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General Topics => Political Discussion => Topic started by: changemyoil66 on November 04, 2020, 09:37:02 AM
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Figure start a new fresh thread anything election results related.
1) AP called HI before polls even closed. An on the AP website it states they do not estimate, but rely on actual data.
2) For MI, Biden got 138K votes and Trump didn't get even 1. Social media circulating the story. Did they find a box of all Biden marked ballots and forgot to process?
3) WI, more votes than registered voters
4) Libertarians may have cost Trump the election in WI and MI. A wasted vote because no 3rd party had a chance. (See Omni's long post somewhere about this)
5) For HI, if the wait was 3 hours, how did people leave the line to use the restroom? And if they can just go and come back, how did the officials make sure no one is sneaking in line.
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1) AP called HI before polls even closed. An on the AP website it states they do not estimate, but rely on actual data.
Its accurate though, hawaii did go for Biden, and it went hard like usual.
2) For MI, Biden got 138K votes and Trump didn't get even 1. Social media circulating the story. Did they find a box of all Biden marked ballots and forgot to process?
Counting mail in ballots which is beyond a majority of democrats this sounds normal
3) WI, more votes than registered voters
Never heard of this, got links?
4) Libertarians may have cost Trump the election in WI and MI. A wasted vote because no 3rd party had a chance. (See Omni's long post somewhere about this)
This might be the case but I still strongly believe in the 3rd party and what it stands for
5) For HI, if the wait was 3 hours, how did people leave the line to use the restroom? And if they can just go and come back, how did the officials make sure no one is sneaking in line.
Hard to say but Hawaii wasn't a close election.
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Wall St is celebrating as it appear there will be no major domestic policy changes....
sad news for us...because you know....
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Looks like Biden going be the next POTUS. If he wins NV and MI, he reaches 270. He is leading in both states with almost all the votes counted. This is according to AP. Watching CBS now and they get different counts. ???
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The most off beat thing I saw was local polling places still open at 10pm.
I remember pictures from the primary where people were literally running to the collection boxes at the last minute.
Then the election crew physically removed the boxes.
Why wasn't the general run in the same manner?
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Looks like Biden going be the next POTUS. If he wins NV and MI, he reaches 270. He is leading in both states with almost all the votes counted. This is according to AP. Watching CBS now and they get different counts. ???
Too early to tell. Most likely it will end up in the Supreme Court, which is why the left was throwing such a fit over ACB. It appears there was some embarrassingly obvious cheating in Wisconsin and Michigan. It looks like Trump won but then every dirty trick in the book was pulled to undo the results. Hopefully they pulled at least one trick too many and get caught with their pants down.
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1) AP called HI before polls even closed. An on the AP website it states they do not estimate, but rely on actual data.
Its accurate though, hawaii did go for Biden, and it went hard like usual.
2) For MI, Biden got 138K votes and Trump didn't get even 1. Social media circulating the story. Did they find a box of all Biden marked ballots and forgot to process?
Counting mail in ballots which is beyond a majority of democrats this sounds normal
3) WI, more votes than registered voters
Never heard of this, got links?
4) Libertarians may have cost Trump the election in WI and MI. A wasted vote because no 3rd party had a chance. (See Omni's long post somewhere about this)
This might be the case but I still strongly believe in the 3rd party and what it stands for
5) For HI, if the wait was 3 hours, how did people leave the line to use the restroom? And if they can just go and come back, how did the officials make sure no one is sneaking in line.
Hard to say but Hawaii wasn't a close election.
1)We all know HI will be blue, but for the AP to report the tally b4 the results even released goes against what they posted on how they report the #s. And the fact that many Trump won states waited until the very end to post he won it. Like TX and FL as an example. Compared to Biden, Wa had only 100K votes and already declared a win for him by the AP map. In TX, he was up about 500K with most votes counted and still no solid red on the map. So for the entire night, it showed Biden in the lead because he got his numbers first.
2) A mistake by about 15,000 was reported at 150,000 (extra zero). So they had to subtract the 138K. Coincidence or got caught and covering ass now? We will never know
3) I looked into this and debunked it. WI website says 3.6 million reg to vote. Right now about 3.29 voted. Which is a 90% turn out. WOW. Average turnout is 67%ish.
4) People who believe in a candidate who has no chance of winning might have gave the election to Biden. Thank you for playing.
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The most off beat thing I saw was local polling places still open at 10pm.
I remember pictures from the primary where people were literally running to the collection boxes at the last minute.
Then the election crew physically removed the boxes.
Why wasn't the general run in the same manner?
The boxes were closed promptly at 7pm. But the polls, as long as ur in line by 7pm, you can vote.
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Wall St is celebrating as it appear there will be no major domestic policy changes....
sad news for us...because you know....
This is good news for guns too. Biden will be a lame duck. No meaningful gun laws. No packing courts.
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Too early to tell. Most likely it will end up in the Supreme Court, which is why the left was throwing such a fit over ACB. It appears there was some embarrassingly obvious cheating in Wisconsin and Michigan. It looks like Trump won but then every dirty trick in the book was pulled to undo the results. Hopefully they pulled at least one trick too many and get caught with their pants down.
No obvious cheating, counting mail in ballots which happens to be heavily democrat is normal. Never is a election finished on election day. There's nothing the courts can do in those states, they won the lawsuit in Wisconsin, lol. You are supposed to count all the votes.
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No obvious cheating, counting mail in ballots which happens to be heavily democrat is normal. Never is a election finished on election day. There's nothing the courts can do in those states, they won the lawsuit in Wisconsin, lol. You are supposed to count all the votes.
If they dumped a bunch of fraudulent votes to flip the election then those should definitely not count. I will wait to see what happens with the legal challenges, because the people who lied about the polls and pretty much lied about everything else obviously cannot be trusted.
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https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/11/voter-fraud-wisconsin-massive-dump-100000-ballots-biden-sudden-appear-overnight/
Convenient little bump there right at the end. What are the chances that nearly ALL of the last minute votes were for Biden? Statistically impossible.
(https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/wp-content/uploads/Wisconsin-Data-Dump-11-4-morning.jpg)
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Or more votes counted than registered voters? Dunno if info was vetted, but :hmm:
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Democrats NEVER commit vote fraud.
Just ask them!
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The repercussions of this maneuver will be with us for generations.
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https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/11/voter-fraud-wisconsin-massive-dump-100000-ballots-biden-sudden-appear-overnight/
Convenient little bump there right at the end. What are the chances that nearly ALL of the last minute votes were for Biden? Statistically impossible.
(https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/wp-content/uploads/Wisconsin-Data-Dump-11-4-morning.jpg)
This is just conspiracy theories its because they counted mail in votes...Which biden embraced and trump was against. So they are majority democrat votes. Also depends on the county that was counted. Democrat heavy counties submitted their votes.
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https://youtu.be/RoDdRNQc2rA
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One of the issues mentioned on the Right Angle video I posted:
It was reported that in AZ, the poll workers placed Sharpie markers on the tables for voters to mark their ballots. The problem is, the markers BLED THROUGH the ballots. If the marks bled, it ruined the ballots and they were thrown out. As this problem was relayed to people in line, many walked in with their own regular ink pens, but the poll workers told them they could not vote unless they used the Sharpies.
Since Republicans showed up on election day in much greater numbers than early and mail-in voting Dems, guess which candidates were having their votes discarded.
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This is just conspiracy theories its because they counted mail in votes...Which biden embraced and trump was against. So they are majority democrat votes. Also depends on the county that was counted. Democrat heavy counties submitted their votes.
Well, you're full of shit again, as usual.
The state has just claimed there was a "typo". One county reported the wrong number for Biden by adding a "0" onto the end of the correct number:
"The massive jump in Biden votes out of nowhere is because Shiawassee county reported “153710” when it SHOULD have been “15371.” "
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Well, you're full of shit again, as usual.
The state has just claimed there was a "typo". One county reported the wrong number for Biden by adding a "0" onto the end of the correct number:
"The massive jump in Biden votes out of nowhere is because Shiawassee county reported “153710” when it SHOULD have been “15371.” "
That's only a difference of 138,339. Such a tiny amount to squabble over. :wacko:
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1)We all know HI will be blue, but for the AP to report the tally b4 the results even released goes against what they posted on how they report the #s. And the fact that many Trump won states waited until the very end to post he won it. Like TX and FL as an example. Compared to Biden, Wa had only 100K votes and already declared a win for him by the AP map. In TX, he was up about 500K with most votes counted and still no solid red on the map. So for the entire night, it showed Biden in the lead because he got his numbers first.
2) A mistake by about 15,000 was reported at 150,000 (extra zero). So they had to subtract the 138K. Coincidence or got caught and covering ass now? We will never know
3) I looked into this and debunked it. WI website says 3.6 million reg to vote. Right now about 3.29 voted. Which is a 90% turn out. WOW. Average turnout is 67%ish.
4) People who believe in a candidate who has no chance of winning might have gave the election to Biden. Thank you for playing.
they said they use "historical results"
AP calling it early and people sneaking into line are not going to affect a 66/33 margin...
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This is good news for guns too. Biden will be a lame duck. No meaningful gun laws. No packing courts.
i don't think you know what "lame duck" means...
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i don't think you know what "lame duck" means...
Maybe he's referring to Biden only serving a couple of months before he's removed from office (mental decline and/or corruption investigation). Then President Harris will really show us how it's done! :shake:
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i don't think you know what "lame duck" means...
He wont re-run this is a 1 term presidency.
they said they use "historical results"
AP calling it early and people sneaking into line are not going to affect a 66/33 margin...
Exactly
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He wont re-run this is a 1 term presidency.
Exactly
He won’t re-run? ???
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He wont re-run this is a 1 term presidency.
Exactly
That's not what lame duck means.
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(mental decline and/or corruption investigation).
No way FBI is investigating the new boss if he wins.
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He wont re-run this is a 1 term presidency.
Exactly
Like no. lol.
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No way FBI is investigating the new boss if he wins.
Would be funny if there’s a R controlled House and they go after Biden. How the hypocrisy would be.
“Where did I say that? Post the video!”
Here’s the video, dick...
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Would be funny if there’s a R controlled House and they go after Biden. How the hypocrisy would be.
“Where did I say that? Post the video!”
Here’s the video, dick...
"I didn't mean to say that, what I meant to say was pfhfaflsakfahflancieajclavnkdlsdhglsdhlsvb".
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He wont re-run this is a 1 term presidency.
i don't think you know what "lame duck" means...
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i don't think you know what "lame duck" means...
Believe? Or think?
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"I didn't mean to say that, what I meant to say was pfhfaflsakfahflancieajclavnkdlsdhglsdhlsvb".
There was a bit on Fox News last night when they discussed (or guessed that) Biden’s picked up on Biden losing track of which state he was in or was talking gibberish. Of course, that was when projections were in Trumps favor.
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He wont re-run this is a 1 term presidency.
You just demonstrated you don't know what "lame duck" means in the context of a President.
Look up "Lame Duck Session" in Congress. Same thing applies to President.
Hypothetically, if Biden is declared President Elect, then the time that Trump remains in office, up until inauguration day when Biden is sworn in, Trump is considered a Lame Duck. He has little power to push his agenda through Congress, and anything he accomplishes via Executive Order can easily be overturned after he leaves office.
Any convening of Congress during the period between election day and swearing in of new Congressional members is called a Lame Duck Session. It's the time when a former majority can get last minute tasks completed before they officially lose the majority. That's exactly how the ACA was passed -- 100% Dem/0% GOP votes to pass it in the last week of a Dem majority in the House.
Lame. :rofl:
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Poor Joe.
Will surely catch a "fatal" case of Covid-19 if he wins.
Martyr for the cause.
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You just demonstrated you don't know what "lame duck" means in the context of a President.
Look up "Lame Duck Session" in Congress. Same thing applies to President.
Hypothetically, if Biden is declared President Elect, then the time that Trump remains in office, up until inauguration day when Biden is sworn in, Trump is considered a Lame Duck. He has little power to push his agenda through Congress, and anything he accomplishes via Executive Order can easily be overturned after he leaves office.
Any convening of Congress during the period between election day and swearing in of new Congressional members is called a Lame Duck Session. It's the time when a former majority can get last minute tasks completed before they officially lose the majority. That's exactly how the ACA was passed -- 100% Dem/0% GOP votes to pass it in the last week of a Dem majority in the House.
Lame. :rofl:
He should also look up the rationale behind lengths of terms for Reps and Senators. Tides can and typically do change at mid-terms.
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Believe? Or think?
feel
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Poor Joe.
Will surely catch a "fatal" case of Covid-19 if he wins.
Martyr for the cause.
The Big Man gotta keep a low profile from his Chinese "investors".
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feel
you have no feelings. . .
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I see I guess I was wrong. What I meant is that he will be a figure head and not doing any meaningful changes. Republicans can stop all the gun control.
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I see I guess I was wrong. What I meant is that he will be a figure head and not doing any meaningful changes. Republicans can stop all the gun control.
You guess?
And not all gun control goes through the Senate.
You’ve really got to get your head on straight. At least when it comes to gun control issues.
Also, check out what Obama did in similar situation. Think he won’t be an influence on Biden?
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After he left office, Obama said his biggest regret was not being able to pass meaningful gun control.
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Looks like Trump is done.
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Looks like Trump is done.
Unless a state previously called for Biden flips. AZ? WI?
Trump's team is already anticipating a WI recount, because the margin was 0.6%, and anything under 1% is automatically recounted. If that stays for Biden and the margin is still that small, Trump could request a hand recount -- hopefully with a happy ending. :geekdanc:
There are 538 electors. If the count were a tie, it would be 269 each. That's where the magic number 270 came from.
Given the states still in play, it's impossible to see where this could be a tie UNLESS one faithless elector casts a Biden-bound vote for Trump (or anyone else .... Bernie again?)
Hawaii is already in Biden's "win" column, but if just one elector jumps ship like in 2016, it could stop Biden from claiming victory. And if Trump was looking at 268, any states could theoretically swing the entire election his way with just 2 faithless electors.
I can see an elector believing his state cheated, or at least handed the primary to Biden over Bernie. If he/she really wanted to get even, instead of voting for Bernie, they would vote for Trump so the DNC's primary pick can't win.
So many things could happen up until and after the states certify their totals. I heard WI has until Dec 1 to certify, which must be done before any recount is done. Maybe we'll get lucky and they'll certify sooner knowing a recount is a given.
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https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/11/voter-fraud-wisconsin-massive-dump-100000-ballots-biden-sudden-appear-overnight/
Convenient little bump there right at the end. What are the chances that nearly ALL of the last minute votes were for Biden? Statistically impossible.
(https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/wp-content/uploads/Wisconsin-Data-Dump-11-4-morning.jpg)
Trump won this election.
We’re supposed to believe that:
-Wisconsin’s turnout was 90%
-Atlanta vote count was delayed because of a “broken pipe”
-Green Bay vote count was delayed because they “ran out of ink”
-Batches of tens of thousands of votes are coming in 100% for Biden in Pennsylvania
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You guess?
And not all gun control goes through the Senate.
You’ve really got to get your head on straight. At least when it comes to gun control issues.
Also, check out what Obama did in similar situation. Think he won’t be an influence on Biden?
How will biden without the senate pass gun control? Executive orders can do no meaningful change. You cant ban assault rifles with executive orders.
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How will biden without the senate pass gun control? Executive orders can do no meaningful change. You cant ban assault rifles with executive orders.
You really do believe you know it all, don't you?
Not all gun control comes at the national level.
EO's can do no meaningful change? Well, eff me, I've got things all wrong. I can tell you without a damn doubt that they can effect meaningful change, as well as meaningful and long lasting harm.
You say you're "pro 2a", but yet you are so freaking ignorant of so many things. . . get educated before you continue to run your mouth here and make you look more foolish than you already have. . .
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How will biden without the senate pass gun control? Executive orders can do no meaningful change. You cant ban assault rifles with executive orders.
lol.
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How will biden without the senate pass gun control? Executive orders can do no meaningful change. You cant ban assault rifles with executive orders.
Goddamn you're a fucking moron. You think the Senate passed a bumpstock ban?
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How will biden without the senate pass gun control? Executive orders can do no meaningful change. You cant ban assault rifles with executive orders.
Did Obama not create DACA, a 100% unconstitutional Executive Order, even while ADMITTING it was just a stop-gap measure to try and kick Congress in the ass to finally do something for immigration reform?
It remained in effect until Trump repealed it.
Unless challenged, Executive Orders can do anything the President wants as long as it applies to agencies that work for the Executive branch.
You know .... agencies like DOJ, FBI, BATFE, IRS, DHS, DoD.
For example, the DoD could make it policy to restrict members and their family from possessing certain types of personal firearms while living in gov't quarters or lodging being paid for by gov't funding (lodging allowance for off-base quarters).
The BATFE could ban assault weapons outright by issuing a regulation, assuming they do it properly this time and not try to sneak it in without first soliciting public comments (like they tried to do with green tip AR-15 ammo -- "Sorry. Administrative 'mistake'".
The IRS could go after assault weapon makers, parts manufacturers, retailers, etc. They don't have to find any problems, but they can still tie them up in court for years, costing the companies millions in legal fees to fight it. The Gov't has essentially unlimited resources when it comes to litigation, resources like time, people, money and patience. It's why most people settle with the Gov't if they can, or just drop the case completely. Battle of attrition.
Biden already posted a list of things he can do, like limiting purchases of firearms to one per month so he can prevent "stockpiling." Not only is stockpiling not a problem related to crime, but collectors (like yourself) will be unable to jump on a fantastic and rare opportunity unless the seller will wait a few months for you to be allowed to transfer 3 or more guns to your collection.
It's ALL gun control. Has nothing to do with making anybody safer -- except the government (from the people).
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Goddamn you're a fucking moron. You think the Senate passed a bumpstock ban?
:rofl:
This ought to be interesting. He can never say he's wrong. . . being he was raised by lawyers. . .
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Just when you think someone couldn't possible say anything more idiotic. . . he goes and TOTALLY goes overboard to prove us wrong. . .
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I see I guess I was wrong. What I meant is that he will be a figure head and not doing any meaningful changes. Republicans can stop all the gun control.
you are still wrong...
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I guess Trump really should wait till Dec 14 and the EC votes. He just might eek out a win.
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Goddamn you're a fucking moron. You think the Senate passed a bumpstock ban?
The was talking about the assault rifle ban passed into the law before.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B8X3McohnWM
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This is just conspiracy theories its because they counted mail in votes...Which biden embraced and trump was against. So they are majority democrat votes. Also depends on the county that was counted. Democrat heavy counties submitted their votes.
You sound so certain.
The thing your bosses did not tell you (because they are incompetent) is that this sort of obvious in-our-face voter fraud may have worked in the USSR and PRNK but it will not fly in this country. We grew up loving freedom and cherishing our rights, and our national mythos states very clearly what we are supposed to do when someone tries to take that away.
Yes both sides play dirty games, but up to this point everyone recognized that there is a line that should not be crossed in order to maintain the integrity of the process. Once people view the authority as illegitimate they will not cooperate with the federal government, and the only tool left in the box is violent coercion. This is the kind of thing that makes states want to call a constitutional convention in order to secede and/or dissolve the union.
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You sound so certain.
The thing your bosses did not tell you (because they are incompetent) is that this sort of obvious in-our-face voter fraud may have worked in the USSR and PRNK but it will not fly in this country. We grew up loving freedom and cherishing our rights, and our national mythos states very clearly what we are supposed to do when someone tries to take that away.
Yes both sides play dirty games, but up to this point everyone recognized that there is a line that should not be crossed in order to maintain the integrity of the process. Once people view the authority as illegitimate they will not cooperate with the federal government, and the only tool left in the box is violent coercion. This is the kind of thing that makes states want to call a constitutional convention in order to secede and/or dissolve the union.
Very much so. Yet another point being missed by the all knowing one. . .
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Once people view the authority as illegitimate they will not cooperate with the federal government, and the only tool left in the box is violent coercion.
Spoken like a true Hawaiian national! :thumbsup:
This is the kind of thing that makes states want to call a constitutional convention in order to secede and/or dissolve the union.
Well, those states should wait their turn. We Hawaiians legally get to restore our nation, first. :shaka:
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Spoken like a true Hawaiian national! :thumbsup:
It is definitely ironic, will give you that, however most of the Hawaiians did cooperate and are still cooperating to this day because they got sprinkled with federal money pixie dust. The gravy train is not going to last much longer and there is currently no plan for self sufficiency, so careful what you wish for.
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Spoken like a true Hawaiian national! :thumbsup:
Well, those states should wait their turn. We Hawaiians legally get to restore our nation, first. :shaka:
I'd be more than happy to secede from Honolulu.
You can have the place. I think I'd fight and kill a
monarchy though. Democrats are intolerable as it is.
what is your Hawaiian proposal?
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In order to create the Progressive Socialist utopia, they have to first destroy anything in the US that is good:
- Tear down monuments, statues and building names, thereby reducing our history to "whatever is taught in schools and accepted by the "fact checkers".
- Destroy all confidence in law enforcement ... certain classes get away with crimes the rest of us never could, complain about the number of justices and make-up of the courts, call to abolish the police, call to abolish the electoral college in favor of "democratic voting" (i.e. mob rule), call to create more Progressive-leaning states (DC and PR), control the media and all mass communication media (Big Tech Social Media platforms), control as much of the markets as possible (healthcare, education, etc), and continuously push for more and more government regulations, laws and enforcement (masks, businesses closed, etc).
Once society and the economy collapse, the public will elect the people promising to fix the problems as long as they are given total control over all aspects of every facet of the country. People will be warned, but the electoral college, created to prevent a populist form of mob-implemented government, will no longer protect us. We'll be directly voting instead of allowing the states to select the president.
Destroying confidence and faith in the election system will undermine the government more than anything. Once that happens, we'll be looking for the next best thing and changing the Constitution to allow it. Maybe American Idol voting?
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I want to pack my bags and leave but I got nowhere to go... hopefully Texas will secede (only state that can legally do it, ok ok Kuleana, Hawaii too I guess) and I can go there..... :D :rofl: :rofl:
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Committing election fraud on this scale means depersonalizing the voters into "subjects" who need to be managed from cradle to grave. From there it is only a small logical step to justify locking people away who express unfavorable opinions. If that does not work then round them up and shoot them. We already see the violence of ANTIFA is a stick being waved in our face telling us to behave or else. I really hope the courts nut up and straighten this out because otherwise we are going to some very dark places and there are plenty of patriots out there who will not stand for it.
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APs and states .gov website are way off.(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20201105/2d91ab6a6213cbe2a08a7cfd179cec3b.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20201105/7a2aa4809abd2d95633123c6781bf73f.jpg)
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APs and states .gov website are way off.
Need to see if the number of counties reporting are different. Makes a difference. :geekdanc: :thumbsup:
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2000 had the hanging chads in FL
2020 has the sharpies of MI
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2000 had the hanging chads in FL
2020 has the sharpies of MI
Trump can't get away from that damn Sharpie-gate, can he? :wtf:
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It is definitely ironic, will give you that, however most of the Hawaiians did cooperate and are still cooperating to this day because they got sprinkled with federal money pixie dust. The gravy train is not going to last much longer and there is currently no plan for self sufficiency, so careful what you wish for.
With the exceptions of some sellouts, most Hawaiians living, in the aftermath, of the illegal annexation of Hawaii, in 1898, did not cooperate with the territorial government. Its would be after generations of educational de-nationalization that would effectively brainwash Hawaiians into thinking that Hawaii was taken by the US legally. The gravy train and such institutions like OHA and DHHL were the drugs and narcotics distributed to placate Hawaiians, in an effort, to getting them hooked, on federal handouts.
It is true that Hawaii has given-up its food security; however, I can tell you food security is the upmost concern, for most Hawaiians. Hawaiians push for traditional farming methods and fish ponds are the current baby-steps into that direction.
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what is your Hawaiian proposal?
The short-answer: the restoration, of the nation state, of Hawaii.
Since the last designated heir to the throne, Princess Kaiulani, has long since past away; the monarchy line has died-off. In its place, I would envision a more constitutional republic form of government, represented by multiple parties; non-fiat based currency; and a return to international neutrality (i.e., being the Switzerland, of the Pacific), as it was prior to 1898.
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In order to create the Progressive Socialist utopia, they have to first destroy anything in the US that is good:
- Tear down monuments, statues and building names, thereby reducing our history to "whatever is taught in schools and accepted by the "fact checkers".
- Destroy all confidence in law enforcement ... certain classes get away with crimes the rest of us never could, complain about the number of justices and make-up of the courts, call to abolish the police, call to abolish the electoral college in favor of "democratic voting" (i.e. mob rule), call to create more Progressive-leaning states (DC and PR), control the media and all mass communication media (Big Tech Social Media platforms), control as much of the markets as possible (healthcare, education, etc), and continuously push for more and more government regulations, laws and enforcement (masks, businesses closed, etc).
Once society and the economy collapse, the public will elect the people promising to fix the problems as long as they are given total control over all aspects of every facet of the country. People will be warned, but the electoral college, created to prevent a populist form of mob-implemented government, will no longer protect us. We'll be directly voting instead of allowing the states to select the president.
Destroying confidence and faith in the election system will undermine the government more than anything. Once that happens, we'll be looking for the next best thing and changing the Constitution to allow it. Maybe American Idol voting?
sounds like old-school East Germany, Soviet era. STASI and all. I think Portland is leading the way.
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I want to pack my bags and leave but I got nowhere to go... hopefully Texas will secede (only state that can legally do it, ok ok Kuleana, Hawaii too I guess) and I can go there..... :D :rofl: :rofl:
Ironically, both Texas and Hawaii have the same legal argument, against the US.
According to the US Constitution, the only way the US can acquire territory, from other nations, is by formal treaty, initially drafted, by the State Department. Since both Texas and Hawaii were illegally annexed, by a Joint-Resolution Act, by Congress, that annexation is a violation, of US Constitutional Law.
The only difference, between both cases, is the fact Texas was not fully able to gain international recognition, as did Hawaii. Hence, in order, to retain sovereignty, during an illegal occupation, the territory being occupied must have been internationally recognized, by the international community, of nations; just as in the case of Iraq, after the Gulf War II. After its defeat, Iraq still retained its sovereignty, despite its government being overthrown.
By-the-way, since international law forbids forcibly kicking people out, after an illegal occupation, such fears are unfounded, unless they happen to be fanatical zealots, of the two cheeks, of the same ass political parties that dominate the US. :shaka:
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seriously, what are we gonna have for the next 4 years?
gun shortages like we're seeing now, but continuing beyond the pandemic?
ungodly never-ending ammo scarcity?
restrictions on imports of firearms (trade restrictions)?
increased bureaucracy burden of FFL transactions?
NICS slowdowns?
firearms mfrs red tape, resulting in gun scarcity?
more pistol "brace" fiasco?
Beto in charge of ATF?
how bad is it gonna get, seriously, what's coming?
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seriously, what are we gonna have for the next 4 years?
gun shortages like we're seeing now, but continuing beyond the pandemic?
ungodly never-ending ammo scarcity?
restrictions on imports of firearms (trade restrictions)?
increased bureaucracy burden of FFL transactions?
NICS slowdowns?
firearms mfrs red tape, resulting in gun scarcity?
more pistol "brace" fiasco?
Beto in charge of ATF?
how bad is it gonna get, seriously, what's coming?
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@Biden/Harris grab a gun...it ain't over yet
if this was a dealer we'd be calling them out over it :rofl:
How much was the XRing shotgun again?
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The short-answer: the restoration, of the nation state, of Hawaii.
Since the last designated heir to the throne, Princess Kaiulani, has long since past away; the monarchy line has died-off. In its place, I would envision a more constitutional republic form of government, represented by multiple parties; non-fiat based currency; and a return to international neutrality (i.e., being the Switzerland, of the Pacific), as it was prior to 1898.
Non-fiat based currency - So the new kingdom will have money based on #dreams ?
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Committing election fraud on this scale means depersonalizing the voters into "subjects" who need to be managed from cradle to grave. From there it is only a small logical step to justify locking people away who express unfavorable opinions. If that does not work then round them up and shoot them. We already see the violence of ANTIFA is a stick being waved in our face telling us to behave or else. I really hope the courts nut up and straighten this out because otherwise we are going to some very dark places and there are plenty of patriots out there who will not stand for it.
Just like the moon landing, there is no way to commit fraud on this scale. Its just not possible.
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Just like the moon landing, there is no way to commit fraud on this scale. Its just not possible.
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remember when they told us not to worry about mail-in ballots?
where do all these ballots start appearing? FL counted theirs in about 4 hours...
https://twitter.com/MattWSB/status/1324236755583848449 (https://twitter.com/MattWSB/status/1324236755583848449)
Georgia: "Vote's 100% complete. Trump won."
Democrat precinct: "Whoa, hold on a minute. We just found another 20,000 ballots."
Georgia: "OK, how do they break down?"
Democrat precinct: "They're all for Biden."
Georgia: "OK, we'll count them, but Trump is still ahead."
Another Democrat precinct: "Whoa, hold on a minute. We just found another 14,000 ballots."
Georgia: "Let me guess, these are all for Biden too?"
Another Democrat precinct: "How'd you guess?"
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Just like the moon landing, there is no way to commit fraud on this scale. Its just not possible.
That's what the Democrats, Media, Leftist-Progressive-Liberals and states being run by Democrats keep telling us.
People have been LITERALLY sentenced to prison for election fraud.
Who do I feel I can believe? Hmmm....
There's no time in history where vote counts in states were HALTED before completion, yet this year, key swing states that had Trump leading the returns just stopped. Georgia said a water line break is going to stop the STATE from finishing for 4 days -- not that one precinct would be delayed. How does that work, exactly?
People have ADMITTED to voter fraud -- voting in multiple states, multiple times in one state, ballot harvesting, throwing away opposing party voter registration cards and ballots, post office workers dumping ballots, etc, etc, etc,
It's not just possible -- it's happening. This time, it was bigger and more transparent. PA got a court to say they can keep ballots where the signatures are a complete mismatch. How does that NOT invite fraud?
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remember when they told us not to worry about mail-in ballots?
where do all these ballots start appearing? FL counted theirs in about 4 hours...
https://twitter.com/MattWSB/status/1324236755583848449 (https://twitter.com/MattWSB/status/1324236755583848449)
Georgia: "Vote's 100% complete. Trump won."
Democrat precinct: "Whoa, hold on a minute. We just found another 20,000 ballots."
Georgia: "OK, how do they break down?"
Democrat precinct: "They're all for Biden."
Georgia: "OK, we'll count them, but Trump is still ahead."
Another Democrat precinct: "Whoa, hold on a minute. We just found another 14,000 ballots."
Georgia: "Let me guess, these are all for Biden too?"
Another Democrat precinct: "How'd you guess?"
Having laws preventing you from counting ballots early can create delays? What madness there's no coralation...
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Having laws preventing you from counting ballots early can create delays? What madness there's no coralation correlation...
lol.
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Having laws preventing you from counting ballots early can create delays? What madness there's no coralation...
coral does not grow there?
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Having laws preventing you from counting ballots early can create delays? What madness there's no coralation...
Is that a question?
Looks like a statement, but then you used a question mark.
Given your lack of attention to things like punctuation, spelling and grammar, I don't want to assume.
Case in point: The sentence fragments pretending to be 2 separate sentences that follow the question mark have no punctuation or capitalization indicating WTF you're trying to say.
"Coralation" has already been "addressed" by others, so I'll stop here. :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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Is that a question?
Looks like a statement, but then you used a question mark.
Given your lack of attention to things like punctuation, spelling and grammar, I don't want to assume.
Case in point: The sentence fragments pretending to be 2 separate sentences that follow the question mark have no punctuation or capitalization indicating WTF you're trying to say.
"Coralation" has already been "addressed" by others, so I'll stop here. :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
For someone who says rhetorical questions and satire, you would be able to get it too.
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coral does not grow there?
Are you "saying" a rhetorical question?
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For someone who says rhetorical questions and satire, you would be able to get it too.
I have friends who speak with really poor English -- thickly smothered in a Vietnamese accent.
I have no problems understanding their English writing and speaking. In fact, I wind up "interpreting" their English for others in meetings, because I get what they said better than most.
Since you have money to throw away on scams, maybe you could afford to hire a Vietnamese ghost writer who studied English?
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I've been HATING the recent YouTube interface design. It started about September-ish, and all I can think is they wanted to shove Bloomberg, NBC and other Left Wing News videos up to the top. As soon as I see "Bloomberg" in the title, I scroll so as to not accidentally click the video.
Anyway, looking right now at a video titled, "New York Protesters Demand Every Vote Counted".
Um, New York has already been called for Biden. Since voting is state-by-state, holding protests in NY demanding "every vote counted" is rather ... stupid? Makes no sense?
Looks like the looters need to go Christmas Shopping, and they were hoping for a little post-election rioting. If they can't complain about their own city or state, they'll complain about someone else's.
:popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn:
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Not a smidgeon of fraud -- in Detroit, Michigan.
https://youtu.be/ivT2z5UgHxo
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Having laws preventing you from counting ballots early can create delays? What madness there's no coralation...
They needed to have more counting machines. But lack of machines and people gives the perfect excuse to delay and "find" more votes. #tinfoil
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They needed to have more counting machines. But lack of machines and people gives the perfect excuse to delay and "find" more votes. #tinfoil
Its not only that they got a bunch of ballots from early voting but some states have stupid laws that all they can do is pile up the votes instead of starting to process. Which is why Florida went so quickly and other state like Pennsylvania is taking forever.
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Its not only that they got a bunch of ballots from early voting but some states have stupid laws that all they can do is pile up the votes instead of starting to process. Which is why Florida went so quickly and other state like Pennsylvania is taking forever.
These late states are run by DNC govs often. So I'm sure it was all part of the plan in the event for something like this #5gvotigmachines
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I was definitely doom and gloom yesterday, but I’ve finally come to terms with the fact that DTJ will probably lose this election. The idea that Rudy and the Prez are going to somehow prove voter fraud and remove thousands of fraudulent ballots from the election is just a pipe dream.
I think though, win or lose, Trump has changed the Republican Party for better. People have to understand that not very many people voted FOR Biden, they voted AGAINST trump. If the Republican Party can maintain the path that Trump put them on they will win many elections. We may have lost this battle, but the war is far from over.
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I was definitely doom and gloom yesterday, but I’ve finally come to terms with the fact that DTJ will probably lose this election. The idea that Rudy and the Prez are going to somehow prove voter fraud and remove thousands of fraudulent ballots from the election is just a pipe dream.
I think though, win or lose, Trump has changed the Republican Party for better. People have to understand that not very many people voted FOR Biden, they voted AGAINST trump. If the Republican Party can maintain the path that Trump put them on they will win many elections. We may have lost this battle, but the war is far from over.
Exactly what I've noticed and have been trying to get people to see or acknowledge. A vote based on hate for one without seeing the bad of the other is worse. I thought the tide shifted some in HI and seems like it did in the polls. I mean I wasn't expecting Trump to win in HI, but I think people will be emboldened next go around.
The thing for me was that when I went to bed Tue, things were looking up. Then magically Wed morning, tide totally changed. Overall, still a mess. Still can't believe folks went for Biden in the numbers that they did. Gonna have to get ready for those liberal gloaters who seemingly want to push US further into socialism. That said, I agree with you that I think Trump opened eyes of many. Particularly in the realm of media coverage and "haves and have nots". He could have done a lot better if he had just a little more discretion, but ahh, hindsight.
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So, for all practical purposes the soapbox didn't work (well, it did, but...).
And, for all practical purposes it appears the ballot box didn't work (due to fraud and corruption).
What's that third and final box again?
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Its not only that they got a bunch of ballots from early voting but some states have stupid laws that all they can do is pile up the votes instead of starting to process. Which is why Florida went so quickly and other state like Pennsylvania is taking forever.
What process? The process the state doesn't start until election day?
The state doesn't operate a month's long/several months long ballot counting operation. They set up on election day, start counting when the polls close, and they finish when they finish.
Having a counting room going for a month or more creates a massive opportunity for ongoing fraud. If the window of opportunity is a matter of hours or a day, that's much less of a risk than weeks and weeks.
That's not even considering the labor costs to pickup, deliver, keep safe and count ballots over the course of early and mail-in voting.
