Post by: aieahound on January 03, 2016, 12:43:34 PM
The legislative session is starting in 18 days. That's short notice, but what about a holster-wearing, sign-waving, constitutionally-protected rally at the state capital all day?
January 20th, Wednesday.
9AM to 1PM
No organization, so, individuals on there own accord happen to be there at the same time, ON THE SIDE WALK ONLY.
- DO NOT bring or do anything that could be construed as illegal by HRS.
- Be professional, dress professional, keep the signage professional.
- Do NOT get into any confrontations. Ignore trolls that may happen by.
- Clean up after yourself
Who's in ?
https://2ahawaii.com/index.php?topic=21427.60 (https://2ahawaii.com/index.php?topic=21427.60)
Re-posted as other thread went deep to find this
Post by: eyeeatingfish on January 03, 2016, 03:10:54 PM
We should try to organize it through hdf or hra so as to spread the word better.
Post by: K30l4 on January 03, 2016, 03:55:51 PM
Post by: Heavies on January 03, 2016, 05:30:03 PM
Post by: Heavies on January 03, 2016, 05:43:12 PM
- DO NOT bring or do anything that could be construed as illegal by HRS.
- Be professional, dress professional, keep the signage professional.
- Do NOT get into any confrontations. Ignore trolls that may happen by.
- Clean up after yourself
Post by: bass monkey on January 03, 2016, 05:43:46 PM
Or en holster protest? Or maybe less scandal is better.....Are you going to be there?
We should try to organize it through hdf or hra so as to spread the word better.
I'd love to meet you
Post by: Heavies on January 03, 2016, 05:45:33 PM
Post by: Tom_G on January 03, 2016, 06:40:46 PM
Post by: edster48 on January 03, 2016, 06:57:49 PM
Or en holster protest? Or maybe less scandal is better.....
We should try to organize it through hdf or hra so as to spread the word better.
It would be nice if HDF or HRA or both got involved. Unfortunately both seem to move like molasses in sub zero temperatures, even if you can get them to respond.
Both organizations seem to be more concerned with "not losing" rather than winning, an attitude that all but guarantees losing by inches.
I say they can join us if they want.
JMHO 8)
Post by: edster48 on January 03, 2016, 07:02:11 PM
Depending on the date, I would like to take part.
Wednesday, January 20th.
Post by: Q on January 03, 2016, 08:34:41 PM
Who's in ?
https://2ahawaii.com/index.php?topic=21427.60 (https://2ahawaii.com/index.php?topic=21427.60)
Re-posted as other thread went deep to find this
In.
You should make it a poll to see how many people are going to show up.
Post by: suka on January 03, 2016, 09:18:15 PM
Bus routes?
Please post.
Post by: Jl808 on January 03, 2016, 09:29:12 PM
I volunteer my printer to print out copies for this.
Post by: edster48 on January 03, 2016, 09:53:03 PM
Anyone want to prepare the contents of fliers that we can hand out to people?
I volunteer my printer to print out copies for this.
An excellent idea!
We can hand them out to legislators as well.
It should focus on what a miserable failure control laws have been across the nation. Stats on CCW and crime, etc.
Post by: edster48 on January 03, 2016, 09:55:02 PM
Area Parking?
Bus routes?
Please post.
You on island brother?
Post by: suka on January 03, 2016, 09:56:10 PM
Post by: Aiea78 on January 03, 2016, 10:49:57 PM
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/06/01/maine-house-sides-with-senate-the-2nd-amendment-is-your-carry-permit/
Maine House Sides With Senate: The 2nd Amendment Is Your Carry Permit
by AWR Hawkins1 Jun 201512,184
On Monday, the Maine House joined with the Senate and passed LD 652, legislation which abolishes the concealed carry permit requirement in the state.
The measure passed the House Monday by a vote of 83 to 62 after passing the Senate by a vote of 23-12 on Friday.
According to the Portland Press Herald, LD 652 would leave the permitting process in place for those who want one for the purposes of concealed carry reciprocity, but it would be eliminated as a prerequisite for carrying in the state for self-defense.
In passing the legislation, the House added two amendment: “One would limit permitless carry to individuals 21 years old and older. The other requires those carrying a concealed handgun to tell a police office if they’re in possession of a weapon iduring a traffic stop.”
Maine already has open carry without a permit, and state senator Eric Brakey (R-Auburn) put forward LD 652 so residents legally carrying in the open would not be criminalized when a jacket or other piece of clothing covered their gun.
If the bill is signed by Gov. Paul LaPage (R), Maine will join Alaska, Arizona, Kansas, Vermont, and Wyoming, as states in which the Second Amendment is one’s carry permit. Montana is also on the list, only requiring a concealed carry permit within city limits within the state.
On April 9, Breitbart News reported that Maine State Police support rescinding the concealed carry permit requirement in the state. They pointed to the hassle of differentiating between when a gun is or isn’t concealed and said Maine would “be better off” without a concealed carry permit.
Follow AWR Hawkins on Twitter: @AWRHawkins. Reach him directly at awrhawkins@breitbart.com.
Post by: dirtylickins on January 03, 2016, 11:07:46 PM
Post by: Q on January 03, 2016, 11:20:10 PM
It might just be me, but they don't seem very active politically.
Post by: mauidog on January 03, 2016, 11:30:50 PM
I'd like to see the gun shops support this and show up.
It might just be me, but they don't seem very active politically.
Every time a new panic starts because Obama talks about banning something, they make out like bandits! Look what happened the week after Sandy Hook. I bought my Colt LE6940 that Monday. I went back on Thursday to get some ammo. Sold out!
Looked like locusts hit the place since Monday. Every single black rifle was gone, as well as over half the AK variants, along with every case of 5.56/.223 ammo in the warehouse. No AR PMags on the walls, either.
I know they want to service their customers by having enough inventory on island to sell you what you need when you need it, but to be able to sell a year's worth of firearms in a month? And the icing: short supplies, high demand, and subsequent price increases.
I'd shut up and color, too!
Post by: dustoff003 on January 03, 2016, 11:43:42 PM
I'd like to see the gun shops support this and show up.
It might just be me, but they don't seem very active politically.
Not that this forum is the be all end all for firearms in Hawaii, look at the LGS here on Oahu how many are active here? How many even have functioning websites? I wonder how many LGS or employees thereof are here anonymously or just lurk?
Post by: All_rice on January 03, 2016, 11:48:56 PM
I agree about local gun shops. One was quick to post to "hurry and get your rifle because the prices are going up", but no posts on 2a support?
Post by: aieahound on January 04, 2016, 07:32:22 AM
Area Parking? Cost?
Bus routes?
Please post.
There's cheap public parking at the garage on the right side of Alakea St. just before Hotel St. And the court house.
It's a hop, skip and jump to the Capitol.
Not metered so you don't have to keep going back to feed.
Don't know anything about the bus routes though.
Post by: dustoff003 on January 04, 2016, 09:36:49 AM
Bus routes?
Please post.
Go to google map enter your starting point then your end point as the Hawaii State Capital Building then select bus as your mode of travel and then you will have a complete route with transfers and walking guidance if necessary. There is no one route fits all solution as folks will be coming from different areas.(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/16/01/04/35b65d0df4ab217f5a1dcdaed5c6cb97.jpg)
Post by: Old Guy on January 04, 2016, 10:21:49 AM
Take a page from the anti's book.
They Bussed their people in from parking elsewhere.
If you going to have a rally, plan the day to have it on.
Like maybe when bill cross over.
Or when they have a Hearing on a particularly BAD anti gun bill.
Ever notice that such hearings are held when it is most inconvenient for us Working people to get to?
The antis already have their bills and "their" legislators set to introduce them like precious years.
What the 2A guys should do is have a Rally on different weekends at different locations thru out the islands
to get UN registered gun owners Registered to Vote.
At the same time have another table set up Away from voter registration to get them to be Dues paying HRA members.
What is really needed is sheer numbers of Voting Gun owners, not mooching gun owners.
That's a reason Why the antis get away with so much.
They Know that gun owners are lazy and really will not vote their guns.
Post by: GZire on January 04, 2016, 11:04:18 AM
Post by: Drakiir84 on January 04, 2016, 11:14:29 AM
Post by: eyeeatingfish on January 04, 2016, 06:58:10 PM
Are you going to be there?
I'd love to meet you
Gotta check my work schedule when I get back.
Post by: edster48 on January 04, 2016, 07:37:00 PM
Stuff like this should have been planned for Last year, not last minute.
Take a page from the anti's book.
Sorry our efforts are so "Last Minute", as you say.
Thing is, we've been waiting for the HRA or HDF to put something like this together, and it just hasn't been happening.
Don't get me wrong, they both do a great deal more than most of us see to protect our 2A rights. HRA does a great job dealing with the politicians and their bills, a no doubt boring and thankless task, akin to locking yourself in room full of third graders scraping their fingernails on chalkboards and squealing gibberish at the top of their lungs.
The HDF, well nobody can say Chris Baker hasn't done his part.
Remember though, we're not an "Organization". We're a bunch of loosely affiliated guys that know each other from the range, HRA or HDF, and chatting on this forum. We aren't getting any support from those organizations, we don't have a "budget" to provide transportation. Somebody had an idea, and we're trying to follow up and make it a reality.
Which is more than I see you doing.
Post by: eyeeatingfish on January 04, 2016, 08:14:46 PM
Post by: Heavies on January 04, 2016, 08:57:47 PM
9 people voted and only five of them said they would go just seems a little too small. It is also kind of short notice. Maybe we could spam all of the members of this forum with an email and that would be one way of getting more people to hearI'm going, if no one wants to join me that's up to them. I'll be the idiot waving the sign alone if it comes to it... Time to stand up.
Post by: Sodie on January 04, 2016, 09:33:38 PM
Post by: edster48 on January 04, 2016, 09:39:20 PM
9 people voted and only five of them said they would go just seems a little too small. It is also kind of short notice. Maybe we could spam all of the members of this forum with an email and that would be one way of getting more people to hear
Yeah, in 2 days, and that's just on this site. I've got people on other sites that are saying they'll come as well.
On notice this short I'd be happy with 20 people. If the trend continues I think it may be more.
I'll be going regardless. Heavies is right, time to stand up for our rights.
Since it seems to be up to us, we'll go for a higher count next year.
Post by: edster48 on January 04, 2016, 09:45:52 PM
Got work that day that I don't think I'll be able to get out of. :(
We still love you Sodie. We'll take pictures. :D
Post by: bass monkey on January 04, 2016, 10:07:14 PM
I hope I get to meet you EEF
Post by: Q on January 04, 2016, 10:37:07 PM
Has anyone attempted to contact NRA, GOA or NAGR and asked if they would put the word out via social media?
