for the people hiking, pay attention to your surroundings, it may be what saves your life. Though I've never hiked that trail, if there isn't a sign stating that there is an active shooting range below it, maybe there should be.
Just my $0.02
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I was thinking that a simpler solution would be to move the firing points back instead of extending the roof / making an eyebrow.
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People like Knudsen tick me off. He's just like the people with houses near MCBH, HI, and MCAS Miramar, CA, that complain about the noise. Their houses were built and purchased long after the places they complain about were built. The Koko Head Shooting Complex has been a shooting range since before 1950 (according to the website), MCBH has been a military installation since before 1939 (I was told the early 1900's by a PR person for the base), and Miramar was established in 1917. Unless people owned their property around these places before they were built they have no right to complain. They knew what was nearby and should have considered the risks. If they didn't, that's their fault for not checking the surroundings before the purchase and should consider moving. Same goes for the people hiking, pay attention to your surroundings, it may be what saves your life. Though I've never hiked that trail, if there isn't a sign stating that there is an active shooting range below it, maybe there should be.
Just my $0.02
There was a sign stating that an active shooting range and that the trail was in line with it. The sign also stated that the trail is off limits. The city took it down after hikers bitched about it. That illegal trail still costs the city money because of all the HFD heli rescues.
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I was thinking that a simpler solution would be to move the firing points back instead of extending the roof / making an eyebrow.
wow, that's a great idea
i'll ask the mayor and parks director tonight
they will have to re-paint the yellow line too
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I wonder how many bullets in any condition one would have to find before a scam was obvious ;)
I mean really, you personally found ALL ;) of those bullets ?
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I bet Knudsen walks around with a metal detector hoping to find a 'stray' bullet.
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Ooh, ooh ... I found a stray bullet
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Ooh, ooh ... I found a stray bullet
LOL!
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Not sure about others, but if I were finding so many "stray" bullets, I'd be worried......maybe they aren't all really "strays!" Maybe they were close misses!
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Not sure about others, but if I were finding so many "stray" bullets, I'd be worried......maybe they aren't all really "strays!" Maybe they were close misses!
:D :D :D
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Any word if the silhouette side will be open this weekend? Or are they staying closed untill rifle reopens?
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Per macsak, KHSC Range cleanup day is confirmed on Dec 29 Sunday. Please schedule it in and spread the word! :shaka:
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Any word if the silhouette side will be open this weekend? Or are they staying closed untill rifle reopens?
id also like to know what the word on the silhouette is
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Any word if the silhouette side will be open this weekend? Or are they staying closed untill rifle reopens?
I heard they will be open but I don't know how reliable my source is. Sorry. :crazy: :crazy: :crazy:
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Thought this picture of a biathalon range was interesting, maybe for our longer range targets? Put "eyebrows" on those to mitigate riccochet/spall from flying.
(http://www.biathlonworld.com/media/images/presse/2011/2011-11-14_0f1036dc05ec1ec.jpg_image_scaler_667x500.jpg)
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I heard they will be open but I don't know how reliable my source is. Sorry. :crazy: :crazy: :crazy:
mike said today that they will likely be open
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Thought this picture of a biathalon range was interesting, maybe for our longer range targets? Put "eyebrows" on those to mitigate riccochet/spall from flying.
Biathlon is fired with .22 LR. The design would be much heavier and farther away
It would be interesting to use a biathlon format at KokoHead. Fire 10 shots then pick up your rifle and gear and run around the crater. That would stop a lot of the bench campers.
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I didn't see this in the notes from the town hall but these are some note garnered from a club email
3 additional recent incidents besides the stray bullet case of 27 Oct. 2013:
a. Another stray bullet impacting a house in the subdivision by Sandy Beach.
b. A stray bullet impacting the soft canvas top of a vehicle by the Botanical Gardens.
c. A hiker claiming that she heard a bullet whiz by her while hiking the trail going to the top of Koko Head.
The third one brings up the issue of the illegal trail.
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That's like a drug dealer saying someone stole my drugs...
It's probably more like a bee... Got plenty bees up there...
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Thought this picture of a biathalon range was interesting, maybe for our longer range targets? Put "eyebrows" on those to mitigate riccochet/spall from flying.
