Caught on Video: Bikers surround SUV and beat up driver (Read 34297 times)

bass monkey

Re: Caught on Video: Bikers surround SUV and beat up driver
« Reply #40 on: October 03, 2013, 06:07:33 AM »
i am thinking there was another confrontation before the video started


On fb the bikers were saying he forced his way into the pack and that's what started it.

ImKu

Re: Caught on Video: Bikers surround SUV and beat up driver
« Reply #41 on: October 03, 2013, 07:02:17 AM »
None of your options. 
not exactly sticking up for the biker, they were definitely wrong too.  The SUV hit a biker (off camera) first and fled the scene.  This caused the situation to escalate.  The video picks up when the biker are chasing the SUV driver down after fleeing the scene.  Its unfortunate for all.  I think the  final outcome had alot to do with the SUV drivers initial response, and thenkept escalating.

I wasn't directing that post directly towards you, but to anyone that was/is sticking up for the bikers.  Are you referring to something that is not on camera?  What initial response then?  When the biker brake checks the SUV and stares down the SUV while doing it, you can conclude that this is when the SUV hits the biker.  Then, that is when the SUV is attacked and the SUV runs over bikers to get away or is "fleeing" the scene.  So again, are you suggesting that we not do anything when a crowd of bikers have knives out and are slashing your tires and banging on your POV while your family is with you?  If it is that's fine, as everyone has their own opinions.

On fb the bikers were saying he forced his way into the pack and that's what started it.

I have a hard time believing that...  I can believe that SUV did not do like the other vehicles and move out of the way or slow down though.
The mind acts like an enemy for those who do not control it.
- Bhagavad Gita

stangzilla

Re: Caught on Video: Bikers surround SUV and beat up driver
« Reply #42 on: October 03, 2013, 07:49:26 AM »
had he been driving a Mustang,
he would've been in front of the bikes
bc we all know the Mustang is the fastest car on the planet.
therefore, avoiding the confrontation altogether.   ;)

bubba808

Re: Caught on Video: Bikers surround SUV and beat up driver
« Reply #43 on: October 03, 2013, 08:16:49 AM »
I wasn't directing that post directly towards you, but to anyone that was/is sticking up for the bikers.  Are you referring to something that is not on camera?  What initial response then?  When the biker brake checks the SUV and stares down the SUV while doing it, you can conclude that this is when the SUV hits the biker.  Then, that is when the SUV is attacked and the SUV runs over bikers to get away or is "fleeing" the scene.  So again, are you suggesting that we not do anything when a crowd of bikers have knives out and are slashing your tires and banging on your POV while your family is with you?  If it is that's fine, as everyone has their own opinions.
im referring to an accident between the SUV and a biker off camera.  Thats what got the bikers upset. The SUV hit one of them, then drove away.  《《Initial response.   Thats what pissed the bikers off.  Then they swarmed him, brake checked him and that was the second accident.  By this point shets escalated alot and now they start hitting the vehicle and slashing tires.  I never suggested dont do shet if youre getting attacked, I just didnt agree with his initial response and running the guy over.   

ImKu

Re: Caught on Video: Bikers surround SUV and beat up driver
« Reply #44 on: October 03, 2013, 08:49:47 AM »
im referring to an accident between the SUV and a biker off camera.  Thats what got the bikers upset. The SUV hit one of them, then drove away.  《《Initial response.   Thats what pissed the bikers off.  Then they swarmed him, brake checked him and that was the second accident.  By this point shets escalated alot and now they start hitting the vehicle and slashing tires.  I never suggested dont do shet if youre getting attacked, I just didnt agree with his initial response and running the guy over.

Note:  I'm just trying to understand your stand point on your post.

