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General Topics => Political Discussion => Topic started by: Rocky on October 09, 2020, 06:20:23 AM
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Watched the debates last night and to me the "preference's" were obvious.
If you watched, you also may have noticed that the audio and visual quality of the more "right" leaning or newcomer candidates was much crappier than the "left".
Noticed it on the very first debate and thought "meh poor connection" but dismissed that thought after 2 hrs of the same.
Another one had split screen when preferred spoke apparently unbeknownst to other candidate but not vice versa.
Another had "eye catching" tool bar pop up on non-preferred's discussion
Amamiya clear pic and sound, Blangiardi fuzzy and broken audio.
Steve Alm clear pic and sound Megan Kau broken audio.
Marzo and Roth the same.
Was pretty F'n blatant if you ask me. :grrr:
If anything it tells you who NOT t vote for. ;)
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don't like any of the candidates but the most blaring and corrupt is the weasel Amemiya.
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Watched the debates last night and to me the "preference's" were obvious.
If you watched, you also may have noticed that the audio and visual quality of the more "right" leaning or newcomer candidates was much crappier than the "left".
Noticed it on the very first debate and thought "meh poor connection" but dismissed that thought after 2 hrs of the same.
Another one had split screen when preferred spoke apparently unbeknownst to other candidate but not vice versa.
Another had "eye catching" tool bar pop up on non-preferred's discussion
Amamiya clear pic and sound, Blangiardi fuzzy and broken audio.
Steve Alm clear pic and sound Megan Kau broken audio.
Marzo and Roth the same.
Was pretty F'n blatant if you ask me. :grrr:
If anything it tells you who NOT t vote for. ;)
Haven't watched it but I know from an IT perspective I doubt this is a conspiracy. It would take too much effort to ruin the other peoples connections/quality. Its probably that some people had better internet and camera and microphone. Purely hardware issue.
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I feel Hawaii politics is so corrupt that what you inferred about the "preferences" is highly possible.
Many people don't vote because they feel nothing will change. They don't realize that their very action of not voting is ensuring just that.
Same old. Same old. And yet these very people grumble....... :rofl:
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"Haven't watched it but I know "
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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Haven't watched it but I know from an IT perspective I doubt this is a conspiracy.
That's what "they" want you to think.
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Kau has my vote. She has shown up to our 2a rally at the capitol.
Between rick and keith, it's a shit sandwich and you have to take a bite. Since most of the unions are endorsing Keith, I'll go with Rick. Rick did email me back saying he does not support CCW or OC. But neither does Keith so same same.
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Weasel Amemiya is endorsed by BLM
https://www.facebook.com/pg/AmemiyaForMayor/posts/?ref=page_internal (https://www.facebook.com/pg/AmemiyaForMayor/posts/?ref=page_internal)
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Weasel Amemiya is endorsed by BLM
https://www.facebook.com/pg/AmemiyaForMayor/posts/?ref=page_internal (https://www.facebook.com/pg/AmemiyaForMayor/posts/?ref=page_internal)
And that just adds to my
Amemiya's main concerns are Homelessness, Green Energy, Hawaiian rights none of great concern to me.
The fact that he was also Endorsed By Four More Honolulu City Council Members and wants to use CARES Act, HEROES Act for the rail project just pisses me off more
Kau and Rick :thumbsup:
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And that just adds to my
Amemiya's main concerns are Homelessness, Green Energy, Hawaiian rights none of great concern to me.
The fact that he was also Endorsed By Four More Honolulu City Council Members and wants to use CARES Act, HEROES Act for the rail project just pisses me off more
Kau and Rick :thumbsup:
Good point. How can Honolulu / Hawaii continue building a MASS TRANSIT system when the COVID-19 virus makes these trains a veritable death trap?
If we can't go to work, school or fly without all kinds of isolation and quarantine procedures, it's logical that the rail is just another pandemic waiting to happen.
Scrap the project, and use the money for something other than 5 new public relations employees costing us over $600K/yr.
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Good point. How can Honolulu / Hawaii continue building a MASS TRANSIT system when the COVID-19 virus makes these trains a veritable death trap?
If we can't go to work, school or fly without all kinds of isolation and quarantine procedures, it's logical that the rail is just another pandemic waiting to happen.
Scrap the project, and use the money for something other than 5 new public relations employees costing us over $600K/yr.
Because Rail is good :geekdanc: Oahu can not expand without public transport, we cant fit more people and more cars on our current transport systems. Its not economical. Not good for the environment and climate change.
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I'm gonna go off topic here but I don't want to start a new thread just to say:
The RAIL project is the worst, money wasting, bullshit endeavor ever taken on in Hawaii.
The huge majority of people in Hawaii is saying to themselves "I'm not gonna use it.....let the other fuckers use it."
I think the only ones that wanted this damn thing so badly were the construction unions...... :grrr:
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I'm gonna go off topic here but I don't want to start a new thread just to say:
The RAIL project is the worst, money wasting, bullshit endeavor ever taken on in Hawaii.
The huge majority of people in Hawaii is saying to themselves "I'm not gonna use it.....let the other fuckers use it."
I think the only ones that wanted this damn thing so badly were the construction unions...... :grrr:
That, and the people in the inside of the planning who went around buying up land, who then sold that land to the state for the rail at multiples over fair market value.
There's an investigation supposedly going on about that. I predict nothing will ever happen to those people. They're insiders.
The project is costly several times what the people approving it were briefed. It's taking so long, any cars that were going to be replaced by rail riders have been completely negated by population growth in non-rail-served areas.
Simply arguing for mass transit will not help solve any climate change or other problems. Rail doesn't go everywhere. People will be forced to drive or take buses to and from home, work shopping, etc. and the stations.
We would have been better served by building bus "flyovers." Basically elevated roads that replace the zipper lanes and connect areas with the most people going to and from there.
Rail runs on HECO power, generated by burning mostly oil.
Rail fixes no actual problems.
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Watched the debates last night and to me the "preference's" were obvious.
If you watched, you also may have noticed that the audio and visual quality of the more "right" leaning or newcomer candidates was much crappier than the "left".
Noticed it on the very first debate and thought "meh poor connection" but dismissed that thought after 2 hrs of the same.
Another one had split screen when preferred spoke apparently unbeknownst to other candidate but not vice versa.
Another had "eye catching" tool bar pop up on non-preferred's discussion
Amamiya clear pic and sound, Blangiardi fuzzy and broken audio.
Steve Alm clear pic and sound Megan Kau broken audio.
Marzo and Roth the same.
Was pretty F'n blatant if you ask me. :grrr:
If anything it tells you who NOT t vote for. ;)
I knew something was amiss when I saw the fly on Pence’s head holding an Antifa Flag! :rofl:
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I knew something was amiss when I saw the fly on Pence’s head holding an Antifa Flag! :rofl:
It was a DNC "bug", meant to distract him.
As usual, it only distracted the media. :rofl:
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It was a DNC "bug", meant to distract him.
As usual, it only distracted the media. :rofl:
I read somewhere that a news anchor said the fly was the mark of the devil. :wtf:
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That, and the people in the inside of the planning who went around buying up land, who then sold that land to the state for the rail at multiples over fair market value.
There's an investigation supposedly going on about that. I predict nothing will ever happen to those people. They're insiders.
The project is costly several times what the people approving it were briefed. It's taking so long, any cars that were going to be replaced by rail riders have been completely negated by population growth in non-rail-served areas.
Simply arguing for mass transit will not help solve any climate change or other problems. Rail doesn't go everywhere. People will be forced to drive or take buses to and from home, work shopping, etc. and the stations.
We would have been better served by building bus "flyovers." Basically elevated roads that replace the zipper lanes and connect areas with the most people going to and from there.
Rail runs on HECO power, generated by burning mostly oil.
Rail fixes no actual problems.
If you cant see how 100 people in a rail cart uses less oil and gas than 50-100 cars, there's no helping you. Just go back to making shit up and calling people names. You are good at that.
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If you cant see how 100 people in a rail cart uses less oil and gas than 50-100 cars, there's no helping you. Just go back to making shit up and calling people names. You are good at that.
Ok transportation engineer. Just how much oil and gas does it take to operate the rail cars, stations, maintenance yards, park and rides, etc?
What about the traffic studies on how folks will actually get to the rail stations?
Full disclosure, while the rail itself and the stations are not my projects, the PC maintenance complex is one of my former projects. So you want to talk facts, or tangible if you want. . .
No jumping on Google. . .
Hint: You won't find it there anyways. . .
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I'm gonna go off topic here but I don't want to start a new thread just to say:
The RAIL project is the worst, money wasting, bullshit endeavor ever taken on in Hawaii.
The huge majority of people in Hawaii is saying to themselves "I'm not gonna use it.....let the other fuckers use it."