Post by: Heavies on January 04, 2016, 11:16:27 PM
Has anyone heard back from HRA?HRA ?
Has anyone attempted to contact NRA, GOA or NAGR and asked if they would put the word out via social media?
Contacted NRA GOA NAGR ?
got about 750+ people reached and 12 page shares so far.
How that will equate to bodies, don't know. It is a Wednesday, so.....
Not going to knock anyone. Work and family is very important. If possible, come out for a little while at least.
Post by: oldfart on January 05, 2016, 02:15:25 AM
Post by: Inspector on January 05, 2016, 07:06:55 AM
I have to agree with the others here in regards to the last minute showing and doing this on a work day. The protest that I was at a few years ago was well organized in advanced and held on a Saturday when I could tell my work I was too busy to come in and not reap any dire consequences from doing so. We made a HUGE statement that day and there was media coverage as well as some interaction with the public. I think this is the way we should proceed in the future. I doubt that having a protest on a particular weekday by 20 people would make any larger impact than the 200 we had on a Saturday. I would love to do this with you guys but your timing and day of the week is precluding me from doing so. :(
Post by: oldfart on January 05, 2016, 07:46:03 AM
To get a large group it would need to be sponsored by hra.
Post by: aieahound on January 05, 2016, 09:01:53 AM
I have to agree with the others here in regards to the last minute showing and doing this on a work day. The protest that I was at a few years ago was well organized in advanced and held on a Saturday when I could tell my work I was too busy to come in and not reap any dire consequences from doing so. We made a HUGE statement that day and there was media coverage as well as some interaction with the public. I think this is the way we should proceed in the future. I doubt that having a protest on a particular weekday by 20 people would make any larger impact than the 200 we had on a Saturday. I would love to do this with you guys but your timing and day of the week is precluding me from doing so. :(
I agree with inspector. Unless we get more than 20 people it would be a waste of time.
To get a large group it would need to be sponsored by hra.
This is not an "organized" event.
You guys want to organize one, start planning and I'll show up.
This is not just a particular weekday. It's the opening day of the legislative session.
So good chance media will be there.
This was an off the cuff great idea by one of our esteemed members that some of us (hopefully a bunch) just jumped on board with.
So far looks like we got at least 9 or 10.
If that number pans out it will definitely have been worth it. Hopefully that number keeps getting bigger.
Strength in numbers.
Glad your coming OF.
Sorry you can't make it Inspector. I'm sure many members can't get off work and we respect that.
Post by: Dumbgun on January 05, 2016, 10:05:51 AM
t-shirt. Anybody know a shirt guy or silk screener.
Post by: Inspector on January 05, 2016, 10:47:41 AM
This is not an "organized" event.Not trying to discourage nor disparage you from doing this. :thumbsup:
You guys want to organize one, start planning and I'll show up.
This is not just a particular weekday. It's the opening day of the legislative session.
So good chance media will be there.
This was an off the cuff great idea by one of our esteemed members that some of us (hopefully a bunch) just jumped on board with.
So far looks like we got at least 9 or 10.
If that number pans out it will definitely have been worth it. Hopefully that number keeps getting bigger.
Strength in numbers.
Glad your coming OF.
Sorry you can't make it Inspector. I'm sure many members can't get off work and we respect that.
I guess I am just disappointed that I won't be a part of it. :grrr:
Make sure you make good legible signs that can be read from a distance. A good handout would be nice as well. :wave:
Good luck with your effort and I hope you get much more than 20 people to show. :shaka:
:needvid:
Post by: aieahound on January 05, 2016, 11:30:06 AM
Wasn't trying to be a dick or anything just emphasizing this is just a last minute great idea and the comments about last minute and how to do it better have got nothing to with the price of pickles right now.
If we can muster support this will be great.
Maybe we can make it an annual thing.
Opening day of Legislature.
This has the potential to be pivotal.
1000+ views and 17 responses ?
Come on guys just take a little extra lunch break. ;)
Post by: Inspector on January 05, 2016, 11:53:57 AM
..Wasn't trying to be a dick or anything just emphasizing this is just a last minute great idea and the comments about last minute and how to do it better have got nothing to with the price of pickles right now.(http://www.sherv.net/cm/emoticons/guns/big-machine-gun.gif) No worries, I didn't take it that way.
Post by: Old Guy on January 05, 2016, 12:57:29 PM
After my posting I got an email from another old timer who is, shall we say "politically savvy"
Opening Day is bad, may get lost in the crowd.
POOR turn out = weakness/poor support
May Piss off legislators.
You want a Successful Rally,
Get together with the HRA old timers who Picketed Rey Graulty's fund raisers and made TV news.
During the 90's at the height of the anti 2A legislation HRA got almost 300 Men, Women & Children out to rally at the Capitol.
Pick the time & place to Rally Successfully.
Get Organized, do your homework.
Post by: Heavies on January 05, 2016, 01:08:36 PM
You guys know that this forum is Monitored by many people/organizations.
After my posting I got an email from another old timer who is, shall we say "politically savvy"
Opening Day is bad, may get lost in the crowd.
POOR turn out = weakness/poor support
May Piss off legislators.
You want a Successful Rally,
Get together with the HRA old timers who Picketed Rey Graulty's fund raisers and made TV news.
During the 90's at the height of the anti 2A legislation HRA got almost 300 Men, Women & Children out to rally at the Capitol.
Pick the time & place to Rally Successfully.
Get Organized, do your homework.
I respect you old guy, and respect what you have done for 2a. However, in the short time I have been participating in this movement, I have never seen anything like this ever really organized by the HRA. Not knocking the HRA in any way, just my observation. I know the HRA and pacs role is more a legislative lever, so maybe it is very prudent they "keep the door open" if you will...
I know you have called for better proactive protest in the past, why would this day be a bad mark on our cause? If everyone is civil and professional about it, I can't see a drawback.
Gun control is a hot topic right now, why not take advantage of it?
Post by: Old Guy on January 05, 2016, 01:53:01 PM
A small group will be Lost in the crowd on Opening Day.
Will be competing with other groups that want to be heard.
Small showing may indicate to legislators looking that Majority of gun guys don't care.
If you're going to Rally, you want the stage to be yours.
Every one who said they will be there is a Guy.
The Last big HRA Rally at the Capitol I attended had Men, Women & Children show up.
Pick a day & time when Entire families can come.
Make sure to bring the Wife & Kids.
After all, a gun is an Equal Opportunity Protector.
In this day and age, Women and children are at risk.
The Rally should be for them.
I want the legislator to tell me to my face that Women and Children don't deserve Protection.
The Most Dangerous person is a Mother defending her family.
Post by: aieahound on January 05, 2016, 03:22:57 PM
The last big rally I went to was the national firearms day rally couple of years ago.
And it wasn't organized by the HRA.
I'm just curious.
Seems HRA hasn't organized a rally in the last five years at least.
And Old Guy, I totally respect you.
However, with your comments, suggestions and "politically savvy" friends, are you volunteering to organize a rally the "right" way ?
Are you suggesting we are causing more harm than good and should just shut it down until you can organize a "proper" rally ?
My thinking is at least we are out there doing something proactive, but I could be wrong.
What say you ?
Post by: Tom_G on January 05, 2016, 03:39:27 PM
Post by: Aiea78 on January 05, 2016, 05:36:29 PM
pics would show consistency over time no matter the numbers. when the HDF first started nobody showed up for range days. imagine if Chris just gave up then.
anyways. the beauty of this country is our freedoms including to stand alone in protest. maybe spinning wheels until something big looms, ok, I get that too.
anger them? they supposed to represent and serve us what in the hell they got to be angry about. we are the ones that can't get CHL. we are the ones who can't open / Constitutional carry. we are the ones going back and forth and back and forth and back and forth again across the island to purchase. we are the ones who have to spend extra money for neutered mags that does nothing about crime in reality puts us at distinct disadvantage against the multiple/crims with unblocked or high cap mags. we are the ones that have to put up with noise complaints at the range when the answer is allow for suppressors like so many other states can have. and on and on.
Post by: Aiea78 on January 05, 2016, 05:43:50 PM
I'd rather have the 6 real people.
Post by: mauidog on January 05, 2016, 05:59:58 PM
The producers are always too busy or have too many commitments to attend rallies on a work day. Politicians and those who have the most to gain from the legislature (unions, special interest groups, unemployed, etc.), are who you tend to find at rallies.
Having said that, just getting one or two people on the news making a well-thought-out comment goes a long way toward attracting public sentiment. That can have a positive impact on the uninformed masses who get all their news at 6 and 11.
Post by: edster48 on January 05, 2016, 06:20:09 PM
The last rally I remember HRA organizing was in 2013 I believe, and I attended. Were they to organize another, I would attend that too.
They haven't. In fact, they don't even deign to respond when asked for support for something not organized by them.
I, and many others are tired of waiting. We'll take action if HRA or HDF won't.
Notice for this event may be short, the day is inconvenient due to the machinations of a government that doesn't have our best interests at heart. However, in an election year, with a POTUS that is openly hostile to the Constitution and especially the 2nd Amendment, I believe it is nothing short of foolish to fail to get our message out to the people, and especially our legislators.
All it takes for Evil to prevail, is for good men to stand by, and do nothing.
This is just the beginning.
Post by: Q on January 05, 2016, 06:25:48 PM
You know, there are some of us who don't like being in public because it makes us extremely uncomfortable, yet we will still be making the effort because this issue matters.
Thomas Paine said it best:
"THESE are the times that try men's souls. The summer soldier and the sunshine patriot will, in this crisis, shrink from the service of their country; but he that stands by it now, deserves the love and thanks of man and woman. Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered; yet we have this consolation with us, that the harder the conflict, the more glorious the triumph. What we obtain too cheap, we esteem too lightly: it is dearness only that gives every thing its value. Heaven knows how to put a proper price upon its goods; and it would be strange indeed if so celestial an article as FREEDOM should not be highly rated."
Post by: SOLEsource684 on January 05, 2016, 06:32:24 PM
Post by: eyeeatingfish on January 05, 2016, 06:58:41 PM
What types of signs are you guys thinking of making for this one. Meaning what will they say.?
Post by: dustoff003 on January 05, 2016, 07:07:34 PM
When I see hundreds of people protesting in the middle of the week, my first impression is, "That many people don't have jobs?" Except when I see the word "Union" on their signs ... then it doesn't surprise me!
The producers are always too busy or have too many commitments to attend rallies on a work day. Politicians and those who have the most to gain from the legislature (unions, special interest groups, unemployed, etc.), are who you tend to find at rallies.
Having said that, just getting one or two people on the news making a well-thought-out comment goes a long way toward attracting public sentiment. That can have a positive impact on the uninformed masses who get all their news at 6 and 11.