Why is it "some people" have this belief that government can just pull a bunch of trained, well-paid employees out of a given orifice at the drop of a hat? This whole mail-in ballot crap was put in place in the last months of the election cycle with no planning, no budget and no solutions for the obvious problems. Every single problem warned of by the Republicans has now appeared in the aftermath -- just as the Dems intended.
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Exactly what I've noticed and have been trying to get people to see or acknowledge. A vote based on hate for one without seeing the bad of the other is worse. I thought the tide shifted some in HI and seems like it did in the polls. I mean I wasn't expecting Trump to win in HI, but I think people will be emboldened next go around.
The thing for me was that when I went to bed Tue, things were looking up. Then magically Wed morning, tide totally changed. Overall, still a mess. Still can't believe folks went for Biden in the numbers that they did. Gonna have to get ready for those liberal gloaters who seemingly want to push US further into socialism. That said, I agree with you that I think Trump opened eyes of many. Particularly in the realm of media coverage and "haves and have nots". He could have done a lot better if he had just a little more discretion, but ahh, hindsight.
Yeah it sucks that trumps brash personality pushed so many people away from him. Unfortunately people don’t realize you can’t fight against establishment politics by being a boy scout. My hope is that republicans will run on the platform that trump gave them and run someone with a little more grace and they should smash future elections.
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So, for all practical purposes the soapbox didn't work (well, it did, but...).
And, for all practical purposes it appears the ballot box didn't work (due to fraud and corruption).
What's that third and final box again?
Ammo box?
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Ammo box?
I'm pricing sailboats.
Smuggling will become lucrative.
Ammo box.
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I'm pricing sailboats.
Smuggling will become lucrative.
Ammo box.
Been seeing going rate for 7.62x39. Tempted to sell some. Maybe an AK as well. . . 8)
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Yeah it sucks that trumps brash personality pushed so many people away from him. Unfortunately people don’t realize you can’t fight against establishment politics by being a boy scout. My hope is that republicans will run on the platform that trump gave them and run someone with a little more grace and they should smash future elections.
Very true. Sadly, I think many who would or could run probably think "eff this, totally not worth it".
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Very true. Sadly, I think many who would or could run probably think "eff this, totally not worth it".
that's why we got garbage like AOC, and the "squad" and our local leaders....there's better opportunities for talented people outside civil service. What we need are talented people who have nothing to lose, the motivation and stoch for politics i.e. Pres Trump.
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that's why we got garbage like AOC, and the "squad" and our local leaders....there's better opportunities for talented people outside civil service. What we need are talented people who have nothing to lose, the motivation and stoch for politics i.e. Pres Trump.
How DARE you talk about your babe like that? :rofl:
But yeah, I agree with you. Too many Stanley Effing Changs and Doug Take It on the Chins holding office.
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Very true. Sadly, I think many who would or could run probably think "eff this, totally not worth it".
people who are smart/ethical enough that we would want them in office are too smart/ethical to seek office
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people who are smart/ethical enough that we would want them in office are too smart/ethical to seek office
You win!
The most profound comment on this thread!
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My wife asked me if I'd ever consider running for public office.
I told her I wouldn't be able to unless I have my scruples surgically removed. :geekdanc:
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Sometimes you've become so smart, you out smart yourself
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Yeah it sucks that trumps brash personality pushed so many people away from him. Unfortunately people don’t realize you can’t fight against establishment politics by being a boy scout. My hope is that republicans will run on the platform that trump gave them and run someone with a little more grace and they should smash future elections.
Yeah, like who? You think "polite" Mike Pence will get 56,000 people to show up in the cold in middle of nowhere Pennsylvania? Trump's "personality" may be one of the top attractants to those who are sick and tired of bullshit polit-talk. Mike Pence and his ilk ain't gonna "smash" nothing.
This is a fucking war. Nice guys ain't gonna cut it. When are Republicans ever gonna figure that out? There were what, 15 other "nice" guys "with a little more grace" in the primaries in 2016, and "brash" Trump beat them all handily. You think that's a handicap and not a feature? You gonna try and tiptoe some line that won't "offend" anyone? Good luck finding that line and someone who comes across as real and will walk it.
What's the "nice, graceful" spiel on Democrat and government bureaucracy fraud and corruption and the attempted coup of the presidency? You mean like the graceful "outrage" by many of the Congressional Republicans against the social media obvious bias and shutting down of "conservative" voices? And then they don't do an damned single thing to actually remedy the situation? Yeah, that's real "nice"... that's real "graceful"... and nothing changes. At all. Fuck that shit.
But I'm open to hearing your concrete plan. Name names. Name policies. Name what is and isn't allowed to be said.
Give me three examples of statements from Trump that are unacceptably "brash" to you, and the give us those three transformed into "graceful" versions.
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people who are smart/ethical enough that we would want them in office are too smart/ethical to seek office
Yeah? Their "smartness" and "ethics" override any duty or responsibility they might have to serve the community and their fellow citizens? Or their "smartness" and "ethics" require them to not seek office? Good to know.
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Yeah, like who? You think "polite" Mike Pence will get 56,000 people to show up in the cold in middle of nowhere Pennsylvania? Trump's "personality" may be one of the top attractants to those who are sick and tired of bullshit polit-talk. Mike Pence and his ilk ain't gonna "smash" nothing.
This a fucking war. Nice guys ain't gonna cut it. When are Republicans ever gonna figure that out? There were what, 15 other "nice" guys "with a little more grace" in the primaries in 2016, and "brash" Trump beat them all handily. You think that's a handicap and not a feature? You gonna try and tiptoe some line that won't "offend" anyone? Good luck finding that line and someone who comes across as real and will walk it.
What's the "nice, graceful" spiel on Democrat and government bureaucracy fraud and corruption and the attempted coup of the presidency? You mean like the graceful "outrage" by many of the Congressional Republicans against the social media obvious bias and shutting down of "conservative" voices? And then they don't do an damned single thing to actually remedy the situation? Yeah, that's real "nice"... that's real "graceful"... and nothing changes. At all. Fuck that shit.
But I'm open to hearing your concrete plan. Name names. Name policies. Name what is and isn't allowed to be said.
Maybe it is the catchment water we drink.
My political philosophy is set the house on
fire and shoot everybody that comes out.
But I was born and raised in SE Los Angeles
county.
I despise Democrats and I don't like Republicans.
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Trump created his brand in part with "The Apprentice." He quickly became a reality show celebrity with that iconic, "You're FIRED!"
That's what I BELIEVE people expected from him when he first ran, and that's what he gave us. You can't be a chief executive of anything and be polite or unoffensive. You have a job to get done, and niceties as a course of normalcy takes too much time and energy. You save polite for the state dinners and when talking to friends and family who aren't looking to stab you in the back regardless of whether or not you hand out nasty nicknames to the people you don't like.
This election is turning into an episode of that TV show. Trump was team leader, and he and Biden are now in the board room. Trump is being objective (okay, embellishing it here or there) about his performance and that of Biden, but Biden is blaming Trump for everything including Jim Crow laws, Hitler's rise to power and the Lindburgh kidnapping -- anything to push Trump down and save his own worthless hide. All Joe has is "PANDEMIC!" and "MEANIE!"
I really hope we hear, "Joe. You're fired!" :popcorn:
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Maybe it is the catchment water we drink.
My political philosophy is set the house on
fire and shoot everybody that comes out.
But I was born and raised in SE Los Angeles
county.
I despise Democrats and I don't like Republicans.
You like Libertarians? Greens? "Independents"? Etc.
May I presume you don't vote?
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What’s everyone’s opinion about this shit show we have going on?
I found it strange that all the Democrat led states stopped counting and when they resumed all votes were for Biden.
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Not the most perfect election but I see no corruption or fraud. Its just Trump being trump. He doesn't want to lose. Theres no cheating. Its just that he is unpopular because of who he is and how he acts.
The stopped courting thing is because they started to count mail in ballots, which are majority democrat votes because trump spent the last few months attacking mail in voting...
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Not the most perfect election but I see no corruption or fraud. Its just Trump being trump. He doesn't want to lose. Theres no cheating. Its just that he is unpopular because of who he is and how he acts.
I see no gravity, yet the evidence of it is more than adequate to deduce it exists.
More than enough evidence the counts are being rigged. if not, why bar Republicans from key processing locations in the remaining states up for grabs?
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I see no gravity, yet the evidence of it is more than adequate to deduce it exists.
More than enough evidence the counts are being rigged. if not, why bar Republicans from key processing locations in the remaining states up for grabs?
There are both democrats and republicans in polling centers, along with international monitors. What they don't want is a bunch of idiots breathing on the necks of the poll workers and threatening them. (aka the screaming guy outside who says this is all rigged and a conspiracy is not the best person to be inside the poling station)
Trump supports are acting like morons tbh. Arizona they are outside demanding they count all the ballots while in Pennsylvania they are screaming stop counting...You cant even make this shit up on SNL.
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You like Libertarians? Greens? "Independents"? Etc.
May I presume you don't vote?
I reluctantly have voted for Republicans for the last 46 years.
And probably will continue to do so. I always vote.
I'm a Libertarian that believes in a "Shock and Awe"
national defense.
So there is no party for me.
Like everything in life you compromise.
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I found it strange that all the Democrat led states stopped counting and when they resumed all votes were for Biden.
I might say you are more than a little naive about democrats and fraud. They were first publically exposed in the 1960 election and have been at it ever since.
They are getting more brazen now they know there is little real opposition to them doing it. The spineless Republican response is why so many of us do not identify with that party now.
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Use this post
https://2ahawaii.com/index.php?topic=38675.0
This way we don't have to go back and forth replying.
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Not the most perfect election but I see no corruption or fraud. Its just Trump being trump. He doesn't want to lose. Theres no cheating. Its just that he is unpopular because of who he is and how he acts.
The stopped courting thing is because they started to count mail in ballots, which are majority democrat votes because trump spent the last few months attacking mail in voting...
No cheating because no one was convicted of cheating. So doesn't happen.
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No cheating because no one was convicted of cheating. So doesn't happen.
Didn't even need to be convicted, there's no EVIDENCE of cheating. Can't even make it to court. Trump went to court with 0 proof. The judge tossed the case. IF there was massive fraud you think there would be some evidence and trump would go to court with that evidence.
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Trump created his brand in part with "The Apprentice." He quickly became a reality show celebrity with that iconic, "You're FIRED!"
That's what I BELIEVE people expected from him when he first ran, and that's what he gave us. You can't be a chief executive of anything and be polite or unoffensive. You have a job to get done, and niceties as a course of normalcy takes too much time and energy. You save polite for the state dinners and when talking to friends and family who aren't looking to stab you in the back regardless of whether or not you hand out nasty nicknames to the people you don't like.
This election is turning into an episode of that TV show. Trump was team leader, and he and Biden are now in the board room. Trump is being objective (okay, embellishing it here or there) about his performance and that of Biden, but Biden is blaming Trump for everything including Jim Crow laws, Hitler's rise to power and the Lindburgh kidnapping -- anything to push Trump down and save his own worthless hide. All Joe has is "PANDEMIC!" and "MEANIE!"
I really hope we hear, "Joe. You're fired!" :popcorn:
There are a few vids out there where Trump visited the hospitals after an active shooting. And comments from the peoples families were along the lines of "he's a lot nicer and sincere than the media makes him out to be. I was shocked". Of course clip never aired again and YT scubs lots of them, like how they scrub as best they can antifa assaults.
On a side note, the president of the WHO (China) is saying Hitler was a better person than Trump is. Same China who keeps Taiwan out from the WHO Covid numbers, so I have to use Taiwanese websites to get their totals.
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Not the most perfect election but I see no corruption or fraud. Its just Trump being trump. He doesn't want to lose. Theres no cheating. Its just that he is unpopular because of who he is and how he acts.
The stopped courting thing is because they started to count mail in ballots, which are majority democrat votes because trump spent the last few months attacking mail in voting...
That's an opinion, not a fact. Whether or not Trump "attacked" mail-in voting is a matter of opinion. What is a fact is Democrats were frightened into requesting mail-in ballots in states that were not going to send out bulk ballots based on voter roles. Republicans were more frightened of voter fraud and Post Office incompetence, both documented possibilities, keeping their vote from arriving and being counted.
They stopped counting because they saw Biden having not enough outstanding ballots to win. So, in Detroit, Michigan, for example, they pulled a 2000 Election ploy. They said the were quitting counting at 2:00am, and they would resume at 10:00am. That's 8 hours to give counters adequate sleep to start again. Then, at 3:30am, vans starting arriving with boxes of ballots. Also, the workers were being allowed in without any security. No ID check, no list of authorized people in the counting area, no check of large coolers, bags, or suitcases being wheeled into the counting room.
By 8:00AM, 2 hours before they SAID they would be counting more ballots, numbers were updated to show a massive reduction in Trump's lead. How does that happen when the counting was still paused for 2 more hours? Where did all the ballots arriving while the workers were supposed to be at home come from? Why were there individuals dropping of boxes of ballots in the wee hours with no escort, no oversight, and no apparent restrictions? They just walked the ballots into the counting area, and they could have been from anywhere and from anyone. Total lack of control over a process that is responsible for choosing our president, vp, and state and local leaders and law makers.
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There are both democrats and republicans in polling centers, along with international monitors. What they don't want is a bunch of idiots breathing on the necks of the poll workers and threatening them. (aka the screaming guy outside who says this is all rigged and a conspiracy is not the best person to be inside the poling station)
Trump supports are acting like morons tbh. Arizona they are outside demanding they count all the ballots while in Pennsylvania they are screaming stop counting...You cant even make this shit up on SNL.
Do you even try to watch the news other than Liberal propaganda?
Trump's team just won a victory in court that STOPPED THE COUNTING until Republican count watchers were allowed access.
How could the court decide such a thing if, as you stated, "There are both democrats and republicans in polling centers"?
As for international monitors, they are not there to ensure the integrity of the count. They are merely observers who see only what they are allowed to see. Totally irrelevant.
I find it ironic that someone who just admitted to being scammed out of $100 is calling ANYONE "morons."
The screams to stop in PA was not to stop completely. It was to stop until the Republicans were allowed to monitor the process. But, I don't expect you to know that until someone here tells you. Your news selections seem a bit .... skewed.
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If someone doesn’t have less on, they are a?
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I find it ironic that someone who just admitted to being scammed out of $100 is calling ANYONE "morons."
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Do you even try to watch the news other than Liberal propaganda?
Trump's team just won a victory in court that STOPPED THE COUNTING until Republican count watchers were allowed access.
How could the court decide such a thing if, as you stated, "There are both democrats and republicans in polling centers"?
As for international monitors, they are not there to ensure the integrity of the count. They are merely observers who see only what they are allowed to see. Totally irrelevant.
I find it ironic that someone who just admitted to being scammed out of $100 is calling ANYONE "morons."
The screams to stop in PA was not to stop completely. It was to stop until the Republicans were allowed to monitor the process. But, I don't expect you to know that until someone here tells you. Your news selections seem a bit .... skewed.
There's many many lawsuits, some he won some he lost. Is Fox news, the new face of liberal news?
Yeah I acted "moronic" it happens. I owned up to it. Realize my faults and fixed it. Hope Trump supporters do the same.
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That's an opinion, not a fact. Whether or not Trump "attacked" mail-in voting is a matter of opinion. What is a fact is Democrats were frightened into requesting mail-in ballots in states that were not going to send out bulk ballots based on voter roles. Republicans were more frightened of voter fraud and Post Office incompetence, both documented possibilities, keeping their vote from arriving and being counted.
They stopped counting because they saw Biden having not enough outstanding ballots to win. So, in Detroit, Michigan, for example, they pulled a 2000 Election ploy. They said the were quitting counting at 2:00am, and they would resume at 10:00am. That's 8 hours to give counters adequate sleep to start again. Then, at 3:30am, vans starting arriving with boxes of ballots. Also, the workers were being allowed in without any security. No ID check, no list of authorized people in the counting area, no check of large coolers, bags, or suitcases being wheeled into the counting room.
By 8:00AM, 2 hours before they SAID they would be counting more ballots, numbers were updated to show a massive reduction in Trump's lead. How does that happen when the counting was still paused for 2 more hours? Where did all the ballots arriving while the workers were supposed to be at home come from? Why were there individuals dropping of boxes of ballots in the wee hours with no escort, no oversight, and no apparent restrictions? They just walked the ballots into the counting area, and they could have been from anywhere and from anyone. Total lack of control over a process that is responsible for choosing our president, vp, and state and local leaders and law makers.
That's some conspiracy level stuff here. They have guards, locked the ballots and secured everything. this isn't some slave labor camp, I may be wrong but I believe they are all volunteers. Forcing them to work 24hrs is kind of cruel and without sleep there might be more errors. Do you have any proof for your accusations? Or are they baseless rumors. Even if they brought bags of votes, all ballots of verified it would never work. But sure I can sell you some tin foil for a dollar a sheet.
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That's some conspiracy level stuff here. They have guards, locked the ballots and secured everything. this isn't some slave labor camp, I may be wrong but I believe they are all volunteers. Forcing them to work 24hrs is kind of cruel and without sleep there might be more errors. Do you have any proof for your accusations? Or are they baseless rumors. Even if they brought bags of votes, all ballots of verified it would never work. But sure I can sell you some tin foil for a dollar a sheet.
Who did that? There is video of that NOT happening in Detroit. I posted it already. Go watch it.
In PA, ballots are NOT verified.
Pennsylvania Ballots Can’t Be Thrown Out For
Mismatched Signatures, Court Rules In Blow To GOP
The state Supreme Court ruled that Pennsylvania’s Election Code “does not authorize or
require county election boards to reject absentee or mail-in ballots...based on an analysis
of a voter’s signature.”
I can't tell if you're that ignorant, or simply a disinformation plant for the Democrats. At some point, we have to start assigning malice instead of stupidity. No one can continue to get so many things wrong without stopping to reflect on WHY ... unless it IS intentional.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/alisondurkee/2020/10/23/pennsylvania-ballots-cant-be-thrown-out-for-mismatched-signatures-court-rules-in-blow-to-gop/?sh=49fa67bf4825
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Election turmoil is exposing the fraudsters
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cCx5SFKzVmo
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Election turmoil is exposing the fraudsters
Tim Pool eluded to something similar.
Trump has exposed it all. Even without "courtroom evidence", he's demonstrated they behave exactly as we always suspected, but were always put down by "plausible deniability."
Unfortunately, with Biden in office, his life of government corruption will just be rewarded instead of punished.
Two-tier justice system. We see it on full display. Maybe the next DC outsider can finally make a dent in it.
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Who did that? There is video of that NOT happening in Detroit. I posted it already. Go watch it.
In PA, ballots are NOT verified.
Pennsylvania Ballots Can’t Be Thrown Out For
Mismatched Signatures, Court Rules In Blow To GOP
I can't tell if you're that ignorant, or simply a disinformation plant for the Democrats. At some point, we have to start assigning malice instead of stupidity. No one can continue to get so many things wrong without stopping to reflect on WHY ... unless it IS intentional.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/alisondurkee/2020/10/23/pennsylvania-ballots-cant-be-thrown-out-for-mismatched-signatures-court-rules-in-blow-to-gop/?sh=49fa67bf4825
Hmmm maybe I'm thinking of a different state. Maybe Arizona or Nevada that required being verified.
Doesn't really matter Biden going to win without Pennsylvania.
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Check out these videos from Sid Roth's guests prophesying about Trump winning this thing.
6 days ago
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HIKOXyxlhag
22 hours ago
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wry104zCQuk
2 hours ago
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mc6qsI5bYts
I am going out on a limb, believing and standing on this in faith.
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We've got until Dec 8th to get it all resolved and it will take every day of it
The Electoral College in 2020
The following is a summary of how the Electoral College will work in the 2020 presidential election:
Spring and Summer 2020: Nomination of Electors. The political parties in each state nominate their electors. Parties and states have different ways of going about this, but a party's presidential electors are generally loyal or consistent party members. The parties want to be sure they can rely on their electors to cast their votes for the party's nominee for president.
Nov. 3, 2020: Election Day, when voters in each state will select their presidential electors. The names of electors are not on the ballot in most states. Rather, when a voter casts a vote for a presidential candidate, s/he is also casting a vote for the electors already selected by the party of that candidate. If a majority of voters in a state vote for the Republican candidate for president, the Republican slate of electors is elected. If a majority vote for the Democratic candidate, the Democratic slate of electors is chosen.
Dec. 8, 2020: Deadline for Resolving Election Disputes. All state recounts and court contests over presidential election results must be completed by this date. (3 U.S.C. § 5). For the majority of states the date of certification is the same as for all contests, but in eight states there is a deadline that either directly references 3 USC §5 or uses similar language, requiring that disputes surrounding the selection of presidential electors be resolved in time to meet the “safe harbor” deadline: Indiana, Iowa, New Jersey, North Carolina, Ohio, Tennessee, Texas and Virginia. For detailed information on state post-election processes, please visit this page.
Dec. 14, 2020: Meeting of the Electors. The electors meet in each state and cast their ballots for president and vice president. Each elector votes on his or her own ballot and signs it. The ballots are immediately transmitted to various people: one copy goes to the president of the U.S. Senate (who is also the vice president of the United States); this is the copy that will be officially counted later. Other copies go to the state's secretary of state, the National Archives and Records Administration, and the presiding judge in the district where the electors meet (this serves as a backup copy that would replace the official copy sent to the president of the Senate if it is lost or destroyed).
Dec. 23, 2020: Deadline for Receipt of Ballots. The electors' ballots from all states must be received by the president of the Senate by this date. There is no penalty for missing this deadline.
Jan. 6, 2021: Counting of the Electoral Ballots. The U.S. Congress meets in joint session to count the electoral votes.
Jan. 20, 2021: Inauguration Day. The president-elect becomes the president of the United States.
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Omnigun is deliberately spreading disinfo. The message is clear and consistent establishment narrative: everything is fine, so do not believe your own lyinʻ eyes.
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Omnigun is deliberately spreading disinfo. The message is clear and consistent establishment narrative: everything is fine, so do not believe your own lyinʻ eyes.
I am not. If everyone here was correct. Why is it not in court? Trump would never hold back evidence of fraud in court. Simple as that.
If I can't convince anyone of that idk what I can do. I'm trying to fight fake news. And Trump is currently saying alot of it.
Republicans need to focus on keeping the senate everything comes down to Georgia and its two seats.
We need the senate to keep our gun rights. Keep socialism out.
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I am not. If everyone here was correct. Why is it not in court? Trump would never hold back evidence of fraud in court. Simple as that.
Courts are never corrupt? Say it ain’t so...
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Courts are never corrupt? Say it ain’t so...
They are the least corrupt and we need to believe them to have a society. If you don't believe in the courts why believe in anything.
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Christians need to repent, get on their knees and pray for God's deliverance of our country.
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They are the least corrupt and we need to believe them to have a society. If you don't believe in the courts why believe in anything.
great advice / perspective from an IT SME who got scammed from a bot.
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Christians need to repent, get on their knees and pray for God's deliverance of our country.
I agree with you but,
it is with much wailing and Gnashing of teeth
to get me to pray for a Democrat,
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I agree with you but,
it is with much wailing and Gnashing of teeth
to get me to pray for a Democrat,
I believe that God is still going to let Trump win this thing.
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Hmmm maybe I'm thinking of a different state. Maybe Arizona or Nevada that required being verified.
Doesn't really matter Biden going to win without Pennsylvania.
Excuse me, but it matters greatly. You made a statement of fact which was just proven to be false.
This is not acceptable. You throw out fake "facts" and then gloss over (or ignore) when being called out for it.
I'm not looking for an apology. What I am looking for is an admission that you posted bullshit based on no real facts to argue against provable, evidence-based information.
That puts you squarely in the camp of "disinformation." You either stop doing this, or the "call outs" when you do it are going to be even more unpleasant -- for everyone reading, but especially you.
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great advice / perspective from an IT SME who got scammed from a bot.
Was a person who used a bot and it wasn't a vulnerability in the system.
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I agree with you but,
it is with much wailing and Gnashing of teeth
to get me to pray for a Democrat,
I pray for Democrats all the time.
WHAT I pray for them, you'll have to use your imagination.
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Excuse me, but it matters greatly. You made a statement of fact which was just proven to be false.
This is not acceptable. You throw out fake "facts" and then gloss over (or ignore) when being called out for it.
I'm not looking for an apology. What I am looking for is an admission that you posted bullshit based on no real facts to argue against provable, evidence-based information.
That puts you squarely in the camp of "disinformation." You either stop doing this, or the "call outs" when you do it are going to be even more unpleasant -- for everyone reading, but especially you.
I'm not apologizing. There's alot of fake news and confusion. I'm not perfect but I will call stuff out. Questioning each other is good.
Facts tend to prevail. You are correct on that one court order but that's not the only verification step. They have to be registered. You can't make people up and stuff ballots.
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They are the least corrupt and we need to believe them to have a society. If you don't believe in the courts why believe in anything.
Uh, what basis do you have for that assertion?
You believe in courts? Or you put your trust in the courts and court system?
Depending on the court, many times you are putting the decision in the "hands" of individuals. Look up litigation via arbitration, mediation, etc prior to going to jury. In the end it's all humans. . .
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great advice / perspective from an IT SME who got scammed from a bot.
Bazinga
Harsh, but Bazinga
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They are the least corrupt and we need to believe them to have a society. If you don't believe in the courts why believe in anything.
I really can't believe you're still making statements that are disguised as facts, but are really just your opinion based on NO EVIDENCE.
5 Corrupt Judges & The Countless Lives They Tried To Destroy
We'd like to think our justices and judges are defined by respect, duty and impartiality.
But behind that iconic black robe isn't always a tireless drive to uphold the Constitution
and laws of the United States. Some of the most revered judges are worse than the
criminals they should be sentencing. Below we examine five corrupt judges who will
make you question your faith in the legal system.
I worked for a man whose son and daughter were both victims of Hampton, Virginia's corrupt justice system. From the Cops to the lawyers to the judges, they were all as crooked as sin.
Don't tell me -- this is a "feeling" you had.
https://www.investigationdiscovery.com/crimefeed/bad-behavior/5-corrupt-judges-the-countless-lives-they-tried-to-destroy
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I agree with you but,
it is with much wailing and Gnashing of teeth
to get me to pray for a Democrat,
"Everything you say before 'but' his horseshit" - Great Eddard Stark
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I really can't believe you're still making statements that are disguised as facts, but are really just your opinion based on NO EVIDENCE.
5 Corrupt Judges & The Countless Lives They Tried To Destroy
I worked for a man whose son and daughter were both victims of Hampton, Virginia's corrupt justice system. From the Cops to the lawyers to the judges, they were all as crooked as sin.
Don't tell me -- this is a "feeling" you had.
https://www.investigationdiscovery.com/crimefeed/bad-behavior/5-corrupt-judges-the-countless-lives-they-tried-to-destroy
No, no , no. . . They are THE least corrupt. . .
I have spoken. . .
:rofl:
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I'm not apologizing. There's alot of fake news and confusion. I'm not perfect but I will call stuff out. Questioning each other is good.
Facts tend to prevail. You are correct on that one court order but that's not the only verification step. They have to be registered. You can't make people up and stuff ballots.
Are you really going to argue that a signature that doesn't match is of no concern, because the ballot belonged to a registered voter at some point ... maybe even before the registered voter DIED?
Hallelujah! Another Democrat has arisen to cast his vote!
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Are you really going to argue that a signature that doesn't match is of no concern, because the ballot belonged to a registered voter at some point ... maybe even before the registered voter DIED?
Hallelujah! Another Democrat has arisen to cast his vote!
It's a concern I personally don't agree with it and it should be fixed. But saying there's is no verification is fake news. It may be more loose but it exists.
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It's a concern I personally don't agree with it and it should be fixed. But saying there's is no verification is fake news. It may be more loose but it exists.
Without knowing who cast that ballot, there is no verification process.
Elections have 4 parts:
1) Voter registration -- make sure they can legally vote in that jurisdiction.
2) Voter identification -- make sure the person casting the ballot is the same as the registered voter on record.
3) Ballot submission -- ensure only official ballots are submitted, they came from the voter above, the ballots are properly completed and are received by the deadline.
4) Audit and count the ballots to ensure they are valid. Most ballots have serial numbers for tracking.Ensure the number is associated with a registered and verified voter. Ensure it arrived on time. Ensure it's properly completed and, if mailed-in, has a proper signature that MATCHES the signature on file.
If any one of those parts is circumvented or not enforced, there IS NO VALIDATION OR VERIFICATION being done.
Calling something "fake news" is not an argument, Mr. Disinformation.
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There's been talk about the watermark.
Not sure if it's true or more conspiracy.
Crazy the count is taking this long though.
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I reluctantly have voted for Republicans for the last 46 years.
And probably will continue to do so. I always vote.
I'm a Libertarian that believes in a "Shock and Awe"
national defense.
So there is no party for me.
Like everything in life you compromise.
Good to know there is "no party" for you after saying you're a Libertarian, because their official party positions include no barrier to migration (i.e. "open borders"), no death penalty, abortion (including "partial birth" abortion) are matters of "personal conscience, etc. I have many values that coincide with some of the Libertarian positions. Charles C.W. Cooke wrote a book titled "Conservatarian" that co-mingles the personal liberty and freedom of the Libertarian values with conservative values. Good read.
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Without knowing who cast that ballot, there is no verification process.
Elections have 4 parts:
1) Voter registration -- make sure they can legally vote in that jurisdiction.
2) Voter identification -- make sure the person casting the ballot is the same as the registered voter on record.
3) Ballot submission -- ensure only official ballots are submitted, they came from the voter above, the ballots are properly completed and are received by the deadline.
4) Audit and count the ballots to ensure they are valid. Most ballots have serial numbers for tracking.Ensure the number is associated with a registered and verified voter. Ensure it arrived on time. Ensure it's properly completed and, if mailed-in, has a proper signature that MATCHES the signature on file.
If any one of those parts is circumvented or not enforced, there IS NO VALIDATION OR VERIFICATION being done.
Calling something "fake news" is not an argument, Mr. Disinformation.
The only way they can fraud is if they steal ballots. They don't know who is registered and voted to do fake ballots. I doubt they can perfectly reproduce the paper or envelopes. Not in secret atleast on the scale they need to.
It's a very low risk. For a low reward not worth going to jail. They would have to have a major operation to scale. One guy frauding a few ballots does not change a election. I can be wrong but calling it easy fraud and that is happening is fake news. There is no evidence of any fraud is happening. Just because it theoretically can happen. Doesn't mean it is.
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the biggest issue for me is how did a person who has lied, plagiarized and told the American people that he has done dumb things and will do dumb things again is here 40 years later. Are we that dumb as American People? I believe so, because we are seeing his statement that he is doing a dumb thing again at this election. If he becomes President this will be the person that will represent America across the world. A person who has used his position of power to enrich himself and his family. He wants that big fat golden parachute.
Trump doesn't need one - he made one before his entrance into politics.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LYs5HMky1qY
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The only way they can fraud is if they steal ballots. They don't know who is registered to do fake ballots. I doubt they can perfectly reproduce the paper or envelopes. Not in secret atleast on the scale they need to.
It's a very low risk. Low reward not worth going to jail. I can be wrong but calling it easy fraud and that is happening is fake news. There is no evidence of any fraud is happening. Just because it theoretically can happen. Doesn't mean it is.
you are very naive - that I can prove to the tune of $100.
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The only way they can fraud is if they steal ballots. They don't know who is registered to do fake ballots. I doubt they can perfectly reproduce the paper or envelopes. Not in secret atleast on the scale they need to.
It's a very low risk. Low reward not worth going to jail. I can be wrong but calling it easy fraud and that is happening is fake news. There is no evidence of any fraud is happening. Just because it theoretically can happen. Doesn't mean it is.
You might want to delete that post Omni.
One, I don’t think you thought that through.
Two, You’re gonna get lit up on that one.
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You might want to delete that post Omni.
One, I don’t think you thought that through.
Two, You’re gonna get lit up on that one.
I'm trying to bring some balance to this conversation. All these hypothetical ways of fraud but zero evidence it is taking place. I'm all for being careful. But saying something is happening when it isn't is fake news.
Edited to hopefully cause less confusion.
TLDR no evidence of fraud that i can find that had been taken to court and the Trump campaign had been searching for any evidence to take to court and they haven't brought anything up.
We really need to focus on the senate. That's the key to keeping socialism out.
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We deserve the govt we elect and it looks pretty shitty with a Biden / Harris admin. They said it. They will take away your guns and will raise your taxes to pay for free college, healthcare and probably a whole list of other things. So much for the middle class. We will be working for those that don't want to earn anything and the political elite will manage this redistribution of wealth AND labor while taking a percentage cut for themselves in the form of larger govt and slight of hand kickbacks to "non profit" orgs.
I met a person who voted Trump in 2016 but voted Biden this year. Why ? He doesn't like Trump's candor. I asked him about Biden and he said he believes Biden has Alzheimers and will probably not last 2 years into office. He doesn't care about all the other shortcomings of Biden, his corruption, the lies, it's all because Trump is bad despite all the things he did in less than 4 years compared to career politicians.
The best analogy is the one person who found a cure for all types of cancer in a year and wiped out the existing cancer research industry.
I agree that Trump doesn't have the mannerisms or the "politeness" of what a POTUS should have but I don't see a bright future with a Biden / Harris administration.
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The only way they can fraud is if they steal ballots. They don't know who is registered and voted to do fake ballots. I doubt they can perfectly reproduce the paper or envelopes. Not in secret atleast on the scale they need to.
It's a very low risk. For a low reward not worth going to jail. They would have to have a major operation to scale. One guy frauding a few ballots does not change a election. I can be wrong but calling it easy fraud and that is happening is fake news. There is no evidence of any fraud is happening. Just because it theoretically can happen. Doesn't mean it is.
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I’m talking the only way they can Fraud part........
The fraud report is conspiracy theory at this point. But may not be fake news. The fake news could be that there is no evidence of it.
Stop listening to talking heads and do your own homework.
Or at least dig up some of the conspiracy theories and fact check on your own by independent means if possible.
In the end it is what it is. Winner is the winner. Right, wrong or indifferent.
Did the Government kill Kennedy, or did the Mafia or The Federal Reserve Higher ups contract it? I don’t know but he’s still dead.
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I’m talking the only way they can Fraud part........
The fraud report is conspiracy theory at this point. But may not be fake news. The fake news could be that there is no evidence of it.
Stop listening to talking heads and do your own homework.
Or at least dig up some of the conspiracy theories and fact check on your own by independent means if possible.
In the end it is what it is. Winner is the winner. Right, wrong or indifferent.
Did the Government kill Kennedy, or did the Mafia or The Federal Reserve Higher ups contract it? I don’t know but he’s still dead.
I can't think of a logical way to fraud the system in another method. Do you know of a way I haven't thought of?
A far few conspiracy theories have merit, but to pull one off on this grand scale is near impossible. Its like faking the moon landing. Too many people involved, too many variables.
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The only way they can fraud is if they steal ballots. They don't know who is registered and voted to do fake ballots. I doubt they can perfectly reproduce the paper or envelopes. Not in secret atleast on the scale they need to.
It's a very low risk. For a low reward not worth going to jail. They would have to have a major operation to scale. One guy frauding a few ballots does not change a election. I can be wrong but calling it easy fraud and that is happening is fake news. There is no evidence of any fraud is happening. Just because it theoretically can happen. Doesn't mean it is.
Yeah, there's no way anyone wishing to cause chaos in the election would be able to get anything as closely guarded as voter registration information....
FBI: Iran, Russia obtained voter data to interfere with US elections
https://www.cnet.com/news/fbi-iran-russia-obtained-voter-data-to-interfere-with-us-elections/
Then there are the "ballot harvesters" who, for one thing, go to housing areas where elderly live and either pay them for their ballots, tell them how to sign and fill them out, or just take them without paying.
And there are reports of STACKS of ballots in trash cans in apartment complexes where the common mailbox area is. Just scoop and vote ... many times.
A woman on the news said she arrived to vote at the polling place, and they would not let her because the computer said she'd already voted.
If every Republican in Hawaii that voted for Trump was able to find a way to vote just once more in the state, the total would have been 372, 838 for Trump. Biden had 355,226.
But, hey. That's just one person voting one extra time, right?
Not a smidgeon of fraud.
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Yeah, there's no way anyone wishing to cause chaos in the election would be able to get anything as closely guarded as voter registration information....