I think the only ones that wanted this damn thing so badly were the construction unions...... :grrr:
I can't find it now, but there was a show about this "mysterious concrete structure" that appears to have been built, but never used. It looked like the rail, except for a wall in the center instead of the sides. They had theories about why it was never used. I forget. Anyways, my first thought was "that show is gonna on the "Hawaiian rail" in 100 years". People scratching their heads on why it was built and never used. :rofl:
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Ok transportation engineer. Just how much oil and gas does it take to operate the rail cars, stations, maintenance yards, park and rides, etc?
What about the traffic studies on how folks will actually get to the rail stations?
Full disclosure, while the rail itself and the stations are not my projects, the PC maintenance complex is one of my former projects. So you want to talk facts, or tangible if you want. . .
No jumping on Google. . .
Hint: You won't find it there anyways. . .
You got me I wouldn't be able to answer that without google. But I do know mass transit in general is more efficient than cars. There are studies for this.
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You got me I wouldn't be able to answer that without google. But I do know mass transit in general is more efficient than cars. There are studies for this.
Roger. At least you admitted it. But you have NO problems talking $hit like you know. . .
You THINK mass transit in general is more efficient than cars. It depends on application. Yes, there are studies for this.
Ok. You seem so knowledgeable about studies. . . Why is BART, the L, etc cited as such successes? Even Seattle, where I used to live, but thankfully moved away before the rail was finished.
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Roger. At least you admitted it. But you have NO problems talking $hit like you know. . .
You THINK mass transit in general is more efficient than cars. It depends on application. Yes, there are studies for this.
Ok. You seem so knowledgeable about studies. . . Why is BART, the L, etc cited as such successes? Even Seattle, where I used to live, but thankfully moved away before the rail was finished.
I am guessing you are alluding to population and density.
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I read somewhere that a news anchor said the fly was the mark of the devil. :wtf:
Idiot I saw said three times, "Isn't that interesting." "I think that's interesting." "The fact that it landed when he was talking about race was .... interesting."
Obviously, she was taking notes on Pence's answer and not mesmerized by a flying insect.
Any bets whether the fly was remote controlled and laced with COVID?
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If you cant see how 100 people in a rail cart uses less oil and gas than 50-100 cars, there's no helping you. Just go back to making shit up and calling people names. You are good at that.
Man, you're really triggered, huh, Snowflake?
Instead of pretending you're right, I'm wrong, and there's no debate, try being a little less of a jerk.
Trains use lubricants. Electricity in Hawaii requires fossil fuels. To get to and from the rail stations requires alternate forms of transportation (Cars?).
Plus, the people who need to get to appointments, work, home, school, hospitals, doctor offices, etc. are not going to take a train that doesn't go where they need to go. VERY FEW people who wil ride the rail are car drivers. They will be people who already ride the bus, and maybe tourists.
50-100 cars is insignificant when talking about reducing climate change. Just a fart in a hurricane.
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the rail will b nothing more than an expensive subsidized transportation for those that don't have cars. The same people that are on lifetime social safety nets. Guess who will pay for that? You think those people will stick around in Hawaii for long?
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I can't find it now, but there was a show about this "mysterious concrete structure" that appears to have been built, but never used. It looked like the rail, except for a wall in the center instead of the sides. They had theories about why it was never used. I forget. Anyways, my first thought was "that show is gonna on the "Hawaiian rail" in 100 years". People scratching their heads on why it was built and never used. :rofl:
That would be the "proposed" lakefront exit on I-94 in Milwaukee
Freeway just "ended" about 60 FT off the ground but used once.
Most of you have probably seen it. 8)
https://video.search.yahoo.com/search/video?fr=opensearch&p=Blues+Brothers+movie+freeway+scene#id=1&vid=97fc13ca91c9551a05434054b463ddc1&action=click
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That would be the "proposed" lakefront exit on I-94 in Milwaukee
Freeway just "ended" about 60 FT off the ground but used once.
Most of you have probably seen it. 8)
https://video.search.yahoo.com/search/video?fr=opensearch&p=Blues+Brothers+movie+freeway+scene#id=1&vid=97fc13ca91c9551a05434054b463ddc1&action=click
No, at least not the one I was referring to. I’ve been searching. I thought it was somewhere in Europe, but google-fu for “random unfinished piece of shit concrete structure” not returning good results. Haha
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the rail will b nothing more than an expensive subsidized transportation for those that don't have cars. The same people that are on lifetime social safety nets. Guess who will pay for that? You think those people will stick around in Hawaii for long?
From HART's own website, the project is only 58.8% complete. Meanwhile, construction ruined businesses by totally screwing up traffic along the route.
Also, here's the latest snafu:
More obstacles threaten to delay completion of rail project by up to 4 years
The $9.2 billion rail project is supposed to be completed in 2025. It plans to begin interim service between East Kapolei and Aloha Stadium next March.
HART said if the city doesn’t give those variances it may have to buy a number of small parcels of land along Dillingham, which will delay the project 9 months to 2 years.
Or, it may have to shift portions of the elevated guideway near Honolulu Community College, which could cause a one and-a-half to three year delay.
The worst-case scenario is that it would have to acquire large parcels -- about 20 feet at the side of Dillingham -- along the entire street.
That would delay the project up to four years and add hundreds of millions of dollars in extra costs.
“We’ve known for many years this area was going to be a problem," said Manahan.
https://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/2020/09/24/underground-obstacles-threaten-further-delay-honolulus-rail-project/
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Found it
https://www.atlasobscura.com/places/aerotrain-d-orleans-test-track
Abandoned, never to be torn down.
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Man, you're really triggered, huh, Snowflake?
Instead of pretending you're right, I'm wrong, and there's no debate, try being a little less of a jerk.
Trains use lubricants. Electricity in Hawaii requires fossil fuels. To get to and from the rail stations requires alternate forms of transportation (Cars?).
Plus, the people who need to get to appointments, work, home, school, hospitals, doctor offices, etc. are not going to take a train that doesn't go where they need to go. VERY FEW people who wil ride the rail are car drivers. They will be people who already ride the bus, and maybe tourists.
50-100 cars is insignificant when talking about reducing climate change. Just a fart in a hurricane.
I would be less of a jerk if you were less. I'm only reciprocating. Cars require many of those things too. I see nothing wrong with current tourists using it. If anything covid taught me is there's so many cara from tourists. I personally think there will be new people to use it to. Including myself. I think it will be thousands of cars off the road in a given day. Small things add up for climate change. When hico starts getting more renewable resources it will make rail more green also.
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I would be less of a jerk if you were less. I'm only reciprocating. Cars require many of those things too. I see nothing wrong with current tourists using it. If anything covid taught me is there's so many cara from tourists. I personally think there will be new people to use it to. Including myself. I think it will be thousands of cars off the road in a given day. Small things add up for climate change. When hico starts getting more renewable resources it will make rail more green also.
you think?
don't you mean, "muh feelings"?
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I would be less of a jerk if you were less. I'm only reciprocating. Cars require many of those things too. I see nothing wrong with current tourists using it. If anything covid taught me is there's so many cara from tourists. I personally think there will be new people to use it to. Including myself. I think it will be thousands of cars off the road in a given day. Small things add up for climate change. When hico starts getting more renewable resources it will make rail more green also.
"I think"
"I personally think"
"When HECO [sic] starts getting more renewable resources..."
Opinions and undeterminable future benefits.
Not a glowing endorsement of the rail as a climate change solution, especially as the latest news says there may be another 4 year delay. That's 2024. Imagine all the carbon emissions that aren't being stopped due to poor management, delays, and HECO not planning to have green energy that flows 24/7 ever. They have a nice, big solar farm, but that only operates in daylight. Batteries actually take more energy to produce than they store in a lifetime. Could have just consumed that energy instead of using it for "green" products.
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DRCK1000 probably knows better than I do. But how bad is concrete, its ingredients, and its manufacture to the environment?
Manufacture of Cement:
“Coal is used as an energy source in cement production. Large amounts of energy are required to produce cement. It takes about 200 kg of coal to produce one tonne of cement and about 300-400 kg of cement is needed to produce one cubic metre of concrete.” One cubic meter is close in size to one cubic yard which is how we measure concrete here in the state.
https://www.worldcoal.org/coal/uses-coal/coal-cement
Strip Mining of Aggregates for Concrete. Strip mining ruins the environment. It takes a tremendous amount of energy to mine, transport, grind, sieve, transport and store course aggregates. And then you have to transport and store them at the concrete plant. You have to add re-transporting and re-grinding and re-sieving and re-transport to make fine aggregate. And add transport and storage at the concrete plant. All using large heavy diesel equipment whose exhaust is not regulated by the EPA. And you are left with huge holes in the ground that cannot be used for anything. And in some cases are filled with hazardous waste.