Guess we should all wear AK Operators's Union, Local 47-74 shirts then
I'm kind of with old guy on this one. I would really prefer me more planned organized one with more numbers and more impact.
What types of signs are you guys thinking of making for this one. Meaning what will they say.?
So since it's not a big planned event you don't want to come or won't come?
Post by: aieahound on January 05, 2016, 07:44:07 PM
I'm kind of with old guy on this one. I would really prefer me more planned organized one with more numbers and more impact.
What types of signs are you guys thinking of making for this one. Meaning what will they say.?
First one doesn't mean the last one.
We can do more.
But from 1 comes 2. From 2 comes 3. And from 3 comes the Myriad of things....
Tom_G's idea is a good one. It deserves to be seen through.
The last rally I remember HRA organizing was in 2013 I believe, and I attended. Were they to organize another, I would attend that too.
They haven't. In fact, they don't even deign to respond when asked for support for something not organized by them.
I, and many others are tired of waiting. We'll take action if HRA or HDF won't.
Notice for this event may be short, the day is inconvenient due to the machinations of a government that doesn't have our best interests at heart. However, in an election year, with a POTUS that is openly hostile to the Constitution and especially the 2nd Amendment, I believe it is nothing short of foolish to fail to get our message out to the people, and especially our legislators.
All it takes for Evil to prevail, is for good men to stand by, and do nothing.
This is just the beginning.
+1
Post by: Q on January 05, 2016, 08:13:17 PM
But from 1 comes 2. From 2 comes 3. And from 3 comes the Myriad of things....
HAIL HYDRA
Post by: aieahound on January 05, 2016, 09:54:28 PM
Come on folks. We need the support. ( We being the 2A community) :shaka:
Post by: Aiea78 on January 05, 2016, 10:02:05 PM
http://khon2.com/2016/01/05/doe-report-reveals-21-students-caught-with-firearms-most-in-elementary-middle-schools/
Teachers want action at ‘unsafe’ Pahoa school after spate of violence
Violent incidents frequent at Hawaii middle, high schools
Nearly twice a month, a child is caught with a firearm at a Hawaii public school.
That’s according to the Department of Education, which is required to report these incidents to the state.
According to a report submitted this week, for the 2014-2015 school year, there were 21 incidents where a firearm was brought to school.
Sixteen involved airguns, while five were classified as “other.”
The report clarifies: “With the revision of Chapter 19, Hawaii Administrative Rules, the definition of ‘firearm’ has been expanded beyond the federal and state laws.”
According to Hawaii Administrative Rules §8-19-2:
“Firearm” means: (1) Any weapon including but is not limited to a starter gun, shotgun, air guns which includes BB guns, pellet guns, paintball guns, or cross bow or any other instrument which will or is designed to or may readily be converted to expel a projectile;
Every island except Kauai saw some type of firearm show up in a school. Incidents were reported at eight middle schools, eight elementary schools and three high schools.
In all 21 cases, the students were expelled. Read the full report here.
There’s been a gradual decline in incidents since the 2005-2006 school year, which saw 104 incidents, but the numbers are still enough to alarm parents.
“We shouldn’t have guns in schools, even toy guns,” said one parent.
“I would like to see none actually, and I’m wondering where they’re coming up with these guns and how are they getting out of the home,” said another.
Cherise Musselman, a former elementary school teacher, said pellet guns can still be dangerous.
“Where are they getting these guns? In elementary school, that’s kind of more scary, because they don’t have an idea of what death is like or what true harm they can do,” Musselman said.
Last school year, the DOE introduced its “Be Cool and Keep Our School Safe” campaign with reminder sessions held throughout the year. Officials also monitored hot spots to help spot any violent behavior.
One local children’s group says it agrees with what the DOE is doing to keep firearms out of schools.
“In general, we endorse BOE policies because they have kids in mind and we think that the protection of kids should be utmost,” said Jeannine Souki with Hawaii Children’s Action Network.
In a statement, the DOE said:
“The Department of Education does everything we can to ensure a nurturing, positive environment for our students. Over the years, we have seen fewer and fewer serious discipline incidents, and this legislative report highlights that trend.
Over the past ten years, we saw the least amount of firearm incidents during the 2014-2015 school year. Of the 21 incidents, none of them included traditional gunpowder based firearms, with 16 incidents involving airguns and five makeshift implements.
We will continue to work with administrators to implement proactive measures that prevent violence on our campuses. We appreciate the efforts of our teachers, parents and the community in helping us keep all students safe.
Post by: Rocky on January 05, 2016, 11:09:56 PM
The spitballs thru BIC pens that have been around since I was kid fall under this description. :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Post by: Rocky on January 05, 2016, 11:15:51 PM
"THESE are the times that try men's souls. The summer soldier and the sunshine patriot will, in this crisis, shrink from the service of their country but he that stands by it now, deserves the love and thanks of man and woman. Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered; yet we have this consolation with us, that the harder the conflict, the more glorious the triumph. What we obtain too cheap, we esteem too lightly: it is dearness only that gives every thing its value. Heaven knows how to put a proper price upon its goods; and it would be strange indeed if so celestial an article as FREEDOM should not be highly rated."
Thomas Paine
Fixed it
Post by: Q on January 06, 2016, 01:17:44 AM
Fixed it
I had it right the first time. :shaka:
Post by: aieahound on January 06, 2016, 09:38:59 AM
The irony in this thread.
Showing up on a day where every other cause and their mom will be at the Capitol makes very little impact in relation to, oh, say, showing up and testifying at a scheduled, televised public hearing.
But what do I know, right? I'll reserve my input and take my 15 years of lobbying and gov experience elsewhere where it's more appreciated and put to better use.
Unless 2,000 pro-2a people show up on the 20th, it would be more effective to do such a display on a day where none of the other thousand special interest groups show up.
We just don't want to be late to the party. :D
Like I said previously, this doesn't mean this is the only action we take this year.
Just the start to announce our presence.
Heck, we didn't even organize anything. We Just put out the call.
And don't take your expertise elsewhere. I mean you can share it elsewhere but continue to share it with us too.
Post by: dustoff003 on January 06, 2016, 10:04:06 AM
For all you folks grumbling if you can do something better do it. If your not gonna show up keep you squelch to yourselves.
Post by: aieahound on January 06, 2016, 06:39:33 PM
I got your holster. :thumbsup:
( That doesn't sound right )
Post by: eyeeatingfish on January 06, 2016, 07:24:19 PM
I just had an interesting idea... what about f I brought my 4 year old to attend the rally? Probably couldnt stay as long though.
Post by: dustoff003 on January 06, 2016, 07:47:37 PM
So what are some sign ideas? I hate protesters who carry signs looking like a 5 year old drew it, gotta look more professional. Gotta.get a head start but.not sure what I would put.
I just had an interesting idea... what about f I brought my 4 year old to attend the rally? Probably couldnt stay as long though.
I was gonna put
"Defend Yourself Concealed Carry for Hawaii" maybe with a handgun drawing.
"Carry a gun because a cop is too heavy"
"I am a Gun Owner and I vote"
I was also thinking about one with context that ISIS has threatened my life and I am helpless to defend myself.
"Down with the Chief"
"CCW should be at the State Level"
"When seconds count Police are minutes away. CCW"
No cockroach my sign ideas
What were you thinking?
Maybe a small one for your daughter "I wish daddy could protect me"
EFF if you came a lot of us would be happy to meet you and I am sure there will be plenty Uncle's and maybe an Auntie or two to keep an eye on your Keiki.
Post by: Q on January 06, 2016, 07:51:17 PM
I was gonna put
"Defend Yourself Concealed Carry for Hawaii" maybe with a handgun drawing.
"Carry a gun because a cop is too heavy"
"I am a Gun Owner and I vote"
I was also thinking about one with context that ISIS has threatened my life and I am helpless to defend myself.
"Down with the Chief"
"CCW should be at the State Level"
"When seconds count Police are minutes away. CCW"
No cockroach my sign ideas
What were you thinking?
Maybe a small one for your daughter "I wish daddy could protect me"
EFF if you came a lot of us would be happy to meet you and I am sure there will be plenty Uncle's and maybe an Auntie or two to keep an eye on your Keiki.
Ho brah, no steal my sign! :rofl:
Mine was going to say:
WHEN SECONDS COUNT, HPD IS ONLY MINTUES AWAY
LET ME PROTECT THE PEOPLE I CARE ABOUT UNTIL THE POLICE ARRIVE TO TAKE OVER
*National Average Police Response Time: 10 MINTUES
#RememberMaluniuAve2008
Post by: tpi001 on January 06, 2016, 07:59:02 PM
But in all seriousness, I bet you'll get more inquiries and TV shots without waving one sign or saying one word. At the very least, 2A supporters could not be misunderstood as crazy gun-toting psychos!
Post by: edster48 on January 06, 2016, 08:12:37 PM
FUNCTION
FAIL
RUST
VIOLENCE IS FROM THE HEART
DON'T LEAVE US DEFENSLESS AGAINST IT.
Post by: mauidog on January 06, 2016, 08:20:29 PM
GUN SAFETY
COMES FROM
EDUCATION,
NOT
LEGISLATION
Post by: bass monkey on January 06, 2016, 08:38:08 PM
Im a firearm owner and part of your community.
Im a hunter and part of this community.
Post by: eyeeatingfish on January 06, 2016, 09:12:14 PM
I was gonna put
"Defend Yourself Concealed Carry for Hawaii" maybe with a handgun drawing.
"Carry a gun because a cop is too heavy"
"I am a Gun Owner and I vote"
I was also thinking about one with context that ISIS has threatened my life and I am helpless to defend myself.
"Down with the Chief"
"CCW should be at the State Level"
"When seconds count Police are minutes away. CCW"
No cockroach my sign ideas
What were you thinking?
Maybe a small one for your daughter "I wish daddy could protect me"
EFF if you came a lot of us would be happy to meet you and I am sure there will be plenty Uncle's and maybe an Auntie or two to keep an eye on your Keiki.
I am out of town for now and won't know my work schedule till I get back so I can't promise I will come yet.
I was thinking and appropriate sign design could say something to the effect of I shouldn't have to ask for permission to exercise a right but I don't know how to say it concise enough. Something along the lines of the current lawsuit logic involving the State having to prove we don't need the right rather than us proving we do need the right. I don't know how to make that argument fit on a sign. I do like the funny ones you made, cops are too heavy to CCW.
As for my child I was wondering whether or not that might get us more attention. I would have to bribe my kids to keep from whining though.