Is this fact or hearsay from bikers?  What news outlet reported this? (is there a link to this info to support your statement?)  You agree that doing nothing is not a option in this situation, yet you don't agree with running the biker guy over.  So, are you now saying that there is a way to get away without running over the bikers?  Maybe I'm beating a dead horse, but I don't see a way the SUV driver could get away without taking out a few bikers.
The mind acts like an enemy for those who do not control it.
- Bhagavad Gita

Hi state

Re: Caught on Video: Bikers surround SUV and beat up driver
« Reply #45 on: October 03, 2013, 09:07:33 AM »
If the suv driver was paying attention and was being a defensive driver he wouldnt have hit that dumb reckless biker and this whole shit storm probably wouldn't of happend.
But obviously he has poor judgement

Darmok and Jalad @Tanagra

Re: Caught on Video: Bikers surround SUV and beat up driver
« Reply #46 on: October 03, 2013, 09:55:15 AM »
If the suv driver was paying attention and was being a defensive driver he wouldnt have hit that dumb reckless biker and this whole shit storm probably wouldn't of happend.
But obviously he has poor judgement

When you are swarmed by a hundred wreckless bikers circling, brake checking, and darting in and out, back and forth, around and around your car on a freeway, it's not that easy to drive defensively.  While you're distracted watching 10 bikes speed up to your left, 10 more are on the right and another 5 slowing in front.

Hindsight is 20/20.  Maybe we all have an opinion of what he SHOULD have done, but when that happens and you aren't expecting it, normal defensive driving skills don't always provide the correct answer to the situation. 

I really can't remember being told in my high school driving classes, "If you are ever swarmed by bikers ignoring the rules of the road, driving too close to you and themselves, erratically speeding up and slowing down, passing, circling, and brake checking, here's all you have to do ..."

Maybe I missed that day? 

My point is, this is not a normal situation.  How people react will be based on the individual, not defensive driving techniques.   I pride myself on having excellent situational awareness and assessment skills, but nobody is infallible.  If you misinterpret the situation, then your decisions will be less than optimal.

What should he have done?  It's too easy to answer that question now, after the fact and in front of a computer screen with no wife and child to consider ...
"... the right to be let alone -- the most comprehensive of rights and the right most valued by civilized men."
--Justice Louis D. Brandeis

Hi state

Re: Caught on Video: Bikers surround SUV and beat up driver
« Reply #47 on: October 03, 2013, 10:41:31 AM »
When you are swarmed by a hundred wreckless bikers circling, brake checking, and darting in and out, back and forth, around and around your car on a freeway, it's not that easy to drive defensively.  While you're distracted watching 10 bikes speed up to your left, 10 more are on the right and another 5 slowing in front.

That's my point he was distracted and not paying attention

Hindsight is 20/20.  Maybe we all have an opinion of what he SHOULD have done, but when that happens and you aren't expecting it, normal defensive driving skills don't always provide the correct answer to the situation. 

That is true

I really can't remember being told in my high school driving classes, "If you are ever swarmed by bikers ignoring the rules of the road, driving too close to you and themselves, erratically speeding up and slowing down, passing, circling, and brake checking, here's all you have to do ..."
Maybe I missed that day? 

That's why we have a brain to make decisions of common sense no class that u will take will ever give u all of the answers

My point is, this is not a normal situation.  How people react will be based on the individual, not defensive driving techniques.   I pride myself on having excellent situational awareness and assessment skills, but nobody is infallible.  If you misinterpret the situation, then your decisions will be less than optimal.

Very true I am sure u have excellent awareness. I've been riding two wheeled vehicles on and off road for a long time and that has tought me more about being a offensive and defensive Motorist than any class. I'm always making sure of what is in my surroundings looking in my mirrors and way in front of me

What should he have done?  It's too easy to answer that question now, after the fact and in front of a computer screen with no wife and child to consider ...

Possible options either speed up to try and get in front and out of the way of the bikers because they probably want to hold up traffic to stunt or signal move out of the way and slow down to let the bikes pass

Darmok and Jalad @Tanagra

Re: Caught on Video: Bikers surround SUV and beat up driver
« Reply #48 on: October 03, 2013, 11:20:56 AM »
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Possible options either speed up to try and get in front and out of the way of the bikers because they probably want to hold up traffic to stunt or signal move out of the way and slow down to let the bikes pass

You proved my point.  There IS NO answer for this situation.  He reacted to the threat he perceived and fled AFTER he slowed down/sped up/hit a biker abruptly stopping in front of him.