FBI: Iran, Russia obtained voter data to interfere with US elections
https://www.cnet.com/news/fbi-iran-russia-obtained-voter-data-to-interfere-with-us-elections/
Then there are the "ballot harvesters" who, for one thing, go to housing areas where elderly live and either pay them for their ballots, tell them how to sign and fill them out, or just take them without paying.
And there are reports of STACKS of ballots in trash cans in apartment complexes where the common mailbox area is. Just scoop and vote ... many times.
A woman on the news said she arrived to vote at the polling place, and they would not let her because the computer said she'd already voted.
If every Republican in Hawaii that voted for Trump was able to find a way to vote just once more in the state, the total would have been 372, 838 for Trump. Biden had 355,226.
But, hey. That's just one person voting one extra time, right?
Not a smidgeon of fraud.
One women. Yes clearly even if we ignore the fact of no evidence but what she said happened. It clearly must be wide spread. There would be hundreds of that women reporting. Stealing the list doesn't mean they can tell who voted already. That's only half the equation. There would be many thousands of errors. The election system is not that easy to fake....
As for the stacks of ballots. Your local best buy has shelves of tvs. What's stopping you from stealing one? Maybe it's the fact you can go to jail?
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Yeah, like who? You think "polite" Mike Pence will get 56,000 people to show up in the cold in middle of nowhere Pennsylvania? Trump's "personality" may be one of the top attractants to those who are sick and tired of bullshit polit-talk. Mike Pence and his ilk ain't gonna "smash" nothing.
This is a fucking war. Nice guys ain't gonna cut it. When are Republicans ever gonna figure that out? There were what, 15 other "nice" guys "with a little more grace" in the primaries in 2016, and "brash" Trump beat them all handily. You think that's a handicap and not a feature? You gonna try and tiptoe some line that won't "offend" anyone? Good luck finding that line and someone who comes across as real and will walk it.
What's the "nice, graceful" spiel on Democrat and government bureaucracy fraud and corruption and the attempted coup of the presidency? You mean like the graceful "outrage" by many of the Congressional Republicans against the social media obvious bias and shutting down of "conservative" voices? And then they don't do an damned single thing to actually remedy the situation? Yeah, that's real "nice"... that's real "graceful"... and nothing changes. At all. Fuck that shit.
But I'm open to hearing your concrete plan. Name names. Name policies. Name what is and isn't allowed to be said.
Give me three examples of statements from Trump that are unacceptably "brash" to you, and the give us those three transformed into "graceful" versions.
Dude, you gotta relax lol. I understand your frustrated hell so am I. I’m tired of the establishment politics and that’s why trump is my guy. I agree with you that you need someone like Trump to fight these people, that’s why in my comment that you replied to literally says “to fight that establishment you can’t be a Boy Scout.” The problem is that the results speak for themselves. 72+ million people voted for Joe Biden so far. You think they voted for him because of his policy? No, they hate trump. It’s because of the way that he carries himself. Like I said earlier Trump has already won by opening our eyes to the Bull shit. Do you think we Republicans would ever vote for some weak pussy Republican ever again? I know I won’t.
If you want a name, I like Dan Crenshaw. Very smart, articulate, and a warrior.
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Fuck looks like trump will lose PA. 90% reporting and he only has a 24,000 lead.
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Yeah, like who? You think "polite" Mike Pence will get 56,000 people to show up in the cold in middle of nowhere Pennsylvania? Trump's "personality" may be one of the top attractants to those who are sick and tired of bullshit polit-talk. Mike Pence and his ilk ain't gonna "smash" nothing.
This is a fucking war. Nice guys ain't gonna cut it. When are Republicans ever gonna figure that out? There were what, 15 other "nice" guys "with a little more grace" in the primaries in 2016, and "brash" Trump beat them all handily. You think that's a handicap and not a feature? You gonna try and tiptoe some line that won't "offend" anyone? Good luck finding that line and someone who comes across as real and will walk it.
What's the "nice, graceful" spiel on Democrat and government bureaucracy fraud and corruption and the attempted coup of the presidency? You mean like the graceful "outrage" by many of the Congressional Republicans against the social media obvious bias and shutting down of "conservative" voices? And then they don't do an damned single thing to actually remedy the situation? Yeah, that's real "nice"... that's real "graceful"... and nothing changes. At all. Fuck that shit.
But I'm open to hearing your concrete plan. Name names. Name policies. Name what is and isn't allowed to be said.
Give me three examples of statements from Trump that are unacceptably "brash" to you, and the give us those three transformed into "graceful" versions.
I would vote for Mike pence over Biden or Trump. Trump should of just been VP.
I love people who are not politically correct don't get me wrong. But Trump is too much. He tells lies like no others. Distracts from his errors and is self centered. He has no real policy. No real leadership. He did good things but unfortunately he did more bad. I voted for him in 2016 and I don't really regret it but I will never vote for him again. America has lost its standing in the world because of him.
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Fuck looks like trump will lose PA. 90% reporting and he only has a 24,000 lead.
Yeah and Georgia is tipping. Everyone needs to get over Trump loss and save the senate. That's the real power.
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Yeah and Georgia is tipping. Everyone needs to get over Trump loss and save the senate. That's the real power.
Did everyone "get over" Hildabeast losing?
I remember seeing cars and buildings burning and being spray painted and windows smashed.
If the Dems hadn't changed so many rules ahead of the election and dropped off ballots at 4am and started counts 3-4 hours before they said they would, etc, etc., maybe "get over it" would not ring hollow. When the other side so obviously cheated and changed rules that damaged our trust in the election system, we'd be irresponsible to just "get over it." This type of election rigging by the media -- including social media and Google -- can't be tolerated, or the country is destined to become another banana republic under a socialist regime.
I'm not prepared to "get over it" when the stakes are so high.
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https://youtu.be/tvKuQefojvQ
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No election interference at all. Not a smidgeon of impropriety.
https://youtu.be/a9JwibjEMcw
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https://youtu.be/04N1Rtd1ezM
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https://youtu.be/9DxQB3f2dZI
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Omnigun is deliberately spreading disinfo. The message is clear and consistent establishment narrative: everything is fine, so do not believe your own lyinʻ eyes.
Block the little pissant, he is a blatant liberal troll.
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Posts 2 postal workers that got arrested and charged. Probably affecting 100 votes. That's not wide spread coordinated fraud to steal the election by democrats. Face it this election isn't perfect but it's one of the smoother ones recently.
Find me widespread voter fraud by the democrats to steal the election. And I will charge my mind.
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I'm trying to bring some balance to this conversation.
You are a disinfo agent peddling lies. You probably never touched a gun in your life. .
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You are a disinfo agent peddling lies. You probably never touched a gun in your life. .
I own many, I exist in real life. If you want to meet and talk in real life at the range I can do that. I just care about this community and guns in my own way. I am not a republican. Nor am I liberal. I just don't drink the Trump kool-aid.
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I own many, I exist in real life. If you want to meet and talk in real life at the range I can do that. I just care about this community and guns in my own way. I am not a republican. Nor am I liberal. O just don't drink the Trump kool-aid.
When Biden tries to pass the executive order banning semi autos you will most likely say something like "Aw cmon guys, we didn't really need those anyway."
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Posts 2 postal workers that got arrested and charged. Probably affecting 100 votes. That's not wide spread coordinated fraud to steal the election by democrats. Face it this election isn't perfect but it's one of the smoother ones recently.
Find me widespread voter fraud by the democrats to steal the election. And I will charge my mind.
If I showed you 100 cases, you'd ask for 1000. If I gave you 1000, you'd want 5000. No matter how many cases are uncovered, you'll refuse to accept that the total number is so much more than just the ones we find out about.
I have a list of 20,000 fraudulent votes found in Detroit Michigan, complete with the names, addresses and drivers license info used on the registrations.
All I need from you is an email address to send it to, and a PayPal payment of $100.00. :thumbsup:
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Omnigun is most likely a paid troll who is here to manipulate the narrative, or at lest get in the way of any sort of productive conversation. His talking points are straight DNC propaganda.
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You are a disinfo agent peddling lies. You probably never touched a gun in your life. .
he's touched guns before i can swear to that
the bullseye on a target, well...
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If I showed you 100 cases, you'd ask for 1000. If I gave you 1000, you'd want 5000. No matter how many cases are uncovered, you'll refuse to accept that the total number is so much more than just the ones we find out about.
I have a list of 20,000 fraudulent votes found in Detroit Michigan, complete with the names, addresses and drivers license info used on the registrations.
All I need from you is an email address to send it to, and a PayPal payment of $100.00. :thumbsup:
Block the little peckersniffer, he/she is clearly here to troll and cause dissension.
They are all over the place the last few months, most probably paid and/or encouraged by Soros groups.
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he's touched guns before i can swear to that
Define "guns"
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When Biden tries to pass the executive order banning semi autos you will most likely say something like "Aw cmon guys, we didn't really need those anyway."
No way. I will never give up my semi autos. I don't think you can even do that with an executive order. Notice all my "liberal" leanings are not towards guns. Just because I'm not a republican doesn't mean I can't like guns....
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Posts 2 postal workers that got arrested and charged. Probably affecting 100 votes. That's not wide spread coordinated fraud to steal the election by democrats. Face it this election isn't perfect but it's one of the smoother ones recently.
Find me widespread voter fraud by the democrats to steal the election. And I will charge my mind.
When the water mark gets exposed, well see how widespread the fraud actually is
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Posts 2 postal workers that got arrested and charged. Probably affecting 100 votes. That's not wide spread coordinated fraud to steal the election by democrats. Face it this election isn't perfect but it's one of the smoother ones recently.
Find me widespread voter fraud by the democrats to steal the election. And I will charge my mind.
I think it's pretty obvious to all that your mind won't accept a charge.
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No way. I will never give up my semi autos. I don't think you can even do that with an executive order. Notice all my "liberal" leanings are not towards guns. Just because I'm not a republican doesn't mean I can't like guns....
Sure. I bet you won't.
Did you give up a bumpstock? Would you have given one up if you had had one?
Are all your pistol mags 10 rounds or less? Why?
Do you possess a suppresser? Why not?
Do you own a commercially manufactured home defense "short barreled" shotgun? Why not?
Etc.
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Block the little peckersniffer, he/she is clearly here to troll and cause dissension.
They are all over the place the last few months, most probably paid and/or encouraged by Soros groups.
Yeah, I'm starting to distrust his little "I got scammed" story. Seems like a ploy to infiltrate and appear to be a regular, albeit ignorant and arrogant, member.
And by member, I mean dick.
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No way. I will never give up my semi autos. I don't think you can even do that with an executive order. Notice all my "liberal" leanings are not towards guns. Just because I'm not a republican doesn't mean I can't like guns....
Fucked-up ideology and owns firearms.
What could possibly go wrong? :crazy:
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Posts 2 postal workers that got arrested and charged. Probably affecting 100 votes. That's not wide spread coordinated fraud to steal the election by democrats. Face it this election isn't perfect but it's one of the smoother ones recently.
Find me widespread voter fraud by the democrats to steal the election. And I will charge my mind.
If the Post Office has these kinds of people working there, how hard do you imagine it would be for there to be a concerted effort in key states to swipe large numbers of ballots? The mail goes in a truck, truck stops for lunch, truck continues on its way just slightly light of a few hundred ballots.
Lather, rinse, repeat.
The Dems (Soros) spent 34 Billion dollars to defeat Trump. How much of that money do you think it would take to get enough postal workers, elections clerks, public officials and inspectors to lok the other way when ballots start to walk out of the delivery trucks and return to counting centers all filled out for Biden?
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I think it's pretty obvious to all that your mind won't accept a charge.
I've admitted to being wrong many times, I just need proof.
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Sure. I bet you won't.
Did you give up a bumpstock? Would you have given one up if you had had one?
Are all your pistol mags 10 rounds or less? Why?
Do you possess a suppresser? Why not?
Do you own a commercially manufactured home defense "short barreled" shotgun? Why not?
Etc.
Never owned any of those so I can't say I would give it up. There is a big difference between banning sale and government confiscating once legal items.
Legally speaking I only follow the law here so I would do anything legal to never give up my semi autos.
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Worst case scenario: Biden becomes Pres, gets declared incompetent after 2-3 months into it. Kamala becomes 1st US Fem Pres runs for an additional 2 terms, then AOC becomes president. End of story. Oh yeah, after Biden Kamala comes for all your guns and this forum will be done.
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Never owned any of those so I can't say I would give it up. There is a big difference between banning sale and government confiscating legal items.
Legally speaking I only follow the law here so I would do anything legal to never give up my semi autos.
that's not what you said before,,,
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If the Post Office has these kinds of people working there, how hard do you imagine it would be for there to be a concerted effort in key states to swipe large numbers of ballots? The mail goes in a truck, truck stops for lunch, truck continues on its way just slightly light of a few hundred ballots.
Lather, rinse, repeat.
The Dems (Soros) spent 34 Billion dollars to defeat Trump. How much of that money do you think it would take to get enough postal workers, elections clerks, public officials and inspectors to lok the other way when ballots start to walk out of the delivery trucks and return to counting centers all filled out for Biden?
And one fuckup puts 100's of people in jail? If you can't keep a crime organization (gangs and cartels) with the threat of death together without any leaks what makes you think you can keep a bunch of political people together in a major criminal organization.
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that's not what you said before,,,
I elaborated on my stance.
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And one fuckup puts 100's of people in jail? If you can't keep a crime organization (gangs and cartels) with the threat of death together without any leaks what makes you think you can keep a bunch of political people together in a major criminal organization.
So, your only evidence that it didn't happen is "everybody hasn't gotten caught ... yet?"
That's like saying a murder didn't happen because we haven't caught the murderer yet.
Same logic Liberals used to argue that Hillary was innocent of all the crimes Comey didn't prosecute her for. "No arrest = no crime."
What a fucked up country we live in when the ONLY measure of whether something happened is "nobody got in trouble for it".
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Today at 08:54:01 PM
No way. I will never give up my semi autos. I don't think you can even do that with an executive order. Notice all my "liberal" leanings are not towards guns. Just because I'm not a republican doesn't mean I can't like guns....
Never owned any of those so I can't say I would give it up. There is a big difference between banning sale and government confiscating once legal items.
Legally speaking I only follow the law here so I would do anything legal to never give up my semi autos.
I elaborated on my stance.
No you didn't. You changed your "stance". Or if you prefer, you lied about your stance.
Going from "I will never give up..." to "I would do anything legal to never give up..." is not an "elaboration", it's a blatant contradiction.
Your position that you will "follow the law" means that you will do whatever they tell you to do whenever they tell you to do it. Don't pretend you are "standing up" for something when your real position is total acquiescence. You might as well just turn all your firearms in right now and beat the rush.
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If the Post Office has these kinds of people working there, how hard do you imagine it would be for there to be a concerted effort in key states to swipe large numbers of ballots? The mail goes in a truck, truck stops for lunch, truck continues on its way just slightly light of a few hundred ballots.
Lather, rinse, repeat.
The Dems (Soros) spent 34 Billion dollars to defeat Trump. How much of that money do you think it would take to get enough postal workers, elections clerks, public officials and inspectors to lok the other way when ballots start to walk out of the delivery trucks and return to counting centers all filled out for Biden?
I've heard that China copied and printed election ballots which might be used to steal the election. All the Official ballots were controlled under lock/key and distributed by Homeland Security. I understand that the Official ballot has some sort of special invisible markings that fake ballots will not have. When Trump gets a recount in Wisconsin they will verify that each ballot is legal and the person is eligible to vote. If any fake ballots show up, game over Wisconsin was compromised and will show that the Democrats tried to steal the election. When Trump is declared President It is at that point that the riots (funded by Soros) will begin.
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THIS is why we can't trust the Post Office to manage the mail-in ballots for a general election.
The USPS offers no chain of custody for your ballot. That means you have no way of know if your ballot made it to be counted, and that it was in fact the ballot you completed.
Whether it's negligence, incompetence, lack of resources, no process for the volume of ballots being handled, or out and out criminal conduct (or all of the above), the Post Office should only be trusted to deliver ballots to & from voters if their is a new tracking system made available for ballots -- just like the Delivery Confirmation tracking for Priority Mail. Instead, we see first class and bulk rate postage on ballots to save money.
The Dems knew this was a guaranteed way to overwhelm the system and drag Biden across the finish line.
If you still think Biden is winning these swing states honestly, think about this. The states called for Trump, especially the big states like FL and TX, were projected by polls to be blue states -- and by large margins. Instead, Trump won and in pretty substantial amounts.
So, how can the same pollsters be so massively wrong in those states, but the states that still haven't reported are following the polling (+/- margin or error) in Biden's favor? They used the same formulas, methods and data to poll each state, yet somehow only PA, NC, GA, NV and AZ got it right. Every other state was 7% - 13% backwards.
Either the polls were not designed to measure voter opinions but rather push people based on the results ("push polls"), of they should all be off by close to the same margin, meaning the ballots for Biden are an anomaly compared to most other states.
Anomaly, as in unexplainable -- not expected.
Statistically, it appears there is ample evidence that the vote count is being manipulated in half a dozen states.
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I've admitted to being wrong many times, I just need proof.
Funny how you demand proof you're wrong, but you have no evidence you're right other than "feelings".
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I've heard that China copied and printed election ballots which might be used to steal the election. All the Official ballots were controlled under lock/key and distributed by Homeland Security. I understand that the Official ballot has some sort of special invisible markings that fake ballots will not have. When Trump gets a recount in Wisconsin they will verify that each ballot is legal and the person is eligible to vote. If any fake ballots show up, game over Wisconsin was compromised and will show that the Democrats tried to steal the election. When Trump is declared President It is at that point that the riots (funded by Soros) will begin.
New Jersey screwed up a local election so badly using mail-in ballots, a judge ordered a "do-over".
Imagine the legal quagmire that could cause if the Supreme Court orders the same for this cluster-fuck.
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There's many many lawsuits, some he won some he lost. Is Fox news, the new face of liberal news?
Yeah I acted "moronic" it happens. I owned up to it. Realize my faults and fixed it. Hope Trump supporters do the same.
You might as well stop saying "Trump Supporters," and say what you really mean:
DEPLORABLES.
If you're going to put us all in "baskets" all lumped together to make your stereotypes easier to keep up with, might as well go full on Libtard and use the Hillary analogy of the Century.
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I've admitted to being wrong many times, I just need proof.
No, you “guessed” that you were wrong. You just can’t man up and admit it. And that’s only after you try to argue semantics and get called out to the point where it is pointless to even try to justify. Like how punaperson called you out.
And you seem to carry some twisted standard of proof. Just because you don’t believe something, it’s not proof. Beyond reasonable doubt is not beyond any doubt.
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No, you “guessed” that you were wrong. You just can’t man up and admit it. And that’s only after you try to argue semantics and get called out to the point where it is pointless to even try to justify. Like how punaperson called you out.
And you seem to carry some twisted standard of proof. Just because you don’t believe something, it’s not proof. Beyond reasonable doubt is not beyond any doubt.
If I were a troll (and I have played one often :geekdanc:), I would do exactly what you just described to piss people off and hijack all the threads, just so nobody is having a fun time on this "gun forum."
Effective way to drive down membership and morale while cluttering up the threads with constant repetitious bickering and disinformation.
Well, I GUESS that's what I would do. No evidence to prove I ever did that. :rofl:
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I've heard that China copied and printed election ballots which might be used to steal the election. All the Official ballots were controlled under lock/key and distributed by Homeland Security. I understand that the Official ballot has some sort of special invisible markings that fake ballots will not have. When Trump gets a recount in Wisconsin they will verify that each ballot is legal and the person is eligible to vote. If any fake ballots show up, game over Wisconsin was compromised and will show that the Democrats tried to steal the election. When Trump is declared President It is at that point that the riots (funded by Soros) will begin.
Here's a reference to china's ability to manufacture ballots. Mentioned about 9m50 mark. Better yet watch the whole video. https://www.bitchute.com/video/ZdWbQdcEqkV1/
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Funny how you demand proof you're wrong, but you have no evidence you're right other than "feelings".
The burden of evidence is on you. I can't scream out to the world that flapp killed Obama. And when you deny it say give me evidence you didn't. That's not how the justice system works. You accuse of wrong doing, you back it up.
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No, you “guessed” that you were wrong. You just can’t man up and admit it. And that’s only after you try to argue semantics and get called out to the point where it is pointless to even try to justify. Like how punaperson called you out.
And you seem to carry some twisted standard of proof. Just because you don’t believe something, it’s not proof. Beyond reasonable doubt is not beyond any doubt.
This is incorrect. I said "guessed" once from my knowledge in this thread. Alright I will admit in that specific thing I was wrong. I was not wrong about the fact that it was still a process of checks and balances that was implied there was not any. I have not been proven wrong on that. Other times I have flat out said I was wrong. It happens. Unlike flapp who I have never seen admitting he made a mistake. Only calling out semantics all the time to distract. Similar to what Trump does.
Not sure how conviction or atleast a court case is a twisted standard of proof.... that's pretty normal. With so much fake news that's the only 100% certainty.
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I've heard that China copied and printed election ballots which might be used to steal the election. All the Official ballots were controlled under lock/key and distributed by Homeland Security. I understand that the Official ballot has some sort of special invisible markings that fake ballots will not have. When Trump gets a recount in Wisconsin they will verify that each ballot is legal and the person is eligible to vote. If any fake ballots show up, game over Wisconsin was compromised and will show that the Democrats tried to steal the election. When Trump is declared President It is at that point that the riots (funded by Soros) will begin.
🤣🤣🤣
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Here's a reference to china's ability to manufacture ballots. Mentioned about 9m50 mark. Better yet watch the whole video. https://www.bitchute.com/video/ZdWbQdcEqkV1/
sorry as much as I'd like to believe that was false
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Here's a reference to china's ability to manufacture ballots. Mentioned about 9m50 mark. Better yet watch the whole video. https://www.bitchute.com/video/ZdWbQdcEqkV1/
Wait you were not joking? That's a pretty far out conspiracy theory. How would they get the ballots here? How would they coordinate delivery? How would they know who voted and who didn't assuming they hacked the rolls?
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An auditor’s take on the irregularities of the last minute ballots.
https://monsterhunternation.com/2020/11/05/the-2020-election-fuckery-is-afoot/
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An auditor’s take on the irregularities of the last minute ballots.
https://monsterhunternation.com/2020/11/05/the-2020-election-fuckery-is-afoot/
Some of the things he said are suspicious and should be looked into. Though I belive all his talk about ratios is wrong. Mail on ballots will always be extra blue because of how it was marketed. Trump having a large lead in in person voting is because he said to not vote my Mail. You will see a large blue count because democrats encouraged to only vote by mail.
Other cases seem to be fraud but not on a massive scale to tip. We are taking 10000's of votes needed to be fraud.
Massive turnout seems normal as this is the most polarizing president ever in recent history. Hell Trump brought out more votes than Obama is he fraud too?
Some of my quick morning thoughs
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I'm very disappointed in that our most sacred right in this USA has been soiled and bankrupt these past few days. I don't have to show the evidence but the stop & gos, the delays and sudden appearance of buckets of ballots is highly irregular and questionable in this election. It's more than "Orange Man Bad."
My faith in our election is lost. It might be a long 4 years. For those that didn't like President Trump and voted for the other alternatives, you deserve the govt you got and the consequences of such.
Wait till our emboldened local leaders like Rhoads will do when the 2021 legislature convenes. It may be the start of a wave of gun GRAB measures.
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I'm very disappointed in that our most sacred right in this USA has been soiled and bankrupt these past few days. I don't have to show the evidence but the stop & gos, the delays and sudden appearance of buckets of ballots is highly irregular and questionable in this election. It's more than "Orange Man Bad."
My faith in our election is lost. It might be a long 4 years. For those that didn't like President Trump and voted for the other alternatives, you deserve the govt you got and the consequences of such.
Wait till our emboldened local leaders like Rhoads will do when the 2021 legislature convenes. It may be the start of a wave of gun GRAB measures.
What? The foundation of our democracy and our country is law and order. The constitution is innocent until proven guilty. The justice system is one of the 3 pillars of our society. Evidence of a crime is needed for an accusation. You harp on me for "feelings" without evidence but then do a 180 and say the voting system is corrupt because of your opinions without evidence....
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Some of the things he said are suspicious and should be looked into. Though I belive all his talk about ratios is wrong. Mail on ballots will always be extra blue because of how it was marketed. Trump having a large lead in in person voting is because he said to not vote my Mail. You will see a large blue count because democrats encouraged to only vote by mail.
Other cases seem to be fraud but not on a massive scale to tip. We are taking 10000's of votes needed to be fraud.
Massive turnout seems normal as this is the most polarizing president ever in recent history. Hell Trump brought out more votes than Obama is he fraud too?
Some of my quick morning thoughs
So are you an auditor expert now also?
Some pertinent items from the article.
Before I became a novelist I was an accountant. In auditing you look for red flags. That’s weird bits in the data that suggest something shifty is going on. You flag those weird things so you can delve into them further. One flag doesn’t necessarily mean there’s fraud. Weird things happen. A few flags mean stupidity or dishonesty. But a giant pile of red flags means that there’s bad shit going on and people should be in jail.
Except for in politics, where apparently all you have to do to dismiss a bunch of red flag is be a democrat and mumble something about “fascist voter suppression” then you can do all sorts of blatant crime and get off.
I’ve been trying to keep up with the firehose of information about what’s going on during this clusterfuck of an election. Last night I was on Facebook talking about the crazy high, 3rd world dictatorship level voter turnout levels in the deep blue areas of these swing states was very suspicious. Somebody gas lighted me about how “I’d have to do better than that”, so this was my quick reply, listing off the questionable bullshit I could think of off the top of my head:
The massive turn out alone is a red flag.
But as for doing better…
The late night spikes that were enough to close all the Trump leads are a red flag.
The statistically impossible breakdown of the ratios of these vote dumps is a red flag.
The ratios of these dumps being far better than the percentages in the bluest of blue cities, even though the historical data does not match, red flag.
The ratios of these vote dumps favoring Biden more in these few battlegrounds than the ratio for the rest of the country (even the bluest of the blue) red flag.
Biden outperforming Obama among these few urban vote dumps, even though Trump picked up points in every demographic group in the rest of the country, red flag.
The poll observers being removed. Red flag.
The counters cheering as GOP observers are removed, red flag.
The fact that the dem observers outnumber the GOP observers 3 to 1, red flag (and basis of the first lawsuit filed)
The electioneering at the polls (on video), red flag.
The willful violation of the court order requiring the separation of ballots by type, red flag.
USPS whistleblower reporting to the Inspector General that today they were ordered to backdate ballots to yesterday, red flag.
The video of 2 AM deliveries of what appear to be boxes of ballots with no chain of custody or other observers right before the late night miracle spikes, red flag.
Any of those things would be enough to trigger an audit in the normal world. This many flags and I’d be giggling in anticipation of catching some thieves.
And it isn’t that I have to do better. I’m just an gen pop observer who happens to be a retired auditor with a finely tuned bullshit detector. This is going to the courts.
When you are auditing you see mistakes happen all the time. Humans make errors. Except in real life, mistakes usually go in different directions. When all the mistakes go in the same direction and benefit the same parties, they probably aren’t mistakes. They’re malfeasance.
Let’s go back a bit to before election day to see why people would be suspicious that the game has been rigged.
In a small populace, you can get 100% of the vote. However the larger the sample, the more likely there will be dissenting votes. Even in the bluest of blue areas or reddest of red areas, somebody is going to be a cranky dissident, or an old person is going to fill in the wrong circle. When you get into the hundreds or thousands yet maintain that kind of perfect ratio, basically impossible.
Then people were quick to dismiss these statistically improbable spikes with “of course the mail in voting favors Biden, republicans vote in person.” Yes, but they don’t favor Biden with these kind of ratios anywhere else in America. The ratios are more like 60-40 or 70-30. But 97-3? Oh fuck no. So either Biden is a better campaigner to the inner cities (though he rarely left his basement) than the eloquent messianic figure of Barack Obama, or there’s something fishy going on here.
Now, as a suspicious auditor type who spent a lot of hours looking for fuckery in complex systems, my gut tells me fake ballots were getting dumped into the system to make up the difference. And oh look, here is a giant pile of red flags indicating that’s the case.
Because here’s the kicker, the high turn out is the average for the state, but when you drill down on the source of these statistically improbable blue vote dumps, they’ve got districts with TWO HUNDRED PERCENT TURN OUT. That’s over 200%. There’s 7 over 100%, and a ton of them in the 90s. https://mkecitywire.com/stories/564495243-analysis-seven-milwaukee-wards-report-more-2020-presidential-votes-than-registered-voters-biden-nets-146k-votes-in-city
Now the quick liberal dismiss explanation for this is that Wisconsin has same day registration (again, a fraudsters dream) and thousands of people ignored months of TV and social media beating them over the head to get registered to vote, and just decided to do it at the last minute because Biden is just that awesome/Trump is just that bad.
Except if you’re an auditor, when you see super suspicious spikes like that in certain places, the first thing we think is that’s the place where you’ve got somebody over the controls colluding. So that’s where you go to fabricate your bullshit.
200% turn out is fucking insane. Same day voting or not. That’s madness. When I was looking into this stuff I pulled a HuffPo article about the 2012 election and how it was controversial that some Madison ward had gotten 119% turnout.
Read the rest of the article. It's long but he goes into it a lot more.
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What? The foundation of our democracy and our country is law and order. The constitution is innocent until proven guilty. The justice system is one of the 3 pillars of our society. Evidence of a crime is needed for an accusation. You harp on me for "feelings" without evidence but then do a 180 and say the voting system is corrupt because of your opinions without evidence....
Hey douche, did I mention anything criminal? I said it was highly irregular and questionable. If there was solid evidence that I (me) could find I'd present it.
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If I were a troll (and I have played one often :geekdanc:), I would do exactly what you just described to piss people off and hijack all the threads, just so nobody is having a fun time on this "gun forum."
Effective way to drive down membership and morale while cluttering up the threads with constant repetitious bickering and disinformation.
Well, I GUESS that's what I would do. No evidence to prove I ever did that. :rofl:
That's fine. There are many on here, besides admin and MODs, that have a lot of experience with that and those types. I used to be a MOD on a large national gun board and am admin on a smaller one. We see right through those types and know how to toy with them.
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1) This is incorrect. I said "guessed" once from my knowledge in this thread. Alright I will admit in that specific thing I was wrong. I was not wrong about the fact that it was still a process of checks and balances that was implied there was not any. I have not been proven wrong on that. Other times I have flat out said I was wrong. It happens. Unlike flapp who I have never seen admitting he made a mistake. Only calling out semantics all the time to distract. Similar to what Trump does.
2) Not sure how conviction or atleast a court case is a twisted standard of proof.... that's pretty normal. With so much fake news that's the only 100% certainty.
1) There are many other threads when you were wrong you just said "well, I guess I am wrong. But blah blah blah". Like the scam thread. You always make excuses and deflect.
2) You really do take everything super literally. My point was that you have this twisted sense of proof, where you have your own standard of what is "tangible", that you know what you know and practically need someone to whack you over the head with a 2x4 to "prove" to you otherwise. Well, that's all you if you want to live life that way. Just be prepared when life does whack you on the head with a 2x4. The $100 scam wasn't even a yardstick.
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When disinfo trolls get caught in a corner their default tactic is to change the subject. The current goal of the campaigns is demoralization.
https://conservativedailypost.com/clinton-docs-reveal-dnc-secretly-built-elaborate-media-manipulation-scheme-in-23-states/
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Doesn't look good, many magic votes voted for Biden appear every night from many states. Jr. tweeted to have faith that they're on it.
What we have learned over the years, is that Trump is master at 4D chess. So that's the hope I'm clinging on too.
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Doesn't look good, many magic votes voted for Biden appear every night from many states. Jr. tweeted to have faith that they're on it.
What we have learned over the years, is that Trump is master at 4D chess. So that's the hope I'm clinging on too.
If things were reversed, we’d always have a few nights of riots.
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1) There are many other threads when you were wrong you just said "well, I guess I am wrong. But blah blah blah". Like the scam thread. You always make excuses and deflect.
2) You really do take everything super literally. My point was that you have this twisted sense of proof, where you have your own standard of what is "tangible", that you know what you know and practically need someone to whack you over the head with a 2x4 to "prove" to you otherwise. Well, that's all you if you want to live life that way. Just be prepared when life does whack you on the head with a 2x4. The $100 scam wasn't even a yardstick.
Yes I do tend to take things literally. Sorry if that's an issue. I think everyone has their own standards and opinions. Alot of arguments here don't have a level of proof I need to charge my mind. As for admitting I am wrong. Those are mostly when I'm wrong on a particular fact but not the argument. Hopefully I learned from that scam. Knocked some sense into me.
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If things were reversed, we’d always have a few nights of riots.
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20201106/a0fcf740e73e161d09b460488c3638f2.jpg)
Hmmm? From what I see they are still complaining about interference. Look at the recent one targeting Latinos.
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Something to think about.
Trump already has the title of president. He has money. He has fame. He can retire. There really is no reason for him to keep fighting the fake results (court suites), unless he truly loves America and knows what Biden and his party will do to her. Also if he does win, to put up with all the BS for another 4 years.
So he's doing this for us. Cause we will be impacted by Biden and his people. Trump has enough money where it wont affect him, and he can even live somewhere else if he wanted to.
1 thing I'm concerned about is what another posted about for the co-pay for insulin for his wife. Co- pay is set to drop from like $600 to $70 a month. Will Biden undo this because you know big pharma is losing lots and wants a Biden win.
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Wait you were not joking? That's a pretty far out conspiracy theory. How would they get the ballots here? How would they coordinate delivery? How would they know who voted and who didn't assuming they hacked the rolls?
We already know the voter registration lists have been disclosed to foreign countries.
:sleeping:
People are showing up to vote at polls and being told they already voted.
Not a "theory". Evidence.
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We already know the voter registration lists have been disclosed to foreign countries.
:sleeping:
People are showing up to vote at polls and being told they already voted.
Not a "theory". Evidence.
"people" you mean person. One person. You have shown me. Where are the others? If this was fraud on the scale of 10000's there would be thousands of complaints and errors.
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"people" you mean person. One person. You have shown me. Where are the others? If this was fraud on the scale of 10000's there would be thousands of complaints and errors.
Your "one person" is a theory, because you are not the focal point for all reports of voters being told they already voted.
Just because it's not in the news is not evidence it didn't happen (e.g Biden's corruption evidenced by Hunter Biden's laptop).
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Just because it's not in the news is not evidence it didn't happen
For the CNN/PMSNBC true believers it is.
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/pennsylvania-ballots-gop/2020/11/06/064fdf94-2056-11eb-90dd-abd0f7086a91_story.html?outputType=amp
https://nypost.com/2020/11/06/justice-alito-orders-pennsylvania-officials-divide-late-ballots/amp/
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If the final counts in these states prove to be close, and enough of these "irregularities" combine to put a giant question mark on the outcome, the Supreme Court should invalidate the election results for the entire election, and give the Congress the task of selecting the President and VP.
In Michigan, one county reports a "flip" of about 6,000 votes from Republican to Democrat. That effectively becomes a 12,000 vote error, since they would have to take 6,000 FROM Biden and give 6,000 TO Trump. A few more counties like that, and we're talking about flipping the state from Blue to Red. I wonder how many other swing states used that same software? Is this from the same company that totally f'ed up the Democrat Primary Elections in several states?
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If the final counts in these states prove to be close, and enough of these "irregularities" combine to put a giant question mark on the outcome, the Supreme Court should invalidate the election results for the entire election, and give the Congress the task of selecting the President and VP.
In Michigan, one county reports a "flip" of about 6,000 votes from Republican to Democrat. That effectively becomes a 12,000 vote error, since they would have to take 6,000 FROM Biden and give 6,000 TO Trump. A few more counties like that, and we're talking about flipping the state from Blue to Red. I wonder how many other swing states used that same software? Is this from the same company that totally f'ed up the Democrat Primary Elections in several states?
Lol no. This is a democracy not a dictatorship. We are not China. The people decide not the senate or the house.
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Lol no. This is a democracy not a dictatorship. We are not China. The people decide not the senate or the house.
LOL!! NO!
This is a CONSTITUTIONAL REPUBLIC. Where did you learn your US political facts?