Post by: aieahound on January 06, 2016, 09:55:28 PM
Ho brah, no steal my sign! :rofl:
Mine was going to say:
WHEN SECONDS COUNT, HPD IS ONLY ]MINTUES AWAY
LET ME PROTECT THE PEOPLE I CARE ABOUT UNTIL THE POLICE ARRIVE TO TAKE OVER
National Average Police Response Time:10 MINTUES AWAY
]#RememberMaluniuAve2008
I'm gonna steal your sign.
Except mines gonna say minutes. :D
GUN SAFETY
COMES FROM
EDUCATION,
NOT
LEGISLATION
MDog, you gonna be there ? :thumbsup:
Post by: mauidog on January 06, 2016, 10:32:42 PM
Q,
I'm gonna steal your sign.
Except mines gonna say minutes. :D
MDog, you gonna be there ? :thumbsup:
I can neither confirm nor deny .....
Playing it by ear.
Has anyone checked the opening day schedule to see when the News Stations might be arriving/leaving the official events? When the News crews are leaving would be the best time to have the most bodies waving signs, I think.
The more gun-themed clothing, signs, and banners, the more it might attract the news crews, with all the Executive Action stuff happening now.
Someone should also consider having a list of topics, comments, & answers to print and study ahead of time. Could be helpful if anyone gets a microphone shoved in their face.
Just thinking out loud. Having a consistent and well-articulated message would look better than a bunch of unprepared, off the cuff responses.
Post by: All_rice on January 07, 2016, 03:37:35 AM
Post by: Inspector on January 07, 2016, 05:03:10 AM
Post by: aieahound on January 07, 2016, 07:17:25 AM
I would suggest you have one spokes person that will do the talking for the group. So if the public engages, the news interviews start, or whoever approaches, you have one voice and one message. You will lose all credibility if you have diverse messages. Just a suggestion. :shaka:
What's the message?
We are here to support the right to protect ourselves and our loved ones, and possibly the public, with concealed carry.
As many recent events have shown us, when seconds count, police are only minutes away.
The current Police Chief has not and does not approve any concealed carry permits even for trained and upstanding citizens.
The odds that a responsible citizen will ever need to use their concealed firearm would be rare.
But like President Obama said, if we can prevent one incident it is a success.
Also studies show that in States with concealed carry there is a correlation in a drop in violent crimes.
That's my message and why I'm not talking.
I nominate Tom G. This was his idea.
And he's experienced with the media.
Suggestions on messages ?
Post by: 88ss on January 07, 2016, 08:21:52 AM
"Today I exercise my 1st ammendment right , the 2nd ammendment made it possible"
And the backside ...."gun control isn't about guns, it's about control"
Sign in one hand , flag in the other. No holster, no pc (edit:plate carrier)
Post by: matt0137 on January 07, 2016, 08:42:06 AM
Post by: aieahound on January 07, 2016, 08:58:15 AM
Hope you can make it.
Post by: aieahound on January 07, 2016, 09:07:50 AM
I'm not sure this State is ready for it in a group setting at the Capitol and I'm still worried about backlash because she's a bitch and tends to hang around for a long time.
I just don't want to set the momentum back.
If we get ccw no one would see a holster.
I'll certainly do it if it's in our best interest, but just wondering what other members think
Just seems we might seem intimidating and turn people off to our cause
Post by: Aegis808 on January 07, 2016, 10:18:03 AM
What does everyone think about the empty holster thing for this occasion ?
I'm not sure this State is ready for it in a group setting at the Capitol and I'm still worried about backlash because she's a bitch and tends to hang around for a long time.
I just don't want to set the momentum back.
If we get ccw no one would see a holster.
I'll certainly do it if it's in our best interest, but just wondering what other members think
Just seems we might seem intimidating and turn people off to our cause
what are they gonna do, ban carry even more?
Post by: aieahound on January 07, 2016, 11:21:58 AM
what are they gonna do, ban carry even more?
Concealed carry is different from open carry.
And we want them to lift the ban. Not keep the Status Quo.
Post by: Inspector on January 07, 2016, 12:15:32 PM
Right now we are waiting for the appeal to the ruling. So does he have the right to deny us CCW permits while we wait for the decision in the appeals case? I wouldn't think so because would he not be in violation of the most recent court order by not following the letter of the law?
Or the self defense and family defense are good messages to push if the one above is too technical or lengthy.
Either way if you get 5 different protesters asked the same question and answered it 5 different ways you will appear unorganized and probably not taken very seriously. If it is true you will be there in small numbers you will want to present yourselves as professional and courteous and in tune with each other as possible. No one knows how unorganized this protest is right now. Otherwise ridicule on the part of the media can be more hurtful than one might think.
JMHO :shaka:
Post by: Q on January 07, 2016, 12:35:58 PM
The message should be something you all agree upon. For instance I suggest you may want to say that all we want is for the Chief of Police Kealoha to abide by the court's ruling and start handing out CCW permits.
Right now we are waiting for the appeal to the ruling. So does he have the right to deny us CCW permits while we wait for the decision in the appeals case? I wouldn't think so because would he not be in violation of the most recent court order by not following the letter of the law?
Or the self defense and family defense are good messages to push if the one above is too technical or lengthy.
Either way if you get 5 different protesters asked the same question and answered it 5 different ways you will appear unorganized and probably not taken very seriously. If it is true you will be there in small numbers you will want to present yourselves as professional and courteous and in tune with each other as possible. No one knows how unorganized this protest is right now. Otherwise ridicule on the part of the media can be more hurtful than one might think.
JMHO :shaka:
Isn't that the point of us going down there?
Post by: Inspector on January 07, 2016, 12:55:55 PM
Isn't that the point of us going down there?Yes. Aieahound asked for "what message?" and I gave him two suggestions.
Post by: Aiea78 on January 07, 2016, 03:17:53 PM
Yes. Aieahound asked for "what message?" and I gave him two suggestions.
I'm sticking with the CCW theme, small signs no huge banner or anything, would need help with that. Got a concept just need to make prototypes :)
The first year my wife and I made extra signs and handouts - pro 2a graphic one side, NRA membership info on the other. Others brought extra flags to hand out. It was a great moment with everyone out there cheering and making noise lining both sides of the street! I expect this first showing more low key as we see what new stuff if any going to be proposed.
Post by: Aiea78 on January 07, 2016, 03:28:06 PM
What does everyone think about the empty holster thing for this occasion ?
I'm not sure this State is ready for it in a group setting at the Capitol and I'm still worried about backlash because she's a bitch and tends to hang around for a long time.
I just don't want to set the momentum back.
If we get ccw no one would see a holster.
I'll certainly do it if it's in our best interest, but just wondering what other members think
Just seems we might seem intimidating and turn people off to our cause
Most people in Hawaii have no idea what a holster looks like to begin with and at this point it's just an article of clothing anyways, completely harmless. protected by the First Amendment as well?
I think crossing the line is when something that looks like a gun is placed in it. then pandora's box is opened. a bright orange screwdriver, not so much. I think. depends what the definition of is, is? haha. ouch.
Post by: Q on January 07, 2016, 03:30:17 PM
Most people in Hawaii have no idea what a holster looks like to begin with and at this point it's just an article of clothing anyways, completely harmless. protected by the First Amendment as well?
I think crossing the line is when something that looks like a gun is placed in it. then pandora's box is opened. a bright orange screwdriver, not so much. I think. depends what the definition of is, is? haha. ouch.
Maybe we should fill our holsters with dildos.
I mean, every town for gun safety did it.
Post by: mauidog on January 07, 2016, 03:41:28 PM
Maybe we should fill our holsters with dildos.
I mean, every town for gun safety did it.
The 2A message would be overshadowed by the LGBT supporters stopping by to see what's going on!
Post by: Aiea78 on January 07, 2016, 03:44:22 PM
Maybe we should fill our holsters with dildos.
I mean, every town for gun safety did it.
Stand back or be schlonged!
Post by: Q on January 07, 2016, 04:39:17 PM
Stand back or be schlonged!
Should I bring an assault pillow?
https://youtu.be/RaTZCZuOBHo
Post by: bass monkey on January 07, 2016, 04:45:19 PM
The 2A message would be overshadowed by the LGBT supporters stopping by to see what's going on!
If we tag teamed together, imagine the possibilities
Post by: eyeeatingfish on January 07, 2016, 05:41:34 PM
"Don't make us ask for permission to excersize our rights"
Or maybe a question form, "why do we have to ask for permission to use our rights?"
Then some sort of image of a firearm.
Post by: edster48 on January 07, 2016, 05:58:55 PM
What does everyone think about the empty holster thing for this occasion ?
I'm not sure this State is ready for it in a group setting at the Capitol and I'm still worried about backlash because she's a bitch and tends to hang around for a long time.
I just don't want to set the momentum back.
If we get ccw no one would see a holster.
I'll certainly do it if it's in our best interest, but just wondering what other members think
Just seems we might seem intimidating and turn people off to our cause
I'm in agreement with Aiea78 on this one. Most people won't even know what it is without explanation.
Backlash from what? The fact that we've been effectively disarmed?
The fact that we have the unmitigated gall to stand up because we're being denied our constitutionally protected rights?
Or will it be from the fact that we're speaking the truth.
The entire purpose of wearing an empty holster is to bring attention to this.
Imposing political correctness on the argument about our 2nd Amendment rights is what will doom our efforts to failure.
Those that are perpetually intimidated or offended, will find something to dislike about us regardless. Even if we put fluffy bunnies in our holsters and sing "kumbaya" while handing out flowers.
My opinion: Don't worry about it. If we're pissing those people off we must be doing something right.
Post by: eyeeatingfish on January 07, 2016, 06:50:11 PM
I'm in agreement with Aiea78 on this one. Most people won't even know what it is without explanation.
Backlash from what? The fact that we've been effectively disarmed?
The fact that we have the unmitigated gall to stand up because we're being denied our constitutionally protected rights?
Or will it be from the fact that we're speaking the truth.
The entire purpose of wearing an empty holster is to bring attention to this.
Imposing political correctness on the argument about our 2nd Amendment rights is what will doom our efforts to failure.
Those that are perpetually intimidated or offended, will find something to dislike about us regardless. Even if we put fluffy bunnies in our holsters and sing "kumbaya" while handing out flowers.
My opinion: Don't worry about it. If we're pissing those people off we must be doing something right.
Im leaning with aieahound on this one. I prefer no open holsters on this one.
Post by: Rocky on January 07, 2016, 09:00:26 PM
Signage should express just that. :geekdanc:
1) "- DO NOT bring or do anything that could be construed as illegal (or intimidating) by (to) HRS (or anyone else)
2) - Be professional, dress professional, keep the signage professional.
3) - Do NOT get into any confrontations. Ignore trolls that may happen by.