Manufacture of concrete:
“The production of 1 m³ of concrete requires 2,775 MJ of energy. This energy comes mostly from oil burning, which generates CO2. 2.775 MJ of energy is produced by 0.37 barrels of oil. Saving concrete, e.g. by adopting appropriate building solutions, means therefore not only reducing fossil fuels consumption, but also pollutant emissions.”
https://www.geoplastglobal.com/en/blog/energy-consumption-production-of-concrete/
Manufacturing of Chemicals used in Concrete:
It takes huge chemical plants to make the hundreds of chemicals which are bad for the environment just to make concrete. All of these chemical plants get their electricity from coal and oil burning plants.
What does it take to transport all the ingredients to Hawaii?
Concrete costs about $150-$200 per cubic yard in Hawaii. It takes approximately 14 cubic yards to make just one segment of the rail system. Just multiply the energy costs I listed above to make just one segment of the rail. And you will see how bad the rail is to the environment. And none of this takes into consideration the tremendous amount of waste in manufacturing all these products. It will take thousands of segments to make the rail system here.
And of course none of this takes into consideration the thousands of other products that are manufactured for this system like the steel rails. If anyone here thinks the rail is good for the environment, just for the concrete the proof otherwise is above.
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And then when the smoke clears and everything is said and done, the rail will be up and running and.....mostly empty.
Just like The Bus.
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Found it
https://www.atlasobscura.com/places/aerotrain-d-orleans-test-track
Abandoned, never to be torn down.
What an eyesore, as the joke in Honolulu will be.
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I don't align with his beliefs but at least I'm willing to listen to what he presents.
Makes some sense to me
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zk11vI-7czE
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if not energy inefficient it is the worst inefficient public works project in the history of Hawaii. All that money being spent on studies, the corruption, the back door land deals. Wasted money. It is an economical disaster.
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Found it
https://www.atlasobscura.com/places/aerotrain-d-orleans-test-track
Abandoned, never to be torn down.
That thing is minuscule compared to Hawaii's rail fail
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if not energy inefficient it is the worst inefficient public works project in the history of Hawaii. All that money being spent on studies, the corruption, the back door land deals. Wasted money. It is an economical disaster.
Most the world doesn't pay much attention to Hawaii, but that rail will be a monument to the stupidity
of the Democrat party. Never have so few, paid so much, for such massive STUPIDITY.
I drove for years the most crowded roads in the world, Seattle, Los Angeles, San Francisco,
and even your Oahu "interstate" freeway parking lots.
I've used the BART, Seattle area buses, and ferry system.
Public transportation designed by Democrats doesn't work!
It neither satisfies economic realities or environmental ones.
I'd rather drive, if for any other reason than I don't like being
treated like cattle.
I'm an engineer and I can make any boondoggle look like a win-win
for everybody. It is only my morals that stop that sort of activity on
my part. Not everybody has that sort of discipline, so you have
"Public transportation".
The people that pitched the Rail should have a silver stake driven
through the HART.
Adding to the injury, us outer islands have to pay for something
we'll never use.
I vote for secession from Ohau and joining the state of Alaska.
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I've been to Tokyo many times I know of what a good public transit system looks like and its amazing. I've used Bart and its not as bad as you all say.
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I've been to Tokyo many times I know of what a good public transit system looks like and its amazing. I've used Bart and its not as bad as you all say.
BART salaries.
https://transparentcalifornia.com/salaries/san-francisco-bay-area-rapid-transit-district/?page=1
Kind of like a longshoreman's union dock job, a license to steal.
Public transportation is a jobs program for Union Democrats.
We may have lots of Japanese here but this is America, not Japan.
Way different culture.
You can see it the way they vote here. Concept of
personal freedom is alien to many of them.
That is why we are a single party state.
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I've been to Tokyo many times I know of what a good public transit system looks like and its amazing. I've used Bart and its not as bad as you all say.
no one is denying that good public transit is not a good thing...
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BART salaries.
https://transparentcalifornia.com/salaries/san-francisco-bay-area-rapid-transit-district/?page=1
Kind of like a longshoreman's union dock job, a license to steal.
Public transportation is a jobs program for Union Democrats.
We may have lots of Japanese here but this is America, not Japan.
Way different culture.
You can see it the way they vote here. Concept of
personal freedom is alien to many of them.
That is why we are a single party state.
and we are just seeing the capital expenses...not the operating expenses
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BART salaries.
https://transparentcalifornia.com/salaries/san-francisco-bay-area-rapid-transit-district/?page=1
Kind of like a longshoreman's union dock job, a license to steal.
Public transportation is a jobs program for Union Democrats.
We may have lots of Japanese here but this is America, not Japan.
Way different culture.
You can see it the way they vote here. Concept of
personal freedom is alien to many of them.
That is why we are a single party state.
Nothing wrong with unions lol. I am pretty sure they pay the rail workers in japan, I don't see how that is related. Are you relating culture to riding the rail or funding it? Not sure how personal freedom is affected by public transport. You can drive a car if you want....
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no one is denying that good public transit is not a good thing...
In a sense I am.
As long as it is political it will not
work.
If it can survive as a private enterprise
then I'm all for it.
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In a sense I am.
As long as it is political it will not
work.
If it can survive as a private enterprise
then I'm all for it.
Do you use any government programs? Just curious.
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DRCK1000 probably knows better than I do. But how bad is concrete, its ingredients, and its manufacture to the environment?
Manufacture of Cement:
“Coal is used as an energy source in cement production. Large amounts of energy are required to produce cement. It takes about 200 kg of coal to produce one tonne of cement and about 300-400 kg of cement is needed to produce one cubic metre of concrete.” One cubic meter is close in size to one cubic yard which is how we measure concrete here in the state.
https://www.worldcoal.org/coal/uses-coal/coal-cement
Strip Mining of Aggregates for Concrete. Strip mining ruins the environment. It takes a tremendous amount of energy to mine, transport, grind, sieve, transport and store course aggregates. And then you have to transport and store them at the concrete plant. You have to add re-transporting and re-grinding and re-sieving and re-transport to make fine aggregate. And add transport and storage at the concrete plant. All using large heavy diesel equipment whose exhaust is not regulated by the EPA. And you are left with huge holes in the ground that cannot be used for anything. And in some cases are filled with hazardous waste.
Manufacture of concrete:
“The production of 1 m³ of concrete requires 2,775 MJ of energy. This energy comes mostly from oil burning, which generates CO2. 2.775 MJ of energy is produced by 0.37 barrels of oil. Saving concrete, e.g. by adopting appropriate building solutions, means therefore not only reducing fossil fuels consumption, but also pollutant emissions.”
https://www.geoplastglobal.com/en/blog/energy-consumption-production-of-concrete/
Manufacturing of Chemicals used in Concrete:
It takes huge chemical plants to make the hundreds of chemicals which are bad for the environment just to make concrete. All of these chemical plants get their electricity from coal and oil burning plants.
What does it take to transport all the ingredients to Hawaii?
Concrete costs about $150-$200 per cubic yard in Hawaii. It takes approximately 14 cubic yards to make just one segment of the rail system. Just multiply the energy costs I listed above to make just one segment of the rail. And you will see how bad the rail is to the environment. And none of this takes into consideration the tremendous amount of waste in manufacturing all these products. It will take thousands of segments to make the rail system here.
And of course none of this takes into consideration the thousands of other products that are manufactured for this system like the steel rails. If anyone here thinks the rail is good for the environment, just for the concrete the proof otherwise is above.
That's another angle that I had in mind. However, I was waiting for the "all knowing" to answer a question, not offer a guess.
Concrete, particularly cement production is a tricky one because not many people know the ins and outs like you would. You actually probably know more on this than I do since I've been out of the "technical game" for a while. The construction industry does have initiatives to make concrete product production more sustainable, like fly ash, slag, etc. That said, ever seen where many of those products end up coming from? Some slick corporations got it into the heads of politicians that it was a good idea and it got written into law. Now many US suppliers can't keep up, so guess where a lot of those products end up coming from?
Even for the projects I work on. One may assume that Buy America Act would prohibit that, but there are so many ways around the act. It wasn't until a Korean/US JV that I dealt with recently that I realized just how easy it is to work around many of the BAA provisions. So again, it may look good on paper, but when one digs into it.
HECO was brought up as another example of support for Rail and climate change. Bwahahaha. Nice try. Yes, HECO is trying to get to the State mandate of 100% renewable by 2045. Well, that plan had them decommissioning parts of the Waiau plant starting, uh, like now. Not happening. Other parts of their plan was to try to leverage groups that they felt would be exempt from the State mandates, but that mostly has fallen through. Even if the plans had worked, it was at best a work around where HECO could claim success and the "partner" groups that were leveraged would be operating pretty close to status quo.
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Nothing wrong with unions lol. I am pretty sure they pay the rail workers in japan, I don't see how that is related. Are you relating culture to riding the rail or funding it? Not sure how personal freedom is affected by public transport. You can drive a car if you want....
There is a lot wrong with Government employee unions.
but that is another thread.
The culture I refer to is one where you are a cog in the machine vs.
being a person that is self Actualizing.
How am I affected by public transport?
I wear a carbon fiber knee brace provided by the Veterans
Administration.
