I'm sorry Darmok. To be honest, your reaction makes no sense to me and I am more surprised than offended.
In fact I am disappointed because I thought we had a good rapport going with the Star Trek thing.
Maybe this is just simple misunderstanding but I truly do not, on my part, understand how I could have meant any nuisance and in fact your analysis of what I posted and why it is nonsense, makes no sense to me at all.
If anyone else thinks I was being an idiot, please say so. I do not mind. I want to know sincerely so that I can try and see how to phrase my question properly next time.
Also I thought we were a bit more casual here with each other?
I don't mean to keep arguing about this but I am truly perplexed about this issue.

I'm sorry Darmok. To be honest, your reaction makes no sense to me and I am more surprised than offended.
In fact I am disappointed because I thought we had a good rapport going with the Star Trek thing.
Maybe this is just simple misunderstanding but I truly do not, on my part, understand how I could have meant any nuisance and in fact your analysis of what I posted and why it is nonsense, makes no sense to me at all.
If anyone else thinks I was being an idiot, please say so. I do not mind. I want to know sincerely so that I can try and see how to phrase my question properly next time.
Also I thought we were a bit more casual here with each other?
I don't mean to keep arguing about this but I am truly perplexed about this issue.

  I knew he was a Trekster.

Lol passive does make some interesting threads with general questions.

I just took the hunters ed class, they mentioned if the firearm was shipped from the factory in a cardboard box it's legal.  I thought this was odd, but using some sort of official gun sock is legal as well.  And of course using a hard plastic case like Pelican. 

Using an actual brief case is illegal.  Also converting like a Dewalt sawsall to accept a fire arm is also illegal.  Just cutting out foam inserts for these items mentioned would more than just raise eyebrows if the Police was checking your vehicle.  They said these are a no go, because these items were not designed to hold/trasport firearms from the original concept/design.

A brief case is NOT illegal.

The law states:
     [§134-25] 
     "Enclosed container" means a rigidly constructed receptacle, or a commercially manufactured gun case, or the equivalent thereof that completely encloses the firearm.
     
You can put your gun in a brief case, a guitar case, a tool box, a wooden box you made in wood shop in high school back in 1982, or a hard cardboard box.

Whoever told you otherwise is wrong.

A brief case is NOT illegal.

The law states:
     [§134-25] 
     "Enclosed container" means a rigidly constructed receptacle, or a commercially manufactured gun case, or the equivalent thereof that completely encloses the firearm.
     
You can put your gun in a brief case, a guitar case, a tool box, a wooden box you made in wood shop in high school back in 1982, or a hard cardboard box.

Whoever told you otherwise is wrong.

A guitar case eh!!! I'd be feeling like Antonio Banderas in Desperado  !!! If I did that.

Good point!

A guitar case eh!!! I'm feeling all Desperado right now!!!!

Good point!

Like this.

Like this.

Oh yeah!!!!    That's sick! A perfect fit brother!!!

Again, sorry if you felt picked on, PK. 

I was reading the thread like some 7 year old was asking:

Which bowl?

The blue one.

This bowl is square.

Is it blue?

Yes. but it has a handle.

Is it blue?

Yes, but it's smaller than the others.

Is it blue?

Yes, but it has a label.

Is it blue?

Yes, but.......

Frustrating when you're trying to answer a simple question that is being over-complicated.

That is all.....

I think it would have been less confusing if the first answer to his original post was:

Yes.

 

I think it would have been less confusing if the first answer to his original post was:

Yes.

 

Live and learn!   

Live and learn!   

Agreed

I guess Hawaii laws are not black and white and/or a combination of everyone's interpretation of these laws.  Some say potato some say potahtoe.  What part of rigid is a gun sock or the card board box some rifles are shipped in?  According to the DLNR guys that instructed the class I attended is the info that was passed on to me. 

This is much like the high cap AR15 mags, legal or not?  Some say not legal, then why these LGS sells them?  Some say legal, only because the AR Pistol is illegal in Hawaii.

From what I gather it none of these laws are black and white.  One just needs lots of money for a great lawyer to play it out in court if need be.

^"From what I gather it none of these laws are black and white.  One just needs lots of money for a great lawyer to play it out in court if need be."

You got that right.  I think most gun laws would be unconstitutionally vague, at the least, if it weren't for the expense of jumping through the legal hoops and challenging the dot-gov's 8-hour-a-day 5-days-a-week salaried lawyers.

Did I mention it was a stacked deck?  And the aces and deuces are trimmed.

Terry

I think the OPs original question was valid and further validated with 3 pages of responses (with very different answers).....

All the follow on post added to the discussion and thats what the forum is for.