4) - (Clean up yourself) Clean up after yourself
:wave:
No holsters.see #1
Tom G as spokes person. see #2. :wave:
I think we should put our best appearance forward, 8) be non threatening :-* and present our message in a professional manner. :geekdanc:
Get me a serious head count and lunch/waters is on me .
Anybody got a nice clean professional non threatening wagon ? :rofl:
JMHO :love:
Post by: Q on January 07, 2016, 09:48:43 PM
This is not a protest >:D or a demonstration :grrr: , but an "assembly of law abiding :geekdanc: citizen voters ;), some of which are firearm owners :shaka: displaying their displeasure :( of Hawaii's CCW and other firearm related laws" to their legislators :sleeping:
Signage should express just that. :geekdanc:
1) "- DO NOT bring or do anything that could be construed as illegal (or intimidating) by (to) HRS (or anyone else)
2) - Be professional, dress professional, keep the signage professional.
3) - Do NOT get into any confrontations. Ignore trolls that may happen by.
4) - (Clean up yourself) Clean up after yourself
:wave:
No holsters.see #1
Tom G as spokes person. see #2. :wave:
I think we should put our best appearance forward, 8) be non threatening :-* and present our message in a professional manner. :geekdanc:
Get me a serious head count and lunch/waters is on me .
Anybody got a nice clean professional non threatening wagon ? :rofl:
JMHO :love:
Ho brah, who died and made you ali'i of protest island ah braddh mokes?! :rofl:
Post by: aieahound on January 07, 2016, 09:54:56 PM
What say you ?
Post by: Aegis808 on January 07, 2016, 11:57:05 PM
Post by: Aiea78 on January 08, 2016, 01:26:44 AM
going it alone I guess. if there are like minded people so be it, if not, will still be protected by the rights individual or otherwise.
searches on 7x24 bail bonds next. haha
Post by: Q on January 08, 2016, 02:28:51 AM
If the majority of you plan to use it, cool.
If no one wants to use it, cool.
What will not happen is someone dictating how I will dress, what I will do, what I will say, what I will hand out and who will speak for me if I am presented with a question. I am well educated enough to respond in a professional manner, as well as act as act with professionalism and tact in a professional setting that broadcasts light on the 2a community.
If I wanted to be micromanaged, I would have stayed in the Army.
Ok, rant done...who's down for pizza? :stopjack:
(https://i.imgflip.com/x0umg.jpg)
PS: I need to correct some of the wording, so this is just a rough draft
Post by: edster48 on January 08, 2016, 05:35:24 AM
Empty holsters are NOT illegal. Someone that "construes" them as such is ignorant and needs to be educated. I shall be wearing mine. This is the United States of America, you choose what is right for you.
Show up clean, dressed and sober. Thongs and nipple tassels are not appropriate attire.
Educate people about responsible firearms ownership, whomever they may be. Avoid violent confrontation at all costs.
I'll be bringing a cooler of water and soft drinks, sorry, no beer until after. 8)
Post by: aieahound on January 08, 2016, 09:05:09 AM
But I guess you should leave your Mankini at home (just a suggestion)
Looks like empty holsters it is by majority of participants. (Not required of course)
going it alone I guess. if there are like minded people so be it, if not, will still be protected by the rights individual or otherwise.What are you talking about ?
searches on 7x24 bail bonds next. haha
We're riding in the same car and my wife has our bail money. ;)
Good thing no one on this forum does anything against the law.
I told you folks this thing wasn't organized.
Grass roots baby.
Looks like participation is climbing :thumbsup: :shaka:
PIZZA !
Post by: Tom_G on January 08, 2016, 09:37:21 AM
As far as holsters, I'll bring one along, but have yet to decide if I'll be wearing it or not. I can't decide exactly what message it sends, and if that message is a support or distraction fro my agenda.
Me, as spokesperson? I'm honored! Many of you haven't met me, though... I wear my hair long, it tends to be unkempt (particularly after an afternoon marching around in the sun!), my beard in untrimmed, and the closest thing to "professional" clothes I can easily manage would be an NRA Polo shirt. I can be eloquent, but I look like either a hippie or a biker. If that's the face you want, I shan't decline, but there are more media-genic articulate people in our ranks.
Post by: Jl808 on January 08, 2016, 09:54:17 AM
Someone's elderly mother?
Sorry to say but in this state, a female talking about her right to self defense says a whole lot more than it coming from a male.
Alternatively, someone who is older and has a physical disability might also send a more powerful message than an able bodied man.
Post by: edster48 on January 08, 2016, 10:02:59 AM
Xring girl? Beach bikini hottie?
Sorry to say but in this state, a female talking about her right to self defense says a whole lot more than it coming from a male.
Alternatively, someone who is older and has a physical disability might also send a more powerful message than an able bodied man.
[/quoteXring girl? Beach bikini hottie?
Sorry to say but in this state, a female talking about her right to self defense says a whole lot more than it coming from a male.
Alternatively, someone who is older and has a physical disability might also send a more powerful message than an able bodied man.
In that case, thongs and nipple tassel's are allowed.
Post by: Dumbgun on January 08, 2016, 03:52:28 PM
This is the flier I created and intend to hand out.
If the majority of you plan to use it, cool.
If no one wants to use it, cool.
What will not happen is someone dictating how I will dress, what I will do, what I will say, what I will hand out and who will speak for me if I am presented with a question. I am well educated enough to respond in a professional manner, as well as act as act with professionalism and tact in a professional setting that broadcasts light on the 2a community.
If I wanted to be micromanaged, I would have stayed in the Army.
Ok, rant done...who's down for pizza? :stopcock:
You got my support. Be glad to assist. And I will be holstered up, Will bring an extra for any unarmed and unholstered likeminded. We can keep trying the same old same old, and get the same status quo. Or try something new. I say open/CCW T-shirts. That way the squeamish can protest on there time off and while at leisure. Unfortunately I don't know didly about T-shirts, design or procurement.I am researching the matter. I was thinking if someone knows how to silk screen, they can make a master copy and anyone who wants just brings there own shirts. Cheap efficient and no membership dues.
(https://i.imgflip.com/x0umg.jpg)
PS: I need to correct some of the wording, so this is just a rough draft
Post by: Q on January 08, 2016, 04:36:07 PM
Nice flyer Q !
But I guess you should leave your Mankini at home (just a suggestion)
I told you don't tell me what to do! :rofl:
Post by: Q on January 08, 2016, 10:03:11 PM
I will try and print out 50-100 fliers before the event.
Also, if anyone wants to proof read and let me know of any mistakes, feel free to do so as well :shaka:
Post by: dustoff003 on January 09, 2016, 10:28:57 AM
If anyone else would like to submit an invite you can do it here, https://www.donaldjtrump.com/contact/
Post by: Aiea78 on January 09, 2016, 11:28:05 AM
I doubt it will go anywhere or happen however I just submitted a invite for Donald Trump to join us on the 20th at the capital. There are no events listed on his schedule that day.
If anyone else would like to submit an invite you can do it here, https://www.donaldjtrump.com/contact/
awesome :D
check this out too, we're not alone.
http://concealednation.org/2016/01/awkward-moments-in-concealed-carry-check-out-my-empty-holster/
Post by: Rocky on January 09, 2016, 01:59:44 PM
there are more media-genic articulate people in our ranks.Please tell us your thoughts o longhair, unshaven, NRA card carrying, hippie biker. :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
:wave:
Did you ask Donald also ?
Post by: mauidog on January 09, 2016, 04:45:30 PM
Please tell us your thoughts o longhair, unshaven, NRA card carrying, hippie biker. :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
:wave:
Did you ask Donald also ?
I think if someone really cared about the cause, they would suck it up and get a haircut, shave and some decent clothes.
But maybe that's just me!?
:geekdanc:
Post by: dustoff003 on January 09, 2016, 04:47:11 PM
I think if someone really cared about the cause, they would suck it up and get a haircut, shave and some decent clothes.
But maybe that's just me!?
:geekdanc:
None of those make the man!
Post by: mauidog on January 09, 2016, 04:51:43 PM
None of those make the man!
I've heard the opposite all my life. You only get one chance to make a first impression.
Most people won't ever spend the time to really get to know us.
Post by: Tom_G on January 09, 2016, 06:10:15 PM
I think if someone really cared about the cause, they would suck it up and get a haircut, shave and some decent clothes.
But maybe that's just me!?
:geekdanc:
It 's not just you. I have a name for people like that, but given the profanity-free bias of our newest moderator, I'll leave as an exercise to the reader to guess.
Post by: Jl808 on January 09, 2016, 06:18:50 PM
I just ask that you keep it at a respectable level, in consideration that this is a public forum.
Post by: Tom_G on January 09, 2016, 06:39:23 PM
Hey, I support your right to free speech. I don't / won't stop you if you do.
I just ask that you keep it at a respectable level, in consideration that this is a public forum.
I will not tolerate a few things though....
1) profanity,
Mixed messages?
Post by: Jl808 on January 09, 2016, 08:54:33 PM
If you feel you need to talk like a trucker, go ahead. I won't stop you. You're old enough to know and do what you like. It just reflects badly on you and, by association, on all of us.
Maybe you're right. I do "tolerate" it and am sending mixed messages. But I was merely listing things I watch for as a moderator but am not draconian about this.
Post by: Rocky on January 10, 2016, 09:19:12 PM
I think if someone really cared about the cause, they would suck it up and get a haircut, shave and some decent clothes.:wtf:
But maybe that's just me!?
:geekdanc:
That's even out of line for you dog !
You have no idea what's underneath that longhair, unshaven, NRA card carrying, hippie biker.
Post by: mauidog on January 10, 2016, 09:46:12 PM
:wtf:
That's even out of line for you dog !
You have no idea what's underneath that longhair, unshaven, NRA card carrying, hippie biker.
Maybe it would benefit Tom to check out what's under there once in a while, just to be sure something hasn't set up housekeeping!?
:rofl:
Post by: Heavies on January 11, 2016, 01:01:59 PM
Post by: eyeeatingfish on January 11, 2016, 08:14:05 PM
Can anyone think of a better way to word this statement so it fits on a sign better, more concise?
"Why do I have to ask permission to exercise my right"
or
"Don't make me ask for permission to exercise my right"
Just thought of this one, "what if freedom of speech were as heavily regulated as the freedom to have firearms"
Post by: aieahound on January 11, 2016, 10:05:03 PM
It's on ! :thumbsup:
Post by: Heavies on January 11, 2016, 10:26:10 PM
I shared this event on Facebook and I saw someone else share it in a firearm buy/sell room. I think whether we like it or not, this thing is on.
Can anyone think of a better way to word this statement so it fits on a sign better, more concise?