(http://www.biathlonworld.com/media/images/presse/2011/2011-11-14_0f1036dc05ec1ec.jpg_image_scaler_667x500.jpg)
Hot chicks in tights would always help........
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Thought this picture of a biathalon range was interesting, maybe for our longer range targets? Put "eyebrows" on those to mitigate riccochet/spall from flying.
(http://www.biathlonworld.com/media/images/presse/2011/2011-11-14_0f1036dc05ec1ec.jpg_image_scaler_667x500.jpg)
If this Ranger's target is Bi, I really don't care if she has eyelashes or not !
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Going though withdrawal symptoms .... Had a whole week of vacation and had to scrub my plans to get some range time in...
Maybe I should start play'n CoD with my kids
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Wow, Biathlon looks like an awesome sport.
http://content.time.com/time/video/player/0,32068,64069733001_1957690,00.html (http://content.time.com/time/video/player/0,32068,64069733001_1957690,00.html)
Macsac,, I will be on the mainland for the holidays and will miss the clean up. I'm going to send you some dough to use at your discretion. Thanks for all that you are doing for the shooting community.
Dave
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Wow, Biathlon looks like an awesome sport.
http://content.time.com/time/video/player/0,32068,64069733001_1957690,00.html (http://content.time.com/time/video/player/0,32068,64069733001_1957690,00.html)
Macsac,, I will be on the mainland for the holidays and will miss the clean up. I'm going to send you some dough to use at your discretion. Thanks for all that you are doing for the shooting community.
Dave
mahalo, superdave
have a great trip
and a great holiday season
aloha
steve
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A biathlon course/range would be awesome !!!
This is a true shooting sport made of skill and endurance.
Mauna Kea
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Bring this back to the top. One MONTH and still no progress on re-opening the rifle range! Let us not forget, this is the only public place you 'MAY' exercise YOUR 2ND AMENDMENT RIGHTS on this island! !!!!!!!!
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Bring this back to the top. One MONTH and still no progress on re-opening the rifle range! Let us not forget, this is the only public place you 'MAY' exercise YOUR 2ND AMENDMENT RIGHTS on this island! !!!!!!!!
This is due to the EPA regulations regarding lead in the soil and mitigation and safety issues for surrounding areas and the workers involved. The bureaucracy moves like molasses in winter. Fortunately we have the Mayor on our side, and having spoken to him and some of the other principles involved, I think we're actually on the "fast track". We have " He who shall not be named" to thank for the delays.
And yet......
At least 2 people were "rescued" from the trail up Koko Head [ at taxpayer expense ] yesterday. While they were knowingly breaking the law by trespassing on an unsanctioned trail.
Things that make you say Hmmmmm............
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Amendment II
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
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Amendment xxx
The right of the people to hike illegally up a dangerous path, then be rescued by the counties first responders and paid for by the taxpayer, shall not be denied.
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Are these illegal hikers arrested or fined after they are rescued?
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Amendment II
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
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Amendment xxx
The right of the people to hike illegally up a dangerous path, then be rescued by the counties first responders and paid for by the taxpayer, shall not be denied.
Amendment xxx? Ahh yes, must be from the "new and improved, rainbow unicorn" version of the Constitution. The one Obama apparently believes in.
Kind of like the old and new testament of the bible.
Personally, I've always been an old testament fan. Why change it if it works?
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Are these illegal hikers arrested or fined after they are rescued?
nope
not sure how it is for stairway to heaven, but for koko head, no
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Are these illegal hikers arrested or fined after they are rescued?
I'm sure they're given a stern talking to. Which has undoubtedly struck fear into hearts of all. ???
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They're like zombies going to the mall. " must hike Kokohead..."
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They're like zombies going to the mall. " must hike Kokohead..."
What like is the attitude. When I saw the coverage on the news about Mariners Ridge being closed they interviewed some chirpy hiker girl who said " oh, we'll probably just go around the fence and hike it anyway" and nobody said anything negative about it, even though they'd be breaking the law and knowingly trespassing on private property.
Then expect us taxpayers to pony up and save their rosy butts when they get into trouble. I'm tired of the double standard.
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What like is the attitude. When I saw the coverage on the news about Mariners Ridge being closed they interviewed some chirpy hiker girl who said " oh, we'll probably just go around the fence and hike it anyway" and nobody said anything negative about it, even though they'd be breaking the law and knowingly trespassing on private property.