You should have seen the mess I went through a few weeks ago flying with ammo (just ammo, no firearm) out of Lagaurdia, New York..... all of it was due to INTERPERTATION of the written law/regulation by the airline desk agent and the Port Authority.

If you think you are a know it all, good luck!!

Axioms of the day-

Opinions are like assholes, everyone has one.....

ASSUME makes an ASS out of U and ME

Not sure if that last post was aimed at me, but seems like it might be, so I'll respond.

Original post:
Pistol transport in car; can be soft case right? No need hard case?
« on: August 24, 2013, 02:24:41 PM »
Pistol transport in car; can be soft case right? No need hard case?
Answer: Yes. Soft case is fine.

What about long guns?
As long as enclosed, unloaded, OK right? No ammo nearby.
Answer: Yes, soft case is fine. Unloaded, no ammo. Correct.

If the OP was asking about a backpack, that might be different.
And I agree the discussion was good and a lot of members learned something from it, including me, which is always a bonus. 

And at the end of the day PassiveK and DJT got along. Can't ask for more.

If you think you are a know it all, good luck!!

Axioms of the day-

Opinions are like assholes, everyone has one.....

ASSUME makes an ASS out of U and ME

I don't know who that was aimed at Lifer, but was it really necessary. 

And at the end of the day PassiveK and DJT got along. Can't ask for more.

I just decided to be more civil about it. Someone has to be.

I am also glad others have voiced their opinion, so I know that I did not say the wrong thing or behave badly.

This was not about me. This was about me checking to see what is the acceptable attitude here, both for people raising questions, and people responding to posts.

As stated, I was shocked by Darmok's response, considering 99% of the people I interacted here thus far have been nothing but friendly. I brushed it off as him just having a bad day and I hope that was the reason. Of course I read the gun laws and of course it was ambivalent, which was why I asked.

I certainly hope that friendliness and courtesy is the rule and not the exception here on this HAWAII site, and not taken advantage of.

There are plenty of nasty firearms forums on the Internet already.

Not sure if that last post was aimed at me, but seems like it might be, so I'll respond.

Original post:
Pistol transport in car; can be soft case right? No need hard case?
« on: August 24, 2013, 02:24:41 PM »
Pistol transport in car; can be soft case right? No need hard case?
Answer: Yes. Soft case is fine.

What about long guns?
As long as enclosed, unloaded, OK right? No ammo nearby.
Answer: Yes, soft case is fine. Unloaded, no ammo. Correct.

If the OP was asking about a backpack, that might be different.
And I agree the discussion was good and a lot of members learned something from it, including me, which is always a bonus. 

And at the end of the day PassiveK and DJT got along. Can't ask for more.

I don't know who that was aimed at Lifer, but was it really necessary. 

Perfect example of this entire post, interpertation. It wasnt aimed at you at all, AieaHound

Was my response necessary; sure why not?  Was anything I said wrong ? Again open to interpertation.

When I read the post it brought back the drama I had in NY and have seen these kinds of debates for years. I deal ALOT in regulations and law on a daily basis and get a kick when answers come back so black and white on a grey subject.   

Anyway, I though it was a legitimate question by a relatively new member. Also my post was rather late, so looks like Im trolling a bit (not intended).

So no offense to ANYONE (especially you Aieahound), just posting a IMHO  and moving on.

Roger That Lifer !

 

Never questioned the response, just the:

 if you think you are a know it all....
Opinions are like assholes....

part.
Whoever that was aimed at.
Or were you taking a shotgun approach.  ( Just kiddin'. Actually not kiddin', on second thought those principles DO apply to all of us.  )

And no offense taken as I'm not easily offended ( except by Gongho.   )

I certainly hope that friendliness and courtesy is the rule and not the exception here on this HAWAII site, and not taken advantage of.

+1

It's good to know different opinions and interpretations...when in doubt do what is "pono" or right, then you'll be safe.   If one has to think that something is not legal, then don't do it...just do the legal way so that you are good to go.  This way, you'll avoid any unnecessary head aches....stealth, blend in, avoid red flags or any attention to yourself.

It's good to know different opinions and interpretations...when in doubt do what is "pono" or right, then you'll be safe.   If one has to think that something is not legal, then don't do it...just do the legal way so that you are good to go.  This way, you'll avoid any unnecessary head aches

See, that is actually the most pragmatic answer here, given dissenting opinion as to what is legit or not.

In fact that is why I ended up using the hard case for the pistols, after seeing the varying opinions here.

In retrospect PROBABLY putting the handguns inside the side pockets of my rifle case would have been OK. But, again, who wants to get their guns taken away for violating a felony on a technicality?

Anyway this thread is possibly reached end of life. Can be locked by an admin.