"Why do I have to ask permission to exercise my right"
or
"Don't make me ask for permission to exercise my right"
Just thought of this one, "what if freedom of speech were as heavily regulated as the freedom to have firearms"
(http://ep.yimg.com/ay/yhst-50863389838911/free-men-don-t-ask-permission-t-shirt-19.gif)
Too much?
Post by: Q on January 12, 2016, 01:03:17 AM
I shared this event on Facebook and I saw someone else share it in a firearm buy/sell room. I think whether we like it or not, this thing is on.
Can anyone think of a better way to word this statement so it fits on a sign better, more concise?
"Why do I have to ask permission to exercise my right"
or
"Don't make me ask for permission to exercise my right"
Just thought of this one, "what if freedom of speech were as heavily regulated as the freedom to have firearms"
How about
"How can a man being federally investigated for civil rights violations also be the same man who decides if I am fit to carry a weapon for protection?"
Post by: Jl808 on January 12, 2016, 01:54:27 AM
An armed man is a citizen. An unarmed man is a subject.
A gun in the hand is better than a cop on the phone.
Gun control is not about guns; it’s about control.
If guns cause crime, then cameras cause pornography.
Free men should not have to ask permission to bear arms.
If you don’t know your rights you don’t have any.
Those who trade liberty for security have neither.
The United States Constitution
1791. All Rights Reserved.What part of "shall not be infringed" do you not understand?
The second amendment is in place in case they ignore the others.
Criminals love gun control – it makes their jobs easier and safer.
Only a government that is afraid of its citizens tries to control them.
Post by: Q on January 12, 2016, 03:41:19 AM
Here's a list of my favorite one liners:
An armed man is a citizen. An unarmed man is a subject.
A gun in the hand is better than a cop on the phone.
Gun control is not about guns; it’s about control.
If guns cause crime, then cameras cause pornography.
Free men should not have to ask permission to bear arms.
If you don’t know your rights you don’t have any.
Those who trade liberty for security have neither.
The United States Constitution
What part of "shall not be infringed" do you not understand?
The second amendment is in place in case they ignore the others.
Criminals love gun control – it makes their jobs easier and safer.
Only a government that is afraid of its citizens tries to control them.
Someone could also figure out how to make a phrase referencing the fact that the 2nd amendment is the ONLY amendment in the Bill of Rights that has the phrase "shall not be infringed".
Post by: edster48 on January 12, 2016, 04:39:24 AM
They posted about this on their Facebook page asking for members to join in.
Definitely a positive step for Hawaii's gun owners in presenting a united front against gun control.
https://www.facebook.com/Hawaii-Rifle-Association-440594362691609/?fref=nf (https://www.facebook.com/Hawaii-Rifle-Association-440594362691609/?fref=nf)
Post by: Inspector on January 12, 2016, 05:02:30 AM
Post by: Dumbgun on January 12, 2016, 07:32:51 AM
Ive mentioned the voting block before. We need to get a registry of gun owners who are willing to dedicate there vote for the sole purpose of legal carry. Open or CCW. A union dedicated to any legal form of carry.
I personally would like to see more 2a'ers wearing empty holsters. Need to get more buzz going, Get our blood stirring, Like the pride I felt when I was in uniform. Strap on your holster and let that be our uniform.
"They won't steal our 2a rights all at once, not in one lump sum. They will embezzle it fractionally." -Dumbgun
Post by: Tom_G on January 12, 2016, 07:40:01 AM
Looks like we're getting some support from HRA! :thumbsup:
They posted about this on their Facebook page asking for members to join in.
Definitely a positive step for Hawaii's gun owners in presenting a united front against gun control.
https://www.facebook.com/Hawaii-Rifle-Association-440594362691609/?fref=nf (https://www.facebook.com/Hawaii-Rifle-Association-440594362691609/?fref=nf)
I reached out to them yesterday evening, sent them a blurb. Within a few hours, both the HRA and LIFE FB pages had my blurb up.
Post by: Tom_G on January 12, 2016, 09:53:18 AM
Post by: mauidog on January 12, 2016, 10:46:40 AM
Do our state legislators take an oath of office? If so, what's the content? Still looking for something pithy and succinct for my sign.
Interesting tidbit I didn't know: In Hawaii, Legislators' term of office begin the day of the General Election in which the members won their race. They don't wait to begin their duties on opening day.
Quote
OATH OF OFFICE
Section 4. All eligible public officers, before entering upon the duties of their respective offices, shall take and subscribe to the following oath or affirmation:
"I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States, and the Constitution of the State of Hawaii, and
that I will faithfully discharge my duties as ........................ to best of my ability."
As used in this section, "eligible public officers" means the governor, the lieutenant governor, the members of both houses of the legislature, the
members of the board of education, the members of the national guard, State or county employees who possess police powers, district court judges,
and all those whose appointment requires the consent of the senate. [Ren and am Const Con 1978 and election Nov 7, 1978; am SB 1440 (1992)
and election Nov 3, 1992]
Post by: Jl808 on January 12, 2016, 12:52:27 PM
Post by: Heavies on January 12, 2016, 01:02:21 PM
Post by: Aiea78 on January 12, 2016, 01:14:36 PM
Maybe it would benefit Tom to check out what's under there once in a while, just to be sure something hasn't set up housekeeping!?
:rofl:
??? >:(
Post by: Aiea78 on January 12, 2016, 01:18:14 PM
Where are we going to all meet up?
last time we gathered at the benches by the entrance. of course it was not crowded at all so easy to find each other even if we didn't know who was who was where :)
Post by: Aiea78 on January 12, 2016, 01:26:26 PM
Interesting tidbit I didn't know: In Hawaii, Legislators' term of office begin the day of the General Election in which the members won their race. They don't wait to begin their duties on opening day.
Post by: Tom_G on January 12, 2016, 02:11:09 PM
Post by: aieahound on January 14, 2016, 09:49:25 AM
Did you folks see Georgia introduced an assault weapons ban, including banning possession, on the opening day of their Legislature ?
Obummer is calling on the States to do his bidding and be his minions.
We need to announce our presence.
Post by: eyeeatingfish on January 14, 2016, 06:16:43 PM
last time we gathered at the benches by the entrance. of course it was not crowded at all so easy to find each other even if we didn't know who was who was where :)
I think if we look for anyone holding up signs it should be easy to find right?
Anyone feel comfortable enough to provide a phone number we can call about location and whatnot?
Post by: aieahound on January 14, 2016, 08:32:30 PM
Last resort yell Q........ (Just kidding Q. And I'm not telling you what to do :D)
Post by: dustoff003 on January 15, 2016, 01:43:06 PM
Post by: Aiea78 on January 15, 2016, 03:18:11 PM
Just walk around yelling Tom G......Edster....Heavies...Hound....
Last resort yell Q........ (Just kidding Q. And I'm not telling you what to do :D)
Support the Constitution!
Support the 2nd Amendment!
It's our right!
-the Patriot
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8)
I like that one.
Post by: eyeeatingfish on January 15, 2016, 05:33:15 PM
Where's every body gonna park?
There is metered parking underneath the capital but it might likely be filled on opening day if it is as popular as people say.
Post by: Tom_G on January 19, 2016, 08:03:59 AM
Gotta get my sign made today. I wish I'd swung by Ben Franklin's over the weekend, but I have a couple of disposable large cardboard boxes in my office.
I think I've gotten my message as succinct as is possible:
Repeal HRS 134
Post by: aieahound on January 19, 2016, 08:18:25 AM
Little more expensive than meters but not outrageous.
Hop and skip from the Capitol.
http://www.yelp.com/biz/alii-place-honolulu
Post by: eyeeatingfish on January 19, 2016, 09:13:55 AM
Post by: aieahound on January 19, 2016, 09:28:59 AM
Tomorrow!Optimistic sign there Tom.
Gotta get my sign made today. I wish I'd swung by Ben Franklin's over the weekend, but I have a couple of disposable large cardboard boxes in my office.
I think I've gotten my message as succinct as is possible:
Repeal HRS 134
Mine's gonna look like a 4th graders sign.
You Swore to Uphold the Constitution..
The Right to Keep and Bear Arms
(One side)
Right to Bear Arms
When Seconds Count
Police are Minutes Away.
(Other side)
All ideas stolen from others on this thread.
Thanks guys :shaka:
Post by: Q on January 19, 2016, 11:24:01 AM
Has anyone shared this rally on the Facebook page stolen stuff Hawaii?
Good idea.
Post by: Tom_G on January 19, 2016, 03:38:24 PM
Post by: dustoff003 on January 19, 2016, 04:01:14 PM
There is metered parking underneath the capital but it might likely be filled on opening day if it is as popular as people say.
I know if that parking thanks I parked there last time I was proclaimed... I was looking more for off capital grounds parking spots
See you tomorrow!Public parking at Alii Place on Alakea St.
Little more expensive than meters but not outrageous.
Hop and skip from the Capitol.
http://www.yelp.com/biz/alii-place-honolulu
Thanks hound!!!
I just found this friends,
https://www.hawaii.edu/offices/eaur/govrel/otherdocs/capitol_parking_map.pdf
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160120/f4eddd0337139e747c827ad936cbfca4.jpg)
Another mention of Ali'i Place,
http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/2007/Jan/14/ln/FP701140374.html
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160120/d893ed410cac9652f0069c1195b82fae.jpg)
Post by: mauidog on January 19, 2016, 04:49:23 PM
I may have several advanced skillsets, but spray glue does not seem to be one.
Perhaps something you are more accustomed to holding would be better?
(http://i.imgur.com/ihZn9IF.jpg)
Post by: Heavies on January 19, 2016, 08:38:15 PM
Post by: dustoff003 on January 19, 2016, 10:33:35 PM
See you all tomorrow!! :thumbsup:Yep and see you all tomorrow too!
My signs look worse than if a 4 year old made them
Do we have a rally point or area I mind were we are gonna do this on the Capitol grounds?
Post by: Jl808 on January 19, 2016, 10:52:44 PM
The 2 files contain the same thing. The slides file contains 16 pages. The handout file contains 4 pages (4 slides per page).
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Post by: Heavies on January 20, 2016, 01:10:50 AM
I haven't made any sign yet and don't know if I have anything nice to make one out of either. Don't even have a gun rights related shirt. Wonder if someone can bring 2ahawaii shirts and I can buy one.... I suppose we don't all need signs though, but more bodies is good.Don't have a shirt, but 2A got me a bunch of bumper stickers for us to pass out. :thumbsup:
Post by: eyeeatingfish on January 20, 2016, 01:23:04 AM
Don't have a shirt, but 2A got me a bunch of bumper stickers for us to pass out. :thumbsup:
Cool! I just hope we have a few nice professional looking signs so the group message is clear and obvious.