Since when does China have a Constitution or a Congress?
I imagine you know more about their government than ours, since "not a Democracy."
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https://www.kbtx.com/2020/11/06/limestone-county-social-worker-charged-with-134-felony-counts-involving-election-fraud/ (https://www.kbtx.com/2020/11/06/limestone-county-social-worker-charged-with-134-felony-counts-involving-election-fraud/)
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https://www.kbtx.com/2020/11/06/limestone-county-social-worker-charged-with-134-felony-counts-involving-election-fraud/ (https://www.kbtx.com/2020/11/06/limestone-county-social-worker-charged-with-134-felony-counts-involving-election-fraud/)
I'm going to do some research to see if this was a Democrat -- in part because no mention was made. Had it been a Trump supporter, that would have been in the headline.
I'm going out on a limb and saying she was working against Trump. :geekdanc:
Stay tuned .... O0
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She looks nice .... :wacko:
(https://i.imgur.com/ID3cQUe.jpg)
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I know it’s last minute. But is anyone here joining tomorrow?
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Well, well ..... this is bigger than just that one care provider.
Joe Biden's Texas director accused of filling in ballots for dead people
This was Joe Biden's Political Director in Texas, Dallas Jones (Good name for a Texan :rofl:).
This is being described as "This scheme involves voter fraud on a massive scale".
Remember, even IF these kinds of fraud rings fail to harvest enough illegal ballots to carry the state, they do add to the "Popular Vote." You know -- that metric that was used to call Trump's presidency "illegitimate," giving rise to calls to abolish the electoral college? Not a bad way to push the narrative in favor of using the popular vote for the General. Even if they don't accomplish the goal of getting the Dem candidate elected, they can push the secondary goal of making sure the winner doesn't "win" the popular vote.
I always wondered if the popular vote Hillary supposedly won was made possible by voter fraud in Dem states like CA and NY. Lots of illegals were placed on voter roles after they allowed illegal aliens to have state drivers licenses (Motor-Voter automatic registration).
A lawsuit has been filed against the Joe Biden campaign's Texas political director accusing him of
running an illegal ballot harvesting operation, according to two separate affidavits filed Monday at
the Texas Supreme Court.
Dallas Jones and his cohorts are hoarding mail-in and absentee ballots and ordering operatives to
fill the ballots out for people illegally, including for dead people, homeless people and nursing home
residents, two private investigators have testified under oath, according to National File.
The investigators, a former FBI agent and a former police officer, have testified they have video
evidence, documentation and witnesses to make their case.
National File's Patrick Howley said the affidavits were filed as part of the class-action lawsuit by citizens
against Harris County and the state of Texas.
Jones was named the Biden campaign's Texas political director in early September.
In an affidavit, retired Houston police officer Mark A. Aguirre said he is "currently involved in an
investigation related to a wide-ranging and fraudulent ballot harvesting scheme in Harris County
intended to rig the elections in the Houston/Harris County area."
"This scheme involves voter fraud on a massive scale," he wrote.
Aguirre said that based on interviews, a review of documents and other information he has identified
Jones as part of the scheme.
Witnesses, he said, attest to Jones and others "completing thousands of absentee and mail-in ballots,
including completing ballots for deceased individuals; illegally going into nursing homes, with the
complicity of the nursing home staff, and filling out and forging the signatures of nursing home residents;
signing up homeless individuals to vote using the ballot harvester's address then completing the ballot
and forging the homeless individual's signature."
Aguirre said the "entire operation is being run by the elite politicians of the Democrat Party" in Houston
and Harris County.
Former FBI agent Charles F. Marler said in an affidavit he formerly was an investigative specialist
conducting undercover operations on espionage and terrorist targets.
He testified that in December 2019, he was approached by two individuals who witnessed activity from
an illegal ballot harvesting operation in Harris County and has been investigating since then.
He said "a core group of names continued to surface regarding the organization and operation of the voter
fraud scheme."
Witnesses have stated to him that Precinct 1 Harris County Commissioner Rodney Ellis and District 13
Texas State Senator Borris Miles are leading the illegal ballot harvesting operation in Harris County.
"Their chief lieutenants are Houston businessman Gerald Womack and political consultant Dallas Jones,
who work directly under them in executing the ballot harvesting operation in Harris County, Texas," he wrote.
Two witnesses, Marler said, have stated to him that two employees of the Harris County Clerk's Office
"are aware of the illegal ballots and help facilitate and mask the processing of the ballots into the legal
stream of ballots."
In the spring, when several interviews he conducted became public, Harris County Clerk Diane Troutman
resigned, alleging health concerns due to COVID-19.
"However, witnesses have told me that Ms. Troutman was arguing with Commission Rodney Ellis about the
legality of the mass purchasing and mailing of mail-in ballots and that Troutman was concerned she would
be included in the eventual arrest pertaining to illegal ballot harvesting," Marler said.
"Instead of coming forward and exposing the scheme, Ms. Troutman abruptly resigned."
Witnesses, he said, have stated that Ellis "was not deterred and continued to move forward with the plan
to mass mail ballots and expand the illegal ballot harvesting scam."
Another witness said an employee of Ellis, Tyler James, has bragged that he could guarantee that the illegal
ballot harvesting operation, with the help of mass mail-in ballots, could harvest 700,000 illegal ballots.
https://www.wnd.com/2020/09/joe-bidens-texas-director-accused-filling-ballots-dead-people/
Not a smidgeon of wide spread provable voter fraud.
LOL!! NO!
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Much more than just "ORange Man bad"
They are messing with our most sacred right
and if they do this to votes what do you think they'll do with the 2A and so forth...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L7sPNXFSwfs
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the biggest scam in American history
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gyMmJy0r1mA&feature=emb_logo
I think the Democrats are sacrificing Joe and Kamala
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Early morning news announced Joe Biden has officially been declared the winner of the Presidential election.
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Fox News has called Nevada and Pennsylvania for Biden.
https://www.foxnews.com/elections/2020/general-results
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Biden is president, now everything comes down to congress. Republicans need to keep the senate red.
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(https://i.imgur.com/hRpKw1s.jpg)
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Biden is president, now everything comes down to congress. Republicans need to keep the senate red.
No he's not. He's not even the "president-elect". I know this will come as a shock to readers, but you don't know shit.
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No he's not. He's not even the "president-elect". I know this will come as a shock to readers, but you don't know shit.
Alright, you are correct, until next year he is not president. Unless something major happens he is president-elect. Not sure where you get your facts from but all major news called the race for him.
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Alright, you are correct, until next year he is not president. Unless something major happens he is president-elect. Not sure where you get your facts from but all major news called the race for him.
Who determines the next President? Is it the media?
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Who determines the next President? Is it the media?
State have released counts, the "media" which include non media organizations take that and project. Some states have flat out said who won. All this is added together and someone is president-elect. Then after a while all states complete votes and audits and the president-elect is decided 100%.
Same thing happens to every single president. They called trump president-elect before all formalities have been completed.
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Sigh. . .
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and if results were converse, the media would be calling stolen election, recounts, and lawsuits
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and if results were converse, the media would be calling stolen election, recounts, and lawsuits
Precisely
Zactly what happened in 2015.
But it doesn’t happen. According to all knowing one.
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Precisely
Zactly what happened in 2015.
But it doesn’t happen. According to all knowing one.
What? They were angry and everything just like republicans are now but they accepted it and Trump became president. Unless I am mistaken and we have Hilary as president now. I thought in 2016 the democrats should accept defeat in president and all the stupid not my president stuff was dumb, and I think republicans in 2020 should accept it also and focus on 2024.
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What? They were angry and everything just like republicans are now but they accepted it and Trump became president. Unless I am mistaken and we have Hilary as president now.
Forest for the trees...
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What? They were angry and everything just like republicans are now but they accepted it and Trump became president. Unless I am mistaken and we have Hilary as president now. I thought in 2016 the democrats should accept defeat in president and all the stupid not my president stuff was dumb, and I think republicans in 2020 should accept it also and focus on 2024.
did they have mail in ballots in 2016?
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Alright, you are correct, until next year he is not president. Unless something major happens he is president-elect. Not sure where you get your facts from but all major news called the race for him.
You are one ignorant motherfucker. But we all already know that. It's just shooting fish in a barrel, which I agree, isn't very "sporting", but it is what it is.
No one is president-elect until the electoral college electors vote. They don't vote until after each state certifies it's vote totals. It doesn't matter what the various Democrat operative media ("all major news") proclaim, or any Democrat claims, or any RINO claims, or what morons like you claim.
Numerous lawsuits are being filed re various aspects of the vote process and tabulation processes. Those legal actions may or may not result in "something major". No one knows, or can know, what the outcome of those legal actions will be.
Those facts come from reality, something with which you are obviously not at all familiar with.
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You are one ignorant motherfucker. But we all already know that. It's just shooting fish in a barrel, which I agree, isn't very "sporting", but it is what it is.
No one is president-elect until the electoral college electors vote. They don't vote until after each state certifies it's vote totals. It doesn't matter what the various Democrat operative media ("all major news") proclaim, or any Democrat claims, or any RINO claims, or what morons like you claim.
Numerous lawsuits are being filed re various aspects of the vote process and tabulation processes. Those legal actions may or may not result in "something major". No one knows, or can know, what the outcome of those legal actions will be.
Those facts come from reality, something with which you are obviously not at all familiar with.
He, like totally has his own reality. Dude...
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did they have mail in ballots in 2016?
Yes, not to this extent but yes they did. I voted by mail.
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Eyewitness Account of Election Fraud in Michigan
https://youtu.be/-E2QA-br9Jw?t=35
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Yes, not to this extent but yes they did. I voted by mail.
my point
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Yes, not to this extent but yes they did. I voted by mail.
Let's make the question more explicit, since you ignored the intent of the question:
In 2016 how many states, compared to 2020, had ballots that were mailed to everyone on the voter registration list, independent of an actual request from a voter as per the previously existing "absentee ballot" rules and requirements?
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Nothing to see here.
(https://i.imgur.com/eCq6UEl.png)
PS: Everything Joe Biden and Kamala Harris said in the past year has been "misleading about a civic process".
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Let's make the question more explicit, since you ignored the intent of the question:
In 2016 how many states, compared to 2020, had ballots that were mailed to everyone on the voter registration list, independent of an actual request from a voter as per the previously existing "absentee ballot" rules and requirements?
Not sure on the exact states but not all of them. And not many that he lost.
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Nothing to see here.
(https://i.imgur.com/eCq6UEl.png)
PS: Everything Joe Biden and Kamala Harris said in the past year has been "misleading about a civic process".
Post fakenews get censored. Posting things without evidence. Let's see some courtcases to prove fraud.
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Post fakenews get censored. Posting things without evidence. Let's see some courtcases to prove fraud.
Oh. But HRV could throw out a bunch of stuff in 2015-2016.
Ya, nothing to see there.
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Oh. But HRV could throw out a bunch of stuff in 2015-2016.
Ya, nothing to see there.
New rules are not retroactive. If there's bias to something stupid the liberals post now I will be against that to. I'm anti fake news regardless of sides.
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New rules are not retroactive. If there's bias to something stupid the liberals post now I will be against that to. I'm anti fake news regardless of sides.
“You know nothing” - Ygritte
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The media does not control the courts. We still have a ways to go before this gets sorted out. No matter what happens the credibility in our electoral system is broken and people who do not want to get to the bottom of what happened and are shouting for us to "Move On" are not being honest about their intentions.
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The media does not control the courts. We still have a ways to go before this gets sorted out. No matter what happens the credibility in our electoral system is broken and people who do not want to get to the bottom of what happened and are shouting for us to "Move On" are not being honest about their intentions.
Is just switching sides. Instead of democrat witch hunt for Russia. It's Republicans witch hunt for corruption.
Time will see if this witch hunt provides any fruit.
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Joseph Stalin: “the people who cast the vote decide nothing, the people who count the vote decide everything”
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The media just destroyed the integrity of our elections and has a lot to answer for. No matter what happens after this point 50% of the population will consider the winner illegitimate. The idea of winning at any costs only appeals to those who are too incompetent to consider what those costs really mean.
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The media just destroyed the integrity of our elections and has a lot to answer for. No matter what happens after this point 50% of the population will consider the winner illegitimate. The idea of winning at any costs only appeals to those who are too incompetent to consider what those costs really mean.
My entire life, I've heard and seen one undeniable truth: The Left believes in "Win at all cost." They rationalize it by their comments, "We can't do the great things we intend unless we're in power. So, getting elected has to be our #1 goal."
When they say they are working for the American people, they are lying. They are working the American people for votes, just so they can implement their agenda. Most times, we don't really see their agenda in plain sight until they have that power. Like Hildabeast said, they have one policy position for the public, and one position in private.
Translation: We have to lie to the voters, because if we tried to win on the merits of our positions, we would lose every time.
After Obama passed ACA with a House and Senate majority, the next midterm, he lost the House for the Dems. Next election, he lost the Senate for the Dems. Next, he lost the Presidency for the Dems.
If Biden is going to become Obama 2.0 on Steroids, we already know what to expect. No Socialist, Far Left Wing proposal will be too radical, too expensive, or too large.
Their agenda is all that matters.
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Their agenda is all that matters.
Bears repeating, it is very true.
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My entire life, I've heard and seen one undeniable truth: The Left believes in "Win at all cost." They rationalize it by their comments, "We can't do the great things we intend unless we're in power. So, getting elected has to be our #1 goal."
When they say they are working for the American people, they are lying. They are working the American people for votes, just so they can implement their agenda/ Most times, we don't really see their agenda in plain sight until they have that power. Like Hildabeast said, they have on policy position for the public, and one position in private.
Translation: We have to lie to the voters, because if we tried to win on the merits of our positions, we would lose every time.
After Obama passed ACA with a House and Senate majority, the next midterm, he lost the House for the Dems. Next election, he lost the Senate for the Dems. Next, he lost the Presidency for the Dems.
If Biden is going to become Obama 2.0 on Steroids, we already know what to expect. No Socialist, Far Let Wing proposal will be too radical, too expensive, or too large.
Their agenda is all that matters.
Or stuff that we've all heard too many times, like "think of the children" and other emotional appeals. What kills me more is that so many seemingly intelligent folks can't see past the media and other manipulation. Well, because the news said so, so it HAS to be true.
The drive toward socialism is what I am concerned about most. Folks like AOC seemingly ever more emboldened and more and more seeing her as a positive beacon for change. Makes me :barf: I used to think that Obama could only do so much damage on his own. Boy I was wrong.
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JUST LIKE STALIN’S GREAT PURGE: AOC Leads Democrat Effort to Create ‘Trump Accountability Project’ Hit List to Pay Back Trump Supporters – Update: sitting judges added to the list
(https://i.imgur.com/RueUQfA.jpg)
At the behest of ‘squad’ member and New York Congresswoman Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, a blacklist of “Trump sycophants”—entitled “The Trump Accountability Project”—is archiving the names of individuals who “elected, served, funded, supported, and represented” President Donald Trump.
(https://i.imgur.com/m4zhip7.png)
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Alright, you are correct, until next year he is not president. Unless something major happens he is president-elect. Not sure where you get your facts from but all major news called the race for him.
say something stupid, and then retract it to say something stupider
sounds like management material to me...
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say something stupid, and then retract it to say something stupider
sounds like management material to me...
'I've done some dumb things, I'll do dumb things again:' - Joe Biden
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My wish, assuming Trump is a lame duck president now, would be that he pardons every single person who was indicted and/or convicted as part of the Russia Gate hoax. Not a single person was convicted of anything related to the stated purpose of the investigation. Anyone indicted during that period was found out in the context of an illegal counter-intelligence investigation predicated on a bogus dossier paid for by Hillary Clinton and the DNC (others??), and the source of which was a suspected Russian spy. Some were simply victims of a perjury trap, and in Flynn's case, he didn't even lie according the the FBI's own records.
Should the people caught up in the hoax be punished for any crimes they committed before they ever started working on the campaign or administration? Not if the evidence was obtained with an illegal warrant. The IG said the warrants had errors, omissions and lies. Even Comey and others who signed off on the FISA warrants have testified that, knowing what they know now, they would not sign the warrants. What he meant to say was, "Knowing that the public now knows what they know, I would not risk making false certifications on secret warrants to go after top officials, players and family members in the Trump campaign and administration."
He should undo the damage the Russia hoax inflicted on its victims, and that goes triple for General Flynn. He should not allow the deep state to benefit at all from that coup attempt. If he can, he should also reimburse them for the financial burdens fighting government prosecution entailed.
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At the behest of ‘squad’ member and New York Congresswoman Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, a blacklist of “Trump sycophants”—entitled “The Trump Accountability Project”—is archiving the names of individuals who “elected, served, funded, supported, and represented” President Donald Trump.
At the moment it is quite concerning that AOC and the left are willing to walk so far out on thin ice. They are setting themselves up for a total mental breakdown if the final results come in differently than they want, and starting out by announcing this sort of Orwellian intimidation and harassment campaign has very serious legal and civil stability implications. It is like they expect everyone to just sit down and take it.
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At the moment it is quite concerning that AOC and the left are willing to walk so far out on thin ice. They are setting themselves up for a total mental breakdown if the final results come in differently than they want, and starting out by announcing this sort of Orwellian intimidation and harassment campaign has very serious legal and civil stability implications. It is like they expect everyone to just sit down and take it.
she is crazy hawt
(https://chronicle.brightspotcdn.com/dims4/default/71460e0/2147483647/strip/true/crop/2852x1556+0+0/resize/1680x916!/format/webp/quality/90/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fchronicle-brightspot.s3.amazonaws.com%2F1a%2F4f%2F99046ee55f5036358b9b46581e29%2Fscreen-shot-2019-01-04-at-10-35-19-am.png)
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At the moment it is quite concerning that AOC and the left are willing to walk so far out on thin ice. They are setting themselves up for a total mental breakdown if the final results come in differently than they want, and starting out by announcing this sort of Orwellian intimidation and harassment campaign has very serious legal and civil stability implications. It is like they expect everyone to just sit down and take it.
Jack Maxey concluded the Bannon War Room podcast a couple of days ago when the "Accountability" concept was first made public by saying "Whenever Maoists, socialists, communists, or Marxists make enemies lists it always ends in the same way: murder."
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she is crazy hawt
I wonder if she became a bartender after no sober men wanted to take her home?
"Here, handsome. The next four are on the house. I get off at 1".
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It is like they expect everyone to just sit down and take it.
Well, half the country did not want Obungacare, but did nothing.
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I wonder if she became a bartender after no sober men wanted to take her home?
"Here, handsome. The next four are on the house. I get off at 1".
what?! I'm always sober. I would take her home.
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:sleeping:
JUST LIKE STALIN’S GREAT PURGE: AOC Leads Democrat Effort to Create ‘Trump Accountability Project’ Hit List to Pay Back Trump Supporters – Update: sitting judges added to the list
(https://i.imgur.com/RueUQfA.jpg)
At the behest of ‘squad’ member and New York Congresswoman Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, a blacklist of “Trump sycophants”—entitled “The Trump Accountability Project”—is archiving the names of individuals who “elected, served, funded, supported, and represented” President Donald Trump.
(https://i.imgur.com/m4zhip7.png)
How do I sign up to be on the list? >:D
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How do I sign up to be on the list? >:D
Here ya go. Just email AOC, or any local communist, and let them know which category(ies) you qualify under and I'm sure they'll be glad to include you in the list for a future 3 AM visit.
(https://i.imgur.com/eW1MiNT.png)
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Here ya go. Just email AOC, or any local communist, and let them know which category(ies) you qualify under and I'm sure they'll be glad to include you in the list for a future 3 AM visit.
(https://i.imgur.com/eW1MiNT.png)
The far left has done some crazy shit but this is the next level.
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what?! I'm always sober. I would take her home.
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Yeah, I would
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You are one ignorant motherfucker. But we all already know that. It's just shooting fish in a barrel, which I agree, isn't very "sporting", but it is what it is.
No one is president-elect until the electoral college electors vote. They don't vote until after each state certifies it's vote totals. It doesn't matter what the various Democrat operative media ("all major news") proclaim, or any Democrat claims, or any RINO claims, or what morons like you claim.
Numerous lawsuits are being filed re various aspects of the vote process and tabulation processes. Those legal actions may or may not result in "something major". No one knows, or can know, what the outcome of those legal actions will be.
Those facts come from reality, something with which you are obviously not at all familiar with.
Wait, what? I can see the Millennial heads exploding right now! :rofl:
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What? Joe Biden isn’t our president elect? But the news said so......
Millennial heads explode! :rofl: 🧨
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It will be called MELTDOWN 2.0
I think it's possible the electors will be told not to vote according to the fraudulent results, but according to what SHOULD have been.
It's up to the electors anyway, and maybe the Supreme Court will instruct them accordingly.
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While the perception is that Sleepy Joe won - it is peaceful. That's THE difference between Trump supporters and the rest. We won't destroy our own cities and we won't devolve into unrest.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f0uIWUUE8vs
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The far left has done some crazy shit but this is the next level.
U ever seen antifa interact with trump supporters? This is mynah.
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At the moment it is quite concerning that AOC and the left are willing to walk so far out on thin ice. They are setting themselves up for a total mental breakdown if the final results come in differently than they want, and starting out by announcing this sort of Orwellian intimidation and harassment campaign has very serious legal and civil stability implications. It is like they expect everyone to just sit down and take it.
Exactly one of my biggest concerns moving forward. They, and others, will be more emboldened to the push toward Socialism. Now (or if) they don't have Trump as an enemy to "fight", they will be more concentrated on their agenda. Sad that I'm seeing so many viewing AOC and Kamala as champions for progressive society, just because they are breaking the glass ceiling. I am all for the best person to be in positions of power and leadership. But so many wanting a "strong woman" that I think they are missing the dangers of what those women stand for.
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What? Joe Biden isn’t our president elect? But the news said so......
Millennial heads explode! :rofl: 🧨
Sadly, not just millenials. Was at a bbq at a friend's house over the weekend and his mom was going on and on about how Trump "is a liar" and getting all emotional. It's not just the millenials that have bought into that.
Guess which news they watch religiously at the house? MSNBC and Maddow. . . :(
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So Pfizer announced this morning that they have a vaccine that's 90% effective so far. Guess they waited until after Biden got the unofficial elect.
So Fauci was on the air a month or so ago talking about all the vaccines currently in trials and the best is 40%. So either Fauci didn't know about Pfizers vacc, or he knew but wanted to keep it hush hush until after th election. And Pfizer says they've tried it on thousands of testers. So all that be done in a month, I don't think so.
I'm hoping for master 4D chess play. Trump knew this, but couldn't say anything or the comp may deny it. So he knows DNC is cheating and letting all the shaddy unreporting come out thinking that they got Biden for a win. Then once Trump wins, these companies cannot take back what they released. FYI, Pfizer has majority of it's donations to the DNC.
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Exactly one of my biggest concerns moving forward. They, and others, will be more emboldened to the push toward Socialism. Now (or if) they don't have Trump as an enemy to "fight", they will be more concentrated on their agenda. Sad that I'm seeing so many viewing AOC and Kamala as champions for progressive society, just because they are breaking the glass ceiling. I am all for the best person to be in positions of power and leadership. But so many wanting a "strong woman" that I think they are missing the dangers of what those women stand for.
Kamala's speech did mention all the "protesting" over 4 years was worth it. I've read many comments on other FB pages and those who support her are all about POC and woman making it as VP. NOthing of what she stands for or things she accomplished besides being born a woman and half Jamaican and half Indian.
I see so many comments responding to Trump supporters that are like "he lost, get over it". I'm hoping for a Trump win in the courts and a HUGE BOOOOOOYYYAAAHHHHHH. I will use the line "Biden lost, get over it".
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Kamala's speech did mention all the "protesting" over 4 years was worth it. I've read many comments on other FB pages and those who support her are all about POC and woman making it as VP. NOthing of what she stands for or things she accomplished besides being born a woman and half Jamaican and half Indian.
I see so many comments responding to Trump supporters that are like "he lost, get over it". I'm hoping for a Trump win in the courts and a HUGE BOOOOOOYYYAAAHHHHHH. I will use the line "Biden lost, get over it".
When trump won in 2016, Trump voters did say boooyah. And you lost get over it. But now they are acting like the democrats in 2016..... its quite funny to watch.
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Kamala's speech did mention all the "protesting" over 4 years was worth it. I've read many comments on other FB pages and those who support her are all about POC and woman making it as VP. NOthing of what she stands for or things she accomplished besides being born a woman and half Jamaican and half Indian.
I see so many comments responding to Trump supporters that are like "he lost, get over it". I'm hoping for a Trump win in the courts and a HUGE BOOOOOOYYYAAAHHHHHH. I will use the line "Biden lost, get over it".
Precisely. Even with HRC, the push was to get A woman President. I'm all for equality, but don't push someone, push the right someone. Personally, I think Kamala has huge red flags that many are ignorant or ignore. Just because of blind hatred for Trump. As discussed in other threads, much of that was pushed by MSM. Urge all to listen to live or unedited versions of speeches and decide for themselves, prior to opinions added by MSM, or any media for that matter. Just too many MSN parrots, like some here. . .
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When trump won in 2016, Trump voters did say boooyah. And you lost get over it. But now they are acting like the democrats in 2016..... its quite funny to watch.
I don’t remember states flipping to trump 4 days after Election Day. To compare the two is disingenuous.
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Sadly, not just millenials. Was at a bbq at a friend's house over the weekend and his mom was going on and on about how Trump "is a liar" and getting all emotional. It's not just the millenials that have bought into that.
Guess which news they watch religiously at the house? MSNBC and Maddow. . . :(
I know. I just used the Millennial example for our token Millennial’s benefit. A little jab so to speak.
My Progressive cousin fawns over Maddow. He doesn’t have an opinion on anything until he hears her opinion. Sad. 😢
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I don’t remember states flipping to trump 4 days after Election Day. To compare the two is disingenuous.
True, its not a direct comparison. But the states flipping was not a magical event. It was said to happen before the election. Many of those states mandated that mail-in votes not be counted or processed early. This means there is a delay. Democrats said to vote by mail and republicans encouraged in-person voting. So if you count in-person first, the states will always be red first then turn blue (if there are more democrat votes). This is what it was supposed to look like.
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Kamala's speech did mention all the "protesting" over 4 years was worth it. I've read many comments on other FB pages and those who support her are all about POC and woman making it as VP. NOthing of what she stands for or things she accomplished besides being born a woman and half Jamaican and half Indian.
I see so many comments responding to Trump supporters that are like "he lost, get over it". I'm hoping for a Trump win in the courts and a HUGE BOOOOOOYYYAAAHHHHHH. I will use the line "Biden lost, get over it".
I agree you on Kamala, she is borderline racist and sexist. Her accomplishments should only matter not the color of her skin or what genitals she has.
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all the liberals I talk to are more happy to see Trump lose than see Biden/Harris win
I hate the way Biden trots around like he has all this energy. nobody does that. he trots for like 10 feet then takes off his mask. that irritates me
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True, its not a direct comparison. But the states flipping was not a magical event. It was said to happen before the election. Many of those states mandated that mail-in votes not be counted or processed early. This means there is a delay. Democrats said to vote by mail and republicans encouraged in-person voting. So if you count in-person first, the states will always be red first then turn blue (if there are more democrat votes). This is what it was supposed to look like.
(1) It was a magical event, because the SAME POLLSTERS who predicted a few states would win which are also predicted Texas would flip blue, Florida would be won by Biden by 6 points, etc. They also predicted these few contested states would be in the 3% or higher range for Biden, but at least 2 to 4 are heading into automatic recounts because the gap is less than 1/2%. How can you say "It was predicted" when so many of the predictions were wrong? A blind pig finds an acorn in the mud now and then. However, the fact that the shenanigans being witnessed happen to be only in the states that "magically" won -- with ballots delivered at 4AM with nobody able to say where they came from, and not a single one for Trump -- should be a red flag that there's a reason these states managed to barely get enough votes for Biden to claim victory when other states could not.
(2) Each state, MI, PA, and GA, stopped counting as soon as the totals were showing 80-90% of precincts reporting and Trump was in the lead, The states where Biden was leading never stopped. This difference is because you can't let Trump get so far ahead that the "new ballots" would stick out as an obvious fraud. So, they stopped, lied that no more counting would happen until 10AM, yet just 2-3 hours later the numbers for Biden went up over 10K votes! How does that happen? Magic?
The Trump team has witnesses with signed affidavits outlining several instances of fraud, including backdating late ballots and moving machines where nobody could watch the count.
Also, the PA rule change allowing up to 3 days after election day and allowing mismatched signatures is about to be tossed. Only the state legislature can make the rules for a presidential election. In this case the Gov couldn't make that happen, so he asked the state supreme court to intervene. THAT COURT said the late and incorrectly signed ballots could be counted. The Constitution says otherwise. So, all those late ballots in PA are going to be thrown out. Based on the facts I see, I'd make a bet on that.
Anyway, we have a thread for election cheating. I'll finish at this point. Nothing is as it should "look like" when you consider how far outside the norms these vote totals strayed. The polls were designed to suppress the Trump vote. If those are your evidence, then you're out of gas.
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When trump won in 2016, Trump voters did say boooyah. And you lost get over it. But now they are acting like the democrats in 2016..... its quite funny to watch.
You're train of thought is incorrect. The MAJOR difference is the cheating in 2020 election. If it was an honest election, then fine. But it wasn't. Add in for 4 years the fake news airs almost all negative things about Trump. To me, that's interference. There are very simple minded people in the nation who after hearing the same stuff for 4 years, will believe what they're told. And if the fake news did report anything positive, it was a short 10 second clip so they can say that they did report it. So fact checkers can say that it was reported.
Then the social media censorship that you claim doesn't happen (Mrgunsngear got deleted recently).
Last I checked, Trump supporters were not rioting, assaulting people, spitting on police since Biden allegedly got the electoral voted needed to win. Vids I saw where of Trump supporters praying in front of counting buildings.
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(1) It was a magical event, because the SAME POLLSTERS who predicted a few states would win which are also predicted Texas would flip blue, Florida would be won by Biden by 6 points, etc. They also predicted these few contested states would be in the 3% or higher range for Biden, but at least 2 to 4 are heading into automatic recounts because the gap is less than 1/2%. How can you say "It was predicted" when so many of the predictions were wrong? A blind pig finds an acorn in the mud now and then. However, the fact that the shenanigans being witnessed happen to be only in the states that "magically" won -- with ballots delivered at 4AM with nobody able to say where they came from, and not a single one for Trump -- should be a red flag that there's a reason these states managed to barely get enough votes for Biden to claim victory when other states could not.
Not all predictions are correct? The prediction wasn't my main point...That's why I said (if more democrats)...The prediction I was talking about was that states would be red first and MAYBE go blue.
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True, its not a direct comparison. But the states flipping was not a magical event. It was said to happen before the election. Many of those states mandated that mail-in votes not be counted or processed early. This means there is a delay. Democrats said to vote by mail and republicans encouraged in-person voting. So if you count in-person first, the states will always be red first then turn blue (if there are more democrat votes). This is what it was supposed to look like.
It is magic when the line graphs show a vertical spike. Even in blue states where majority of the voters voted Biden, there was no vertical spike.
Since day 1, Trump has been against mail in ballots because it's easier to cheat. There are many examples of how. Nursing home nurse arrested for filling out many ballots, ballots trashed, someone "helping" an old lady fill out a ballot, etc... And then add in all the dead people voting.
For those who support mail in ballots, I want them to mail themselves their entire savings account balance in cash. The mail is secure right, so should be no problem. Unless you only got $200 in your savings, then never mind. And on the same thought, people should be allowed to order a firearm thru the mail too.
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Not all predictions are correct? The prediction wasn't my main point...That's why I said (if more democrats)...The prediction I was talking about was that states would be red first and MAYBE go blue.
That theory does make sense. Trump supporters prefer to vote in person and anti trump would be OK with mail in voting. But to see the spikes is not possible unless there was cheating.
Did you know Pelosi and Feinsteins husband have an interest in the ballot counting software. How were those contracts awarded? Sure neither husband had a play in the contract right.
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You're train of thought is incorrect. The MAJOR difference is the cheating in 2020 election. If it was an honest election, then fine. But it wasn't. Add in for 4 years the fake news airs almost all negative things about Trump. To me, that's interference. There are very simple minded people in the nation who after hearing the same stuff for 4 years, will believe what they're told. And if the fake news did report anything positive, it was a short 10 second clip so they can say that they did report it. So fact checkers can say that it was reported.
Then the social media censorship that you claim doesn't happen (Mrgunsngear got deleted recently).
Last I checked, Trump supporters were not rioting, assaulting people, spitting on police since Biden allegedly got the electoral voted needed to win. Vids I saw where of Trump supporters praying in front of counting buildings.
Russia had "interference" too, as did the mainstream anti trump media. I think either or, its up to the citizens. The end result is what matters. I told the democrats to get over loss, and I tell the republicans the same. In 2016 there was no tangible (excessive) fraud. Just like it looks like 2020 there is no tangible (excessive) fraud.
I am starting to think there is censorship of 2a and I find it sad. It was more plausible it was not targeted but I think for guns this may be the exception to the case. This is not where we should be heading and there should be a correction. I think social media and the internet is going in the wrong direction.
Never said anything bad about trump supporters other than they should accept the results. Extreme left democrats are bad we all agree on that. But doesn't mean the republicans have to fall that low also.
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That theory does make sense. Trump supporters prefer to vote in person and anti trump would be OK with mail in voting. But to see the spikes is not possible unless there was cheating.
Did you know Pelosi and Feinsteins husband have an interest in the ballot counting software. How were those contracts awarded? Sure neither husband had a play in the contract right.
It is magic when the line graphs show a vertical spike. Even in blue states where majority of the voters voted Biden, there was no vertical spike.
Since day 1, Trump has been against mail in ballots because it's easier to cheat. There are many examples of how. Nursing home nurse arrested for filling out many ballots, ballots trashed, someone "helping" an old lady fill out a ballot, etc... And then add in all the dead people voting.
For those who support mail in ballots, I want them to mail themselves their entire savings account balance in cash. The mail is secure right, so should be no problem. Unless you only got $200 in your savings, then never mind. And on the same thought, people should be allowed to order a firearm thru the mail too.
Its how it was counted and how they release results. Its in batches. Because trump was against in mail voting and democrats pushed it hard. A decent majority of votes for mail in voting will be blue. Now you add to the fact they counted the big cities which are already blue last because of population constraints, you get a massive blue push.
I did not know that, but I doubt there is any issues. Everything has a paper backup. I am sure if I looked I would find republicans that own political things too.
People do order firearms through the mail, I am getting many delivered to my FFL lol. I vote every year through the mail, I order most of my supplies through the mail and actually prefer USPS.
There is always some fraud, but there is no evidence of major or organized fraud, or more than previous years. This is America, voting is part of our rights. We should make it easier and more convenient, not less.
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It is magic when the line graphs show a vertical spike. Even in blue states where majority of the voters voted Biden, there was no vertical spike.
Since day 1, Trump has been against mail in ballots because it's easier to cheat. There are many examples of how. Nursing home nurse arrested for filling out many ballots, ballots trashed, someone "helping" an old lady fill out a ballot, etc... And then add in all the dead people voting.
For those who support mail in ballots, I want them to mail themselves their entire savings account balance in cash. The mail is secure right, so should be no problem. Unless you only got $200 in your savings, then never mind. And on the same thought, people should be allowed to order a firearm thru the mail too.
Don't tempt the OmniGambler! He'll do it just for the educational value! :rofl: :geekdanc:
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If one searches hard enough, you'll find Bernie supporters had been pushing the same doubts as now. Just it wasn't getting coverage. Wonder why. . .
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Its how it was counted and how they release results. Its in batches. Because trump was against in mail voting and democrats pushed it hard. A decent majority of votes for mail in voting will be blue. Now you add to the fact they counted the big cities which are already blue last because of population constraints, you get a massive blue push.
People do order firearms through the mail, I am getting many delivered to my FFL lol. I vote every year through the mail, I order most of my supplies through the mail and actually prefer USPS.
I meant when ordering a firearm, it comes to your home or office, not mailed to a FFL.
Math experts reviewed the vertical spikes and even they said it's statistically impossible.
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Not all predictions are correct? The prediction wasn't my main point...That's why I said (if more democrats)...The prediction I was talking about was that states would be red first and MAYBE go blue.
that's not what you said...
