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General Discussion / Re: SA Gun Lobby defeats gun bills
« on: January 31, 2013, 08:02:58 AM »
Alternative news like Hawaii Reporter needs more support.  SA has no incentive to report real news unless it fits their agenda.
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Legal and Activism / Re: Another Gun Bill Hearing. 01/31/2013 @ 3pm
« on: January 30, 2013, 10:07:11 AM »
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Legal and Activism / Re: Gun Bill Hearing. 01/29/2013 @2pm
« on: January 28, 2013, 07:55:12 PM »
If I submit testimony late will it be ignored?
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General Discussion / Re: Great pro gun argument by Marko Kloos
« on: January 28, 2013, 07:46:22 AM »
Thanks for the proper citation.  I'll probably cite this in a letter to some representatives.  Can't say it any better.
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General Discussion / Great pro gun argument by Marko Kloos
« on: January 27, 2013, 10:03:03 PM »
Got this off facebook...



THIS IS THE BEST WORDED PRO-GUN ARGUMENT I HAVE EVER READ

Interesting take and one you don't hear much. . . . . .
Read this eloquent and profound letter and p...ay close attention to the last paragraph of the letter....

"The Gun Is Civilization" by Maj. L. Caudill USMC (Ret) Marko Kloos, AKA "The Munchkin Wrangler"

Human beings only have two ways to deal with one another: reason and force.

If you want me to do something for you, you have a choice of either convincing me via argument, or force me to do your bidding under threat of force.

Every human interaction falls into one of those two categories, without exception. Reason or force, that's it.

In a truly moral and civilized society, people exclusively interact through persuasion.
Force has no place as a valid method of social interaction, and the only thing that removes force from the menu is the personal firearm, as paradoxical as it may sound to some.

When I carry a gun, you cannot deal with me by force.
You have to use reason and try to persuade me, because I have a way to negate your threat or employment of force.

The gun is the only personal weapon that puts a 100-pound woman on equal footing with a 220-pound mugger, a 75-year old retiree on equal footing with a 19-year old gang banger, and a single guy on equal footing with a carload of drunk guys with baseball bats. The gun removes the disparity in physical strength, size, or numbers between a potential attacker and a defender.

There are plenty of people who consider the gun as the source of bad force equations.
These are the people who think that we'd be more civilized if all guns were removed from society, because a firearm makes it easier for a armed mugger to do his job.
That, of course, is only true if the mugger's potential victims are mostly disarmed either by choice or by legislative fiat--it has no validity when most of a mugger's potential marks are armed.

People who argue for the banning of arms ask for automatic rule by the young, the strong, and the many, and that's the exact opposite of a civilized society. A mugger, even an armed one, can only make a successful living in a society where the state has granted him a force monopoly.

Then there's the argument that the gun makes confrontations lethal that otherwise would only result in injury.
This argument is fallacious in several ways. Without guns involved, confrontations are won by the physically superior party inflicting overwhelming injury on the loser.

People who think that fists, bats, sticks, or stones don't constitute lethal force watch too much TV, where people take beatings and come out of it with a bloody lip at worst.
The fact that the gun makes lethal force easier works solely in favor of the weaker defender, not the stronger attacker. If both are armed, the field is level.

The gun is the only weapon that's as lethal in the hands of an octogenarian as it is in the hands of a weight lifter.
It simply wouldn't work as well as a force equalizer if it wasn't both lethal and easily employable.

When I carry a gun, I don't do so because I am looking for a fight, but because I'm looking to be left alone. The gun at my side means that I cannot be forced, only persuaded. I don't carry it because I'm afraid, but because it enables me to be unafraid. It doesn't limit the actions of those who would interact with me through reason, only the actions of those who would do so by force.

It removes force from the equation... and that's why carrying a gun is a civilized act.

Maj. L. Caudill USMC (Ret) Marko Kloos, AKA "The Munchkin Wrangler"

So the greatest civilization is one where all citizens are equally armed and can only be persuaded, never forced.
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Most important part is from 1:07:30, he talks about the integration of socialist ideology into American society.  He draws some eerily familiar parallels to what is going on today...and this interview was in 1984.
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Legal and Activism / Re: Gun Control on PBS Insights tonight
« on: January 25, 2013, 08:23:57 PM »
YouTube link

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General Discussion / Former KGB officer warns dangers of big government
« on: January 24, 2013, 10:46:22 PM »
Haven't watched it thoroughly but the tidbits I caught were scary.

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I know. The issue is completely out of hand here and makes little sense. To help make a little sense of it there are 2 factors that most people here don't talk about clearly:

1) Since 1929 when the first gun control laws were passed in the States the difference between the weapons that civilians can own and the ones law enforcement and the military (and criminals) can own has grown more and more pronounced.

2) As a nation that made itself by violence and defense against an oppressive government there is a large segment of the population that does not trust the government to decide who can and cannot have firearms.

And the basis of the arguments on both sides of the issue here is fear. One side is afraid that the government will grow too powerful and tyrannical if it is allowed to disarm the people. The other side is fearful that people they don't know and don't trust have weapons that they don't understand.

Like the rest of the political divisions in this country, these divisions have grown worse in recent years. On this issue the 2 sides hardly even talk to each other.

What you suggested is absolutely reasonable and you aren't wrong. The trouble is getting the 2 sides to agree on anything reasonable. The anti-gun folks are horrified at the number of accidents and gun related crimes and have no idea how the other side can possibly condone that in order to have, just for fun, weapons they don't need. The pro-gun folks (I hate to say this, but it is true) point to the Nazi's and say "What's to keep our government from doing that? If you think it can't happen here you are dreaming." Neither side is entirely wrong.

The core of the issue isn't really guns. It is trust. Something that Americans have a tough time with as a whole.

I think this is spot on.  I may have to steal this.
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Legal and Activism / Re: Hawaii AWB
« on: January 17, 2013, 11:56:16 PM »
FFL transfer and pay the shipping.

BEFORE the law is passed. The way it is written, I think, doing this after the bill is signed into law is illegal. Shoddy writing, that. The way this piece of crap is written we'd all pretty much become felons as soon as the governor's pen left the page. Meaning no grace period, no waiting for the law to take effect after it is signed, no provision for legal out of state sales. If you have a firearm that meets this definition of "assault weapon" you are instant felon upon the signing of this bill. Your only option is to surrender the weapon for destruction.

I have a friend that lives in Texas, is it possible for me to just take it with me on a trip there and do the transfer there?
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Legal and Activism / Re: Hawaii AWB
« on: January 17, 2013, 10:42:28 PM »
this is an outrage....so say I want to send my rifle to a friend out of state.... how do I go about doing this?
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I think it would help the well meaning but uninformed to understand our position.  Please spread it to your social networks or other forums.  Especially after I saw this video on ar15.com....

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I'm not much of a poster when it comes to forums, but I just thought this was worth bringing back up.  Ranchers arming themselves to do a job that the government is supposed to do.  Sorry if repost.

http://standwitharizona.com/blog/2012/01/22/texas-ranchers-using-ak47s-to-defend-against-cartel-invaders/
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