Post by: edster48 on January 20, 2016, 05:24:14 AM
I'd post a picture but the site says my file is too big. { I get that a lot. } ;)
I picked up flyers from Q, any body have a table they could bring to set up all the "stuff" on? Yes, it's allowed.
As I posted before, I'll be bringing a cooler with water and soft drinks, someone else will need to bring doughnuts.
I'm going to try to get there a little early to find a "good" spot, if possible.
See you there!
Post by: Inspector on January 20, 2016, 06:56:15 AM
I wish you a lot of luck and I hope you don't run across any angry anti-gun fanatics. :shake: :shake: :shake:
Seriously, thanks for representing us on a work day!!!! :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Post by: MuffinMan on January 20, 2016, 08:09:18 AM
As I posted before, I'll be bringing a cooler with water and soft drinks, someone else will need to bring doughnuts.
I'm going to try to get there a little early to find a "good" spot, if possible.
See you there!
Won't having donuts bring the cops? :rofl:
Post by: eyeeatingfish on January 20, 2016, 08:13:00 AM
Post by: aieahound on January 20, 2016, 08:15:43 AM
A shirt would be good. :D
Post by: MuffinMan on January 20, 2016, 08:19:31 AM
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Post by: dustoff003 on January 20, 2016, 09:01:26 AM
Nearly there now. Damn traffic.Rgr that same here I am fronting Aloha Tower waiting to turn left onto Akakea St.
does anybody have a lint roller.... Just kidding
Post by: dustoff003 on January 20, 2016, 09:20:51 AM
Post by: Aiea78 on January 20, 2016, 09:30:07 AM
I'd like to pass by one senator's office, "low key" and just to say hi around noon when visiting is open and was encouraged. More details when get there but you guys probably figure who it is already :)
Post by: eyeeatingfish on January 20, 2016, 09:31:53 AM
Post by: dustoff003 on January 20, 2016, 09:35:15 AM
Session officially opens at 10am I think. Me and 'hound will be there by 11am.Hound Edster48 says get your narrow ass down here!!!(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160120/bd5482bcac6c80b4794f9c440b985e0c.jpg)4 out of xx?
I'd like to pass by one senator's office, "low key" and just to say hi around noon when visiting is open and was encouraged. More details when get there but you guys probably figure who it is already :)
Mahalo for printing the fliers Q!!!
Post by: dustoff003 on January 20, 2016, 09:36:34 AM
I should be there by 9:45 . 45. I made a banner we can tape to the table.
No more table
Post by: macsak on January 20, 2016, 09:44:54 AM
Hound Edster48 says get your narrow ass down here!!!(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160120/bd5482bcac6c80b4794f9c440b985e0c.jpg)4 out of xx?
Mahalo for printing the fliers Q!!!
Awesome job, guys!!!!!
Post by: dustoff003 on January 20, 2016, 11:02:17 AM
Awesome job, guys!!!!!That would mean more in person
. Come on stragglers!!!
EEF is real!!! Lol
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160120/7269d7db2004eed9875365232f24b515.jpg)
My senators door... Day 1 out to lunch
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160120/b341552e260dd0ed8c474de962bc2e68.jpg)
Post by: 808glocker on January 20, 2016, 01:39:21 PM
Post by: aieahound on January 20, 2016, 01:42:48 PM
Good turnout and visiting sen. And rep. Offices went well.
Aiea78 even got a great shot with Gov. Ige and got him to hold and fold up our flyer. :D
Sen. Slom and Rep. Kong Rock !
Post by: Aiea78 on January 20, 2016, 02:02:58 PM
trying this again, first pass pics too big
Post by: Aiea78 on January 20, 2016, 02:03:55 PM
Post by: Aiea78 on January 20, 2016, 02:06:12 PM
Thank you Sen. Sam Slom for the invite, food and hospitality!
Thank you Rep. Sam Kong for the hospitality also and gun rights support.
Now let's see where it goes from here.
Post by: Inspector on January 20, 2016, 02:12:37 PM
Post by: Aiea78 on January 20, 2016, 02:13:06 PM
We definitely got noticed today. Was great to participate. Everybody has a voice, protected by the constitution. Maybe the Bern supporter who chided me that he supported all the amendments will think about his choice of candidate more.
Post by: Tom_G on January 20, 2016, 02:18:53 PM
Post by: aieahound on January 20, 2016, 02:23:37 PM
Great idea !
And props to all who showed.
P.S. Great photos '78
Post by: MuffinMan on January 20, 2016, 02:41:35 PM
I wasn't able to get away from work. :(
Thanks for posting the pictures Aiea78 and for doing the interviews Tom and Ed....
Post by: oldfart on January 20, 2016, 02:44:25 PM
We even got threatened by some cranky old lady!
Post by: Dumbgun on January 20, 2016, 03:31:08 PM
Those that attended, stayed as long as they could and went to work. But! they made the time and effort. WE all need to be more active. Lets here some thoughts to correct this glaring denial of our rights. Any ideas where we can all gather and protest in numbers at a time more advantageous to members. In the view of the general public.
You can wish in one hand and crap in the other. See which gets filled first.-Mick
Thanks to the fellas for making signs and holster cut outs, and especially the refreshments. I dropped the ball on that one.
Most thankful for those who showed up.
Semper Fi.
Post by: edster48 on January 20, 2016, 03:47:51 PM
I finally got to meet edster, 78, dumbgun, jl808.
We even got threatened by some cranky old lady!
Yeah, that old lady was like the cherry on top, the finishing touch right before the last of us left.
Though I have to say, I didn't feel she threatened us. She said, "All you people should be KILLED", which I took more as an opinion.
She was the only real negative person we encountered. Even the Bernie supporters were polite to us!
Great job Dustoff003, Heavies, Jl808, Dumbgun, EEF {!!!}, Aiea78, A-hound, oldfart, bass monkey, Tom_G, Jason and Tommy from the 808 guns and acc. forum!
I don't think I missed anyone, but if I did, speak up and be recognized! You are all good men, and true.
Thanks to Q for printing up the flyers for us, Aiea78 managed to get one into Gov. Ige's hands AFTER he got his picture taken with him!
Lots of positive responses from motorists and passersby. Tom and I got interviewed by Olelo and Tom was interviewed for a radio show by the representative from the Grassroots Institute.
Thanks as well to Sen. Slom for his hospitality and his unfailing support. Send him some money to support his campaign if you can and give him your vote please!
I think we did a good job of getting our message out in a positive way, especially considering our small numbers.
Thanks again guys, I'm already looking forward to next year!
Post by: macsak on January 20, 2016, 03:49:39 PM
I finally got to meet edster, 78, dumbgun, jl808.
We even got threatened by some cranky old lady!
what?
threatened?
Post by: Q on January 20, 2016, 04:06:57 PM
Really proud of the turn out. Hopefully we can have a bigger turn out when we plan the next one.
Post by: Aiea78 on January 20, 2016, 05:25:56 PM
the holster is from the good folks at Savoy Leather http://www.savoyleather.com/
IWB or OWB under two smackers, hand tooled and super grade IMO heirloom quality even
buy with confidence.
and now, back to your regularly scheduled 2a forum :shaka:
Post by: dustoff003 on January 20, 2016, 05:40:13 PM
Yo Dumbgun ;D
the holster is from the good folks at Savoy Leather http://www.savoyleather.com/
IWB or OWB under two smackers, hand tooled and super grade IMO heirloom quality even
buy with confidence.
and now, back to your regularly scheduled 2a forum :shaka:
Nice 78! Speaking of holsters who's holster do I have? Was that yours or hound's. PM me where to return it to and I can swing buy on the weekend. Thanks!
Post by: Jl808 on January 20, 2016, 05:54:43 PM
Post by: eyeeatingfish on January 20, 2016, 06:55:51 PM
I finally got to meet edster, 78, dumbgun, jl808.
We even got threatened by some cranky old lady!
Didn't realize you were going, I could have brought the goods! I guess I left before you got there.
Post by: oldfart on January 20, 2016, 08:01:07 PM
Didn't realize you were going, I could have brought the goods! I guess I left before you got there....
I know...but I couldn't get there too early or I would be wiped out at work.
That would be a bad thing.
Post by: Heavies on January 20, 2016, 08:05:41 PM
She said, "All you people should be KILLED"
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
;D
Post by: Tom_G on January 20, 2016, 09:34:33 PM
Post by: Jl808 on January 20, 2016, 09:40:06 PM
[Edit] Are you referring to the ones posted by Aiea78? Doesn't seem to be a way to easily save those on the browser but it was easy enough to do on Tapatalk. If you PM me your email, I'll email them to you.
Post by: Heavies on January 21, 2016, 12:53:11 AM
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Post by: Rocky on January 21, 2016, 10:18:55 AM
Did'nt quite make it as by the time I got done with business and in the area, it was already 4pm. :'(
As for "She said, "All you people should be KILLED" :shake:, wish that could have been video'd to show how violent minded the "Anti's" are. >:D
People with guns should be killed ? :wacko:
Thanks again.
:shaka:
Post by: Dumbgun on January 21, 2016, 02:28:29 PM
Thanks to all who showed up or helped. :thumbsup:She said it as she passed us. Almost under her breath. And kept walking. A uniformed cop checked us out, said they had a complaint of 200 people getting rowdy. There was only three of us on the lawn then, the rest went into the building. The cop was cool and just doing his job and then moved along. We are guessing it was the GMO protesters. Shit load of them there. Handful of us gun nuts. Protesting at an event is good but everyone can protest on there own on there own schedule. Get out there. Help us, help the cause, help yourselves.
Did'nt quite make it as by the time I got done with business and in the area, it was already 4pm. :'(
As for "She said, "All you people should be KILLED" :shake:, wish that could have been video'd to show how violent minded the "Anti's" are. >:D
People with guns should be killed ? :wacko:
Thanks again.
:shaka:
No politician is going to pay attention to 12 guys at a rally once a year, Needs to be ALL gun owners everywhere all the time. Not just at the range, or here on the forum.
Post by: eyeeatingfish on January 21, 2016, 02:43:24 PM
Post by: Q on January 21, 2016, 02:51:27 PM
She said it as she passed us. Almost under her breath. And kept walking. A uniformed cop checked us out, said they had a complaint of 200 people getting rowdy. There was only three of us on the lawn then, the rest went into the building. The cop was cool and just doing his job and then moved along. We are guessing it was the GMO protesters. Shit load of them there. Handful of us gun nuts. Protesting at an event is good but everyone can protest on there own on there own schedule. Get out there. Help us, help the cause, help yourselves.
No politician is going to pay attention to 12 guys at a rally once a year, Needs to be ALL gun owners everywhere all the time. Not just at the range, or here on the forum.