Brains are able to make decisions given the available information and individual judgement.  All the experience in the world is not going to change the environment.  The bikers are dictating that...
"... the right to be let alone -- the most comprehensive of rights and the right most valued by civilized men."
--Justice Louis D. Brandeis

FATMANWA

Re: Caught on Video: Bikers surround SUV and beat up driver
« Reply #49 on: October 03, 2013, 11:53:52 AM »
First, I am to lazy to read all the comments before me. So if something was already said.... well I dont care.

After watching the video, everything I saw was intigated by the motorcycles. No reason to take over a highway, also no reason to cut off the Land Rover and then basicly stop right in front of him in the middle of a highway. Second, the Land Rover should not have randomly accelerated. Third, the bikers should not beaten him, it would be hard for me not to, but that dosent make it right. This whole video shows that no one was right and everyone was wrong with their actions.

I also feel like we are missing a part of the story with this video. All i wonder is why on earth did the one motorcycle stop right in front of the Land Rover????

Bota-CS1

Re: Caught on Video: Bikers surround SUV and beat up driver
« Reply #50 on: October 03, 2013, 12:07:08 PM »
Small flame.  What situation are you referring to? 

1.  The fact that the bikers were riding like dicks and he could have slowed down - Yes.  I didn't want to go into a long explanation.  The SUV driver had no control over the biker's behavior so best to recognize a bad situation and slow down gradually and let them pass. 
No one is coming, it’s up to us.

Legislation should never be about depriving law abiding citizens of something, but rather taking those things away from criminals.

aieahound

Re: Caught on Video: Bikers surround SUV and beat up driver
« Reply #51 on: October 03, 2013, 12:38:53 PM »
From the Classic 2A quote file:

Play stupid games, you get stupid prizes.

s15project

Re: Caught on Video: Bikers surround SUV and beat up driver
« Reply #52 on: October 03, 2013, 01:02:58 PM »
From the Classic 2A quote file:

Play stupid games, you get stupid prizes.

He did everything to get the jumbo jackpot-megabucks-powerball mega prize of stupid then....

http://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2013/10/01/lawrence-man-seriously-injured-nyc-incident-involving-suv-and-motorcyclists/jHju3V1xAOsdF6Q2vT8BaL/story.html
Quote from: Boston Globe
Though Mieses is a Massachusetts resident, he has never had a valid Massachusetts driver’s license for a passenger vehicle and has never applied for a motorcycle license, the Registry of Motor Vehicles said.

Registry records show that Mieses applied for a learner’s permit in 1999 and 2000, but that he never obtained a full license because he failed to pay fines imposed after he was ticketed for speeding in Lawrence in 1999. His last contact with the Registry was in 2001, when he obtained an identification card, registry records show.

Since 1999, he has been ticketed by police 16 times, in Lawrence, Methuen, Roxbury, Andover, and New Hampshire, according to registry records.

In June, the Registry notified the National Driver Register that Mieses was a habitual traffic offender whose right to drive in Massachusetts was revoked until 2017, records show.

bubba808

Re: Caught on Video: Bikers surround SUV and beat up driver
« Reply #53 on: October 03, 2013, 02:00:11 PM »
Note:  I'm just trying to understand your stand point on your post.

Is this fact or hearsay from bikers?  What news outlet reported this? (is there a link to this info to support your statement?)  You agree that doing nothing is not a option in this situation, yet you don't agree with running the biker guy over.  So, are you now saying that there is a way to get away without running over the bikers?  Maybe I'm beating a dead horse, but I don't see a way the SUV driver could get away without taking out a few bikers.