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Don't tempt the OmniGambler! He'll do it just for the educational value! :rofl: :geekdanc:
Hope he uses my address. And in return, I'll send a picture of that days newspaper under the cash. :rofl:
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Russia had "interference" too, as did the mainstream anti trump media. I think either or, its up to the citizens. The end result is what matters. I told the democrats to get over loss, and I tell the republicans the same. In 2016 there was no tangible (excessive) fraud. Just like it looks like 2020 there is no tangible (excessive) fraud.
I am starting to think there is censorship of 2a and I find it sad. It was more plausible it was not targeted but I think for guns this may be the exception to the case. This is not where we should be heading and there should be a correction. I think social media and the internet is going in the wrong direction.
Never said anything bad about trump supporters other than they should accept the results. Extreme left democrats are bad we all agree on that. But doesn't mean the republicans have to fall that low also.
I know you're not very old, but you need to STFU until you look at the reality of history.
After Bush was called as the winner of Florida, which in 2000 became THE one state that gave him the Presidency, the DEMOCRATS ran to court the next day to demand all kinds of crap, including recounts in specific "contested" counties. That crap went on until mid-December.
Once the counting of ONLY DEMOCRAT-LEANING COUNTIES started, and the same exclusion of GOP poll watchers craps ensued, then the "hanging chads" and "butterfly ballots" issues arose. The Dems eventually got to a point where Gore was ahead, and the MEDIA immediately called the state for him and declared him President-Elect.
Gore maintained the title President elect for weeks, until the Supreme Court stepped in and stopped the ridiculous recounts. They said, either recount EVERY VOTE in the state, or recount NO VOTES, the election became a quagmire of total confusion, which is what Dems wanted and needed to steal the election. They knew a full recount would be futile for Gore, so they conceded the race. Bush became President-Elect much to the Main Stream Democrat Medias disgust.
We live in a CONSTITUTIONAL nation, not a MEDIA CONTROLLED nation. The media does not get to say when the vote count is official. States do that. And at least 2 states have deadlines the first week of December to certify the election results. In the meantime, automatic recounts will happen.
Once the certified votes are in, THEN recounts can be requested by candidates. Depending on the state and circumstances, the campaign may have to pay for the recount. Once all challenges are satisfied, THEN the media can make their proclamations based on official state results.
HOWEVER, that doesn't mean that's the end of the story. The electors in each state have to go to Congress and cast their official electoral votes. Just like in 2016, electors may decide to break with the election results and cast votes for another candidate. Given the corruption being not-reported on the Biden crime family, it's extremely possible for an elector to decide to switch to Trump. They might also switch if they believe the state ran a shady election, and they wish to send a message to clean up their act. We can't predict what they might do, so to say Biden is President-Elect because the media said so is naive, if not stupid. You're giving more credibility to the media than they have earned.
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that's not what you said...
I don’t remember states flipping to trump 4 days after Election Day. To compare the two is disingenuous.
True, its not a direct comparison. But the states flipping was not a magical event. It was said to happen before the election. Many of those states mandated that mail-in votes not be counted or processed early. This means there is a delay. Democrats said to vote by mail and republicans encouraged in-person voting. So if you count in-person first, the states will always be red first then turn blue (if there are more democrat votes). This is what it was supposed to look like.
#focus
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I meant when ordering a firearm, it comes to your home or office, not mailed to a FFL.
Math experts reviewed the vertical spikes and even they said it's statistically impossible.
What's the difference between mail to ffl or home? Only difference is receiver.... you still trust the same mail system. I would trust sending firearms to myself if I legally could do so.
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What's the difference between mail to ffl or home? Only difference is receiver.... you still trust the same mail system. I would trust sending firearms to myself if I legally could do so.
The diff is 1 is where you live, and the other is someone else's place of business. Would you trust mailing yourself thousands of dollars in cash? Or would you rather mail yourself a check or to a wire type transfer?
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The diff is 1 is where you live, and the other is someone else's place of business. Would you trust mailing yourself thousands of dollars in cash? Or would you rather mail yourself a check or to a wire type transfer?
We might be going too deep in the rabbit hole but, not all FFL's are in a "place of business". To my knowledge there doesn't appear to major differences in where a package is delivered. You are not supposed to send cash, but I have sent money orders for purchases before, which is the same as cash. And these in the 1000$ range. And yes I would rather use the internet (wire type). But I still trust mail.
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To avoid a echo chamber, I will be posting some stories not showing fraud. I may make a new thread as we have a fraud thread already. But since this will probably be a minority discussion I am putting it in this thread for now.
https://www.technologyreview.com/2020/11/01/1011519/election-voter-fraud-claims-bad-science-polling/
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-53353404
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We might be going too deep in the rabbit hole but, not all FFL's are in a "place of business". To my knowledge there doesn't appear to major differences in where a package is delivered. You are not supposed to send cash, but I have sent money orders for purchases before, which is the same as cash. And these in the 1000$ range. And yes I would rather use the internet (wire type). But I still trust mail.
A money order is not cash. If it is lost, it can be reissued. So would you send thousands in CASH to yourself? Say you hit a jackpot in Vegas worth $40,000. Would you mail it to your mailbox?
Even if a FFL is not in a place of business, they are definitely not your home or your office. So what you're saying doesn't apply.
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A money order is not cash. If it is lost, it can be reissued. So would you send thousands in CASH to yourself? Say you hit a jackpot in Vegas worth $40,000. Would you mail it to your mailbox?
Even if a FFL is not in a place of business, they are definitely not your home or your office. So what you're saying doesn't apply.
It isn't cash? I thought anyone can cash it so if you found it on the street its like having a check addressed to cash. If I did win the lotto and there was no way to send the money back other than mail, yes I would mail it to myself. I am not saying mail is 100%, but 99.9% reliable. I would also choose the better way within reason, If the convenience outweighed the risk I would do mail. For example I win the lotto of 10k but if I want to 100% it, I would have to fly up and spend 2,000$ on tickets and luggage. Or send that in the mail with tracking. I would choose the mail.
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It isn't cash? I thought anyone can cash it so if you found it on the street its like having a check addressed to cash. If I did win the lotto and there was no way to send the money back other than mail, yes I would mail it to myself. I am not saying mail is 100%, but 99.9% reliable. I would also choose the better way within reason, If the convenience outweighed the risk I would do mail. For example I win the lotto of 10k but if I want to 100% it, I would have to fly up and spend 2,000$ on tickets and luggage. Or send that in the mail with tracking. I would choose the mail.
If you can issue a stop-payment on a cashier's check before it's cashed, you can prevent the theft. After it's cashed, the only way it won't be honored by the issuing bank is if it was altered.
Cashier's checks are made out to a specific party, usually a company with your account number and so on. Finding that on the street would require you to have credentials proving you are the named payee, or you'd have to alter the check to add your name.
If you're stupid enough to put your real name on an altered cashier's check, you're taking a huge gamble! :geekdanc:
A money order, however, IS similar to cash as long as you left the name field blank when you lost it, or if you filled in the name of the scammer (fake-ID-holding scammer).
But, as with bank checks/cashier's checks, a money order can be canceled if you call customer service and verify it has not been cashed. You can expect to wait up to 8 weeks for a refund or newly issued money order (your choice). You will also be charged a cancellation fee.
it really is important to understand what types of financial instruments exist and how they work -- not only in the majority of cases, but also in "what if" cases like theft, scams, lost instruments or just wanting to cancel. Many of these services are available online, just like paypal.
Yes, these services can charge a fee, but so does PayPal -- unless you're a cheap, lowlife, no-integrity bastard who chooses to lie to PayPal about the nature of the transaction, thereby committing fraud, violating the terms of service, and bypassing the very fraud protections for which most people choose to use PayPal.
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If you can issue a stop-payment on a cashier's check before it's cashed, you can prevent the theft. After it's cashed, the only way it won't be honored by the issuing bank is if it was altered.
Cashier's checks are made out to a specific party, usually a company with your account number and so on. Finding that on the street would require you to have credentials proving you are the named payee, or you'd have to alter the check to add your name.
If you're stupid enough to put your real name on an altered cashier's check, you're taking a huge gamble! :geekdanc:
Interesting. What about a USPS money order? I mostly used those. The one you pay cash to usps.
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It isn't cash? I thought anyone can cash it so if you found it on the street its like having a check addressed to cash. If I did win the lotto and there was no way to send the money back other than mail, yes I would mail it to myself. I am not saying mail is 100%, but 99.9% reliable. I would also choose the better way within reason, If the convenience outweighed the risk I would do mail. For example I win the lotto of 10k but if I want to 100% it, I would have to fly up and spend 2,000$ on tickets and luggage. Or send that in the mail with tracking. I would choose the mail.
All money transfer methods are available. Mail cash, wire, make a cashiers check, make a money order, casino check, etc...
Its obvious youre avoiding saying you wont mail yourself 40k in cash. Thank you for proving my point about the mail.
And no money orders are not cash. They are bought with cash. I hope you didnt get scammed via money order. "Here i sent u too much, please deposit this and wire me the difference".
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All money transfer methods are available. Mail cash, wire, make a cashiers check, make a money order, casino check, etc...
Its obvious youre avoiding saying you wont mail yourself 40k in cash. Thank you for proving my point about the mail.
And no money orders are not cash. They are bought with cash. I hope you didnt get scammed via money order. "Here i sent u too much, please deposit this and wire me the difference".
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can't believe you knuckleheads are arguing over something like this. . .
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Interesting. What about a money order? I mostly used those. The one you pay cash to usps.
Thats called a postal money order vs. a western union money order that foodland sells.
It still isnt "cash".
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can't believe you knuckleheads are arguing over something like this. . .
Im informing someone who doesnt understand what cash is. And hopefully preventing him from getting scammed again or in the future.
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Im informing someone who doesnt understand what cash is. And hopefully preventing him from getting scammed again or in the future.
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I’ll settle this. Send me the cash, MO, etc and I’ll let you know what “works”. ;D
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Im informing someone who doesnt understand what cash is. And hopefully preventing him from getting scammed again or in the future.
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Lol, yeah I've taken risks on those but so far got the gun every time.
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bitcoin?
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Lol, yeah I've taken risks on those but so far got the gun every time.
every time except one
that you've told us about...
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Clickable link:
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/11/breaking-exclusive-system-glitch-also-uncovered-wisconsin-reversal-19032-votes-removes-lead-joe-biden/
We’ve reported on numerous events identified in the 2020 election already which are being
referred to as ‘glitches’ by the Democrats. Tonight we just uncovered another ‘glitch’ in Wisconsin.
When this one is confirmed it will result in a 19,500 vote gain for Trump making the Wisconsin
race a total toss-up.
Then in Pennsylvania a ‘glitch’ was uncovered where nearly 20,000 votes were moved from President Trump
to Biden.
When this is confirmed it will result Biden’s lead being cut by 40,000 votes in Pennsylvania bringing this race
back to even.
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What worries me is that there will be recounts based on these "toss-up" numbers. How can we trust a recount when the original count was so screwed up?
It's like suing over horrible service and being awarded free services for a year from that company as a settlement. :wtf:
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Remember what Joe Biden did to Supreme Court Nominee Clarence Thomas?
Remember what Kamala Harris did to Supreme Court Nominee Brett Kavanaugh?
It will be delicious if the Supreme Court rules Trump won due to excessive irregularities on the part of several state election processes and many witness statements claiming fraud.
Stop the counting.
Trump has just been reelected.
Go look up the definition of "karma."
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can't believe you knuckleheads are arguing over something like this. . .
There are legit escrow services that anyone can use to secure a transaction. The buyer sends the money to escrow. Escrow verifies the funds arrived and are good. The seller sends the item(s) to the FFL or to the buyer directly. Once the goods are verified in the possession of the buyer the escrow company releases the funds to the seller. Very much the same way escrow works for home purchases. Since escrow services secures the transaction for both seller and buyer an honest seller would not balk at using an escrow service. But a scammer certainly would. So in the case of purchasing something from an unknown seller all one has to do is to “suggest” using an escrow service to the seller to secure the transaction. If they are a scammer they will argue with you about it or you will never hear from them again. If they are for real they have no argument against using the service. Even if the seller agrees to use escrow, it might just be enough of a “test” to see if the seller is honest. In that case you may decide not to use the escrow service if after they accept you feel the seller is on the up and up. The nice thing about using an escrow service is that they can enforce any 2 or 3 day inspection period for returns as well.
There are such easy ways of preventing oneself from being ripped off it is laughable. And the stupid thing about this is that you can Google how not to get ripped off from a dishonest seller.
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There are legit escrow services that anyone can use to secure a transaction. The buyer sends the money to escrow. Escrow verifies the funds arrived and are good. The seller sends the item(s) to the FFL or to the buyer directly. Once the goods are verified in the possession of the buyer the escrow company releases the funds to the seller. Very much the same way escrow works for home purchases. Since escrow services secures the transaction for both seller and buyer an honest seller would not balk at using an escrow service. But a scammer certainly would. So in the case of purchasing something from an unknown seller all one has to do is to “suggest” using an escrow service to the seller to secure the transaction. If they are a scammer they will argue with you about it or you will never hear from them again. If they are for real they have no argument against using the service. Even if the seller agrees to use escrow, it might just be enough of a “test” to see if the seller is honest. In that case you may decide not to use the escrow service if after they accept you feel the seller is on the up and up. The nice thing about using an escrow service is that they can enforce any 2 or 3 day inspection period for returns as well.
There are such easy ways of preventing oneself from being ripped off it is laughable. And the stupid thing about this is that you can Google how not to get ripped off from a dishonest seller.
As I mentioned to him, if he verified the FFL (easy enough to do on the ATF site and by calling them), the FFL makes a perfect "escrow" service.
Just have the seller deliver the firearm to the FFL. They contact you that the firearm has been verified as being the one expected and is ready to ship. You then make payment to the seller. Once he's satisfied the payment was received, he green-lights the FFL to put the firearm in transit.
Not really complicated at all, and the FFL isn't doing that much more than they would normally have to do in a transaction -- just notifying the buyer they have the gun, then waiting for confirmation you paid before shipping. Really hard to mess that up as long as you verify the FFL and are careful any caller IDs and emails look perfectly legit. If you feel nervous, call the FFL's number listed on the ATF's list of FFLs, or get it from a third party website, like a yellow pages site or from that county's business licensing office. Any number of ways to look up a company's info apart from trusting the info being sent to you by a stranger wanting your money. Hell, just Google the FFL's name/business. That should show a bunch of references with contact info if they are legit.
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As I mentioned to him, if he verified the FFL (easy enough to do on the ATF site and by calling them), the FFL makes a perfect "escrow" service.
Just have the seller deliver the firearm to the FFL. They contact you that the firearm has been verified as being the one expected and is ready to ship. You then make payment to the seller. Once he's satisfied the payment was received, he green-lights the FFL to put the firearm in transit.
Not really complicated at all, and the FFL isn't doing that much more than they would normally have to do in a transaction -- just notifying the buyer they have the gun, then waiting for confirmation you paid before shipping. Really hard to mess that up as long as you verify the FFL and are careful any caller IDs and emails look perfectly legit. If you feel nervous, call the FFL's number listed on the ATF's list of FFLs, or get it from a third party website, like a yellow pages site or from that county's business licensing office. Any number of ways to look up a company's info apart from trusting the info being sent to you by a stranger wanting your money. Hell, just Google the FFL's name/business. That should show a bunch of references with contact info if they are legit.
I have stopped reading a lot of the posts here. I grow weary easily of all the BS that is going on in these threads. Actually, it is just a handful of particular users and their discussions that I have stopped reading. I am spending less time on forums , FB etc and more time communicating with people I know in other apps and platforms. Also, I am making some major changes in my real estate holdings (I’m doing a 1031 exchange) so I have been busy taking care of that business. So I didn’t know you had said this to him. If I had I probably would not have even written what I did. I don’t buy guns from individuals over the Internet. I buy C&R surplus from legit FFL’s and businesses using my FFL. Or if I am buying something expensive I only do face to face so I can examine the gun myself. I don’t put my hard earned dollars at risk.
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Tucker Carlson Says There's Not Enough Fraud to Change Election Results: 'We Should Be Honest'
https://www.newsweek.com/tucker-carlson-election-fraud-may-not-alter-outcome-1546252?fbclid=IwAR2OziUqmUnIfzskU8Ll--Anw4ujIsrFX7VzwRB_J_Ek1soKNKIiZmsGSoc
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Tucker Carlson Says There's Not Enough Fraud to Change Election Results: 'We Should Be Honest'
https://www.newsweek.com/tucker-carlson-election-fraud-may-not-alter-outcome-1546252?fbclid=IwAR2OziUqmUnIfzskU8Ll--Anw4ujIsrFX7VzwRB_J_Ek1soKNKIiZmsGSoc
The people that "should be honest" are you and the headline writers at "Newsweek".
Can you tell the difference between the headline:
"Tucker Carlson Says There's Not Enough Fraud to Change Election Results: 'We Should Be Honest'"
and the actual quote from Carlson (emphasis added)?:
"At this stage, the fraud that we can confirm does not seem to be enough to alter the election result. We should be honest and tell you that. Of course, that could change."
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I see talk about dead people voting in the other thread so
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/11/08/fact-check-false-claim-14-k-dead-people-voted-michigan/6201900002/
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OG - You need to take some time and actually READ and try to comprehend the article that you post. . .
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Tucker Carlson Says There's Not Enough Fraud to Change Election Results: 'We Should Be Honest'
https://www.newsweek.com/tucker-carlson-election-fraud-may-not-alter-outcome-1546252?fbclid=IwAR2OziUqmUnIfzskU8Ll--Anw4ujIsrFX7VzwRB_J_Ek1soKNKIiZmsGSoc
the greater issue:
"But changing the election results is not the whole point. The real point is that fraud took place, and that should horrify us. If you want people to believe that our system is real, that our system is worth say joining the military and dying to protect, then you've got to get to the bottom of what just happened and you've got to do it as quickly and responsibly as you can. You can't have fraud in an election because then no one will believe in elections and then things fall apart."
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the greater issue:
"But changing the election results is not the whole point. The real point is that fraud took place, and that should horrify us. If you want people to believe that our system is real, that our system is worth say joining the military and dying to protect, then you've got to get to the bottom of what just happened and you've got to do it as quickly and responsibly as you can. You can't have fraud in an election because then no one will believe in elections and then things fall apart."
Yes fraud is bad. Fix the fraud. I am not arguing against that. Its that there is no deepstate democrat uber corruption stealing elections. Or at least no evidence of widespread organized fraud.
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Yes fraud is bad. Fix the fraud. I am not arguing against that. Its that there is no deepstate democrat uber corruption stealing elections. Or at least no evidence of widespread organized fraud.
Yeah, you're right. It looks like, at this point, that there is accumulating a great deal of evidence of widespread disorganized fraud. What else could be expected from Democrats?
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Yes fraud is bad. Fix the fraud. I am not arguing against that. Its that there is no deepstate democrat uber corruption stealing elections. Or at least no evidence of widespread organized fraud.
That's what the DS wants you to think. Mission accomplished. LMK if you want to buy a tin foil hat. $100 via paypal please.
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Or at least no evidence of widespread organized fraud.
I still want to know what you think about all the videos and other evidence posted so far.
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CLAIM: Donald Trump's claims of election fraud are unsubstantiated and baseless.
FACT CHECK: Our researchers have concluded the above claim is FALSE and MISLEADING.
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I still want to know what you think about all the videos and other evidence posted so far.
Some are fake, some are misleading, some have merit. But nothing that would influence the election results. Also I can't judge authenticity, hence waiting for courts to decide. So much fake news, if it can't pass the courts, than its probably not real. You can accuse someone of murder all you want but until you prove it beyond a reasonable doubt they are innocent.
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Another big problem with pre-election fraud was all the wrong polls. Those polls do not just suppress/increase voter turnout (my guy is going to lose -- no need to vote; my guy is winning -- I'll be glad to wait in line to vote for him just to add my voice).
Polls are also used by parties and candidates to raise funds. In SC, Sen Graham's challenger was predicted by polls to be even with Graham. The challenger and his party (D) used the polls to raise funds for the campaign. Nobody wants to waste their donations on a campaign that can't possibly win. The money, in turn, helps the candidate's changes. Self-licking ice cream cone.
The outcome? Even though Jaime Harrison raised a record $100M in the election cycle, Graham was called as the winner with just 46% of the vote reporting. With nearly all votes counted in the race now, Graham 54.5%, while Harrison received 44.2%. Not exactly the "toss-up" fund raisers and pollsters were predicting. :rofl:
10.3 points is not a small number. That's a difference of 258,321 votes.
This is why polling will continue to favor Democrats. It interferes with election day voting, and dishonestly convinces donors to write checks.
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Some are fake, some are misleading, some have merit. But nothing that would influence the election results. Also I can't judge authenticity, hence waiting for courts to decide. So much fake news, if it can't pass the courts, than its probably not real. You can accuse someone of murder all you want but until you prove it beyond a reasonable doubt they are innocent.
There is no way for you to know that. Unless the guilty parties confess and provide documentation, you'll NEVER know the full extent of the election meddling. But, you don't need all that.
The media is doing something you obviously have adopted. They/you continue to harp on "election fraud" only, excluding documented incidents of voting machine malfunctions flipping red votes to blue, counting and reporting errors, irregularities, process violations, state supreme courts acting as the legislature, and blocking GOP observers.
These don't have to be labeled "fraud" for the vote totals that resulted to be deemed invalid. Add all those instances together, and you'll have enough votes to destroy any lead Biden had.
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That's what the DS wants you to think. Mission accomplished. LMK if you want to buy a tin foil hat. $100 via paypal please.
Wave off OG! Wave off!
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Yes fraud is bad. Fix the fraud. I am not arguing against that. Its that there is no deepstate democrat uber corruption stealing elections. Or at least no evidence of widespread organized fraud.
what did you think of Trump-Russia collusion interference?
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The biggest fake news I've seen so far is the news that claim there is zero evidence.
They should in fact claim that Trump's team has presented some troubling evidence which will depend on the courts to decide upon.
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what did you think of Trump-Russia collusion interference?
Fakka, quiet. No bring that up to him. Gonna have to start a new thread.
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what did you think of Trump-Russia collusion interference?
It was bad but not election changing. Aka Hillary lost, Trump won.
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https://youtu.be/pzPxF46PxG4
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It was bad but not election changing. Aka Hillary lost, Trump won.
what / how did Russians interfere? Do you think they did the same in 2020?
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https://twitter.com/marceelias/status/1326345253360635904
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what / how did Russians interfere? Do you think they did the same in 2020?
Spreading false info and fake news. Yes they did in 2020.
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Spreading false info and fake news. Yes they did in 2020.
Many countries do it. Why single out Russia?
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Many countries do it. Why single out Russia?
He asked me about Russia, its true many countries do and Russia is one of the main culprits/adversaries, along with Iran, North Korea, China.
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He asked me about Russia, its true many countries do and Russia is one of the main culprits/adversaries, along with Iran, North Korea, China.
Ohhh snap, here we go on the side note. Russia doesn't benefit from Trump winning. The status quo was already set with Clinton and her type of politicians over the years. Trump throws a wrench in it. He's a no non-sense type of guy and wants a stronger military.
*Last comment on the above no matter what for me. Don't want to derail the thread.
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Ohhh snap, here we go on the side note. Russia doesn't benefit from Trump winning. The status quo was already set with Clinton and her type of politicians over the years. Trump throws a wrench in it. He's a no non-sense type of guy and wants a stronger military.
*Last comment on the above no matter what for me. Don't want to derail the thread.
It is already a proven scientific fact that Russia was in the tank for Hilary and wanted her to win in 2016. Why would they not be for Biden to win? They know they won’t get anything from Trump since they have gotten nothing from him in the last 4 years and they know can buy Biden and his family from past experience.
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Ohhh snap, here we go on the side note. Russia doesn't benefit from Trump winning. The status quo was already set with Clinton and her type of politicians over the years. Trump throws a wrench in it. He's a no non-sense type of guy and wants a stronger military.
*Last comment on the above no matter what for me. Don't want to derail the thread.
That's is EXACTLY what I've been preaching. A competitor wouldn't want a nationalist for a US President. They want a sellout like Clinton or Biden. All these country leaders who are prematurely congratulating Biden are waiting to take candy from a baby.
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That's is EXACTLY what I've been preaching. A competitor wouldn't want a nationalist for a US President. They want a sellout like Clinton or Biden. All these country leaders who are prematurely congratulating Biden are waiting to take candy from a baby.
Just remember, there is absolute proof via the FBI that the dossier paid for by Clinton and DNC and used as evidence against Trump and his campaign has verified that most of the information provided in the dossier is Russian disinformation. Whoops! The truth is hard to take sometimes. :rofl:
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I tried really hard to not comment on the derailment but as 2 others did. And I can't let this fake news win. Russia loves trump, Trump is Russias friend, he looks up to put like a dog looks up to his master. Trump idolizes Putin, its obvious from the interactions. Russia doesn't fear the US as we don't fight back against them as much. The EU doesnt have USA's full backing to stop Russia. Look at the nerve poisoning, Russia paying for dead USA soldiers, Syrian war to name a few. Russia knows with the USA and trump he can get away with things. Although its not only about Trump, Russia just wants to sow chaos, I don't think they are overly invested in any particular outcome.
Like Oil, I will try not to reply to all the angry people, because I insulted trump. Lets get back on topic.
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I tried really hard to not comment on the derailment but as 2 others did. And I can't let this fake news win. Russia loves trump, Trump is Russias friend, he looks up to put like a dog looks up to his master. Trump idolizes Putin, its obvious from the interactions. Russia doesn't fear the US as we don't fight back against them as much. The EU doesnt have USA's full backing to stop Russia. Look at the nerve poisoning. Russia knows with the USA and trump he can get away with things. Although its not only about Trump, Russia just wants to sow chaos, I don't think they are overly invested in any particular outcome.
Like Oil, I will try not to reply to all the angry people, because I insulted trump. Lets get back on topic.
Prove what you just said. I provided proof you are a liar so go ahead. Opinions and feelings don’t count. Show some proof.
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I tried really hard to not comment on the derailment but as 2 others did. And I can't let this fake news win. Russia loves trump, Trump is Russias friend, he looks up to put like a dog looks up to his master. Trump idolizes Putin, its obvious from the interactions. Russia doesn't fear the US as we don't fight back against them as much. The EU doesnt have USA's full backing to stop Russia. Look at the nerve poisoning, Russia paying for dead USA soldiers, Syrian war to name a few. Russia knows with the USA and trump he can get away with things. Although its not only about Trump, Russia just wants to sow chaos, I don't think they are overly invested in any particular outcome.
Like Oil, I will try not to reply to all the angry people, because I insulted trump. Lets get back on topic.
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I know. I know. He has no control over his emotions. :rofl:
Typical Millennial.
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I tried really hard to not comment on the derailment but as 2 others did. And I can't let this fake news win. Russia loves trump, Trump is Russias friend, he looks up to put like a dog looks up to his master. Trump idolizes Putin, its obvious from the interactions. Russia doesn't fear the US as we don't fight back against them as much. The EU doesnt have USA's full backing to stop Russia. Look at the nerve poisoning, Russia paying for dead USA soldiers, Syrian war to name a few. Russia knows with the USA and trump he can get away with things. Although its not only about Trump, Russia just wants to sow chaos, I don't think they are overly invested in any particular outcome.
Like Oil, I will try not to reply to all the angry people, because I insulted trump. Lets get back on topic.
BULLSHIT.
Russia does not love Trump.
Russia hates the US.
An easy way to move the US toward destruction is plant seeds of division.
By bringing the results of the election into question due to "foreign interference," it creates doubt in the system's and the government's ability to prevent it.
Russia, China, etc are not trying to support a single candidate. They are trying to create conflict and division between ALL VOTERS.
Congratulations! You think Russia is helping Trump. You are officially a useful idiot for the Russian and Chinese governments.
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I tried really hard to not comment on the derailment but as 2 others did. And I can't let this fake news win. Russia loves trump, Trump is Russias friend, he looks up to put like a dog looks up to his master. Trump idolizes Putin, its obvious from the interactions. Russia doesn't fear the US as we don't fight back against them as much. The EU doesnt have USA's full backing to stop Russia. Look at the nerve poisoning, Russia paying for dead USA soldiers, Syrian war to name a few. Russia knows with the USA and trump he can get away with things. Although its not only about Trump, Russia just wants to sow chaos, I don't think they are overly invested in any particular outcome.
Like Oil, I will try not to reply to all the angry people, because I insulted trump. Lets get back on topic.
Bullshit. You didn’t try hard at all. Once again you lie like you have from the time you started on this board. Keep your word and you are not a liar. What you are really showing is how immature you are. Oh I tried REAL HARD. Bullshit you didn’t try at all. You obviously cannot control your emotions. Typical of how you were raised. It’s too bad your parents didn’t do a better job with you. The issue as I see it is that you are typical of your generation. That means there are more of you on this planet and you are going to reproduce and create little Omni’s that are going to grow up to be as immature as you are because that is what you are going to teach them. The biggest concern is that you know you are immature and don’t care. You know you are lying when you say you are going to cut back on posting but you just couldn’t control yourself. But you tried real hard. Yeah right. Everyone here sees through your lies dude. They see how immature you are. I for one am getting pretty sick of your lying and immaturity. I prefer to have conversations with adults. Which obviously you have not grown up enough yet to be one.
Who cares if I say something that is undeniable and you cannot prove otherwise that contradicts how you feel? Why do you care so much that you have to act like a 2 year old in front of everyone here? Why are you not able to control your emotions and your actions? What’s next? You may need to go anger management classes. It is obvious to most of us you are not mature enough to run with the big dogs. Oh, that’s right, that big old bad BOOMER is exposing my little secrets to the whole world and I have to defend myself. No you don’t. Show some control. Show some maturity. Show some dignity. And SHTF. I was actually proud of you for showing restraint in the amount of posting and the quality of posting you were doing. But that all got thrown out the window when you lied about how hard you tried to stop yourself. Ever hear that old saying about opening your mouth and removing all doubt about how stupid you are? Well, quit opening your mouth.
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I tried really hard to not comment on the derailment but as 2 others did. And I can't let this fake news win. Russia loves trump, Trump is Russias friend, he looks up to put like a dog looks up to his master. Trump idolizes Putin, its obvious from the interactions. Russia doesn't fear the US as we don't fight back against them as much. The EU doesnt have USA's full backing to stop Russia. Look at the nerve poisoning, Russia paying for dead USA soldiers, Syrian war to name a few. Russia knows with the USA and trump he can get away with things. Although its not only about Trump, Russia just wants to sow chaos, I don't think they are overly invested in any particular outcome.
Like Oil, I will try not to reply to all the angry people, because I insulted trump. Lets get back on topic.
Once again, you think you know it all, but have absolutely no idea what the eff you're talking about.
"can't let fake news win"? Who made you the expert. I have yet to see you finish an argument with substance, as opposed to sticking to your beliefs. That's not liberal bashing. That's calling out BS when I see it. . .
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Calling out omni for being illogical and making, sometimes nonsensical, evidence-free assertions:
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Show some control. Show some maturity. Show some dignity. And SHTF.
Sorry Inpector, I think you meant STFU. This made me chuckle.
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Sorry Inpector, I think you meant STFU. This made me chuckle.
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You are correct. I stand corrected. Actually, I wouldn’t be surprised if my spell corrector changed it on me or I am just an idiot! :rofl: Either way I appreciate your catching it. I’ll leave it so others can get a laugh out of it too.
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:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
You are correct. I stand corrected. Actually, I wouldn’t be surprised if my spell corrector changed it on me or I am just an idiot! :rofl: Either way I appreciate your catching it. I’ll leave it so others can get a laugh out of it too.
"SHTF"
I thought you meant Stop Hijacking Topics, F*cker!
Maybe I was projecting? :geekdanc:
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You are correct. I stand corrected. Actually, I wouldn’t be surprised if my spell corrector changed it on me or I am just an idiot! :rofl: Either way I appreciate your catching it. I’ll leave it so others can get a laugh out of it too.
I knew what you meant!
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"SHTF"
I thought you meant Stop Hijacking Topics, F*cker!
Maybe I was projecting? :geekdanc:
SHTF is what is about to happen to America.
Shit Hits The Fan.
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SHTF is what is about to happen to America.
Shit Hits The Fan.
If Trump does manage to win this thing, the rioting and looting and burning will be on an epic scale. But only if you live in certain cities. I doubt you have much to worry about. Neither do I. I think the only thing I am curious about is how many mayors will allow this to occur and for how long? Four days? Four weeks? Four years?
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If Trump does manage to win this thing, the rioting and looting and burning will be on an epic scale. But only if you live in certain cities. I doubt you have much to worry about. Neither do I. I think the only thing I am curious about is how many mayors will allow this to occur and for how long? Four days? Four weeks? Four years?
Blue gov and mayors will allow it. Like theyve been allowing since may.
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Bullshit.
This is like the 2nd or 3rd time, maybe even 4th time I've seen Inspector blatantly calling you out.
You must be special for Inspector to make the posts he does.
He normally doesn't post in this sort of manner.
But others have said the same with no sort of change so.
Keep yourself healthy Inspector
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eL43dp58P3w
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Since this is an opinion thread I'd like say that I'm thankful that President Trump did not concede the election. Things may look a bit dire in terms of his challenges to the election results but I applaud his decision to keep going.
I like to believe that the President is sending a message. A message that he has been saying all along concerning mail-in voting. And that is that mail-in voting compromises the integrity of elections.
And as more and more evidence is revealed, I believe the american public will start thinking about the validity of mail-in voting. As close as this election was, I hope that in the very least the lawsuits will establish that mail-in voting is questionable when it comes to being fair and honest.
To me, a true voter will take the time to learn issues the candidates support, then take the time and make the effort to register before the due date, and go to the polls to cast their vote.
People that need to be catered to just to get their vote to me are just plain lazy. They don't care. I tend to think that their vote will not be well thought out and frivolous. Because again, if these people don't feel it's not worth their time and effort to understand the issues, and then register as a voter and go to the polls, then their vote is useless. Mail-in voting just equates to more meaningless votes.
That is why, if we had the election with absentee voting, regular precincts, and a deadline for registering to vote I believe Trump would have won decisively.
At the end of all this I want President Trump to be remembered as the President who revealed mail-in voting as a f*cken joke.
Again this is only my opinion. No facts known, offered, or implied.
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I believe the American public will start thinking about the validity of mail-in voting.
The liberal media and DNC will not allow that. They know they have created the perfect fraud machine and will protect it viciously.
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Since this is an opinion thread I'd like say that I'm thankful that President Trump did not concede the election. Things may look a bit dire in terms of his challenges to the election results but I applaud his decision to keep going.
I like to believe that the President is sending a message. A message that he has been saying all along concerning mail-in voting. And that is that mail-in voting compromises the integrity of elections.
And as more and more evidence is revealed, I believe the american public will start thinking about the validity of mail-in voting. As close as this election was, I hope that in the very least the lawsuits will establish that mail-in voting is questionable when it comes to being fair and honest.
To me, a true voter will take the time to learn issues the candidates support, then take the time and make the effort to register before the due date, and go to the polls to cast their vote.
People that need to be catered to just to get their vote to me are just plain lazy. They don't care. I tend to think that their vote will not be well thought out and frivolous. Because again, if these people don't feel it's not worth their time and effort to understand the issues, and then register as a voter and go to the polls, then their vote is useless. Mail-in voting just equates to more meaningless votes.
That is why, if we had the election with absentee voting, regular precincts, and a deadline for registering to vote I believe Trump would have won decisively.
At the end of all this I want President Trump to be remembered as the President who revealed mail-in voting as a f*cken joke.
Again this is only my opinion. No facts known, offered, or implied.
I agree, but it's not just mail-in voting. It's all the early voting and "assisted" voting for people of diminished capacity, state voter registration databases that are eons out of date, and a complete lack of security throughout the post-election process.
We have a DAY of voting according to the Constitution. Early voting should not be a "thing." If you want to cast an early ballot, then get up early on election day and beat the crowd. You vote the same day as everyone else.
We need more polling places to cut down on wait times. Long lines was one of the justifications for early and mail-in voting. Need to fix that, too.