It takes me 10 extra minutes to get on a fvcking airplane,
due to a near strip search and wipe-down explosives checks.
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Japan is a very different context than Hawaii or anything in the US. I haven't lived there, but have spent quite a bit of time there for work, and leisure. That they can mobilize construction projects to install train stations and rail UNDERNEATH existing buildings is staggering. They also don't have nearly the environmental regulations we do. What is being done in Japan would take decades to clear in the US, nevermind the protest. The "for the greater good" mentality doesn't fly here.
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Do you use any government programs? Just curious.
I'm a disabled Vietnam era Vet so I use the VA for medical.
My wife gets a subsidy for her medical which we did not need
or want prior to Obama care.
Next year we will both be on Medicare and Social security which we PAID for
in 40 plus years of working.
BTW had the government not force-ably took all that money over the years,
I'd have a lot more in my retirement bank.
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I've been to Tokyo many times I know of what a good public transit system looks like and its amazing. I've used Bart and its not as bad as you all say.
Any of those systems a one line, point A to point B system and back again?
You can’t even start to compare our planned system to Tokyo, New York, San Francisco, D.C., Chicago, etc.....
Nevermind maintaining a steel on steel system that runs along a salt air shoreline.
Nevermind the destruction of the views, eyesore in a place that counts on views for tourist revenue.
The graft on rail planning and construction is indisputable.
The graft on development surrounding the rail line is indisputable.
All kinds of permitting and planning exceptions for developers building along the rail line.
What is it, within a mile of a rail station?
60 foot height limit for buildings in that zoning area. Oh it’s within a mile of a station? Yeah build your condo building to 350 feet. Variance.
Check out the first station in the middle of a field in Kapolei.
They’re gonna build an entire community around it.
Doesn’t even go to U.H. The number one traffic congester of them all.
The tail is wagging the dog.
The technology will be obsolete before it’s finished.
They should just use it as an express bus route and dump the buses of at the Middle St. bus depot where people can transfer and go where they like.
Then again, H3 took forever, suffered through all the protests, cost a fortune (lot of Federal money though) and now it’s super convenient and highly utilized.
Of course, H3 is a freeway and doesn’t take the car out peoples hands so they can continue on their merry way after getting off.
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Any of those systems a one line, point A to point B system and back again?
You can’t even start to compare our planned system to Tokyo, New York, San Francisco, D.C., Chicago, etc.....
Nevermind maintaining a steel on steel system that runs along a salt air shoreline.
Nevermind the destruction of the views, eyesore in a place that counts on views for tourist revenue.
The graft on rail planning and construction is indisputable.
The graft on development surrounding the rail line is indisputable.
All kinds of permitting and planning exceptions for developers building along the rail line.
What is it, within a mile of a rail station?
60 foot height limit for buildings in that zoning area. Oh it’s within a mile of a station? Yeah build your condo building to 350 feet. Variance.
Check out the first station in the middle of a field in Kapolei.
They’re gonna build an entire community around it.
Doesn’t even go to U.H. The number one traffic congester of them all.
The tail is wagging the dog.
The technology will be obsolete before it’s finished.
They should just use it as an express bus route and dump the buses of at the Middle St. bus depot where people can transfer and go where they like.
Then again, H3 took forever, suffered through all the protests, cost a fortune (lot of Federal money though) and now it’s super convenient and highly utilized.
Of course, H3 is a highway and doesn’t take the car out peoples hands so they can continue on their merry way after getting off.
I agree I woulda liked mag lev or something more technological advanced. I personally think that the height limits along the rail is 100% the point and a wonderful thing. I am buying a place near a station just so I can use it to go places I need to go and not sit in traffic. You can't insta convert oahu to Japan we need to do it slowly. We build communities around the rail, then they use the rail more and its a positive feedback loop. Then we expand the rail to other places like UH and west oahu and branch off to other communities. Its a work in progress not perfection on day one.
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and we are just seeing the capital expenses...not the operating expenses
When the "plan" for rail was presented to the city council, the budget left out the cost of electricity for construction, maintenance and operations.
It's an electric train, but somehow they "overlooked" the fact that energy of any type costs money.
That omission lowered the original estimates by 40%.
When they have to lie to get approval, you know the project is starting out under the tacit admission that it's not worth the pricetag.
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Branch off?
Have you seen the size of the Thing and how much space it takes?
We live on an Island.
And what will the noise level be?
And as mentioned, operating expense?
And how many more high rise communities In the suburbs and 5,000 house communities In the Ag fields can we sustain?
Environmental conscious?
How many more cars is that?
How much green space disappears?
What about Water, sewage, increased electricity usage?
At least it provides shade I guess.
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Branch off?
Have you seen the size of the Thing and how much space it takes?
We live on an Island.
And what will the noise level be?
And how many more high rise communities In the suburbs and 5,000 house communities In the Ag fields can we sustain?
Environmental conscious?
How many more cars is that?
What about Water, sewage, increased electricity usage?
Are you advocating shrinking oahus population? Not sure what you want. If we keep growing and we are running out of land, the only way is up. Building more communities with more cars all over in every pocket of land on oahu is much worse.
If you replace a lane with tracks you can branch off fairly easily. Where there is a will there is a way.
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I had a lot more questions than that posted above.
Sustain being a key one.
Re: population:
https://www.civilbeat.org/2019/04/hawaiis-population-decline-signals-future-economic-challenges/
Are you advocating shrinking oahus population? Not sure what you want. If we keep growing and we are running out of land, the only way is up. Building more communities with more cars all over in every pocket of land on oahu is much worse.
If you replace a lane with tracks you can branch off fairly easily. Where there is a will there is a way.
From an environmental stand point, what does it matter where the cars are located ?
That’s still 15,000 To 30,000 more cars.
If you replace a lane with tracks on a two lane road with a bike path we’re all fawked all the time.
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If you replace a lane with tracks you can branch off fairly easily. Where there is a will there is a way.
fairly easily?
like the rail project so far has gone fairly easily?
smh...
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Branch off?
Have you seen the size of the Thing and how much space it takes?
We live on an Island.
And what will the noise level be?
And as mentioned, operating expense?
And how many more high rise communities In the suburbs and 5,000 house communities In the Ag fields can we sustain?
Environmental conscious?
How many more cars is that?
How much green space disappears?
What about Water, sewage, increased electricity usage?
At least it provides shade I guess.
Wait until those families who will sue because the Rail put the concrete supports in the path of their drunk driving family member. But eh, everyone else is responsible for their bad decision.
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When the "plan" for rail was presented to the city council, the budget left out the cost of electricity for construction, maintenance and operations.
It's an electric train, but somehow they "overlooked" the fact that energy of any type costs money.
That omission lowered the original estimates by 40%.
When they have to lie to get approval, you know the project is starting out under the tacit admission that it's not worth the pricetag.
What? Say it ain’t so. But, but, but, people know it’s obviously better and going reduce emissions.
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I had a lot more questions than that posted above.
Sustain being a key one.
Re: population:
https://www.civilbeat.org/2019/04/hawaiis-population-decline-signals-future-economic-challenges/
i was going to mention this
our state and county covid response is fucking up our economy and people leaving will make it worser...
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Wait until those families who will sue because the Rail put the concrete supports in the path of their drunk driving family member. But eh, everyone else is responsible for their bad decision.
Waiting for the Protectors of the Land to chime in. We've already had costly delays in the first 2 years caused by construction crews uncovering human remains. Same thing that created part of the H-3 delays.
When talking about cost, we also have to recognize that this island has no real competition for major construction projects. It's too expensive for mainland companies to submit bids. Plus the government won't allow a competitor to use nonunion labor.
Tax payers get screwed coming and going. When the thing starts operations, any shortfalls in revenue vs costs will be paid by the people not riding the choo-choo.
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I had a lot more questions than that posted above.
Sustain being a key one.
Re: population:
https://www.civilbeat.org/2019/04/hawaiis-population-decline-signals-future-economic-challenges/
From an environmental stand point, what does it matter where the cars are located ?
That’s still 15,000 To 30,000 more cars.
If you replace a lane with tracks on a two lane road with a bike path we’re all fawked all the time.
People can take the rail and not purchase a car. Or people can actually just have less cars if they can use public transport.
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People can take the rail and not purchase a car. Or people can actually just have less cars if they can use public transport.
I hope that others will take the rail so I can keep my 4x4 lifted truck...otherwise no more flag convoys...
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Waiting for the Protectors of the Land to chime in. We've already had costly delays in the first 2 years caused by construction crews uncovering human remains. Same thing that created part of the H-3 delays.
When talking about cost, we also have to recognize that this island has no real competition for major construction projects. It's too expensive for mainland companies to submit bids. Plus the government won't allow a competitor to use nonunion labor.
Tax payers get screwed coming and going. When the thing starts operations, any shortfalls in revenue vs costs will be paid by the people not riding the choo-choo.