So start planning the next one months in advance; problem solved.
Post by: edster48 on January 21, 2016, 07:30:35 PM
So start planning the next one months in advance; problem solved.
Next time, lets stake out a spot with a little shade ; :o 8))!.... Stupid emoticons...
We need to get a table on the "inside" like the Bernie supporters. We'll have to find out what, if anything, is required to do that.
Advance planning will certainly be key!
I plan to start looking at dates for the coming year that would be good for another rally. We need to build on the momentum and build our numbers.
Speaking of upcoming dates, isn't February CCW month? I'm sure HPD and Chief Kealoha miss us!
Post by: Q on January 21, 2016, 08:02:53 PM
We need to get a table on the "inside" like the Bernie supporters. We'll have to find out what, if anything, is required to do that.
Advance planning will certainly be key!
I plan to start looking at dates for the coming year that would be good for another rally. We need to build on the momentum and build our numbers.
Speaking of upcoming dates, isn't February CCW month? I'm sure HPD and Chief Kealoha miss us!
I also liked your idea of bringing back a mass CCW registration, planned MONTHS in advance so no one has any excuses.
Would be nice to get the local organizations involved, but their lack of support for recent events has proved disheartening, and it seems that we might have to rough it out alone.
I'm also still entertaining the idea of having a structured debate/open forum. It fell apart last year because I couldn't secure the venue I wanted (they wanted a $1 million insurance deposit :o :shake: :crazy: ), but I am seeing what we could possibly do this year.
Post by: aieahound on January 21, 2016, 08:51:13 PM
Can you imagine if it was actually organized.
Post by: Jl808 on January 21, 2016, 09:32:20 PM
1. Picket the street to spread public awareness and gain support
2. Go visit our legislators and ask them to support gun rights bills.
The signs that we carried made it easy for us to find each other in that big place. I also used the sign as good conversation starters with people at the Capitol.
I loved it when the three of us went to talk to Will Espero and asked him what he is doing about gun bills this year. I think we could plan this better next year and ask him specifics of what bills he could support and what bills we don't like.
With better planning, we make sure to talk to the legislators in the key committees that will be handling firearms related bills.
With better organization and additional time in planning, maybe we can one day grow this to something big like that hawaiian group that took the whole 1st floor of the Capitol.
Post by: Jl808 on January 21, 2016, 09:34:50 PM
Also, we still have the whole 2016 legislative session ahead of us.
Get to know your senators and representatives and engage them in conversation this year.
Let's plan out to have a show of support when the bills gets introduced and heard.
Post by: Q on January 21, 2016, 09:36:39 PM
I loved it when the three of us went to talk to Will Espero and asked him what he is doing about gun bills this year. I think we could plan this better next year and ask him specifics of what bills he could support.
I spoke with him about clarifying the state law as to the enforcement of firearms policy with regards to medical marijuana participants; seemed to be the only one that cared at all.
What did he say when you spoke with him?
Post by: Jl808 on January 21, 2016, 10:43:38 PM
I spoke with him about clarifying the state law as to the enforcement of firearms policy with regards to medical marijuana participants; seemed to be the only one that cared at all.
What did he say when you spoke with him?
Nothing beneficial for gun owners.
He said the only thing he has planned related to firearms is introducing a bill to preventing purchase of firearms for those on the no fly list.
I asked him what about those who are mistakenly placed on the list. He said they will have to have provisions for removing someone from the list.
Post by: eyeeatingfish on January 21, 2016, 10:52:59 PM
Post by: eyeeatingfish on January 21, 2016, 10:57:08 PM
We need to get a table on the "inside" like the Bernie supporters. We'll have to find out what, if anything, is required to do that.
Advance planning will certainly be key!
I plan to start looking at dates for the coming year that would be good for another rally. We need to build on the momentum and build our numbers.
Speaking of upcoming dates, isn't February CCW month? I'm sure HPD and Chief Kealoha miss us!
Sure, we could get a table inside, and maybe even a real banner.
Post by: Aiea78 on January 22, 2016, 01:22:33 AM
Nice suggestion on a table inside all official like the other groups. I hope outside support shows up too but not going to count on it though would be a welcome surprise.
Post by: Aiea78 on January 22, 2016, 01:24:10 AM
Hey, is there a way to download these inline images?
if you haven't gotten them downloaded already, PM me your email and I'll send copies over
Post by: Q on January 22, 2016, 03:32:58 AM
Nothing beneficial for gun owners.
He said the only thing he has planned related to firearms is introducing a bill to preventing purchase of firearms for those on the no fly list.
I asked him what about those who are mistakenly placed on the list. He said they will have to have provisions for removing someone from the list.
Disappointing.
We should send him the video of Trey Gowdy destroying the DHS representative with regards to the no-fly list.
Post by: aieahound on January 22, 2016, 08:42:03 AM
Q mentioned a protest at the capitol first 'hound :D and printed flyers.
Those were great flyers Q.
Thanks for the support even though you couldn't make it down. :shaka:
I stand corrected 78.
And the troops rallied.
Tip my hat to all who participated in anyway.
We need to keep an eye on the upcoming legislation.
And we need an organizer.
I nominate Jl808 and Heavies.
Both are Mods and seem like pretty organized guys.
Or any volunteers from the cast of characters that told us we were doing it wrong ?
Help us get it right ?
Seems like Espero and Karl Rhodes may be pivotal.
I know Rhodes has a tendency to not let pro-2A bills leave his Commitee.
Post by: HiCarry on January 22, 2016, 01:45:32 PM
Those were great flyers Q.Rhodes is a lost cause. Espero has supported "us" in the past but is a bit schizophrenic with his support.
Thanks for the support even though you couldn't make it down. :shaka:
I stand corrected 78.
And the troops rallied.
Tip my hat to all who participated in anyway.
We need to keep an eye on the upcoming legislation.
And we need an organizer.
I nominate Jl808 and Heavies.
Both are Mods and seem like pretty organized guys.
Or any volunteers from the cast of characters that told us we were doing it wrong ?
Help us get it right ?
Seems like Espero and Karl Rhodes may be pivotal.
I know Rhodes has a tendency to not let pro-2A bills leave his Commitee.
Post by: Q on January 22, 2016, 06:39:23 PM
Those were great flyers Q.
Thanks for the support even though you couldn't make it down. :shaka:
I stand corrected 78.
And the troops rallied.
Tip my hat to all who participated in anyway.
We need to keep an eye on the upcoming legislation.
And we need an organizer.
I nominate Jl808 and Heavies.
Both are Mods and seem like pretty organized guys.
Or any volunteers from the cast of characters that told us we were doing it wrong ?
Help us get it right ?
Seems like Espero and Karl Rhodes may be pivotal.
I know Rhodes has a tendency to not let pro-2A bills leave his Commitee.
I just got my press pass, so I can now start interviewing, photographing and filming people and politicians in situations and locations that most normal people don't have access to or don't have the authority to do so.
Post by: Jl808 on January 24, 2016, 08:53:07 AM
I can facilitate but I'm not really skilled in "community organizing".
This next few months I will be focused on tracking bills and identifying key legislators.
Maybe we can organize around those things on when 2a bills are being heard.
Post by: Heavies on January 24, 2016, 01:52:09 PM
I think the guys that initiated this rally would be good to organize the next event.
I can facilitate but I'm not really skilled in "community organizing".
This next few months I will be focused on tracking bills and identifying key legislators.
Maybe we can organize around those things on when 2a bills are being heard.
Be good if more could show up at bill hearings. That would be very difficult because they are heard when us peons usually have to work.. lol
Post by: Jl808 on January 25, 2016, 07:33:13 AM
RELATING TO FIREARM RESTRICTIONS.
Firearm Ownership; Restrictions; No Fly List
Restricts anybody included on the terrorist screening center's no-fly list from owning, possessing, or controlling a firearm or ammunition therefor.
http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/measure_indiv.aspx?billtype=SB&billnumber=2204
Post by: Jl808 on January 25, 2016, 07:37:10 AM
RELATING TO FIREARMS AND AMMUNITION.
Mental Health; Firearm Permit Requirements; Psychological Clearance Requirements
Specifies that an additional penalty for refusal to submit to a breath, blood, or urine test and requires the surrender of all firearms and ammunition within possession. Requires firearms permit application forms to be accompanied by an affirmation that neither the applicant nor any family or household member is or has been diagnosed with or treated for certain mental disorders and that if the applicant or family or household member is subsequently diagnosed, the applicant shall lock and secure or surrender all firearms and ammunition within 48 hours. Requires payment of a fine of $50 per day of noncompliance with the requirement to lock and secure, or surrender, firearms and ammunition within 48 hours. Specifies failure to pay child or spousal support as a good cause for revocation of a firearm permit or license. Creates an exemption for law enforcement officers.
http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/measure_indiv.aspx?billtype=SB&billnumber=7831
Post by: Jl808 on January 25, 2016, 07:40:38 AM
http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/committeepage.aspx?comm=PSM&year=2016
Chair: Clarence Nishihara (rated B)
Vice-Chair: Will Espero (rated B-)
Member: Rosalyn Baker (rated F),
Member: Sam Slom (rated A+),
Member: Lorraine Inouye (rated F)
Post by: HiCarry on January 25, 2016, 01:09:45 PM
Be good if more could show up at bill hearings. That would be very difficult because they are heard when us peons usually have to work.. lolButts in seats during any hearing is beneficial....submitted testimony is second best.....
Post by: Jl808 on January 26, 2016, 02:51:59 PM
Take a look here -> https://2ahawaii.com/index.php?topic=21792.msg196285#msg196285
Post by: Tom_G on January 27, 2016, 05:10:08 PM
Post by: edster48 on January 27, 2016, 07:32:26 PM
The podcast from the Grassroot Institute (http://new.grassrootinstitute.org/podcast/) is up. My lengthy segment is at 24:30, although I am also a soundbyte in the previous story.
Great job Tom! :thumbsup:
Post by: macsak on January 27, 2016, 07:36:24 PM
Great job Tom! :thumbsup:
Only listened to the first few minutes, but it was awesome so far!
I think Tom should be our permanent spokesmodel
Post by: GreenStomper on January 27, 2016, 07:53:18 PM
Post by: aieahound on January 28, 2016, 12:20:12 PM
They gave you quite a bit of time too.
Well spoken.
(Now shave once in a while and we'll get you on TV.......just kidding. :shaka: At least stop wearing that Macsak hat :rofl:)
Post by: HiCarry on January 31, 2016, 08:57:30 PM
The podcast from the Grassroot Institute (http://new.grassrootinstitute.org/podcast/) is up. My lengthy segment is at 24:30, although I am also a soundbyte in the previous story.Excellent job Tom!!