Every ballot needs a tracking number tied to a valid registered voter name, and it needs to originate on paper. That becomes the official record of the election. Those can then be fed into the counting scanners to tally the votes at each location. In presidential election years, I'd like to see a bin at the exit and two buckets -- one with blue chips and one with red. The area needs a curtain to avoid anyone watching as you take a colored chip and place it in the bin. The bin needs to be from something that can't be seen into as well.
This would give the vote counters an additional metric to bounce the vote totals against. If there were 5000 voters at a site that day, there should be 5000 chips in the bin, give or take a couple for anyone not wishing to throw a chip in. The number of red and blue chips would approximate the number of Dem vs GOP ballots. If the vote totals don't match somewhere close to the chip count, there's a problem. If there are more votes total than chips, that's okay to a degree. If there are fewer votes than chips, theres a problem. Are they missing votes in the total? Malfunctioning machine? Poll worker not working the scanner right? Someone deleted votes after they counted?
We know there are mistakes and problems with any mechanical or electronic voting machines, whether it's the actual one people use to vote on, the ones doing the counting, or the ones doing the reporting. The states need "bean counting" processes to make sure the exact number of ballots is known going in to counting, and coming out. I remember in the midterms, the FL clerk was getting called out for all kinds of irregularities. One was for not knowing how many absentee and mail-in ballots remained uncounted. If she knew that number, then it would be possible to follow the returns and tell if a candidate was going to be able to close a gap or not. It's a number. Simple to count and report. How can they NOT know that number?
If they can't keep a count of individual ballots needing to process, then how are they able to handle counting the votes and telling which are valid?
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Making it harder to vote is a mark of a dictatorship. For Democracy to thrive it should be available to the masses. It should be easy and accessible. We want more voters not less. If not only the extremes win, the most stubborn hard-core will be the main voters. Why force people to stand in line. Not everyone has a day off to go vote in person. Especially the younger voters. And not to method this year's pandemic. I agree that it must be audited and valid. I would encourage mail in voting. Perhaps create a unique identification to the ballot to ensure validity. Purge all voter rolls. Have everyone re-apply. Yearly update via easy to use online system. Perhaps best tied with state id or drivers license. Just like you can check a box to donate organs. There should be one that you check to vote.
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Making it harder to vote is a mark of a dictatorship. For Democracy to thrive it should be available to the masses. It should be easy and accessible. We want more voters not less. If not only the extremes win, the most stubborn hard-core will be the main voters. Why force people to stand in line. Not everyone has a day off to go vote in person. Especially the younger voters. And not to method this year's pandemic. I agree that it must be audited and valid. I would encourage mail in voting. Perhaps create a unique identification to the ballot to ensure validity. Purge all voter rolls. Have everyone re-apply. Yearly update via easy to use online system. Perhaps best tied with state id or drivers license. Just like you can check a box to donate organs. There should be one that you check to vote.
Ignoring the insecurity of a voting system that's prone to errors and manipulation is not just immoral, it's criminal.
When you support a voting system that lets people try to cheat, or that has irregularities caused by malfunctions, incompetence and intentional misconduct, you're disenfranchising the people that voted for the other guy. Illegal or invalid votes should not be allowed to cancel out legal votes.
Liberals like to use the phrase "making voting harder," like someone is suggesting voters take a competency test or recite the Pledge of Allegiance forward AND backward. Getting an ID is not only not difficult, but it's required for every other thing the gov't does for you. Showing up on election day is NOT a hardship for the vast majority -- it's one reason it's a national holiday. You get the day off, or you at least get a 2-3 hour "pass" from work to go vote. Most people leave a couple of hours early from work so they can get in line. As long as they are in line when the polls close, they still get to vote.
You said, "For Democracy to thrive it should be available to the masses." Having the polls open for 12 hours on a Tuesday provides that access. If someone can't make it that day and has a valid reason, they can vote by mail. in the military? Traveling for work? Caretaker for an elderly parent? There are people who have real, honest reasons to need accommodations. That's the MINORITY of voters, though. Mail-in votes from them should not count in the hundreds of thousands for any given state. It sure should not count in the hundreds of millions nationally.
The greater the volume of early and mail-in votes, and the longer the time given to count, the greater the risk of someone trying to tamper with the outcome.
Had the votes been required to continue non-stop from polls closing until the tally was reported, Trump would be President now. Giving a few key states DAYS to count and count and keep counting offered that much additional time to "find" boxes of ballots that were 100% for Biden -- not a single one for Trump.
These are not new ideas. When you give someone the chance to steal something they really want, most of the time they are going to take that chance. Limiting the risk involves many things, including narrowing that window of opportunity.
How do we know mail-in ballots and early voting ballots were properly protected before the count? Why are they not counted the day they are cast? Because it provides an opportunity when needed. An opportunity to massage the ballots as they sit for weeks before election day when the count officially starts.
No matter how many "but, the masses!" reasons someone can come up with, common sense has to prevail. I'm sure the local sheriff in a town of 79 voters wasn't allowed to take the ballot box to his office and count it the next day. That creates an unnecessary opportunity that throws at least a shadow of doubt on the outcome if it's not as people expected.
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This is like the 2nd or 3rd time, maybe even 4th time I've seen Inspector blatantly calling you out.
You must be special for Inspector to make the posts he does.
He normally doesn't post in this sort of manner.
But others have said the same with no sort of change so.
Keep yourself healthy Inspector
Thanks!
You know, if he had come at this like: “... and don’t forget the Russians also had a disinformation campaign that helped Trump. They played both sides...” I would have just just said to myself, the guy has his opinion and I have mine and I would not have said a word to him. I might have even told him I agree and that he is correct because I believe they did play both sides. But he came at me like I said something that was so egregious that he couldn’t control his emotions and he couldn’t hold back any more and he had to correct me. He has little to no control over his emotions and he takes it out on people by calling them out. But when he tries to correct something that is factual in his emotional state he really just looks like a whiney little baby.
Considering Judicial Watch and the ACLJ has all the emails and memos from the FBI documenting everything I said. They used FOIA requests to obtain all of these documents. What I said was not only verified and factual but it contradicted his unfortunate misbelief that the Russians were in the tank with Trump. Which is the farthest thing from the truth. They may have had a disinformation campaign for Trump as well as for Hilary. But the truth is the Russians provided the disinformation for the dossier that Hilary and the DNC paid for so that squarely says that they were in the tank for Hilary. It is an undeniable fact. I am afraid our friend here just cannot accept the truth and he went off the deep end on a childish rant.
I would love to take the credit and say I wrote my original post just to troll the guy to watch him lose it but then I wouldn’t be honest. On the other hand, since he can’t control himself or his emotions maybe I should post more things to troll him? Naw, Flapp does a better job of that than I do. :rofl:
Since he doesn’t listen to what others say to him, and he has such a closed mind, I think it is time to just ignore the guy and let the others deal with his BS and let others call out his lies.
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Since this is an opinion thread I'd like say that I'm thankful that President Trump did not concede the election. Things may look a bit dire in terms of his challenges to the election results but I applaud his decision to keep going.
I like to believe that the President is sending a message. A message that he has been saying all along concerning mail-in voting. And that is that mail-in voting compromises the integrity of elections.
And as more and more evidence is revealed, I believe the american public will start thinking about the validity of mail-in voting. As close as this election was, I hope that in the very least the lawsuits will establish that mail-in voting is questionable when it comes to being fair and honest.
To me, a true voter will take the time to learn issues the candidates support, then take the time and make the effort to register before the due date, and go to the polls to cast their vote.
People that need to be catered to just to get their vote to me are just plain lazy. They don't care. I tend to think that their vote will not be well thought out and frivolous. Because again, if these people don't feel it's not worth their time and effort to understand the issues, and then register as a voter and go to the polls, then their vote is useless. Mail-in voting just equates to more meaningless votes.
That is why, if we had the election with absentee voting, regular precincts, and a deadline for registering to vote I believe Trump would have won decisively.
At the end of all this I want President Trump to be remembered as the President who revealed mail-in voting as a f*cken joke.
Again this is only my opinion. No facts known, offered, or implied.
I agree with your statement here about Trump. As long as he plays by the rules, win or lose, he needs to win graciously or lose graciously. But he needs to do it within our system. He has to play by the rules and appear he has done nothing wrong. I think he needs to be very careful with his words over the next month or two while this plays out. Instead of saying we are going to win (Like he did in a recent tweet), I think he needs to say we just need patience and let the courts decide if their was voter fraud or not. If Trump stays on the up and up on this, win or lose I think he comes out looking good.
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Making it harder to vote is a mark of a dictatorship. For Democracy to thrive it should be available to the masses. It should be easy and accessible. We want more voters not less. If not only the extremes win, the most stubborn hard-core will be the main voters. Why force people to stand in line. Not everyone has a day off to go vote in person. Especially the younger voters. And not to method this year's pandemic. I agree that it must be audited and valid. I would encourage mail in voting. Perhaps create a unique identification to the ballot to ensure validity. Purge all voter rolls. Have everyone re-apply. Yearly update via easy to use online system. Perhaps best tied with state id or drivers license. Just like you can check a box to donate organs. There should be one that you check to vote.
Fawk that !
Request absentee ballot if you have a legitimate reason for being out of state at time of election or disability or other good reason.
Otherwise, show up at one of the many polling places around the state (pandemic conditions excluded) and present your valid ID and vote.
There was almost no line on any given year other than this one with only two polling places open.
Two hours off for voting on Election Day.
Voting is not something that you mailize or computerize.
It’s too fawking important to keep it’s integrity.
I’ve taken my kids with me to the polling places to cast my vote since they could walk in with me to show them this is what we do.
P.S. Flapp, answer the question. :wave:
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Fawk that !
Request absentee ballot if you have a legitimate reason for being out of state at time of election or disability or other good reason.
Otherwise, show up at one of the many polling places around the state (pandemic conditions excluded) and present your valid ID and vote.
There was almost no line on any given year other than this one with only two polling places open.
Two hours off for voting on Election Day.
Voting is not something that you mailize or computerize.
It’s too fawking important to keep it’s integrity.
I’ve taken my kids with me to the polling places to cast my vote since they could walk in with me to show them this is what we do.
P.S. Flapp, answer the question. :wave:
You know why there was little lines? Most of Hawaii votes by mail. I don't know a single person that isn't on this forum who didn't vote by mail. I voted by mail, I don't even know what a polling site looks like. Its so convenient. Hawaii's elections are secure. Don't fight the future, modernization is good. Put unique QR codes on all ballots with tracking information to enhance security, redo voting registration rolls. That's plenty of security. Then you know the ballot and the person are both valid without forcing them to stand in line, take off work, etc.
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You know why there was little lines? Most of Hawaii votes by mail. I don't know a single person that isn't on this forum who didn't vote by mail. I voted by mail, I don't even know what a polling site looks like. Its so convenient. Hawaii's elections are secure. Don't fight the future, modernization is good. Put unique QR codes on all ballots with tracking information to enhance security, redo voting registration rolls. That's plenty of security. Then you know the ballot and the person are both valid without forcing them to stand in line, take off work, etc.
Exactly how do you verify that the person the ballot was mailed to was the person that filled out the ballot and mailed it back (compared to a person at a polling place presenting "official" ID prior to receiving a ballot to be completed on site)?
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Exactly how do you verify that the person the ballot was mailed to was the person that filled out the ballot and mailed it back (compared to a person at a polling place presenting "official" ID prior to receiving a ballot to be completed on site)?
Signature. Same way you validate checks and credit card purchases. Though I am not opposed to perhaps adding a section to add the last 4 of ssn for additional security.
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Signature. Same way you validate checks and credit card purchases. Though I am not opposed to perhaps adding a section to add the last 4 of ssn for additional security.
and how much credit card scams, fraud cases are committed every day?
You admitted to being a victim of a scam/fraud.
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You know why there was little lines? Most of Hawaii votes by mail. I don't know a single person that isn't on this forum who didn't vote by mail. I voted by mail, I don't even know what a polling site looks like. Its so convenient. Hawaii's elections are secure. Don't fight the future, modernization is good. Put unique QR codes on all ballots with tracking information to enhance security, redo voting registration rolls. That's plenty of security. Then you know the ballot and the person are both valid without forcing them to stand in line, take off work, etc.
Once again, thinking you know it all. . .
Tell those who waited over 4 hours in line to vote. . . Just because you don't know of anyone who it affected or that it didn't affect you doesn't mean it didn't happen. You're so sure of what you know from what you believe and what you see. . . wake up!
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Signature. Same way you validate checks and credit card purchases. Though I am not opposed to perhaps adding a section to add the last 4 of ssn for additional security.
How do you know that the person who signed the return envelope is the person who filled out the ballot? At a live polling location, once the signature and ID is "verified" that same person is given one ballot, to be completed on site... ballot never leaves possession of that person.
Some signature verification machines in this past election were set to 40% "matching standard". No signature matching procedure is fool-proof, but that is ludicrous.
Social worker in Texas arrested for submitting 134 ballots from developmentally-disabled clients. No mention if the signatures matched. Nor if they interviewed the clients who confirmed that she voted for who they told her to vote for.
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Once again, thinking you know it all. . .
Tell those who waited over 4 hours in line to vote. . . Just because you don't know of anyone who it affected or that it didn't affect you doesn't mean it didn't happen. You're so sure of what you know from what you believe and what you see. . . wake up!
How does one wake up the woke?
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Signature. Same way you validate checks and credit card purchases. Though I am not opposed to perhaps adding a section to add the last 4 of ssn for additional security.
So when certain states did not validate signatures? What then?
BTW, recommend offering up the last for of SSN for anything. I mean you can if you want, but it will leave you more susceptible to ID theft.
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Once again, thinking you know it all. . .
Tell those who waited over 4 hours in line to vote. . . Just because you don't know of anyone who it affected or that it didn't affect you doesn't mean it didn't happen. You're so sure of what you know from what you believe and what you see. . . wake up!
I was referring the aiea's statement of no lines....sigh.
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How does one wake up the woke?
2x4 to the head?
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How does one wake up the woke?
2x4 to the head?
I believe the correct answer is "Same way you wake up the dead: ain't gonna happen."
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I was referring the aiea's statement of no lines....sigh.
Sigh. . .
Aiea mentioned "There was almost no line on any given year other than this one with only two polling places open.", which I believe he meant to make a different point. I don't want to speak for him, so I'll let him reply in kind.
What do you have to back up your "Hawaii votes by mail"? Go ahead, I'll wait.
You DO know that Hawaii has had early WALK IN voting for a while. And that was very well received. I've done it many times.
Dunno if it was you who mentioned the thing about folks who don't have days off on election day, I believe there are laws that make time off mandatory for voting. Yes, I understand that not all employers will follow the law and allow that, but there have been other options to vote in person that have been available for many years.
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How do you know that the person who signed the return envelope is the person who filled out the ballot? At a live polling location, once the signature and ID is "verified" that same person is given one ballot, to be completed on site... ballot never leaves possession of that person.
Some signature verification machines in this past election were set to 40% "matching standard". No signature matching procedure is fool-proof, but that is ludicrous.
Social worker in Texas arrested for submitting 134 ballots from developmentally-disabled clients. No mention if the signatures matched. Nor if they interviewed the clients who confirmed that she voted for who they told her to vote for.
and how much credit card scams, fraud cases are committed every day?
You admitted to being a victim of a scam/fraud.
Hence my statement of adding the last 4 of ssn. For added security, there are things you can do to enhance and modernize the voting system. Going backwards and forcing in person voting is not the way. You are also missing key aspects just because its possible to fraud does that mean people will? Jail sentence for a few votes that won't affect the election. There needs to be a balance, between ease of access and security.
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I believe the correct answer is "Same way you wake up the dead: ain't gonna happen."
Haha. Very true.
But when said woke person talks out of their a$$ and says outlandish things and make like they know everything, I occasionally am inspired to respond.
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Hence my statement of adding the last 4 of ssn.
Exactly how do you verify that the person that "add[ed] the last 4 of ssn" is the person who filled out the ballot?
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Sigh. . .
Aiea mentioned "There was almost no line on any given year other than this one with only two polling places open.", which I believe he meant to make a different point. I don't want to speak for him, so I'll let him reply in kind.
What do you have to back up your "Hawaii votes by mail"? Go ahead, I'll wait.
You DO know that Hawaii has had early WALK IN voting for a while. And that was very well received. I've done it many times.
Dunno if it was you who mentioned the thing about folks who don't have days off on election day, I believe there are laws that make time off mandatory for voting. Yes, I understand that not all employers will follow the law and allow that, but there have been other options to vote in person that have been available for many years.
https://www.businessinsider.com/hawaii-just-saw-its-highest-primary-turnout-voted-by-mail-2020-8
I understand there are other methods. Early voting, walk in etc. I am not saying everyone has to vote my mail. Just that its a good option. More options the better. I personally will only vote by mail, all other options seem like more effort same reward.
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Hence my statement of adding the last 4 of ssn. For added security, there are things you can do to enhance and modernize the voting system. Going backwards and forcing in person voting is not the way. You are also missing key aspects just because its possible to fraud does that mean people will? Jail sentence for a few votes that won't affect the election. There needs to be a balance, between ease of access and security.
Yes, people WILL commit fraud. As I mentioned, YOU were a victim. The example is right in your face and you continue to deny that it won't happen. This is beyond your $100 scam - this is the heart of our democracy. Only legit US Citizens should be voting in OUR election. No dead people. No carbon copies.
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Exactly how do you verify that the person that "add[ed] the last 4 of ssn" is the person who filled out the ballot?
You don't but that eliminates random mail fraud stolen ballots. You will never get 100% with any system unless you create a DNA database and require live samples with video affidavit with a witness for every vote. Its all about acceptable risk. There will always be fraud just like many other crimes, but its not widespread. I can see it affecting elections if the spread was 100 people, but not tens of thousands. The voting system needs some modernization and improvements But mail in voting is the future.
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https://www.businessinsider.com/hawaii-just-saw-its-highest-primary-turnout-voted-by-mail-2020-8
I understand there are other methods. Early voting, walk in etc. I am not saying everyone has to vote my mail. Just that its a good option. More options the better. I personally will only vote by mail, all other options seem like more effort same reward.
So does "Hawaii vote by mail"? Like you proclaimed previously?
I do believe options are good, but they need to be secure and verifiable options.
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Yes, people WILL commit fraud. As I mentioned, YOU were a victim. The example is right in your face and you continue to deny that it won't happen. This is beyond your $100 scam - this is the heart of our democracy. Only legit US Citizens should be voting in OUR election. No dead people. No carbon copies.
The key is there was fraud, but it was known, had this been the election it would have no influence in it. I was frauded, notified the authorities and the public. The whole point is checks and balances. I agree that only legit people should vote, I've never said otherwise. People who fraud are caught most of the time and its not a large issue on validity of elections. Make it harder to fraud. Don't punish the many for the crimes of a few. Just like you don't take away guns from law abiding citizens for the actions of criminals. Don't take away my right to vote with ease for the few bad apples who fraud.
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So does "Hawaii vote by mail"? Like you proclaimed previously?
I do believe options are good, but they need to be secure and verifiable options.
I mean this election 99%+ voted by mail. Not sure what point you are trying to get at...
I don't believe there was any mass fraud in Hawaii that I know of and our election was basically all mail in voting.
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Yes, people WILL commit fraud. As I mentioned, YOU were a victim. The example is right in your face and you continue to deny that it won't happen. This is beyond your $100 scam - this is the heart of our democracy. Only legit US Citizens should be voting in OUR election. No dead people. No carbon copies.
Harsh. True, but harsh. . .
The key is there was fraud, but it was known, had this been the election it would have no influence in it. The whole point is checks and balances. I agree that only legit people should vote, I've never said otherwise. People who fraud are caught most of the time and its not a large issue on validity of elections. Make it harder to fraud. Don't punish the many for the crimes of a few. Just like you don't take away guns from law abiding citizens for the actions of criminals. Don't take away my right to vote with ease for the few bad apples who fraud.
Consider this for a second. This is just the fraud that has been discovered, or allegedly discovered. You REALLY think that's it? You said above, checks and balances. Why not audit the system first and then release the results? Think!!! THINK!!!
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I mean this election 99%+ voted by mail. Not sure what point you are trying to get at...
I don't believe there was any mass fraud in Hawaii that I know of and our election was basically all mail in voting.
Again, back up your statement. . .
What am I getting at? You make CLAIMS, throwing things out there that you BELIEVE, but never offer any proof or backup. You demand backup and TANGIBLE proof to get you to believe. Please forgive me if I don't just take your word for it.
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Harsh. True, but harsh. . .
Consider this for a second. This is just the fraud that has been discovered, or allegedly discovered. You REALLY think that's it? You said above, checks and balances. Why not audit the system first and then release the results? Think!!! THINK!!!
Currently there is no evidence of mass fraud, just because you think there is the burden of proof is on you/accusers. I am all for auditing the systems and making improvements. The system isn't perfect but to say its full of fraud with no irrefutable evidence is a stretch. There have been investigations and there has been no signs of fraud, even republicans say there is no fraud. Trying to disprove this is like trying to disprove god. You can search all day and find some facts but they will always be able to point to something or someone else and it would be endless. At this point much like you like to accuse me, you are running off feelings. You feel there is fraud. I will wait and reserve my judgement for the court system. Trump has brought some cases up and lets see how it fairs in court. As of now with the innocent till proven guilty in America we run off the default belief in the system. Till proven the system is broken.
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Again, back up your statement. . .
What am I getting at? You make CLAIMS, throwing things out there that you BELIEVE, but never offer any proof or backup. You demand backup and TANGIBLE proof to get you to believe. Please forgive me if I don't just take your word for it.
Did you just completely ignore the web link I posted with evidence?
"Of 406,425 people who voted in the election, 400,952 of them cast their vote using a mail-in ballot, which is approximately 99% of the entire turnout, according to the report."
https://www.businessinsider.com/hawaii-just-saw-its-highest-primary-turnout-voted-by-mail-2020-8
I understand there are other methods. Early voting, walk in etc. I am not saying everyone has to vote my mail. Just that its a good option. More options the better. I personally will only vote by mail, all other options seem like more effort same reward.
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Currently there is no evidence of mass fraud, just because you think there is the burden of proof is on you/accusers. I am all for auditing the systems and making improvements. The system isn't perfect but to say its full of fraud with no irrefutable evidence is a stretch. There have been investigations and there has been no signs of fraud, even republicans say there is no fraud. Trying to disprove this is like trying to disprove god. You can search all day and find some facts but they will always be able to point to something or someone else and it would be endless. At this point much like you like to accuse me, you are running off feelings. You feel there is fraud. I will wait and reserve my judgement for the court system. Trump has brought some cases up and lets see how it fairs in court. As of now with the innocent till proven guilty in America we run off the default belief in the system. Till proven the system is broken.
if there was no inkling of fraud why are there several lawsuits?
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Making it harder to vote is a mark of a dictatorship. For Democracy to thrive it should be available to the masses. It should be easy and accessible. We want more voters not less. If not only the extremes win, the most stubborn hard-core will be the main voters. Why force people to stand in line. Not everyone has a day off to go vote in person. Especially the younger voters. And not to method this year's pandemic. I agree that it must be audited and valid. I would encourage mail in voting. Perhaps create a unique identification to the ballot to ensure validity. Purge all voter rolls. Have everyone re-apply. Yearly update via easy to use online system. Perhaps best tied with state id or drivers license. Just like you can check a box to donate organs. There should be one that you check to vote.
Voting used to be done in school cafeterias. The school was closed on that day. So you would have to go to the nearest one to your home because they have a list. Which means you cannot vote and multiple school cafes. There is nothing hard about that and it's easily accessible. You should look into how dictators came into and stayed in power for countries that used to be a democracy.
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Voting used to be done in school cafeterias. The school was closed on that day. So you would have to go to the nearest one to your home because they have a list. Which means you cannot vote and multiple school cafes. There is nothing hard about that and it's easily accessible. You should look into how dictators came into and stayed in power for countries that used to be a democracy.
There are two ways they do that, suppress the vote or fraud the vote. That's why I said we need balance. Government shouldn't make it hard for you to vote just like it shouldn't be hard to buy a gun. Government also shouldn't make it so you don't need any checks like a background check. A balance is like the 72hr law.
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if there was no inkling of fraud why are there several lawsuits?
This is America you don't need proof to do a lawsuit, but you need some to win :geekdanc:
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I mean this election 99%+ voted by mail. Not sure what point you are trying to get at...
I don't believe there was any mass fraud in Hawaii that I know of and our election was basically all mail in voting.
It's because the state mandated mail in voting with a small exception. They kept only 2 polls open for those who did want to vote in person. This is why majority voted by mail. So it;s not voting by mail by choice if that is what you're getting at.
We are going in full circles again. Like I posted before, mailing yourself $40K in cash would not be your first option. And as an IT guy, you should know that if they did allow voting online or via app, there is a higher risk of cyber fraud. So the safest way is to vote in person. Even that is not 100% because as we have seen, the counting machines in MI have given thousands of votes to the wrong person and blamed it on a "glitch". But it is the most secure of all available options.
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Currently there is no evidence of mass fraud
What is your definition of "mass fraud"? 2; 4; 10000000?
Like someone posted, a nurse in TX was busted for filling out over 100 mail in ballots for old people. This is just 1 person that we know of. But then again she wasn't convicted, so I guess it didn't happen right? Video of Project Veritas on a woman bragging how she could go to jail for doing what she's doing (same as above). No conviction yet, so never happened I guess.
Also Hitler was never convicted of murdering millions of jews, so that didn't happen either right?
Funny how so far all the "glitches" have been in favor of Biden and none for Trump. There is a point where you have to accept what is happening and use logic to put 2 and 2 together. You say there is no evidence, there is and each time they admitted a mistake/glitch. I guess that makes it all better now and no problem. But these keep happening. We are not even on the dead people voting aspect yet.
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Did you just completely ignore the web link I posted with evidence?
"Of 406,425 people who voted in the election, 400,952 of them cast their vote using a mail-in ballot, which is approximately 99% of the entire turnout, according to the report."
I didn't COMPLETELY ignore. I saw it, but it was what S/A reported. What was the official release from Hawaii election officials?
Latest I saw posted from Office of Elections:
2020 (regsitered) 832,466 (turnout) 579,165 69.6%
I'm not saying that is official or correct, but it doesn't align with the "facts" you posted. Trust, but verify. Just because a media outlet reports it, doesn't make it true.
Yet another "view"
https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/523451-hawaii-mail-in-ballots-have-already-surpassed-entire-2016-voter-turnout
Voter turnout for the Nov. 3 election in Hawaii has already surpassed the state's total voter turnout in 2016, with less than one week to go before Election Day.
The Aloha State has returned 457,294 ballots according to Honolulu Civil Beat, putting the state’s voter turnout at 55 percent.
So PLEASE forgive me if I don't just take what you report as gospel. . . .
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There are two ways they do that, suppress the vote or fraud the vote. That's why I said we need balance. Government shouldn't make it hard for you to vote just like it shouldn't be hard to buy a gun. Government also shouldn't make it so you don't need any checks like a background check. A balance is like the 72hr law.
So is going to the nearest school cafe to your home (not FFL) suppressing voters?
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It's because the state mandated mail in voting with a small exception. They kept only 2 polls open for those who did want to vote in person. This is why majority voted by mail. So it;s not voting by mail by choice if that is what you're getting at.
We are going in full circles again. Like I posted before, mailing yourself $40K in cash would not be your first option. And as an IT guy, you should know that if they did allow voting online or via app, there is a higher risk of cyber fraud. So the safest way is to vote in person. Even that is not 100% because as we have seen, the counting machines in MI have given thousands of votes to the wrong person and blamed it on a "glitch". But it is the most secure of all available options.
Yes, I will try find older articles for previous years if you want that info, but if I remember correctly it was also majority mail in voting. I was getting at the mail system is a perfectly fine system as evident by this years seemingly problem free election in Hawaii.
True, but we live in a world with options, You still use the web, you still buy stuff online, even if there is more risks its still a option. (assuming you don't only buy local in stores). Forcing everyone to only buy in stores and with cash to prevent any cyber or credit card crimes isn't practical. Just like forcing everyone to vote in person. Add some security and improve the mail voting system but don't abolish it. Its functioning fairly well already.
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So is going to the nearest school cafe to your home (not FFL) suppressing voters?
Yes, then again I believe Hawaii's current gun requirements are suppressing 2a rights. So maybe I am bias.
For example myself. I have to take off work early, this last election I worked the whole day and overtime. Then I have to drive to a school cafe, find parking, wait in line, get all my ID info correct. Bring a phone (not sure if allowed) do my final research, then vote. OR I just go home, when I feel like it for a couple of weeks find time to get on the computer do a little research and vote. Stick it in the mail and I'm done. One of these options appear to be much better for me.
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Yes, I will try find older articles for previous years if you want that info, but if I remember correctly it was also majority mail in voting. I was getting at the mail system is a perfectly fine system as evident by this years seemingly problem free election in Hawaii.
True, but we live in a world with options, You still use the web, you still buy stuff online, even if there is more risks its still a option. (assuming you don't only buy local in stores). Forcing everyone to only buy in stores and with cash to prevent any cyber or credit card crimes isn't practical. Just like forcing everyone to vote in person. Add some security and improve the mail voting system but don't abolish it. Its functioning fairly well already.
If you want options, why can't I just phone in my vote too? Or how about just mail a letter, no need a ballot right.
Can you get a drivers license in HI online? How about a birth certificate? A passport? A social security card? This is rhetorical and everyone already knows the answer.
Retail is way different from voting. So that analogy doesn't apply.
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I didn't COMPLETELY ignore. I saw it, but it was what S/A reported. What was the official release from Hawaii election officials?
Latest I saw posted from Office of Elections:
I'm not saying that is official or correct, but it doesn't align with the "facts" you posted. Trust, but verify. Just because a media outlet reports it, doesn't make it true.
Yet another "view"
https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/523451-hawaii-mail-in-ballots-have-already-surpassed-entire-2016-voter-turnout
So PLEASE forgive me if I don't just take what you report as gospel. . . .
True, we can await the final posting by the government, but not sure how you expected me to get something that doesn't exist yet, so I could only link other sources.
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Yes, then again I believe Hawaii's current gun requirements are suppressing 2a rights. So maybe I am bias.
For example myself. I have to take off work early, this last election I worked the whole day and overtime. Then I have to drive to a school cafe, find parking, wait in line, get all my ID info correct. Bring a phone (not sure if allowed) do my final research, then vote. OR I just go home, when I feel like it for a couple of weeks find time to get on the computer do a little research and vote. Stick it in the mail and I'm done. One of these options appear to be much better for me.
The state law gave you 2 hours to go and vote at your polling place. This was non negotiable for employers. So at most you lost 2 hours. Any "research" should have been done before you cast your vote. Mail in vote may be better for you, but not for the nation when 1 side is stacking the deck. This is the concept that you have to understand and why this keeps going in circles.
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You don't but that eliminates random mail fraud stolen ballots. You will never get 100% with any system unless you create a DNA database and require live samples with video affidavit with a witness for every vote. Its all about acceptable risk. There will always be fraud just like many other crimes, but its not widespread. I can see it affecting elections if the spread was 100 people, but not tens of thousands. The voting system needs some modernization and improvements But mail in voting is the future.
Posting here from the "evidence of fraud" thread, as this topic seems to have spread here:
Dead (for three years) woman's signature match is valid according to the registrar of voters so her mail-in vote was counted, even though her husband did not receive her ballot at their address.
(https://i.imgur.com/9aq1U0e.png)
See the tweet from Richard Grenell with the embedded local news station story:
https://twitter.com/i/status/1326212952148627456 (https://twitter.com/i/status/1326212952148627456)
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True, we can await the final posting by the government, but not sure how you expected me to get something that doesn't exist yet, so I could only link other sources.
Again, missing the point. He's saying that the media isn't always accurate. And if you want to post numbers, it should be from a .gov website. The numbers don't really matter, it's how you found said numbers.
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Posting here from the "evidence of fraud" thread, as this topic seems to have spread here:
Dead (for three years) woman's signature match is valid according to the registrar of voters so her mail-in vote was counted, even though her husband did not receive her ballot at their address.
(https://i.imgur.com/9aq1U0e.png)
See the tweet from Richard Grenell with the embedded local news station story:
https://twitter.com/i/status/1326212952148627456 (https://twitter.com/i/status/1326212952148627456)
This is one person, and was caught. Appears the system is working. Does it affect the election? Is there 20,000 dead people voting?
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This is America you don't need proof to do a lawsuit, but you need some to win :geekdanc:
Evidence and proof are not always the same thing. "Proof" is a judgement call.
Circumstantial evidence is .... evidence. It's only considered proof of a crime if the judge or jury looks at the evidence in context and weighs it among all the other evidence --both for and against the charged crimes.
This is a short video discussing just 234 pages of affidavits out of the over 10,000 affidavits submitted already.
The actual affidavits:
https://roar-assets-auto.rbl.ms/documents/7487/3.%20EXHIBIT%201%20(affidavits)%20(compressed).pdf
https://youtu.be/7-yHvQwAiWc
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True, we can await the final posting by the government, but not sure how you expected me to get something that doesn't exist yet, so I could only link other sources.
But you had NO problems stating things as fact to support your beliefs. Now when you're getting called out on it, you're defaulting to an excuse.
The data is actually irrelevant in this case. Is that you unapologetically make like you know, but you really have no idea. . .
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Again, missing the point. He's saying that the media isn't always accurate. And if you want to post numbers, it should be from a .gov website. The numbers don't really matter, it's how you found said numbers.
Kinda close.
One big point is media bias AND people jumping on the first number what is reported AND that people take that as gospel without vetting that information.
I don't give that much weight for a .gov website in general. My point was that the data was much different than what was provided as "reference".
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Yes, then again I believe Hawaii's current gun requirements are suppressing 2a rights. So maybe I am bias.
For example myself. I have to take off work early, this last election I worked the whole day and overtime. Then I have to drive to a school cafe, find parking, wait in line, get all my ID info correct. Bring a phone (not sure if allowed) do my final research, then vote. OR I just go home, when I feel like it for a couple of weeks find time to get on the computer do a little research and vote. Stick it in the mail and I'm done. One of these options appear to be much better for me.
Taking off from work to take care of personal or government business is NOT "suppression". People who work at gov't offices during normal hours are paid to assist you. You have to at least make the effort to go to where they work.
Do you believe everything that's possible on the Internet never existed before the Internet? How did people pay bills that were due that day? How did they register cars, deposit money in their bank, apply for a loan, request a Social Security Card or Passport, and so on? THEY WENT TO THE OFFICES OF THOSE SERVICES DURING NORMAL OFFICE HOURS.
If you worked nights (like my mother did -- 3rd shift from 11PM to 7AM), she had all day if she could maintain her faculties with little to no sleep. Nobody cried that she had "more access" to gov't offices just because she didn't have to work during normal office hours.
I think you've got a very spoiled, entitled outlook on what "suppression" is. In this day and age, it's possible for us to vote online. Doing so would be VERY risky. Is the gov't refusing to take that risk the equivalent of "suppression?" The same thing holds true of mail-in and early voting. REASONABLE accommodation is all that's required, not EVERY accommodation.
Research is a personal RESPONSIBILITY. You must think nobody in the nation votes without doing that duty first. :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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The US is the only major country in the world that allows mail-in voting and early voting.
Everyone else refuses to go down that road because it's TOO SUSCEPTIBLE TO TAMPERING.
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I think you've got a very spoiled, entitled outlook on what "suppression" is. In this day and age, it's possible for us to vote online. Doing so would be VERY risky. Is the gov't refusing to take that risk the equivalent of "suppression?" The same thing holds true of mail-in and early voting. REASONABLE accommodation is all that's required, not EVERY accommodation.
That is certainly one that is a scary thought. In my experience with lawsuits brought upon for construction projects, reasonable is quite a scary concept. Definitely in jury trials, but even in mediation where the mediator may not be experienced/knowledgeable in engineering and/or construction. Getting off topic, but that "reasonable" word leaves a lot of room for discretion. Get a jury filled with the "EVERY accommodation" side, then sad day. Just like the jury that ruled for someone who got burned by their coffee. . . :(
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The Post Office has no (ZERO) responsibility for keeping your ballot safe, secure and delivered as expected. There is NO chain of custody.