Its as if you think the money just goes into the peoples wallets and goes poof you dont know how economics works. Construction workers get paid, and guess what they go out and spend money too. And they pay taxes.
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Its as if you think the money just goes into the peoples wallets and goes poof you dont know how economics works. Construction workers get paid, and guess what they go out and spend money too. And they pay taxes.
that's an oversimplification of economics. There are inefficiencies as mentioned before, the lack of competition and govt regulation such as using only union labor.
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I hope that others will take the rail so I can keep my 4x4 lifted truck...otherwise no more flag convoys...
Most people don;t live a neat, "point a to point b and back" life. More like "home, work, food, shopping, appointments, night school, home." Also, availability doesn't always coincide with your schedule. If you need to get somewhere and noon, and the train goes there at 11:00, 12:00 & 1:00, you have to leave in time to make the early train, arrive at the destination station at 11:00, then make it to your 12:00 meeting.
The extra time wasted getting where you need to go before time to be there offsets any time you might save by not driving in traffic.
Then, just as you get on the train, it stops. an hour later, they have you on your way.
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that's an oversimplification of economics. There is inefficiencies as mentioned before, the lack of competition and govt regulation such as using only union labor.
Where’s the other “practicing economist”?
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Where’s the other “practicing economist”?
I've studied economics at both the undergrad and graduate levels. What I can say for certain is it is NOT a science. While there are scientific methods for measuring current and past economic performance, there's no scientific formula for predicting which policies or laws will improve what we are currently seeing.
That's why people like Trump exist. He can look at an array of reports and forecasts and decide what actions will best benefit the US. It's an art. No one will ever be perfect in that role, but so far, he's proven that his plans and policies accomplish the right things while simultaneously mitigating or minimizing the short term negative impacts. I guarantee you the US would not be in an economic position to weather the pandemic as well as we have done had it not been for the 3 years of shear economic growth just prior.
Economists are the chiropractors of the financial world. They make us feel better knowing there is data supporting our decisions, but they can't possibly factor in everything that influences the outcomes. If they could, we'd be electing economists to run every level of government. Strong economy = strong [ city | state | nation ]
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Most people don;t live a neat, "point a to point b and back" life. More like "home, work, food, shopping, appointments, night school, home." Also, availability doesn't always coincide with your schedule. If you need to get somewhere and noon, and the train goes there at 11:00, 12:00 & 1:00, you have to leave in time to make the early train, arrive at the destination station at 11:00, then make it to your 12:00 meeting.
The extra time wasted getting where you need to go before time to be there offsets any time you might save by not driving in traffic.
Then, just as you get on the train, it stops. an hour later, they have you on your way.
If done right, it can work. But it comes with a change in lifestyle. Depending on context, the change can be big or minor. Also depends on motivation.
When I lived in WA, a downtown Seattle group subsidized bus passes, which was a $300/month saving over parking. While I didn’t like it at first, in retrospect it did have a lot of positives. The route I took had a bus ever 5-7 mins, so it was really convenient and actually saved over driving alone due to bus express lanes. There were limitations, like the timing between busses expanded after a certain time.
Somewhat similar to Japan. Lifestyles and commerce changed around the train system. Like the food and shopping really convenient at the station. Not quite the lifestyle I’d want, but not bad and I could’ve gotten used to it. Many friends to did TDY for 3-5 years there also learned to appreciate.
But, like anything, IF done properly can work. Huge if. When rail first came up, I felt it cools work if planned properly. Once I parallels to BART and the L, knew it was trouble. Totally different contexts.
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I've studied economics at both the undergrad and graduate levels. What I can say for certain is it is NOT a science. While there are scientific methods for measuring current and past economic performance, there's no scientific formula for predicting which policies or laws will improve what we are currently seeing.
That's why people like Trump exist. He can look at an array of reports and forecasts and decide what actions will best benefit the US. It's an art. No one will ever be perfect in that role, but so far, he's proven that his plans and policies accomplish the right things while simultaneously mitigating or minimizing the short term negative impacts. I guarantee you the US would not be in an economic position to weather the pandemic as well as we have done had it not been for the 3 years of shear economic growth just prior.
Economists are the chiropractors of the financial world. They make us feel better knowing there is data supporting our decisions, but they can't possibly factor in everything that influences the outcomes. If they could, we'd be electing economists to run every level of government. Strong economy = strong [ city | state | nation ]
I wasn’t referring to you. Not that you couldn’t reply.
That said, business courses in general were :grrr: for me.
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Most the world doesn't pay much attention to Hawaii, but that rail will be a monument to the stupidity
of the Democrat party. Never have so few, paid so much, for such massive STUPIDITY.
I drove for years the most crowded roads in the world, Seattle, Los Angeles, San Francisco,
and even your Oahu "interstate" freeway parking lots.
I've used the BART, Seattle area buses, and ferry system.
Public transportation designed by Democrats doesn't work!
It neither satisfies economic realities or environmental ones.
I'd rather drive, if for any other reason than I don't like being
treated like cattle.
I'm an engineer and I can make any boondoggle look like a win-win
for everybody. It is only my morals that stop that sort of activity on
my part. Not everybody has that sort of discipline, so you have
"Public transportation".
The people that pitched the Rail should have a silver stake driven
through the HART.
Adding to the injury, us outer islands have to pay for something
we'll never use.
I vote for secession from Ohau and joining the state of Alaska.
It is an expensive boondoggle. And I know these politicians who promised not to raise property taxes for the rail are going to have to do it sooner or later. Once they start raising property taxes on Oahu next will be the outer islands. Of course the politicians who promised not to raise property taxes are long gone already. So the new ones coming in are going to tell everyone they don’t have a choice. They have to in order to keep the state solvent. Because of unforeseen costs. And now with COVID keeping the tax income low because they shut down all businesses where are they going to get the money to run the city, county and state?`
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It is an expensive boondoggle. And I know these politicians who promised not to raise property taxes for the rail are going to have to do it sooner or later. Once they start raising property taxes on Oahu next will be the outer islands. Of course the politicians who promised not to raise property taxes are long gone already. So the new ones coming in are going to tell everyone they don’t have a choice. They have to in order to keep the state solvent. Because of unforeseen costs. And now with COVID keeping the tax income low because they shut down all businesses where are they going to get the money to run the city, county and state?`
That and also how some of the bigger contractors operate, a lot of the cash flow isn’t flowing back into Hawaii’s economy via income tax. Something apparently the “experts” are surely aware of.
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you don't hear about rich economists
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From last news I heard about rail, they had not even accounted for electricity supply including step up transformers to power the dang thing and HECO wasn't going to supply or build a power grid for this beast. on their dime.
Opps, forgot to put that in the budget . :oops:
Feel free to enlighten me if I am behind the times. :love:
Inquiring minds want to know.
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And now with COVID keeping the tax income low because they shut down all businesses where are they going to get the money to run the city, county and state?`
I am Sooooooo glad I am not a property owner
People can take the rail and not purchase a car. Or people can actually just have less cars if they can use public transport.
Yup, me and 450,000+ of others in my and similar area's will have to drive 30+ miles just to catch the train. :thumbsup:
How many sheets of ply and 2 x 4's am I allowed ? :crazy:
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I am Sooooooo glad I am not a property owner
Yup, me and 450,000+ of others in my and similar area's will have to drive 30+ miles just to catch the train. :thumbsup:
How many sheets of ply and 2 x 4's am I allowed ? :crazy:
Lol, what you are trying to do is centralize people. If you put 500 people in one building near the rail they don't all need cars. They can travel less if a supermarket opens up nearby. Overall less travel and more convenience. Instead of spreading everyone apart.
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From last news I heard about rail, they had not even accounted for electricity supply
I recall reading that a good while ago. Brilliant management Honolulu voted in.
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Lol, what you are trying to do is centralize people. If you put 500 people in one building near the rail they don't all need cars. They can travel less if a supermarket opens up nearby. Overall less travel and more convenience. Instead of spreading everyone apart.
Yes, putting people in large concentrations is always a good idea.
It worked wonders in NYC, LA and Chicago when the pandemic hit. NYC is still considered the pandemic epicenter of the world (highest infection rate).
But as long as it furthers the needs of the state, there's no need to worry about the freedoms of individuals who don't wish to live in those areas with normally higher crime. Plus, if you live in a condo high rise, they can create rules stripping you of your guns -- for "safety".
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I recall reading that a good while ago. Brilliant management Honolulu voted in.
I remember reading that an alternative form of power was going to be needed for when the rail goes into full use. But I have not seen or hear anything about that since that came out. The article stated that a small generating station would be needed. And that this was never taken into account during thee original planning but everyone was warned by HECO that they couldn’t supply the entire amount of power needed. I can’t find the article now. Not sure if it was true or someone’s opinion.
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Yes, putting people in large concentrations is always a good idea.
It worked wonders in NYC, LA and Chicago when the pandemic hit. NYC is still considered the pandemic epicenter of the world (highest infection rate).