Then expect us taxpayers to pony up and save their rosy butts when they get into trouble. I'm tired of the double standard.
(http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f14/Leesha_Gurl/random/AINOKEA.jpg)
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Are these illegal hikers arrested or fined after they are rescued?
They are only arrested if HPD intervenes, otherwise that is not part of the rescue crews job. From talking with a retired Fire Captain, all rescues that involve a rescue crew, helicopter, and/or HFD are paid by the city(taxpayers) with the exception of the Ambulance (something like $700?). I'm not even sure what type of penalties are given to trespassers... anyone ??? I can only guess that it would be different between private, city, and federal property.
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So if someone were to call the cops on the illegal hikers would they do anything about it?
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So if someone were to call the cops on the illegal hikers would they do anything about it?
The landowner would have to call the cops.
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dont know about recently
but in the past there used to be a guard stationed at haiku staircase hike, which is also a closed hike.
you would think having a gun range close by would warrant at least the same treatment.
try going on that haiku staircase hike, and the locals will harrass you saying its private property and a closed hike
and then they call the cops
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dont know about recently
but in the past there used to be a guard stationed at haiku staircase hike, which is also a closed hike.
you would think having a gun range close by would warrant at least the same treatment.
try going on that haiku staircase hike, and the locals will harrass you saying its private property and a closed hike
and then they call the cops
From what I can interpret by historical inaction on the part of the state and/or city is that the illegal trail has a higher precedence than the range. With everything that is going on recently with the range i.e. unsubstantiated blame of errant projectiles, shooters caught on photo in the midst of mounting a rifle etc. suggest an agenda that supports the trail while trumping the existence of Oahu's ONLY public shooting range. Let's not forget that first responders risk their lives in the rescue of these illegal hikers as well. The situation stinks as any accident on that trail is preventable. In addition, there was a crime that was committed on that trail with the criminal free and victims still suffering from his actions.
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So if someone were to call the cops on the illegal hikers would they do anything about it?
I do know an officer who has arrested illegal hikers on a different trail (still unsanctioned, just a different part of the island). They were arrested for trespassing after AIR 1 dropped them off. So, I'm guessing here, it's probably at the discretion of the responding office...
Boomah :shaka:
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From what I can interpret by historical inaction on the part of the state and/or city is that the illegal trail has a higher precedence than the range. With everything that is going on recently with the range i.e. unsubstantiated blame of errant projectiles, shooters caught on photo in the midst of mounting a rifle etc. suggest an agenda that supports the trail while trumping the existence of Oahu's ONLY public shooting range. Let's not forget that first responders risk their lives in the rescue of these illegal hikers as well. The situation stinks as any accident on that trail is preventable. In addition, there was a crime that was committed on that trail with the criminal free and victims still suffering from his actions.
PM sent regarding some ?s.
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While celebrating the new year with family, just noticed people taking pics & setting off some fireworks at the top of Koko Head crater...
Well, Happy New Year 2A, hoping for a better 2014! :shaka:
Boomah
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While celebrating the new year with family, just noticed people taking pics & setting off some fireworks at the top of Koko Head crater...
Well, Happy New Year 2A, hoping for a better 2014! :shaka:
Boomah
Gee, that answers the question of ,"Where did this come from?"
(http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/About/General/2012/6/20/1340169948729/Gaza-rocket-006.jpg)
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While celebrating the new year with family, just noticed people taking pics & setting off some fireworks at the top of Koko Head crater...
Well, Happy New Year 2A, hoping for a better 2014! :shaka:
Boomah
Gee, I wonder how many house strikes Knudnuts will find and blame on unsafe fireworks from KH Crater? :rofl:
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I'm sure they will be reported as rounds from the rifle range.
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Here's a solution to the fill needed and the source of the fill material.
Take the dredged material from HK and use that as fill to bring the range up to the height of the shooters' positions. Afterall, the sludge is already dirty. Hawaii Kai gets to rid their fill material and the range gets it.
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Brilliant !
Guinness "Brilliant" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NBh895KdXAU#)
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Yep, but that would keep the stuff they trying to get rid of in their own neighborhood. Probably not going to fly because it kinda seems like what Hawaii Kry wants, Hawaii Kry gets.