When you cast a ballot in person, it is scanned and counted. The fact you voted is recorded (no double votes). The ballot is in a controlled environment, can be stored in locked and sealed boxes, and is 100% cast by the person they purported to be IN PERSON.
None of that is accomplished with a mail-in ballot. Anything can happen to it while it's not being handled by the voter and the elections personnel.
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That is certainly one that is a scary thought. In my experience with lawsuits brought upon for construction projects, reasonable is quite a scary concept. Definitely in jury trials, but even in mediation where the mediator may not be experienced/knowledgeable in engineering and/or construction. Getting off topic, but that "reasonable" word leaves a lot of room for discretion. Get a jury filled with the "EVERY accommodation" side, then sad day. Just like the jury that ruled for someone who got burned by their coffee. . . :(
Reasonable accommodation is the standard for things like the ADA laws for construction and access for the disabled.
"The reasonable man test" requires that you weigh the cost of accommodations against the impact of the lack of accommodations on the customer, employee, etc.
Risk is part of the cost. Either you have to spend more to mitigate the additional risk, or you suffer potential damages from the risk. Either way, you have to ask, "What's the cost?"
In voting, the cost to the election system is obvious this year -- can't trust the outcome no matter WHO you THINK won. It's that, or some new (expensive) process and tech needs to be employed to maintain election integrity to keep track of ballots.
Could we require fingerprints? Why not? When you register to vote, place a finger on the reader. That digital print is now in your record. When you vote in person, you use a reader to verify you are who you are. If mailing in, use an app to scan the barcode on the ballot and to scan your fingerprint for matching with the known print. Once the ballot is complete, TAKE A PICTURE OF IT and upload. Now, if the ballot is lost in the mail, destroyed, spoiled or altered enroute to the clerk, they will have a digital image to compare. If they need, they can create a duplicate of the ballot based on your image.
All of this is very possible, but the Dems won't allow any measure that increases security. Fighting against voter's presenting an ID at the poll is proof (not just evidence).
If you watch this video, see which side of the issue you fall on, and what that says about YOU.
https://youtu.be/yW2LpFkVfYk
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Reasonable accommodation is the standard for things like the ADA laws for construction and access for the disabled.
"The reasonable man test" requires that you weigh the cost of accommodations against the impact of the lack of accommodations on the customer, employee, etc.
Risk is part of the cost. Either you have to spend more to mitigate the additional risk, or you suffer potential damages from the risk. Either way, you have to ask, "What's the cost?"
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Ya, I hear ya and I believe I likely see reasonable similar to you. I was just saying that if you get the "wrong" mix in a jury, or even make up in a court, it could go sideways. I've been involved in a lawsuit that I thought was 100% (well, I know nothing is 100%) that my company wasn't liable. OMFG we not only were liable, they used that case to make changes in the Highway design code to force design to plan for a drunk driver in the 3x or more legal limit. . . :(
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Hey "Omni"gun How about we just ask people if they are a registered voter....you know like your home defense scenario. Ask them is they are a family member or a criminal. In your case, there are much more serious consequences.
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Ya, I hear ya and I believe I likely see reasonable similar to you. I was just saying that if you get the "wrong" mix in a jury, or even make up in a court, it could go sideways. I've been involved in a lawsuit that I thought was 100% (well, I know nothing is 100%) that my company wasn't liable. OMFG we not only were liable, they used that case to make changes in the Highway design code to force design to plan for a drunk driver in the 3x or more legal limit. . . :(
Luckily the election cases are being heard by the judge, not a jury. And when a case goes before the Supreme Court, we can be sure that at least a majority of justices is reasonable. :geekdanc: :thumbsup:
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Reasonable accommodation is the standard for things like the ADA laws for construction and access for the disabled.
"The reasonable man test" requires that you weigh the cost of accommodations against the impact of the lack of accommodations on the customer, employee, etc.
Risk is part of the cost. Either you have to spend more to mitigate the additional risk, or you suffer potential damages from the risk. Either way, you have to ask, "What's the cost?"
In voting, the cost to the election system is obvious this year -- can't trust the outcome no matter WHO you THINK won. It's that, or some new (expensive) process and tech needs to be employed to maintain election integrity to keep track of ballots.
Could we require fingerprints? Why not? When you register to vote, place a finger on the reader. That digital print is now in your record. When you vote in person, you use a reader to verify you are who you are. If mailing in, use an app to scan the barcode on the ballot and to scan your fingerprint for matching with the known print. Once the ballot is complete, TAKE A PICTURE OF IT and upload. Now, if the ballot is lost in the mail, destroyed, spoiled or altered enroute to the clerk, they will have a digital image to compare. If they need, they can create a duplicate of the ballot based on your image.
All of this is very possible, but the Dems won't allow any measure that increases security. Fighting against voter's presenting an ID at the poll is proof (not just evidence).
If you watch this video, see which side of the issue you fall on, and what that says about YOU.
https://youtu.be/yW2LpFkVfYk
Flapp is arguing for bio government database of the population. Interesting. Democrats are pro privacy?
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Said database is fait accompli, or soon will be. DNA from your COVID test swab. Moot point.
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Flapp is arguing for bio government database of the population. Interesting. Democrats are pro privacy?
Do you have a drivers license from the State of Hawaii?
Your fingerprint is already on file if you do.
Do you own guns?
Your fingerprint is already on file if you do.
Do you have a CCW from another state?
Your fingerprint is already on file if you do.
Have you ever served in the military, been a government employee, or held a government security clearance?
Your fingerprint is already on file if you have.
Shut up about bio government database. If gun owners have to register our fingerprints, so should everyone who votes. One civil right is not suppressed by this if another is okay with it. One might argue that voting is more important than owning a gun, since we KNOW we must exercise that right every election cycle. Guns are more of a "just in case" proposition for most of us.
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Said database is fait accompli, or soon will be. DNA from your COVID test swab. Moot point.
Ohhhh snappppp. Don't get me started on 23 and me. Tin foil.
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Reasonable accommodation is the standard for things like the ADA laws for construction and access for the disabled.
"The reasonable man test" requires that you weigh the cost of accommodations against the impact of the lack of accommodations on the customer, employee, etc.
Risk is part of the cost. Either you have to spend more to mitigate the additional risk, or you suffer potential damages from the risk. Either way, you have to ask, "What's the cost?"
In voting, the cost to the election system is obvious this year -- can't trust the outcome no matter WHO you THINK won. It's that, or some new (expensive) process and tech needs to be employed to maintain election integrity to keep track of ballots.
Could we require fingerprints? Why not? When you register to vote, place a finger on the reader. That digital print is now in your record. When you vote in person, you use a reader to verify you are who you are. If mailing in, use an app to scan the barcode on the ballot and to scan your fingerprint for matching with the known print. Once the ballot is complete, TAKE A PICTURE OF IT and upload. Now, if the ballot is lost in the mail, destroyed, spoiled or altered enroute to the clerk, they will have a digital image to compare. If they need, they can create a duplicate of the ballot based on your image.
All of this is very possible, but the Dems won't allow any measure that increases security. Fighting against voter's presenting an ID at the poll is proof (not just evidence).
If you watch this video, see which side of the issue you fall on, and what that says about YOU.
https://youtu.be/yW2LpFkVfYk
Typically a digital camera picture is not admissible in a court. Only old fashioned
chemical pictures. Unless you are in Alice's restaurant.
In our society today I have no idea how you can "drop" off the map.
other than voting it is virtually impossible to do a transaction with the
government without ID. Unless it is to allow Democrats to cheat in voting.
Perhaps I'm unusual, but I'm in so many databases it is disturbing.
Finger prints, probably DNA, obvious physical as I have both Federal
and State issued picture ID's, and a paper trail years long. I can still
look up what I paid for property taxes in a different state 30 some years ago.
I'm sure most others are the same way.
So why the hell can't an ID be required for voting???????????
now if you don't want to do any transactions with the Government
that is fine with me, drop off the map. But since you are no longer playing,
don't move the chess pieces when no one is looking.
Obama was once described this way;
" is like a pigeon playing chess, walks on the board, knocking over pieces,
shitting on the board, and then claiming victory" That is a paraphrase of course,
but that is what this latest election looks like.
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Obama was once described this way;
" is like a pigeon playing chess, walks on the board, knocking over pieces,
shitting on the board, and then claiming victory" That is a paraphrase of course,
but that is what this latest election looks like.
Except in Biden's case, he thinks he's playing tiddlywinks.
Knocking over pieces and shitting all over the board are just part of a normal day for him. :shake:
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Do you have a drivers license from the State of Hawaii?
Your fingerprint is already on file if you do.
Do you own guns?
Your fingerprint is already on file if you do.
Do you have a CCW from another state?
Your fingerprint is already on file if you do.
Have you ever served in the military, been a government employee, or held a government security clearance?
Your fingerprint is already on file if you have.
Shut up about bio government database. If gun owners have to register our fingerprints, so should everyone who votes. One civil right is not suppressed by this if another is okay with it. One might argue that voting is more important than owning a gun, since we KNOW we must exercise that right every election cycle. Guns are more of a "just in case" proposition for most of us.
I have all of those, but that's beside the point, I don't support it. But because I live in this world sometimes I have to do things I don't like. That's life.
#privacy #freedom
Ohhhh snappppp. Don't get me started on 23 and me. Tin foil.
100% tinfoil gang on this one.
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Typically a digital camera picture is not admissible in a court. Only old fashioned
chemical pictures. Unless you are in Alice's restaurant.
In our society today I have no idea how you can "drop" off the map.
other than voting it is virtually impossible to do a transaction with the
government without ID. Unless it is to allow Democrats to cheat in voting.
Perhaps I'm unusual, but I'm in so many databases it is disturbing.
Finger prints, probably DNA, obvious physical as I have both Federal
and State issued picture ID's, and a paper trail years long. I can still
look up what I paid for property taxes in a different state 30 some years ago.
I'm sure most others are the same way.
So why the hell can't an ID be required for voting???????????
now if you don't want to do any transactions with the Government
that is fine with me, drop off the map. But since you are no longer playing,
don't move the chess pieces when no one is looking.
Obama was once described this way;
" is like a pigeon playing chess, walks on the board, knocking over pieces,
shitting on the board, and then claiming victory" That is a paraphrase of course,
but that is what this latest election looks like.
Wait what? I'm pretty sure security cam video/photos and cellphones and other digital photos etc have been used in court...
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I have all of those, but that's beside the point, I don't support it. But because I live in this world sometimes I have to do things I don't like. That's life.
#privacy #freedom
100% tinfoil gang on this one.
What you FEEL is beside the point. The actual point is that I'm not suggesting anything that's not already being done a number of other ways for a variety of other reasons. Using your "fear of the man having my prints" as an argument against it for voting purposes is beyond ridiculous.
I'm against certain things, too, but I don't live in Make Believe Land, where those things are able to be inconsistently argued against just because you have an opinion.
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I was just thinking (I know, very dangerous in my case lol!) that a lot of people showed up at the few polls offered on election day instead of doing the mail voting option.
And they braved long lines, ridiculous wait times, sometimes the cold, and the danger of virus infection. But they persevered through these difficulties to do their duty and cast their vote.
These are not frivolous or indifferent voters to me. They would have said "screw this" and gone home. These people cared about the election process and showed they don't trust the mail for something as responsible and important as voting.
Keep on fighting Mr. President. Those people in the lines believe what you believe. And soon many many other people will realize the same.
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I was just thinking (I know, very dangerous in my case lol!) that a lot of people showed up at the few polls offered on election day instead of doing the mail voting option.
And they braved long lines, ridiculous wait times, sometimes the cold, and the danger of virus infection. But they persevered through these difficulties to do their duty and cast their vote.
These are not frivolous or indifferent voters to me. They would have said "screw this" and gone home. These people cared about the election process and showed they don't trust the mail for something as responsible and important as voting.
Keep on fighting Mr. President. Those people in the lines believe what you believe. And soon many many other people will realize the same.
I think mistrust of the USPS is one of many reasons people waited to vote.
- Put off registering, so they have to show up to register before voting.
- Put off mailing in their mail-in ballot and decided to vote since that was the closest place to drop off a mail-in anyway ("Since I'm going to be there...).
- Misplaced their mail-in ballot.
- Never got their mail-in ballot.
- Wanted to make sure their ballot was filled in correctly -- if the scanner rejects it, they can correct it.
- Dropping ballots in collection boxes or in a mailbox days or weeks before the election puts that ballot at risk of being lost, destroyed, spoiled or altered at any point prior to the polls closing. More time = more chance of fraud or accident.
I dropped my mail-in ballot into the election drop-off collection box at Mililani Mauka Park & Ride on election day.
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I personally will only vote by mail, all other options seem like more effort same reward.
Omni, I tried. I really tried. To give you the benefit of the doubt.
If you, or anyone, are too lazy and inconvenienced by voting at an ID validating polling place in a normal year, where polling places are in every community, then you don’t deserve to vote.
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https://www.businessinsider.com/hawaii-just-saw-its-highest-primary-turnout-voted-by-mail-2020-8
I understand there are other methods. Early voting, walk in etc. I am not saying everyone has to vote my mail. Just that its a good option. More options the better. I personally will only vote by mail, all other options seem like more effort same reward.
would you testify in-person against proposed anti2a legislation such as magazine and "assault rifle" bans?
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https://www.businessinsider.com/hawaii-just-saw-its-highest-primary-turnout-voted-by-mail-2020-8
I understand there are other methods. Early voting, walk in etc. I am not saying everyone has to vote my mail. Just that its a good option. More options the better. I personally will only vote by mail, all other options seem like more effort same reward.
The more methods allowed for voting, the less secure the process becomes depending on the percentage of voters exercising the less secure methods.
Let's say you have a LOTTO ticket that won and is worth over $1 million. You have several options:
- Mail it in
- Hire a lawyer in that area to claim it for you (requires using mail or courier service)
- Have a friend or relative in that area claim it for you (requires using mail or courier service)
- Get on a plane, book a hotel and deliver the ticket in person
There may be others, but as long as you signed the back of the ticket, mailing it to the LOTTO office is a valid claim method.
Ignoring all other factors, which method would you choose based solely on your understanding of the chances the ticket will arrive, and you'll get your money??
Being lucky enough to win doesn't mean you'll come out on top of every decision you make after that.
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New election ordered in NJ race marred
by voter fraud charges
PATERSON, N.J. — A judge has ruled that a new election will be held in November for a
disputed Paterson City Council seat, just weeks after the race’s apparent winner and a
sitting councilman were charged with voter fraud.
State Superior Court Judge Ernest Caposela issued his ruling Wednesday.
Alex Mendez had won a special election on May 12 to fill the seat, but claims of voter fraud
were soon raised. An investigation was then launched after the Us Postal Service’s law
enforcement arm told the state attorney general’s office about hundreds of mail-in ballots
located in a mailbox in Paterson, along with more found in nearby Haledon.
Ultimately, the Passaic County Board of Elections decided not to count 800 ballots cast in the
race.
Voter fraud charges were brought in June against Mendez, Paterson Council Vice President
Michael Jackson and two other men: Shelim Khalique, of Wayne, and Abu Rayzen, of Prospect
Park. An attorney for Councilman William McKoy, who had been defeated by Mendez, then
successfully sought an injunction that barred Mendez from being sworn into office.
All four defendants have maintained their innocence.
https://nypost.com/2020/08/20/new-election-ordered-in-nj-race-marred-by-voter-fraud-charges/
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So, you CLAIM mail-in balloting is a "good option". This NJ election would have never been defrauded had the ballots not been sent via the Post Office.
That's MY evidence. Until the system is proven to be secure, trusting it is stupid -- but we already know how you evaluate "risk".
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would you testify in-person against proposed anti2a legislation such as magazine and "assault rifle" bans?
Tbh I shy away from that, for personal reasons.
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Wait what? I'm pretty sure security cam video/photos and cellphones and other digital photos etc have been used in court...
I'm not a lawyer, but I was always taught that because a digital format can be manipulated
that it can't count as fact without an un-broken chain of evidence. I forgot to add that part.
My Bad.
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The more methods allowed for voting, the less secure the process becomes depending on the percentage of voters exercising the less secure methods.
Let's say you have a LOTTO ticket that won and is worth over $1 million. You have several options:
- Mail it in
- Hire a lawyer in that area to claim it for you (requires using mail or courier service)
- Have a friend or relative in that area claim it for you (requires using mail or courier service)
- Get on a plane, book a hotel and deliver the ticket in person
There may be others, but as long as you signed the back of the ticket, mailing it to the LOTTO office is a valid claim method.
Ignoring all other factors, which method would you choose based solely on your understanding of the chances the ticket will arrive, and you'll get your money??
Being lucky enough to win doesn't mean you'll come out on top of every decision you make after that.
You are not the first to come up with these scenarios. Obviously I would choose the most secure, but voting isn't winning the lotto. Tbh, I care far less about voting. My one vote will never sway an election. I always vote but if my ballot didn't get delivered one year, oh well. So the weight of consequences are far different.
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Here's another little gem that sings the praises of mail-in voting ..... :rofl:
Even when there's no intentional fraud, stuffing the ballot box, illegal aliens voting in great numbers, or other attempts to game the system, mail-in balloting just doesn't have the same degree of success as in-person voting.
USPS Fails Mail-In Ballot Test
CBS News decided to test the system upon which the government will entrust the sanctity
of the ballot this November. And the U.S. Postal Service flubbed it.
This is not about gaming the system, or voter fraud, or stuffing the mail with fake ballots
from illegal aliens. This is about the competency of the USPS to deliver official ballots sent
through the mail on time, and to the right people. They proved that the 100 million or more
Americans who plan to mail in their ballots should not expect their vote to be counted unless
they mail it weeks prior to the election deadlines in each state.
And even then there’s no guarantee it will be processed and counted.
The parameters of the test were simple and straightforward. CBS mailed 100 ballots to
locations across Philadelphia in an experiment to see how long it took the ballots to arrive.
A post office box was set up to receive the returned ballots.
A few days later, another 100 ballots were mailed to another 100 locations in the city. The results
should frighten Democrats who claim they are all about “every vote being counted.”
A week after initial ballots were sent, most ballots appeared to be
missing from the P.O. box.
“I don’t see anything back there for you,” a postal worker told Dokoupil
when he received the mail. “That’s all I have back there right now.”
After asking for a manager and explaining the situation to them, the
votes were found.
“They had them somewhere else,” the postal worker said.
Ho-hum, well, no one is perfect. That’s the point, isn’t it?
The mysterious problems at the local post office also included missorted mail.
“We got a birthday card from Mike to Ronnie,” Dokoupil said, as he read a
postcard mistakenly placed in “CBS This Morning’s” P.O. box. “Have a sweet
b-day. Get it? There’s a bee on top.”
The postcard, along with another piece of missorted mail, was then sent to the
correct recipient.
https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/rick-moran/2020/07/25/usps-fails-mail-in-ballot-test-n697455
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I'm not a lawyer, but I was always taught that because a digital format can be manipulated
that it can't count as fact without an un-broken chain of evidence. I forgot to add that part.
My Bad.
All the searching I did shows that it is 100% allowed. Obviously showing that its reasonably authentic.
https://www.chamberslawfirmca.com/can-video-taken-by-a-handheld-device-be-used-as-evidence-in-a-criminal-case/
https://attorney-myers.com/2014/03/photo-video-evidence/
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Tbh I shy away from that, for personal reasons.
All this talk about "bringing Democrats over the 2a side" is just meaningless rhetoric from you. This is why your validity is being attacked. You're either too lazy, too naive or too ignorant to do anything except type away behind a keyboard. You stated yourself, that the range is too far for you to shoot. WTF?
You sound like a colossal, Stonehenge-worthy monument for idiocy.
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I'm not a lawyer, but I was always taught that because a digital format can be manipulated
that it can't count as fact without an un-broken chain of evidence. I forgot to add that part.
My Bad.
For many years after the PC scanners became common, the law still treated a FAXed signature as a legal signature, but they balked at saying a digitally copied signature on a PC was the same.
Now, with newer technology, the authenticity of a digital document and the signature can be verified. So, yes, a scan of a handwritten signature, a digitally signed document using an encrypted key, and a document signed using a third-party verification service like DocuSign are all legal in court now.
Even digital photos that were once viewed as easy to manipulate are admissible as long as a forensic expert can verify the contents of the document are unaltered from the original create date and time. With digital watermarks, that become quite easy now.
I used to save checksums of my important documents. That could be used in an instant to see if the document has been altered.
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All this talk about "bringing Democrats over the 2a side" is just meaningless rhetoric from you. This is why your validity is being attacked. You're either too lazy, too naive or too ignorant to do anything except type away behind a keyboard. You stated yourself, that the range is too far for you to shoot. WTF?
Without delving into personal/family reasons, I advocate in ways comfortable/applicable to myself. I have attended rallies but draw the line around there. I am willing to meet you in real life still. But just because people have levels of things they are willing to do does not take away from their efforts. I am a little lazy.
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You are not the first to come up with these scenarios. Obviously I would choose the most secure, but voting isn't winning the lotto. Tbh, I care far less about voting. My one vote will never sway an election. I always vote but if my ballot didn't get delivered one year, oh well. So the weight of consequences are far different.
So, in your OPINION, the mail is secure enough to select the most powerful 2 people in the nation, and by most measures in the world, but it's not secure enough for you to trust something of financial value?
This conversation is not about YOU as an individual. It's about the process used IN ALL STATES. Nobody give a flying fuck whether you think YOUR vote counts. It's about whether or not PA, MI, WI, NV, AZ, GA, NC and FL can trust the results of a mail-in election. THAT does impact us all, including you.
I guess you still have a "Big Picture", "Forest for the Trees" impediment.
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So, in your OPINION, the mail is secure enough to select the most powerful 2 people in the nation, and by most measures in the world, but it's not secure enough for you to trust something of financial value?
This conversation is not about YOU as an individual. It's about the process used IN ALL STATES. Nobody give a flying fuck whether you think YOUR vote counts. It's about whether or not PA, MI, WI, NV, AZ, GA, NC and FL can trust the results of a mail-in election. THAT does impact us all, including you.
I guess you still have a "Big Picture", "Forest for the Trees" impediment.
Yes if its 99.5% that's good enough for me. But obviously in your scenario I had the option of 99.9% which required a significant amount more effort, but for money it was worth it. For a vote, nope.
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Without delving into personal/family reasons, I advocate in ways comfortable/applicable to myself. I have attended rallies but draw the line around there. I am willing to meet you in real life still. But just because people have levels of things they are willing to do does not take away from their efforts. I am a little lazy.
We established that a long time ago, but it took until now for you to admit it.
At this point, I'm starting to think having you give you opinion on gun control bills might not be wise.
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Yes if its 99.5% that's good enough for me. But obviously in your scenario I had the option of 99.9% which required a significant amount more effort, but for money it was worth it. For a vote, nope.
Where did you get this 99+% BS?
Did you not read the article I posted about the test? Even without malicious parties messing with the system, the Post Office lost MOST of the ballots. That's 50% or more GONE.
Do you even read these post, or do you just type like an out-of-control Zombie Troll?
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Where did you get this 99+% BS?
Did you not read the article I posted about the test? Even without malicious parties messing with the system, the Post Office lost MOST of the ballots. That's 50% or more GONE.
Do you even read these post, or do you just type like an out-of-control Zombie Troll?
A single unverified random test to PO boxes. Sure will overrule all personal experience and people I know. Worst case it doesn't get delivered and your vote doesn't count, it doesn't transform for the opposite party. If anything if this was the case it would only help republicans. 97% is enough for me to trust it for my vote.
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Check it out...
Why Do Most Countries Ban Mail-In Ballots?: They Have Seen Massive Vote Fraud Problems
141 Pages Posted: 9 Aug 2020 Last revised: 21 Aug 2020
John R. Lott
US Department of Justice
Date Written: August 3, 2020
https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3666259 (https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3666259)
Excerpt from abstract:
Most developed countries ban absentee ballots unless the citizen is living abroad or require Photo-IDs to obtain those ballots. Even higher percentages of European Union or other European countries ban absentee for in country voters. In addition, some countries that allow voting by mail for citizens living the country don’t allow it for everyone. For example, Japan and Poland have limited mail-in voting to those who have special certificates verifying that they are disabled.
France has made an exception this year to the ban on absentee ballots to those who are sick or at particular risk during the Coronavirus pandemic. Poland and two cities in Russia have adopted mail-in ballots for elections this year only, but most countries haven't changed their regulations.
France banned absentee voting in 1975 because of massive fraud in Corsica, where postal ballots were stolen or bought and voters cast multiple votes. Mail-in ballots were used to cast the votes of dead people. Examples for other countries are provided.
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Without delving into personal/family reasons, I advocate in ways comfortable/applicable to myself. I have attended rallies but draw the line around there. I am willing to meet you in real life still. But just because people have levels of things they are willing to do does not take away from their efforts. I am a little lazy.
if by "attended", you mean come late, stand outside the group of people, and then leave early, then yes, you "attended" one rally
i don't recall seeing you at more than one...
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A single unverified random test to PO boxes. Sure will overrule all personal experience and people I know. Worst case it doesn't get delivered and your vote doesn't count, it doesn't transform for the opposite party. If anything if this was the case it would only help republicans. 97% is enough for me to trust it for my vote.
so first it's 99.5% threshold, then when challenge, it is magically 97%?
methinks you are a bit more than a little lazy...
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A single unverified random test to PO boxes. Sure will overrule all personal experience and people I know. Worst case it doesn't get delivered and your vote doesn't count, it doesn't transform for the opposite party. If anything if this was the case it would only help republicans.
Unverified? :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: It was conducted by CBS News, one of the most Liberal-Progressive-anti-Trump Networks in the MSM. Do you honestly think they were biased? That they somehow rigged their own test to FAIL? They presented the process for the test -- not rocket science at all.
The Post Office is notorious for misdirected and lost mail. They are not unique, but they tend to lose things more often than commercial carriers.
This test was performed under simple, normal 'use case' procedures. They weren't testing a new drug and needing a blind control group, or comparing the Post Office with any other method of voting. They simply wanted to see if the mail system can handle millions upon millions of ballots with no significant problems.
The results speak for themselves. If you choose to ignore that reality, we can't do anything more than educate you.
You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him THINK.
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Here is an opinion piece (in one of omni's favorite sources, Newsweek) by Dr. Lott, author of the above 141-page research paper as to why most countries have rejected mail-in voting due to susceptibility to fraud:
Voting Fraud Is a Real Concern. Just Look Around the World
JOHN R. LOTT, JR. , PRESIDENT, CRIME PREVENTION RESEARCH CENTER
https://www.newsweek.com/voting-fraud-real-concern-just-look-around-world-opinion-1522535 (https://www.newsweek.com/voting-fraud-real-concern-just-look-around-world-opinion-1522535)
Excerpt:
President Trump's comments on Thursday and Friday about voter fraud with mail-in ballots have sent the media into a frenzy. One "news" article after another since then has asserted that President Trump's warning is "baseless" (Associated Press and The Washington Post) or "without evidence" (The New York Times, Politico and NBC News).
Liberals and progressives often try to model the U.S. on Western European countries, but you never hear them arguing that we should adopt their voting rules. There is a reason for that. Banning mail-in voting or requiring people to use photo IDs to obtain a mail-in ballot is quite common in developed countries, especially in Europe.
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A single unverified random test to PO boxes. Sure will overrule all personal experience and people I know. Worst case it doesn't get delivered and your vote doesn't count, it doesn't transform for the opposite party. If anything if this was the case it would only help republicans. 97% is enough for me to trust it for my vote.
If we weren't in the middle of "the stupidest things I've ever heard in my life week," this would have been at the top of my list.
Here's a hint, little disrupter:
Republicans want the rules to apply evenly and fairly to everyone, because we know that, given a chance to be heard, our ideas win on the MERITS. We don't want or need a skewed system to suppress Democrat votes. Their radical ideas do that enough already.
What 97%? Where are you getting these stats??
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Reminds me of that juice commercial. You wouldn't accept a 97% complete car or roof. Why let you juice be any different. We use 100% real fruit juice.
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If we weren't in the middle of "the stupidest things I've ever heard in my life week," this would have been at the top of my list.
Here's a hint, little disrupter:
Republicans want the rules to apply evenly and fairly to everyone, because we know that, given a chance to be heard, our ideas win on the MERITS. We don't want or need a skewed system to suppress Democrat votes. Their radical ideas do that enough already.
What 97%? Where are you getting these stats??
Your own study said 97 out of 100 delivered that's 97% success rate... also I don't trust CBS they too liberal.. same way I don't trust brietbart. The Republicans thing was not a jam against you but that mail in votes which are a majority democrat are influencing the election in a way to cause Trump to lose. Lost democrat votes can't make Trump lose the vote...
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Reminds me of that juice commercial. You wouldn't accept a 97% complete car or roof. Why let you juice be any different. We use 100% real fruit juice.
The thing is, while he's comfortable PERSONALLY that HIS vote has a reasonable change of making it to be counted, he completely ignores that even a 3% rate of failure is enough to swing many races in a state with close vote counts.
I guess he doesn't mind someone losing due to a "glitch" in the mail-in system, because "lazy".
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Your own study said 97 out of 100 delivered that's 97% success rate... also I don't trust CBS they too liberal.. same way I don't trust brietbart. The Republicans thing was not a jam against you but that mail in votes which are a majority democrat are influencing the election in a way to cause Trump to lose. Lost democrat votes can't make Trump lose the vote...
:facepalm:
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Reminds me of that juice commercial. You wouldn't accept a 97% complete car or roof. Why let you juice be any different. We use 100% real fruit juice.
The thing is, while he's comfortable PERSONALLY that HIS vote has a reasonable change of making it to be counted, he completely ignores that even a 3% rate of failure is enough to swing many races in a state with close vote counts.
I guess he doesn't mind someone losing due to a "glitch" in the mail-in system, because "lazy".
Remember just like it's your freedom to vote, it's also your freedom to not. And it's your freedom to take a chance. I happen to be comfortable taking a good odds chance my vote gets delivered and counted. It's all up to the person. Let freedom prevail.
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Your own study said 97 out of 100 delivered that's 97% success rate... also I don't trust CBS they too liberal.. same way I don't trust brietbart. The Republicans thing was not a jam against you but that mail in votes which are a majority democrat are influencing the election in a way to cause Trump to lose. Lost democrat votes can't make Trump lose the vote...
Did you even bother to read beyond the first sentence in that paragraph?
Out of the initial batch mailed a week earlier, 97 out of 100 votes had arrived.
Three simulated persons, or 3% of voters, were effectively disenfranchised by
mail by giving their ballots a week to arrive. In a close election, 3% could be
pivotal.
Four days after mailing the second batch of mock ballots, 21% of the
votes hadn’t arrived.
According to Postal Service recommendations, “voters should mail their return ballots
at least one week prior to the due date.”
However, nearly half of all states still allow voters to request ballots less than a week
before the election.
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Did you even bother to read beyond the first sentence in that paragraph?
he's a little lazy...
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he's a little lazy...
If he's a little lazy, then RBG is a little under the weather.
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I think it was the other thread on elections, but much of this is principle. If one is just ok with that, I guess. . .
Principle on votes being counted PROPERLY, based on rule of LAW. Not at the whim of some official. Voting is one of the few rights we enjoy, at least I think used to, close to original intent. Gerrymangering aside.
Principle to investigate even allegations of misconduct before rushing to judge. While I personally don't believe Trump will come out as the next President, if one doesn't have at least doubts on recent elections overall while things are investigated, then that's quite naive.
Principle on coverage of the issues to sway or avoid it bubbling to the surface. It is the VOTE that determines winners of elections, not the media. I wish people would get those things straight.
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he's a little lazy...
But he expects everyone to read everything he posts. As well as provide "proof" that he's wrong, even when he doesn't post anything of substance to back his "statements".
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I was just thinking (I know, very dangerous in my case lol!) that a lot of people showed up at the few polls offered on election day instead of doing the mail voting option.
And they braved long lines, ridiculous wait times, sometimes the cold, and the danger of virus infection. But they persevered through these difficulties to do their duty and cast their vote.
These are not frivolous or indifferent voters to me. They would have said "screw this" and gone home. These people cared about the election process and showed they don't trust the mail for something as responsible and important as voting.
Keep on fighting Mr. President. Those people in the lines believe what you believe. And soon many many other people will realize the same.
I voted absentee ballot. And I dropped it off at a certified drop off location instead of mailing it. My wife has only voted once in the almost 30 years I have known her. She saw what was happening to the country and she, on her own without my help, registered to vote and asked me to take her to the polling place on Election Day. Which I did. We stood in line for almost 2 1/2 hours in the direct sun. For those of you who don’t know my wife is disabled and it was a hardship for her. Also, she is an at risk person and didn’t care we were much less than 6’ from others in an enclosed space when we got close to the voting booths. She wanted so badly to make her voice heard and vote that she did it without complaining. I am very proud of her. We stood in line with some who were much more disabled than my wife. And there were a lot of 80 somethings in line. There was even a guy who sat in the parking lot all day with chairs and water for those who had a hard time standing for so long in the hot sun. He also escorted all the old and disabled to their cars after they voted as the parking lot was quite large. Poll workers came out every half hour to give us an update on how long the wait was. My wife was given a sharpie to cast her vote and she couldn’t use it due top her nerve damage. They had to destroy her first ballot and reprint another one for her. She found a blue ball point pen in her purse and voted using that pen. I did not see one person leave even though the wait was 2 1/2 hours to vote. Most wore Patriotic and/or Trump shirts, hats and other things. It is our votes from our county that they have not counted yet and/or are still counting. I hope we make a difference.
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I voted absentee ballot. And I dropped it off at a certified drop off location instead of mailing it. My wife has only voted once in the almost 30 years I have known her. She saw what was happening to the country and she, on her own without my help, registered to vote and asked me to take her to the polling place on Election Day. Which I did. We stood in line for almost 2 1/2 hours in the direct sun. For those of you who don’t know my wife is disabled and it was a hardship for her. Also, she is an at risk person and didn’t care we were much less than 6’ from others in an enclosed space when we got close to the voting booths. She wanted so badly to make her voice heard and vote that she did it without complaining. I am very proud of her. We stood in line with some who were much more disabled than my wife. And there were a lot of 80 somethings in line. There was even a guy who sat in the parking lot all day with chairs and water for those who had a hard time standing for so long in the hot sun. He also escorted all the old and disabled to their cars after they voted as the parking lot was quite large. Poll workers came out every half hour to give us an update on how long the wait was. My wife was given a sharpie to cast her vote and she couldn’t use it due top her nerve damage. They had to destroy her first ballot and reprint another one for her. She found a blue ball point pen in her purse and voted using that pen. I did not see one person leave even though the wait was 2 1/2 hours to vote. Most wore Patriotic and/or Trump shirts, hats and other things. It is our votes from our county that they have not counted yet and/or are still counting. I hope we make a difference.
Now that right there shows appreciation for the right to vote! :thumbsup:
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https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-11-17/trump-attacks-on-vote-cost-him-in-georgia-gop-official-says
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https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-11-17/trump-attacks-on-vote-cost-him-in-georgia-gop-official-says
Bloomberg said they would not give Trump ANY positive press while the election is going on.
So, you know where this article belongs ....
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I think the election went about as good as it could have given the nature of everything that was going on.
I personally trust the results are, for the most part accurate.
I figured Biden would win due to Trump's performance and I was right.
I hoped we would keep of gain seats in congress and it looks like we have done that so I am glad there.
Trump was irresponsible in undermining the faith people have in the elections, just another example of how he has failed as a leader.
The voter turn out was bigger than it has ever been before, I am glad we got so much participation.
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https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-fires-top-cybersecurity-official-chris-krebs-via-tweet-for-debunking-his-rigged-election-claims
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https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-fires-top-cybersecurity-official-chris-krebs-via-tweet-for-debunking-his-rigged-election-claims
The problems with the election are not clearly a cybersecurity issue. For Krebs to publicly put out a contradictory statement that undermines the President's position on ELECTION TAMPERING was not his place.
Trump is not under investigation for RUSSIA!!RUSSIA!!RUSSIA!! now, so he's free to fire all the swap critters that raise their treasonous heads.
There is EVIDENCE the software from Dominion had real security and certification problems. The results in this election show there were problems. You have to wonder what the motivation was for Krebs to make that comment in the middle of Trump's law suits.
One can only guess, but I bet it has something to do with refilling the Swamp.