But as long as it furthers the needs of the state, there's no need to worry about the freedoms of individuals who don't wish to live in those areas with normally higher crime. Plus, if you live in a condo high rise, they can create rules stripping you of your guns -- for "safety".
Guys like you set me off.
"they don't all need cars."
who the fvcvk are YOU to decide
what your fellow citizens "need"
I can tell you what your needs are and they are simple,
"the rule of Threes".
That is all you NEED!
Everything else is glazing on the Donuts.
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I remember reading that an alternative form of power was going to be needed for when the rail goes into full use. But I have not seen or hear anything about that since that came out. The article stated that a small generating station would be needed. And that this was never taken into account during thee original planning but everyone was warned by HECO that they couldn’t supply the entire amount of power needed. I can’t find the article now. Not sure if it was true or someone’s opinion.
The huge opportunity cost. With $7 B and counting, Honolulu could have actually reduced traffic congestion by more than 25%
and reduced its dependency on oil by over 40%. Honolulu burns oil to produce electric power and as a result its electricity cost i
s 300% above US average. Instead of switching power generation and fleet fueling to natural gas, island policies emphasize
oil-generated electric cars and electric trains!
Finally, looking at the bigger picture for Honolulu which includes a $5 B consent decree with the EPA for secondary sewer treatment,
increasing dependency on imports, including 90% of food, with prices escalated by the Jones Act requirements, and the nation’s fifth
worst unfunded pension liability according to The Economist [8], the future is worrisome: At best Honolulu will experience large increases
in taxes and congestion, at worst those plus bankruptcy. One thing is certain. This textbook megaproject failure orchestrated by
business interests and unions, supported by misguided environmentalism and enabled by enterprising politicians got Honolulu railroaded [9].
http://www.newgeography.com/content/005156-live-honolulu-hart-rail-a-megaproject-failure-making
Good article ... from 2016!! Imagine the additional problems created since this was written. longer delays, even more expensive costs. The only thing helping at this point in time would be the lower cost of fossil fuels, thanks to Trump and his policies on fracking, oil pipelines and exploration which made the US energy independent in less than 2 years!!
Of course, if Biden is elected, oil prices will peak about the time the rail starts carrying people.
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Guys like you set me off.
"they don't all need cars."
who the fvcvk are YOU to decide
what your fellow citizens "need"
I can tell you what your needs are and they are simple,
"the rule of Threes".
That is all you NEED!
Everything else is glazing on the Donuts.
Are you sure you're talking about "people like me?" I think you might have quoted the wrong post .... I hope. :shaka:
I think (now he got ME doing it, too!) you wanted THIS post: https://2ahawaii.com/index.php?topic=38341.msg341549#msg341549
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Guys like you set me off.
"they don't all need cars."
who the fvcvk are YOU to decide
what your fellow citizens "need"
I can tell you what your needs are and they are simple,
"the rule of Threes".
That is all you NEED!
Everything else is glazing on the Donuts.
I think you meant this poster
People can take the rail and not purchase a car. Or people can actually just have less cars if they can use public transport.
Lol, what you are trying to do is centralize people. If you put 500 people in one building near the rail they don't all need cars. They can travel less if a supermarket opens up nearby. Overall less travel and more convenience. Instead of spreading everyone apart.
One way to pay for the rail is to increase vehicle registration fees enormously. It may make taking public trans more attractive and it would discourage private vehicle ownership. :-X
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Are you sure you're talking about "people like me?" I think you might have quoted the wrong post .... I hope. :shaka:
I think (now he got ME doing it, too!) you wanted THIS post: https://2ahawaii.com/index.php?topic=38341.msg341549#msg341549
OOPS!
I'm going to get the VA to fix my Cataracts.
My apologies to all.
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Lets compare the HI rail to Taipei's MRT (rail).
In taipei, i can catch the mrt and get off and pretty much have only a 10 minute walk to get where i need to go. HIs rail wont be like that. U would still have to bus it because the walk will be longer than 10 mins.
MRT is like a spider web. Not just a single line like HI. And b4 anyone says HI has limited space, taipei is more crowded than HI. Like many buildings are inches apart from each other, almost touching.
Below is the MRT map. Notice all the available stops.(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20201011/7ecf2bb794c0d1c3e4c2c1ac2cc6e525.jpg)
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One way to pay for the rail is to increase vehicle registration fees enormously. It may make taking public trans more attractive and it would discourage private vehicle ownership. :-X
From that kid's quote you included, sounds like he is onboard with Agenda 21 that plans on moving people from rural areas into densely packed urban ones (IIRC). The easier for the elites to control them don't you know.
But then, that may be why some we in no-urban areas have such an interest in firearms, just in cast the politicians that child favors tries that crap.
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OOPS!
I'm going to get the VA to fix my Cataracts.
My apologies to all.
What's your address so I can give it to the process server?
Glad you have a lawyer already! :shaka: :wave: :rofl:
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I think you meant this poster
One way to pay for the rail is to increase vehicle registration fees enormously. It may make taking public trans more attractive and it would discourage private vehicle ownership. :-X
Oahu vehicle registration is already very high. I have an Acura MDX on Oahu and it cost me $475 to register. I have a Dodge Ram 2500 quad cab 4x4 longbed and an Infiniti FX50 on the BI and it cost me $480 to register both.
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What's your address so I can give it to the process server?
Glad you have a lawyer already! :shaka: :wave: :rofl:
I can be found just past the singing bridge, in the pavilion at the waterfront park.
or check at the Starbucks just up the road, they have free WiFi and "facilities".
I'll pay much more attention in the future, Thank you.
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Oahu vehicle registration is already very high. I have an Acura MDX on Oahu and it cost me $475 to register. I have a Dodge Ram 2500 quad cab 4x4 longbed and an Infiniti FX50 on the BI and it cost me $480 to register both.
Its not high enough to have you look at other trans options. If the local govt was smart about this they would do that. Make private vehicle ownership subsidize the rail and/or other public trans options. If they really wanted to take vehicles off the road and decrease congestion.
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ren for Governor 2022.
Correction, I meant 2022.
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Its not high enough to have you look at other trans options. If the local govt was smart about this they would do that. Make private vehicle ownership subsidize the rail and/or other public trans options. If they really wanted to take vehicles off the road and decrease congestion.
I agree, and discount electric vehicle tax to encourage electric cars vs gas. Lower our dependence on fossil fuels and less of our money paying some middle east country. Use some of that money gained to expedite the conversion of our power generation to renewable energy instead of gas plants.
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Its not high enough to have you look at other trans options. If the local govt was smart about this they would do that. Make private vehicle ownership subsidize the rail and/or other public trans options. If they really wanted to take vehicles off the road and decrease congestion.
https://youtu.be/CuwMvesrw7w
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ren for Governor 2222.
Will he look like Nancy Pelosi? ;D
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Its not high enough to have you look at other trans options. If the local govt was smart about this they would do that. Make private vehicle ownership subsidize the rail and/or other public trans options. If they really wanted to take vehicles off the road and decrease congestion.
Make the roads less congested for the well off people by getting the poor people off them ?
Or will everyone just ride mopeds and scooters ?
My guess is they’ll subsidize it with a gas tax.
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I can be found just past the singing bridge, in the pavilion at the waterfront park.
or check at the Starbucks just up the road, they have free WiFi and "facilities".
I'll pay much more attention in the future, Thank you.
:thumbsup: :thumbsup:
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Lets compare the HI rail to Taipei's MRT (rail).
In taipei, i can catch the mrt and get off and pretty much have only a 10 minute walk to get where i need to go. HIs rail wont be like that. U would still have to bus it because the walk will be longer than 10 mins.
MRT is like a spider web. Not just a single line like HI. And b4 anyone says HI has limited space, taipei is more crowded than HI. Like many buildings are inches apart from each other, almost touching.
When I heard Honolulu was getting rail it was very exciting, but then I saw the plan. All over the world they know how to do rail right, but the version we have is for the benefit of corrupt contractors and developers who want continuous pavement from Hawaii Kai to Kapolei
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When I heard Honolulu was getting rail it was very exciting, but then I saw the plan. All over the world they know how to do rail right, but the version we have is for the benefit of corrupt contractors and developers who want continuous pavement from Hawaii Kai to Kapolei
I moved here in 1993. I kept hearing how the C&C was doing a rail study before I arrived. Then they did another, and another .... Each study seemed to cost upwards of a million buck, and they all ended with the same result: Rail? No. Zipper Lane, more buses, improved roads, widening H-1, ... all recommended and done. Finally, when the rail decision was made, most people were asking, so what changed from the previous studies? How did rail all of a sudden become a feasible solution considering the multi-billion dollar price tag and limited areas being serviced?
So far, those questions have all been shouted down by people who have no idea what they are talking about. "Climate Change!" "Mass Transit Rules!" "Get drivers off the roads!" "It'll pay for itself!"
Most of us knew better. Over schedule, WAY over budget, and won't solve any of the stated problems. Operations will continue to haunt tax payers forever.
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When I heard Honolulu was getting rail it was very exciting, but then I saw the plan. All over the world they know how to do rail right, but the version we have is for the benefit of corrupt contractors and developers who want continuous pavement from Hawaii Kai to Kapolei
Yup. That is what I was getting at for our enlightened one. There are certain characteristics of the rails that “got it right”. Hawaii’s layout doesn’t have any of that. Actually, that’s fine. Make Hawaii’s rail fit for our situation. But no, they wanted to force fit layouts that worked elsewhere to here. We don’t have the linear layout of I-5 like Seattle, or already existing dozens of park and rides.
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Yup. That is what I was getting at for our enlightened one. There are certain characteristics of the rails that “got it right”. Hawaii’s layout doesn’t have any of that. Actually, that’s fine. Make Hawaii’s rail fit for our situation. But no, they wanted to force fit layouts that worked elsewhere to here. We don’t have the linear layout of I-5 like Seattle, or already existing dozens of park and rides.
It seems to me, the rail route went through areas where city, county and state officials (and their friends and relatives) owned property -- which was sold to the city for multiples more than fair market value.
Did the property get bought by those individuals because they had someone in the planning process tell them where to buy? Or was the plan designed such that those specific plots of land became instant jackpots?
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It seems to me, the rail route went through areas where city, county and state officials (and their friends and relatives) owned property -- which was sold to the city for multiples more than fair market value.
Did the property get bought by those individuals because they had someone in the planning process tell them where to buy? Or was the plan designed such that those specific plots of land became instant jackpots?
I personally don’t have any info on that. Might want to ask those who are under investigation. :o
But the studies is another aspect, that you mentioned. My former company was involved in at least a couple of them. I personally wasn’t (different departments/disciplines).
Take a look as what was happening back then. Campaign spending investigations and people getting smacked and other “cleaning up”. Well, I’ll just say that’s what the public saw. My boss was actually caught up in that net, but luckily he was part of those who were “rounded up” as part of the investigation, as opposed to actual charges.
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I personally don’t have any info on that. Might want to ask those who are under investigation. :o
But the studies is another aspect, that you mentioned. My former company was involved in at least a couple of them. I personally wasn’t (different departments/disciplines).
Take a look as what was happening back then. Campaign spending investigations and people getting smacked and other “cleaning up”. Well, I’ll just say that’s what the public saw. My boss was actually caught up in that net, but luckily he was part of those who were “rounded up” as part of the investigation, as opposed to actual charges.
The corruption never stops, because too many do get away with it.
January 28, 2019
A Honolulu engineer admitted paying $400,000 in bribes, but secrecy still surrounds
the state employees and Micronesian officials who allegedly accepted payoffs.
Last week, a prominent local engineer and member of Honolulu’s Zoning Board of Appeals
delivered a stunning guilty plea in federal court.
Frank James Lyon admitted paying public officials in Hawaii and Micronesia more than $400,000
in bribes that bought his firm more than $10 million in contract work over a decade.
Lyon’s company, Honolulu-based Lyon Associates, has been awarded numerous contracts from
local public agencies over the years. The firm was originally launched by Lyon’s father more than
50 years ago, handling design and construction projects across the globe.
But the plea agreement raises a number of unanswered questions.
So far, federal authorities prosecuting the case have declined to publicly identify which Hawaii
state officials Lyon admitted paying more than $250,000 to in order to secure a $2.5 million contract
for Lyon Associates — or which state agency they worked for.
Nor have they identified Lyon’s co-conspirator in Hawaii who benefitted from the scheme — a
budding public-corruption scandal that a local legal expert at the University of Hawaii’s law school
says is certain to grow.
https://www.civilbeat.org/2019/01/a-new-public-corruption-scandal-looms-for-hawaii/
Gotta pay for those Vegas trips somehow!
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Make the roads less congested for the well off people by getting the poor people off them ?
Or will everyone just ride mopeds and scooters ?
My guess is they’ll subsidize it with a gas tax.
No not at all. Not to keep poor people off - everyone. We would still have The Bus. Having a vehicle is a luxury. We've become so dependent on cars that we treat them as a necessity. In similar geographical locations i.e. Southeast Asian countries where there are dense populations they do rely on smaller modes of transportation. TukTuks and the like.
The trend here and across America is larger, heavier vehicles. More traffic space taken up. More wear and tear on the road surface. More frequent re-pavement. If we really want to be serious about transportation, yes we should downsize to smaller more efficient vehicles. Have we done it in Hawaii? Nope. Without some study/poll on vehicle ownership and usage; I'd be willing to surmise that few are willing to give up their large SUV or large truck. How many of us take the bus of bike to work? Walk? I get poked fun at from time to time for my smaller hybrid car and bicycling to work 3x a week before the pan Pacific Pandemic. I pay half as much as my friends' with their 4Runner and Tundras not to mention gasoline and other maintenance issues. Tires are often overlooked as pollution. What do you think happens to all that rubber when you need new tires? It ends up as dust - pollution; and we breathe that crap in; especially if you live near the freeway. That black stuff that ends up on your siding.
The most ecologically friendly and maybe for some of us - economical are our feet. I work in town but don't live in it. A 13 mile trip to work takes me about 45 mins on e-power and about 90 mins without. On some days that's the equivalent of driving in traffic. I can trim off perhaps 10-15 mins if I didn't have to wait for traffic lights. A bike lane doesn't take up much space. The lifestyle change wasn't difficult. I had to pack my clothes, a first aid kit, and a maintenance kit. The motivation to do it was the challenge.
Alternative transportation modes such as biking. No expensive taxes. No eyesore. Probably help people lose weight. That option is there. Right now.
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No not at all. Not to keep poor people off - everyone. We would still have The Bus. Having a vehicle is a luxury. We've become so dependent on cars that we treat them as a necessity. In similar geographical locations i.e. Southeast Asian countries where there are dense populations they do rely on smaller modes of transportation. TukTuks and the like.
The trend here and across America is larger, heavier vehicles. More traffic space taken up. More wear and tear on the road surface. More frequent re-pavement. If we really want to be serious about transportation, yes we should downsize to smaller more efficient vehicles. Have we done it in Hawaii? Nope. Without some study/poll on vehicle ownership and usage; I'd be willing to surmise that few are willing to give up their large SUV or large truck. How many of us take the bus of bike to work? Walk? I get poked fun at from time to time for my smaller hybrid car and bicycling to work 3x a week before the pan Pacific Pandemic. I pay half as much as my friends' with their 4Runner and Tundras not to mention gasoline and other maintenance issues. Tires are often overlooked as pollution. What do you think happens to all that rubber when you need new tires? It ends up as dust - pollution; and we breathe that crap in; especially if you live near the freeway. That black stuff that ends up on your siding.
The most ecologically friendly and maybe for some of us - economical are our feet. I work in town but don't live in it. A 13 mile trip to work takes me about 45 mins on e-power and about 90 mins without. I can trim off perhaps 10-15 mins if I didn't have to wait for traffic lights. A bike lane doesn't take up much space.
With working at home becoming normal now, getting most of what we need delivered to the house/apartment, and even schools, healthcare and other necessities converting to online services, we really don't need to get outside much anyway. Just combine your exercise with walking to the few places you still need to visit.
We live on an island. No need to get out and just drive when all you get to do here is drive in circles at, or below, the speed limits., Take the bus. Read an eBook. Watch a video on Climate Change. :geekdanc:
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Its a Christmas miracle, something I agree with ren and flapp.
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Its a Christmas miracle, something I agree with ren and flapp.
If you liked these posts, you should consider browsing The Babylon Bee, too. Lots of excellent ideas there I'm sure you'll enthusiastically adopt! :geekdanc:
You'll find a goldmine of nuggets like this:
SEATTLE, WA—The Babylon Bee had the honor of sitting down with a local brave #resistance fighter to learn
more about the fearless counterculture fighting against hate and other bad stuff like that. According to Doy Keeblesmush,
a leader of the local resistance movement in Seattle, the ideology consists of whatever the media, universities,
corporations, and Hollywood tell them they should think.
"Yeah, I'm pretty much a free thinker," said Keeblesmush when interviewed at a protest rally sponsored by Kinko's.
"I would say my ideology is an eclectic mix of Vox, Marvel comics, Starbucks' Twitter feed, and whatever my
Sociology 101 professor says. There's a lot of hate and misinformation out there, so it's important that I get my
life's moral compass entirely from multi-billion dollar corporations and celebrities. The only exception is dead German
philosophers like Marx. They're cool too."
According to Keeblesmush, blindly following the prevailing winds of culture as dictated by trends and hype is the
best way of making sure one is on the "right side of history."
https://babylonbee.com/news/counter-cultural-rebel-believes-everything-athletes-reporters-actors-ceos-believe
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They should use the rail for this.