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The problems with the election are not clearly a cybersecurity issue. For Krebs to publicly put out a contradictory statement that undermines the President's position on ELECTION TAMPERING was not his place.
Trump is not under investigation for RUSSIA!!RUSSIA!!RUSSIA!! now, so he's free to fire all the swap critters that raise their treasonous heads.
There is EVIDENCE the software from Dominion had real security and certification problems. The results in this election show there were problems. You have to wonder what the motivation was for Krebs to make that comment in the middle of Trump's law suits.
One can only guess, but I bet it has something to do with refilling the Swamp.
Cyber security employee, said election is secure. Gets fired, republican's praise him for his job. You keep saying there is evidence of Dominion having security and certification problems, but the national security agency says otherwise. Maybe they know of the flaws and know it wasn't exploited? Who knows. His motivation? Maybe he was doing his job? You know the ones other people praised him including republicans said he was going a good job at? Swamp critter? That's laughable. Its not the swamp, its the opposite, trump is creating his own swamp with only parrots like you who think he is king.
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Cyber security employee, said election is secure. Gets fired, republican's praise him for his job. You keep saying there is evidence of Dominion having security and certification problems, but the national security agency says otherwise. Maybe they know of the flaws and know it wasn't exploited? Who knows. His motivation? Maybe he was doing his job? You know the ones other people praised him including republicans said he was going a good job at? Swamp critter? That's laughable. Its not the swamp, its the opposite, trump is creating his own swamp with only parrots like you who think he is king.
The states certified and procured Dominion systems, not the NSA. The feds have NO mandate or authority to spend federal funding evaluating software that states control.
There are people in IT who think they know everything. These are the people who allow hackers to get into DNC mail servers and infiltrate social media to create distrust in an election.
Ask yourself why the NSA is even looking into Dominion if there's never been any evidence of widespread cybersecurity problems in an election? Sounds like they have enough to do with China, Russia and European hackers trying daily to compromise more important cyber systems than election machines.
There's a reason the Constitution lets the states run their own elections. They don't want the Feds to have any influence over the processes. NSA should not be involved. Our elections are not a national security concern without evidence of direct international tampering.
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I think the election went about as good as it could have given the nature of everything that was going on.
I personally trust the results are, for the most part accurate.
I figured Biden would win due to Trump's performance and I was right.
I hoped we would keep of gain seats in congress and it looks like we have done that so I am glad there.
Trump was irresponsible in undermining the faith people have in the elections, just another example of how he has failed as a leader.
The voter turn out was bigger than it has ever been before, I am glad we got so much participation.
Hey EEF, I took you off my ignore list and this is the first post I see from you.
I just want to elaborate on the highlighted statement above. We gained seats in the house but the Democrats still have the majority and control. We lost one seat in the senate so far. It is currently 50 to 48 with Republicans having 50. But there are still 2 senate seats up for runoff elections in GA. If one or both of those senate seats go Republican then your statement about keeping seats in congress would be generally true but not completely accurate since one seat was lost in the senate. If both those seats go to the Democrats then the senate would be tied 50-50 with the tie breaker going to Kamala Harris (Or whoever is Vice President at the time). Which means the Democrats would have complete control of all of congress and the presidency. That would mean there will no longer be a system of checks and balances in our government. Which is why a vote for Biden becomes so crucial in this election. Like him or not, keeping Trump in office may have been the last line of defense assuming the Senate goes to the Democrats. We’ll just have to wait and see what the outcome of those 2 senate races will be. Unfortunately, I don’t think we’ll see the results until sometime in January.
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The US military seized a server in Germany. This server received the data from the Dominion and other voting machines and that the data showed that Trump won the election by a landslide 410 electoral votes. Even California, Nevada, Arizona, and New Mexico was red which some were painted blue by the fake media, Watch the video:
https://rumble.com/vb78yp-ep.-2331b-ds-fantasy-land-who-holds-the-power-we-the-people-operators-activ.html
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The US military seized a server in Germany. This server received the data from the Dominion and other voting machines and that the data showed that Trump won the election by a landslide 410 electoral votes. Even California, Nevada, Arizona, and New Mexico was red which some were painted blue by the fake media, Watch the video:
https://rumble.com/vb78yp-ep.-2331b-ds-fantasy-land-who-holds-the-power-we-the-people-operators-activ.html
I hope all of this occurs. I want to see this go to SCOTUS.
This video offers a good question. Why would the Main Stream Media and the Democrats insist that Biden is the President Elect when it isn’t true. And it is not true. Joe Biden is not the President Elect. The election results have not been certified and called yet. Why is the left and the media insisting on a lie? There is a very good reason for it.
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The AP and the media have been calling elections for over 100 years why is it now only a concern?
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I hope all of this occurs. I want to see this go to SCOTUS.
This video offers a good question. Why would the Main Stream Media and the Democrats insist that Biden is the President Elect when it isn’t true. And it is not true. Joe Biden is not the President Elect. The election results have not been certified and called yet. Why is the left and the media insisting on a lie? There is a very good reason for it.
All about the ratings baybay. . .
On the news this morning, HNN reported that "time is running out" and that many states are scheduled to certify end of the week and early Monday. Same with when COVID first hit and many news outlets were quick to sensationalize the pandemic, when it was in China and Korea (at least at the time). While these issues are serious, they only serve to push panic. And sadly, so many have fallen head first into "belief".
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So now when GOP senators or officials are trying to call for an investigation or any type of recount, they are being threatened via anti Trump people. 1 of Trumps law groups has also received death threats for each attorney involved, which was why they decided to quit.
No election interference here either. Like I said, the left wants everyone to comply, not unity.
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All about the ratings baybay. . .
On the news this morning, HNN reported that "time is running out" and that many states are scheduled to certify end of the week and early Monday. Same with when COVID first hit and many news outlets were quick to sensationalize the pandemic, when it was in China and Korea (at least at the time). While these issues are serious, they only serve to push panic. And sadly, so many have fallen head first into "belief".
Don't they have until Dec 24th for their electoral vote to be received in DC? And most meet by Dec 14? Unless there is a dead line for any disputes.
The reason why the media was so quick to call Biden is so if Trump is right and there is fraud (we have already seen it), the violence by the left will be justified in their eyes. I watched the results hour by hour and Biden's wins were always called way ahead of any Trump wins. Example CA only had a total of 1,000,000 votes counted and they gave CA to Biden. Over 10,000,000 votes were cast. Same with WA. They gave Biden WA when only 20K votes were tallied. OR had only about 14K votes tallied and they gave that to Biden also. Lets not forget HI, polls still open and they gave Biden HI. Last vote wasn't cast and results released until 10pm. The head of the election said that they cannot release any results until the last person in line votes because they don't want to influence them. The mail in votes were done and ready to be released as soon as the last person voted.
Then AK, had about 100K and Trump had a 2:1 lead on Biden and AK wasn't called yet. The media is doing this to paint the picture that Biden was always ahead and is the rightful president.
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Don't they have until Dec 24th for their electoral vote to be received in DC? And most meet by Dec 14? Unless there is a dead line for any disputes.
The reason why the media was so quick to call Biden is so if Trump is right and there is fraud (we have already seen it), the violence by the left will be justified in their eyes. I watched the results hour by hour and Biden's wins were always called way ahead of any Trump wins. Example CA only had a total of 1,000,000 votes counted and they gave CA to Biden. Over 10,000,000 votes were cast. Same with WA. They gave Biden WA when only 20K votes were tallied. OR had only about 14K votes tallied and they gave that to Biden also. Lets not forget HI, polls still open and they gave Biden HI. Last vote wasn't cast and results released until 10pm. The head of the election said that they cannot release any results until the last person in line votes because they don't want to influence them. The mail in votes were done and ready to be released as soon as the last person voted.
Then AK, had about 100K and Trump had a 2:1 lead on Biden and AK wasn't called yet. The media is doing this to paint the picture that Biden was always ahead and is the rightful president.
No way! Media is like, totally unbiased. . .dude. . .
Does the media certify the election? No, but what can they influence? Or at least try to influence? And it seems to be working with some. . . apparently.
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The AP and the media have been calling elections for over 100 years why is it now only a concern?
The media is able to call elections based on obvious results -- races that are not toss-ups.
But, when states are so close that a recount is automatic, the state should remain a toss-up and NOT BE CALLED by ANYONE.
Until a state certifies their election results, they can change. The media calling the elections early not only interferes with the election itself, but it creates a false opinion in the public's mind that one candidate has won, and in the face of legitimate, rightfully legal challenges, the one contesting the results is "refusing to accept the outcome." As if the outcome was already certified.
If the margin of victory is > 2% with 90%+ districts reporting, it's a given that the race is 99.9% over. In the case of swing states where Trump was tens of thousands of, and even over a hundred thousand, votes ahead of Biden which overnight swung to Biden (while no GOP poll watchers could verify the results), then the numbers are suspect.
You still don't get that a fair and honest election requires the opportunity for ALL PARTIES to observe the ballot counting, right?
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The AP and the media have been calling elections for over 100 years why is it now only a concern?
Because it's not official!
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The AP and the media have been calling elections for over 100 years why is it now only a concern?
It' s not only now. Why don't you ask that of Albert Gore, Jr., who, after the media called Florida for Bush, conceded the election, only to withdraw his concession the next day when it turned out the Florida result was in question, despite the media call. Gore gave up after 37 days of litigation, but not because Florida had been definitively counted accurately, but because he bowed to pressure to "just give it up and concede". I'm hoping Trump follows Hillary's advice to Biden, "Never concede under any circumstances".
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It' s not only now. Why don't you ask that of Albert Gore, Jr., who, after the media called Florida for Bush, conceded the election, only to withdraw his concession the next day when it turned out the Florida result was in question, despite the media call. Gore gave up after 37 days of litigation, but not because Florida had been definitively counted accurately, but because he bowed to pressure to "just give it up and concede". I'm hoping Trump follows Hillary's advice to Biden, "Never concede under any circumstances".
I was like who TF is albert. It just sounds funny.
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I was like who TF is albert. It just sounds funny.
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Just trying to be respectful. I didn't want to seem "familiar" with the inventor of the internet and world-renowned climate scientist.
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Fog City Midge from Steve Bannon's War Room Pandemic with 8 minutes of brief interviews with a few of the people who showed up in D.C. last weekend to support the President and encourage him not to give up the battle to have only legal votes counted.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0w9EHhvCz8M
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For those interested:
Searches are better done on "duckduckgo" as this will produce better results. Searches done on the other browser seem to produce site indicating that the event did not happen. It is interesting that the Scytl website seems to be down.
Other websites of interest:
https://humansarefree.com/2020/11/major-bombshell-election-took-place-under-national-emergency.html
https://meaninginhistory.blogspot.com/2020/11/did-us-raid-scytl-and-seize-election.html
https://gellerreport.com/2020/11/team-trump-election-fraud-press-conference-president-donald-trump-won-by-a-landslide-and-we-are-going-to-prove-it.html/
This is my first time posting so, please be kind.
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Trump tweets Tucker Carlson video about Big Tech Election Interference.
https://rumble.com/vbdljl-trump-tweets-video-of-tucker-carlson.html
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https://www.foxnews.com/politics/federal-appeals-court-dismisses-trump-campaign-lawsuit-pennsylvania-voting-procedures
3 REPUBLICAN appointed judges just dismissed one of the few remaining cases Trump brought. Guess its not looking good for his claims.
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https://www.foxnews.com/politics/federal-appeals-court-dismisses-trump-campaign-lawsuit-pennsylvania-voting-procedures
3 REPUBLICAN appointed judges just dismissed one of the few remaining cases Trump brought. Guess its not looking good for his claims.
Thats what scotus is for. So its good they ruled that way.
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Thats what scotus is for. So its good they ruled that way.
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You do know a dismissed case can't go to SCOTUS right?
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Maybe its possible that all the elections officials are corrupt and in collusion with a cabal of evil characters and the results are fake and all your conspiracy fantasies are real, in spite of the total lack of any evidence.
Or maybe Occam’s razor applies.
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Maybe its possible that all the elections officials are corrupt and in collusion with a cabal of evil characters and the results are fake and all your conspiracy fantasies are real, in spite of the total lack of any evidence.
Or maybe Occam’s razor applies.
Yeah? Why don't you lay out the Occam's Razor case for us. Please be specific and detailed. Thanks.
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Hey Punatic:
"Yeah? Why don't you lay out the Occam's Razor case for us. Please be specific and detailed. Thanks."
No evidence, no proof, just ranting about wishes and fantasies of fraud, all court cases failing. More lies and disinformation from Mr Trump and Giuliani. Its pretty dang obvious the simplest explanation applies, that the election outcome is clear and legit.
Even Fox news and Rush Limbaugh agree.
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Soros spent over $32B this election cycle. Where did it go? Who got paid?
There's no conspiracy.
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Soros spent over $34B this election cycle. Where did it go? Who got paid?
There's no conspiracy.
Got sources? That's atlot of money he isn't even rich enough to do that practically.
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Hey Punatic:
"Yeah? Why don't you lay out the Occam's Razor case for us. Please be specific and detailed. Thanks."
No evidence, no proof, just ranting about wishes and fantasies of fraud, all court cases failing. More lies and disinformation from Mr Trump and Giuliani. Its pretty dang obvious the simplest explanation applies, that the election outcome is clear and legit.
Even Fox news and Rush Limbaugh agree.
Yup. 2016 was no mass fraud cause we won. 2020? We lost must be fraud, can't be that trumps an idiot most of the time, he's my idol long live the emperor.
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WOMBLE
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Got sources? That's atlot of money he isn't even rich enough to do that practically.
Funny you would ask for sources, yet you seem to be short on sources for most of your claims.
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Got sources? That's atlot of money he isn't even rich enough to do that practically.
There's personal wealth, then there's foundations, charities and fundraising groups that accumulate billions, like the Clinton Foundation and Biden Cancer Research Foundation. Money laundering.
Most of the donations are from Soros Management Fund, the hedge fund he manages. There are also many $10K donations to parties and PACs from his relatives. $10K happens to be the max you can gift another person before the recipient has to pay taxes on it. Hmm....
Go to Open Secrets, and browse through all the donations from Soros from 2017 through 2020.
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There's personal wealth, then there's foundations, charities and fundraising groups that accumulate billions, like the Clinton Foundation and Biden Cancer Research Foundation. Money laundering.
Both sides have that. You got a point? You made a statement and it was wrong. I guess this is the 0.03%.
There are plenty of super pacs, billions spent, ads bought all within everyone's right. Money is speech.
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Hey Punatic:
"Yeah? Why don't you lay out the Occam's Razor case for us. Please be specific and detailed. Thanks."
No evidence, no proof, just ranting about wishes and fantasies of fraud, all court cases failing. More lies and disinformation from Mr Trump and Giuliani. Its pretty dang obvious the simplest explanation applies, that the election outcome is clear and legit.
Even Fox news and Rush Limbaugh agree.
Are you ignorant or a liar? Are you claiming that the hundreds of affidavits, sworn under penalty of perjury, by various eye-witness observers of various vote tabulation processes, and the mathematical and statistical "anomalies" attested to by various PhD mathematicians and statisticians simply don't exist? Or that they are all fraudulent? Or they are all false or erroneous? Prove it with Occam's Razor. Or by any other means. I mean real proof, not just covering your eyes and ears and shouting LALALALALALA.
You can say, over and over, "no evidence, no proof, blah blah blah", but that does not make it so. Not even a little bit. To truly apply Occam's Razor you need to consider all the evidence, whether you like the evidence or not, or you have to prove that what is submitted as evidence is false. Neither you nor anyone else has even remotely done so. You just blather on and on "no evidence".
Are you claiming that people such as former Naval commanding officer Gregory Stenstrom is incompetent or a liar in his testimony before the Pennsylvania Senate hearing? [video below... and he was just one of many who testified, who were only a few of the many many more having signed sworn affidavits.] Prove it. Otherwise, you have to include what all parties deem to be their evidence and account for all phenomena using the simplest explanation. When looked at properly Occam's Razor comes down on the side of all the "irregularities" being most comprehensively explained as a result of incompetence, malfeasance, mismanagement, misapplication of law, "errors" and fraud.
Let's see you explain this set of facts using Occam's Razor. It's the Wisconsin "Indefinitely Confined" voter registrations for the past 11 years. The law was intended to allow people who are full-time confined (i.e. "indefinitely"), and will likely remain in that condition, such as in nursing homes or long term care facilities the opportunity to vote without leaving the premises of their residence.
As is very simple to see, the average number of people granted "Indefinitely Confined" voter registration status, meaning they could file a mail-in ballot with no ID requirement, for the prior 10 years was 4,071. For this year's election the number was 169,282, which is a mere 41.6 TIMES the average of each of the prior 10 years. That alone should be subject to Occam's Razor. Add on top of that the a relatively small sample tracing of the names and addresses of those "Indefinitely Confined" voters discovered that many of them had social media accounts that included photos of them involved in various activities such as skiing and hiking. Put your Occam's Razor on that.
P.S. The statistician and his group that assembled that data and ran the follow-ups tentatively (pending further tracing, etc.) hypothesize that of those 169,282 "Indefinitely Confined" voters registered in 2020, that likely approximately 155,000 are fraudulent.
(https://i.imgur.com/2nwvUxH.png?1)
More testimony from the Pennsylvania Senate hearing. 14 minutes.
Data scientist testified that he observed a "forensically destructive" process on election night.
Gregory Stenstrom, a Navy veteran commanding officer, data scientist, computer forensic scientist, and expert in security and fraud from #Delaware County, testified that he observed a "forensically destructive" process on election night that should call into question anywhere from 100,000 to 120,000 votes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VW3I7eFQbbo&feature=emb_logo
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Its almost as if there was some sort of reason people would want to vote by mail this year. I can't figure it out, maybe its covid. Also maybe just maybe because so many people voted this year. Be new voters or people who feel strongly political for various reasons voted this year. Perhaps many indefinitely considered people...We didn't reach world record breaking vote totals out of thin air. We definitely don't have, perhaps the worlds most polarizing president race in recent times. Must be fraud....
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Its almost as if there was some sort of reason people would want to vote by mail this year. I can't figure it out, maybe its covid. Also maybe just maybe because so many people voted this year. Be new voters or people who feel strongly political for various reasons voted this year. Perhaps many indefinitely considered people...We didn't reach world record breaking vote totals out of thin air. We definitely don't have, perhaps the worlds most polarizing president race in recent times. Must be fraud....
Occams razor says no
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Its almost as if there was some sort of reason people would want to vote by mail this year. I can't figure it out, maybe its covid. Also maybe just maybe because so many people voted this year. Be new voters or people who feel strongly political for various reasons voted this year. Perhaps many indefinitely considered people...We didn't reach world record breaking vote totals out of thin air. We definitely don't have, perhaps the worlds most polarizing president race in recent times. Must be fraud....
If they wanted to vote by mail, why not allow them to request absentee ballots instead of shotgunning out millions of ballots to people who may no longer reside in that state or are ineligible to vote (felons, mental incapacitated, etc.)?
Your point is that the LAWS don't matter if there's a major problem affecting people. People were allowed out to shop, work all kinds of jobs that were deemed "critical", operate gas stations, drive trucks, work at airports, work at Amazon, etc, etc, etc. The CDC said voting in person was safe.
But YOU think the risk was so great, nobody should have been forced to vote in person? So much for taking the advice of the experts!! :wacko: :popcorn:
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Both sides have that. You got a point? You made a statement and it was wrong. I guess this is the 0.03%.
There are plenty of super pacs, billions spent, ads bought all within everyone's right. Money is speech.
How many statements have you made that are provably wrong?
Oh, yeah. "None" according to you.
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https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-paid-3m-for-wisconsin-recount-increased-bidens-victory-margin-2020-11
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Keep forgetting the other thread is the echo chamber
https://apnews.com/article/election-2020-joe-biden-donald-trump-elections-william-barr-b1f1488796c9a98c4b1a9061a6c7f49d
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Keep forgetting the other thread is the echo chamber
https://apnews.com/article/election-2020-joe-biden-donald-trump-elections-william-barr-b1f1488796c9a98c4b1a9061a6c7f49d
Keep forgetting? Or just too emotional to care?
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Keep forgetting? Or just too emotional to care?
Technically facts against fraud are still fraud evidence but just not the ones you are looking for.
https://www.fox13news.com/news/barr-no-evidence-of-fraud-thatd-change-election-outcome
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Technically facts against fraud are still fraud evidence but just not the ones you are looking for.
https://www.fox13news.com/news/barr-no-evidence-of-fraud-thatd-change-election-outcome
There's no evidence that OMNIGUN is a male.
Therefore, he must be a girl.
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There's no evidence that OMNIGUN is a male.
Therefore, he must be a girl.
Let me guess, her name is Karen and she owns a white cat named Smudge.
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There's no evidence that OMNIGUN is a male.
Therefore, he must be a girl.
You too, you could be a girl. Or perhaps you could identify as a unicorn to match your mythical beliefs. If you want to see my dick so much to prove I'm a guy you just had to ask. No need be shy, I've sent many dick pics to girls before. I tried to shy away from name calling but you and inspector hillbilly have just gone full retard. Only so much you can distract from things you don't like. Reminds me of flat earthers distracting others from anything they deem a threat against their beliefs.
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Let me guess, her name is Karen and she owns a white cat named Smudge.
The endless arguing is certainly a female trait.
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You too, you could be a girl. Or perhaps you could identify as a unicorn to match your mythical beliefs. If you want to see my dick so much to prove I'm a guy you just had to ask. No need be shy, I've sent many dick pics to girls before. I tried to shy away from name calling but you and inspector hillbilly have just gone full retard. Only so much you can distract from things you don't like. Reminds me of flat earthers distracting others from anything they deem a threat against their beliefs.
Once again, you missed the point.
One person saying there's no evidence of something IS NOT EVIDENCE that the opposite is true.
If you want to put it in terms of your favorite conspiracy, there was no evidence the Earth was round, so people believed it was flat based on what they saw. Once evidence came out that the Earth was round (I believe Christopher Columbus had something to do with proving it), the conclusions changed.
I'm glad I could spend my time explaining the obvious meaning of my analogy to you. Of course, triggering a snowflake was just icing on the cake! :rofl:
So, which are your preferred pronouns? I'll be glad to use "they" for you if that's more comfortable. Or, maybe "it"? "It" has a spooky connotation, so it might make you more intimidating from behind that iPhone.
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Ive never seen the round earth, so no proof. Pics could be photoshopped.
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Of course, triggering a snowflake was just icing on the cake! :rofl:
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
That’s Hilarious.
Pot, Kettle is on the phone.
Fucking stop it! Now!
This is NOT YOUR THREAD. Stop posting ARGUMENTATIVE COMMENTS.
TRIGGERED! :shake:
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Once again, you missed the point.
One person saying there's no evidence of something IS NOT EVIDENCE that the opposite is true.
If you want to put it in terms of your favorite conspiracy, there was no evidence the Earth was round, so people believed it was flat based on what they saw. Once evidence came out that the Earth was round (I believe Christopher Columbus had something to do with proving it), the conclusions changed.
I'm glad I could spend my time explaining the obvious meaning of my analogy to you. Of course, triggering a snowflake was just icing on the cake! :rofl:
So, which are your preferred pronouns? I'll be glad to use "they" for you if that's more comfortable. Or, maybe "it"? "It" has a spooky connotation, so it might make you more intimidating from behind that iPhone.
Actually I think Magellan proved the earth is round.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferdinand_Magellan
Columbus only made it part way.
Magellan died in the Philippines but his ships finished the journey,
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exhausted. Going to hide in my basement....
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exhausted. Going to hide in my basement....
Don't forget your 1911, milk, and a box of Fruit Loops. . . ;D
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exhausted. Going to hide in my basement....
Let us know if you find Limpy Biden down there.
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Actually I think Magellan proved the earth is round.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferdinand_Magellan
Columbus only made it part way.
Magellan died in the Philippines but his ships finished the journey,
There are so many legends around Columbus, it's hard to keep the stories straight.
All I really cared to remember is the final conclusion, and that the opposite (Earth is flat) was previously considered "settled science" based solely on "consensus".
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Pretty sure BOTH Columbus AND Magellan concluded this election was corrupt.
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Once again, you missed the point.
One person saying there's no evidence of something IS NOT EVIDENCE that the opposite is true.
If you want to put it in terms of your favorite conspiracy, there was no evidence the Earth was round, so people believed it was flat based on what they saw. Once evidence came out that the Earth was round (I believe Christopher Columbus had something to do with proving it), the conclusions changed.
I'm glad I could spend my time explaining the obvious meaning of my analogy to you. Of course, triggering a snowflake was just icing on the cake! :rofl:
So, which are your preferred pronouns? I'll be glad to use "they" for you if that's more comfortable. Or, maybe "it"? "It" has a spooky connotation, so it might make you more intimidating from behind that iPhone.
Are you saying no evidence of something is proof it exists?
This why you believe in your particular magic man in the sky?
No evidence of something existing and it not existing is far more likely than, having no evidence and it existing.
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Pretty sure BOTH Columbus AND Magellan concluded this election was corrupt.
i'm pretty sure BOTH columbus and magellan cast "official" ballots for biden in this election...
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Are you saying no evidence of something is proof it exists?
This why you believe in your particular magic man in the sky?
No evidence of something existing and it not existing is far more likely than, having no evidence and it existing.
Your stupidity is really on display! :crazy:
I said, "One person saying there's no evidence of something IS NOT EVIDENCE that the opposite is true."
And from that, you deduced, "no evidence of something is proof it exists?"
Oh, to be so oblivious to reality.
Another way of saying it is, "Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence," in the context of looking to prove who was at a crime scene. Failing to find fingerprints, security footage, or DNA only means you can't prove they were present. But, that in no way provides proof they were not there -- just that they didn't leave any evidence that you were able to find. What if they wore gloves, had access to edit the security recordings, and were covered enough to avoid leaving any form of DNA?
So, the TRUTH is not supported by the available EVIDENCE. I guess he wasn't there. :rofl: :rofl:
Science is based on asking a question, and looking for BOTH evidence that it's true AND evidence it's false.
The general idea that "you can't prove a negative" is not the same as "you can't prove something is false." Many mathematical and philosophical theorems and formulas allow us to prove whether a statement is true or false.
If I'm going to have to explain everything I post to you, this is going to get monotonous.
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One of the WITNESSES who testified before the Michigan Senate today said she contacted the local FBI office -- this info was in response to a Senator's question whether she'd reported her concerns to anyone in law enforcement. The Senate is a good place to testify for policy decisions and law making to prevent future occurrences. But, they are NOT able to investigate and hold anyone who broke voting laws accountable.
She said she talked to an FBI agent for 40 minutes, telling her much of what was in her testimony. Then the line "dropped."
After not hearing back from the agent (I guess the agent figured it was a prank call, after 40 minutes?), She called the FBI back, That was the last time the FBI had any contact with her.
Barr said the FBI had been investigating the accusations of "widespread" voter fraud, and so far have no evidence. I guess when the FBI field offices are hanging up on callers and not calling back, it's no shock that the FBI in DC has "no evidence."
They also had no evidence Joe Biden was involved in his son's crimes overseas for the 6 months that they sat on the laptop, huh? Saying "we have no evidence" is the new sticking your fingers in your ears and screaming "I CAN'T HEAR YOU! LA LA LA LA LA LA LA!!"
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Your Michigan witnesses sure looks credible
https://tuckbot.tv/#/watch/k5ovfj
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Your Michigan witnesses sure looks credible
https://tuckbot.tv/#/watch/k5ovfj
You post a source called "tuckbot.tv" while questioning the credibility of witnesses? :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Every witness submitted signed affidavits under penalty of perjury.
Shut up. :geekdanc:
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why do you guys keep entertaining the pissant?
This forum has devolved into nothing more than a Pennysaver / Buy and Sell, pol BS. Quite a few people with real world shooting and gun-related experience don't bother with this board anymore because of people like OG. That's all OG does is troll people with his naivete and ignorance; piss in your bowl of Cheerios.
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why do you guys keep entertaining the pissant?
This forum has devolved into nothing more than a Pennysaver / Buy and Sell, pol BS. Quite a few people with real world shooting and gun-related experience don't bother with this board anymore because of people like OG. That's all OG does is troll people with his naivete and ignorance; piss in your bowl of Cheerios.
Yep. When he tries to argue that his opinions are evidence of NO voter fraud, there's not much more to be concluded.
I don't think he's a Troll by choice. He's not that good at it. He devolves into trolling when he gets emotional in order to attack other members calling out his lies, unsupported (non-) facts, and incorrect assumptions.
He's no longer in my universe. :geekdanc: :thumbsup: :wave:
(** I reserve the right to pounce when he starts hijacking threads .... I'll avoid engaging him on the content. **)
WTF is an "OmniGun" anyway? Gibberish.
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You post a source called "tuckbot.tv" while questioning the credibility of witnesses? :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Every witness submitted signed affidavits under penalty of perjury.
Shut up. :geekdanc:
Its a video mirror....You know you hate youtube and everything are you doubting the content or ignoring it? She even said she signed it and was under penalty of perjury while spouting nonsense and interrupting.
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One of the WITNESSES who testified before the Michigan Senate today said she contacted the local FBI office -- this info was in response to a Senator's question whether she'd reported her concerns to anyone in law enforcement. The Senate is a good place to testify for policy decisions and law making to prevent future occurrences. But, they are NOT able to investigate and hold anyone who broke voting laws accountable.
She said she talked to an FBI agent for 40 minutes, telling her much of what was in her testimony. Then the line "dropped."
After not hearing back from the agent (I guess the agent figured it was a prank call, after 40 minutes?), She called the FBI back, That was the last time the FBI had any contact with her.
Barr said the FBI had been investigating the accusations of "widespread" voter fraud, and so far have no evidence. I guess when the FBI field offices are hanging up on callers and not calling back, it's no shock that the FBI in DC has "no evidence."
They also had no evidence Joe Biden was involved in his son's crimes overseas for the 6 months that they sat on the laptop, huh? Saying "we have no evidence" is the new sticking your fingers in your ears and screaming "I CAN'T HEAR YOU! LA LA LA LA LA LA LA!!"
FBI will also have no record of the call either. Reminds me of Tara Reide who accused Biden of sexual harassment and the DNC/liberals called her a liar. Even though she reported it to her HR right away and told her family. Then her mom called the Larry King show in the 90's and discussed it. But yet she's lying right. Compared to Ford who doesn't remember anything, yet her word was taken like the bible.
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Its a video mirror....You know you hate youtube and everything are you doubting the content or ignoring it? She even said she signed it and was under penalty of perjury while spouting nonsense and interrupting.
yet you won't watch a video of a lecture that had data that you were asking for...
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https://townhall.com/columnists/larryoconnor/2020/12/01/if-you-wanted-to-rig-an-election-youd-do-exactly-what-dems-did-in-2020-n2580876?utm_source=thdaily&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=nl&newsletterad=12%2F02%2F2020&bcid=2da733e9bb3f236847e280e3275ea6a6&recip=6888845&fbclid=IwAR3FJDfqijyyvwwrn_pmS_Sr5mb1rtUK8efm8GKe1eNbOi9mxdjgFQXZVt0
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FBI will also have no record of the call either. Reminds me of Tara Reide who accused Biden of sexual harassment and the DNC/liberals called her a liar. Even though she reported it to her HR right away and told her family. Then her mom called the Larry King show in the 90's and discussed it. But yet she's lying right. Compared to Ford who doesn't remember anything, yet her word was taken like the bible.
So much for #metoo and "must believe her". . .
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So much for #metoo and "must believe her". . .
It changed to "all women must be believed".
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yet you won't watch a video of a lecture that had data that you were asking for...
I commented on the other thread
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Anyone else find it fascinating that the Left (ANTIFA, BLM, etc) have had no reason to continue marching and burning cities ever since the election?
Did I miss something, or are the EXACT SAME ISSUES still a problem with no real solutions in place? I mean, Trump and his 7+ million supporters haven't gone anywhere. The Republicans had a GREAT outcome in the elections. Surely Trump was not the only ANTIFA-hated person in the country?
It's obvious to me that the riots and destruction had one goal -- hurt Trump's reelection. Period. Now that the election is past, and he "appears" to have lost, the unrest magically disappers.
So transparently obvious, it's almost comical.
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Anyone else find it fascinating that the Left (ANTIFA, BLM, etc) have had no reason to continue marching and burning cities ever since the election?
Did I miss something, or are the EXACT SAME ISSUES still a problem with no real solutions in place? I mean, Trump and his 7+ million supporters haven't gone anywhere. The Republicans had a GREAT outcome in the elections. Surely Trump was not the only ANTIFA-hated person in the country?
It's obvious to me that the riots and destruction had one goal -- hurt Trump's reelection. Period. Now that the election is past, and he "appears" to have lost, the unrest magically disappers.
So transparently obvious, it's almost comical.
As well as the rhetoric and stuff that was bring thrown around by liberals on social media. Strangely silent from most of them. Also, stark change in the late night donkeys (which make me ::) to watch even the commercials. Yup, no media bias, at all. . .
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I wanna see when Trump wins, if they still call for unity.
I mentioned it in other post, but everything being done is to get the stupid people mad and claim he isn't the rightful POTUS when Trump does win.
1) Created their own office of the president elect
2) Biden given states very early by the media even though only 10% reported. Example CA was called when only 100K votes on the TV, WA was called when only 30K vote. AK wasn't called even though they were 99% reported and Trump had a 2:1 lead on Biden. We all saw what happened why they didn't call MI, WA, NV, PA, GA.
3) Media complaining why Biden's team wasn't being transitioned
Once Trump is announced as the POTUS again, there will be major rioting. I don't see him declaring martial law, but def sending in the feds to do nothing cities like Portland, Seattle, etc...And his justification would be that he let their governors/mayors do their own thing after Floyd was killed and rioting/looting went on for weeks/months. Not this time. So he will have justification to sending in the feds quickly.
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https://www.businessinsider.com/newsmax-airs-election-fraud-correction-video-lawsuit-dominion-smartmatic-2020-12
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How about the number of votes cast (152 mil) vs the number of registered voters (139 mil).
Brah, I get one 13 Million extra dakine :crazy:
Seeing how Trump took 76 mil votes ::)
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How about the number of votes cast (152 mil) vs the number of registered voters (139 mil).
Brah, I get one 13 Million extra dakine :crazy:
Seeing how Trump took 76 mil votes ::)
https://2ahawaii.com/index.php?topic=38726.msg355992#msg355992
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How about the number of votes cast (152 mil) vs the number of registered voters (139 mil).
Brah, I get one 13 Million extra dakine :crazy:
Seeing how Trump took 76 mil votes ::)
Fake news cause no one was convicted for having extra votes in "mass" numbers.
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You do know you can register to vote on the day of election right?
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You do know you can register to vote on the day of election right?
You DO know that only 21 states (plus D.C.) allow same-day registration & voting at the polls, and that AK and RI only allow same-day reg & voters to participate in the Presidential race exclusively?
Is it your belif that 21 states's walk-in voters account for 13,000,000 ballots submitted by legal same-day-registered voters?
https://www.complex.com/life/2020/11/states-that-allow-you-to-register-to-vote-on-election-day-2020
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Scott Adams: “The computer nerds found the kraken. Looks like Trump won.”
https://electionwiz.com/2021/01/01/scott-adams-the-computer-nerds-found-the-kraken-looks-like-trump-won
He is referring to this:
BREAKING: Irrefutable [?] evidence presented by expert witnesses from the GA hearing showing that [based on the data that was provided and used on election night] votes were removed and/or flipped from Trump to Biden
https://mobile.twitter.com/Rothbard1776/status/1344374207979913216
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Scott Adams: “The computer nerds found the kraken. Looks like Trump won.”
https://electionwiz.com/2021/01/01/scott-adams-the-computer-nerds-found-the-kraken-looks-like-trump-won
He is referring to this:
BREAKING: Irrefutable [?] evidence presented by expert witnesses from the GA hearing showing that [based on the data that was provided and used on election night] votes were removed and/or flipped from Trump to Biden
https://mobile.twitter.com/Rothbard1776/status/1344374207979913216
Wow thanks for posting. I was waiting for the other shoe to drop because if they cheated as big as I think they cheated there is no way to hide the data. If Biden/Harris take that stage on Jan 20 they will do so with a huge cloud of illegitimacy. Three more days until Georgia