Dedicated lane.
https://youtu.be/Ufq_F0doylI
Or maybe if they if let us roll like this.
https://youtu.be/_uz2MR9-UTI
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If you liked these posts, you should consider browsing The Babylon Bee, too. Lots of excellent ideas there I'm sure you'll enthusiastically adopt! :geekdanc:
You'll find a goldmine of nuggets like this:
https://babylonbee.com/news/counter-cultural-rebel-believes-everything-athletes-reporters-actors-ceos-believe
I don't think we are responsible for climate change but we do live on a rock. If everyone drove an 18 wheeler we'd need more land. I understand we all love our trucks. You can keep your truck, it's just going to cost more. If this is the mainland then no taxes or fees for your land battleship. Keep on truckin'. Fact of the matter is we live on a rock. If we want more people to take public trans then give them an incentive.
And just like that it was gone. Shortest Christmas season ever
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With working at home becoming normal now, getting most of what we need delivered to the house/apartment, and even schools, healthcare and other necessities converting to online services, we really don't need to get outside much anyway. Just combine your exercise with walking to the few places you still need to visit.
We live on an island. No need to get out and just drive when all you get to do here is drive in circles at, or below, the speed limits., Take the bus. Read an eBook. Watch a video on Climate Change. :geekdanc:
I don't think we are responsible for climate change but we do live on a rock. If everyone drove an 18 wheeler we'd need more land. I understand we all love our trucks. You can keep your truck, it's just going to cost more. If this is the mainland then no taxes or fees for your land battleship. Keep on truckin'. Fact of the matter is we live on a rock. If we want more people to take public trans then give them an incentive.
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And just like that it was gone. Shortest Christmas season ever
Like I said it ain't easy. I'd love to drive a truck or 4Runner. I just don't want to pay for the gas, registration fees, and maintenance. With that said, American vehicles are getting bigger. Tacomas are much larger than their ancestors. So are RAVs, and other SUVs that started as small. And that is the irony of it. Some of the same people who are crying about human caused climate change are driving pretty large vehicles. But it's good because those same people who can afford to drive those large vehicles can surely donate some money to an org or person to combat climate change. :thumbsup:
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Like I said it ain't easy. I'd love to drive a truck or 4Runner. I just don't want to pay for the gas, registration fees, and maintenance. With that said, American vehicles are getting bigger. Tacomas are much larger than their ancestors. So are RAVs, and other SUVs that started as small. And that is the irony of it. Some of the same people who are crying about human caused climate change are driving pretty large vehicles. But it's good because those same people who can afford to drive those large vehicles can surely donate some money to an org or person to combat climate change. :thumbsup:
I fully support "those people" donating THEIR money to climate change.
It's when they start trying to force all of us to "donate," they need to shut the hell up.
When you give your own money to help others, that's called charity.
When you take someone else's money to help others, that's called theft.
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I don't think we are responsible for climate change but we do live on a rock. If everyone drove an 18 wheeler we'd need more land. I understand we all love our trucks. You can keep your truck, it's just going to cost more. If this is the mainland then no taxes or fees for your land battleship. Keep on truckin'. Fact of the matter is we live on a rock. If we want more people to take public trans then give them an incentive.
I'm on the big island.
You can't go much of anywhere without a
4WD. We don't have the road system.
I own a Donkey and a Mule as a backup
as do most my neighbors.
Oahu solutions forced on the outer islands
just are wrong!
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I fully support "those people" donating THEIR money to climate change.
It's when they start trying to force all of us to "donate," they need to shut the hell up.
When you give your own money to help others, that's called charity.
When you take someone else's money to help others, that's called theft.
I look forward to when you leave this world so your actions doesn't affect my health and children's future.
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I look forward to when you leave this world so your actions doesn't affect my health and children's future.
Uh whut? You might want to rethink...
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Uh whut? You might want to rethink...
I was going on the line of physically leaving this world. So his actions don't affect earth like his freedom says. Bad wording. I hear mars is looking for some extra co2
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The corruption never stops, because too many do get away with it.
SNIP
Gotta pay for those Vegas trips somehow!
Forgot to come back to this one.
My old company did work with Lyon. They were an good company to work with. I did know more than a few others that were in that range of "involvement" and penalties. The "game" was setup and had to play by the rules, or not get work. So many stories of recommendations for awards to go to X from staff level, then making it to management and then being returned as "correct justification for Y and award". What the hell?
IMO, the "game" was such that those who paid generally got smacked, but those who setup the "game" generally got off scott free.
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My limited exposure to Hawaii city/county/state government offices I saw a tremendous amount of corruption. I saw racism on the Big Island against whites by government workers. I saw preferential treatment of certain service providers and contractors by people who make barely $50k to $60k a year and lived in expensive neighborhoods and drove expensive cars that a position paying that much could obviously not afford. I saw government workers who were in charge of the government purse strings give unnecessary work to contractors because there was still money in their budget. Instead of trying to save the taxpayer money.
And don’t get me started with what I saw on the rail....
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I saw government workers who were in charge of the government purse strings give unnecessary work to contractors because there was still money in their budget. Instead of trying to save the taxpayer money.
I never saw it but would hear all the time about my SIL (who is since retired) talk about how her job is to access contractor work and report to her bosses about the money situation in the current budget.
Everytime there was excess money in the budget the boss would tell her to allot the money for frivolous contracts because if they reported excess their next fiscal allotment will be cut.
It never went well with her when he directed her to do this and I've always told her it never sat well with me also. She was very happy when she could retire. It came to the point where she felt her very existence in her job was to spend the whole budget no matter how stupid the reason was.
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I never saw it but would hear all the time about my SIL (who is since retired) talk about how her job is to access contractor work and report to her bosses about the money situation in the current budget.
Everytime there was excess money in the budget the boss would tell her to allot the money for frivolous contracts because if they reported excess their next fiscal allotment will be cut.
It never went well with her when he directed her to do this and I've always told her it never sat well with me also. She was very happy when she could retire. It came to the point where she felt her very existence in her job was to spend the whole budget no matter how stupid the reason was.
It's not the agencies fault on this. If the government didn't threatened to cut funding people wouldn't have to do this.
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I never saw it but would hear all the time about my SIL (who is since retired) talk about how her job is to access contractor work and report to her bosses about the money situation in the current budget.
Everytime there was excess money in the budget the boss would tell her to allot the money for frivolous contracts because if they reported excess their next fiscal allotment will be cut.
It never went well with her when he directed her to do this and I've always told her it never sat well with me also. She was very happy when she could retire. It came to the point where she felt her very existence in her job was to spend the whole budget no matter how stupid the reason was.
That's the problem, there are tons of government dept and private sectors who follow this philosophy. I have a friend whos an electrical engineer and ordered a bunch of bolts that cost $40,000 each to fill the spending to the brim. This is my tax dollars. I asked how often are these bolts used and he said every now and then. But now they're stocked up for at least 5 years.
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That's the problem, there are tons of government dept and private sectors who follow this philosophy. I have a friend whos an electrical engineer and ordered a bunch of bolts that cost $40,000 each to fill the spending to the brim. This is my tax dollars. I asked how often are these bolts used and he said every now and then. But now they're stocked up for at least 5 years.
Should've spent it on N95 masks. . .
Oh, and tinfoil. . .
:rofl:
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I never saw it but would hear all the time about my SIL (who is since retired) talk about how her job is to access contractor work and report to her bosses about the money situation in the current budget.
Everytime there was excess money in the budget the boss would tell her to allot the money for frivolous contracts because if they reported excess their next fiscal allotment will be cut.
It never went well with her when he directed her to do this and I've always told her it never sat well with me also. She was very happy when she could retire. It came to the point where she felt her very existence in her job was to spend the whole budget no matter how stupid the reason was.
I feel her pain. I have several friends that confided similar feelings to me. It is sad that one feels their job is in jeopardy if one says something. Or they get transferred to the department where no one wants to be. I always worked as an outside contractor so it never directly affected me. It just killed me that I was taking the place of a government employee on a project. All the while the employees sat in their offices watching youtube videos, shopping on Amazon/eBay etc. Talk about government waste.
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I feel her pain. I have several friends that confided similar feelings to me. It is sad that one feels their job is in jeopardy if one says something. Or they get transferred to the department where no one wants to be. I always worked as an outside contractor so it never directly affected me. It just killed me that I was taking the place of a government employee on a project. All the while the employees sat in their offices watching youtube videos, shopping on Amazon/eBay etc. Talk about government waste.
When I was a summer student, there was a guy named "Johnny Do Nothing". I fricken totally serious. Buggah took forever to read the daily newspaper. Might have been doing the crossword puzzle too. :crazy: :grrr:
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When I was a summer student, there was a guy named "Johnny Do Nothing". I fricken totally serious. Buggah took forever to read the daily newspaper. Might have been doing the crossword puzzle too. :crazy: :grrr:
Send Johnny to the cornfield!
https://youtu.be/_C34g5mz1ZQ