It was on the fb page of the biker that got ran over.  I guess if you cant understand how a 4000 lb suv has a bunch of options against a few 400 lb street bikes without running them over... I cant help educate you.  Let the horse die.  I am.  :shaka:

ImKu

Re: Caught on Video: Bikers surround SUV and beat up driver
« Reply #54 on: October 03, 2013, 04:58:43 PM »
It was on the fb page of the biker that got ran over.  I guess if you cant understand how a 4000 lb suv has a bunch of options against a few 400 lb street bikes without running them over... I cant help educate you.  Let the horse die.  I am.  :shaka:

For the people sticking up for these bikers.  What would you do if you are in your POV with your family and a group of bikers have you surrounded with knives out and are slashing your tires, banging on your POV all the while your wife and child are screaming in fear?  At what point do you fear for you and your families safety?  Maybe they won't break your windows and cause you and your family serious bodily harm, or maybe they will...

I will ask again, since I just found out that there seems that there are SOOO many options for the driver of the SUV when he was stopped on the freeway.  THIS is NOT limited to just bubba, but ANYONE sticking up for the bikers.  I will be waiting for an educated answer from someone that thinks they have something to educate me with.  Then educate me how 20-30 bikers in a group is just a "few" while your at it.

Story time - had something similar happen to me about 8-10 years ago.  On the freeway during a turn there was a biker that was probably going around 100mph (probably faster) since I didn't see him on the straight away from my rear view prior to the turn.  I did a lane change during the turn, at the same time the biker was trying to pass me.  I almost drove him into the wall.  It was night time.  The rest of the group of 10 or so group eventually caught up with me and followed me.  I was initially scared, then angry.  This was with no wife or kids.  So please understand that I have a hard time accepting the "pack" mentality of SOME bikers.
The mind acts like an enemy for those who do not control it.
- Bhagavad Gita

ren

Re: Caught on Video: Bikers surround SUV and beat up driver
« Reply #55 on: October 03, 2013, 05:04:51 PM »
It was on the fb page of the biker that got ran over.  I guess if you cant understand how a 4000 lb suv has a bunch of options against a few 400 lb street bikes without running them over... I cant help educate you.  Let the horse die.  I am.  :shaka:
There were more than a few bikers and since some were illegal riders how would you know what other items they may be carrying illegally? They slashed the RR tires out. I wouldn't be surprised some of them carried firearms illegally or anything else.
Deeds Not Words

Bunker

Re: Caught on Video: Bikers surround SUV and beat up driver
« Reply #56 on: October 03, 2013, 05:29:57 PM »
I digress a little...irregardless of who started what, the biker who ended up in the hospital wouldn't be in the hospital if he obeyed the law to begin with. He doesn't have a valid license and had his driving privileges revoked by the State of Massachusetts until 2017 because he was a habitual traffic offender. These fuck sticks were breaking so many laws and they expect everyone will just get out of their way while they control the road and break laws. Several of them didn't even have license plates. Too bad...things didn't go as normally planned for these douche-bags that day.

http://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2013/10/01/lawrence-man-seriously-injured-nyc-incident-involving-suv-and-motorcyclists/jHju3V1xAOsdF6Q2vT8BaL/story.html

Bunker

Re: Caught on Video: Bikers surround SUV and beat up driver
« Reply #57 on: October 03, 2013, 05:51:10 PM »
One other point…one can argue that the SUV driver feared for his life and family, thus tried to escape the gauntlet of bikers but what the bikers did at the end of the video is vigilante justice with zero defense. It will be interesting to hear the 911 calls. It has been reported the SUV driver called 911…I wonder if any biker called 911 after their fellow biker was struck or beforehand.

ren

Re: Caught on Video: Bikers surround SUV and beat up driver
« Reply #58 on: October 03, 2013, 05:54:17 PM »
I digress a little...irregardless of who started what, the biker who ended up in the hospital wouldn't be in the hospital if he obeyed the law to begin with. He doesn't have a valid license and had his driving privileges revoked by the State of Massachusetts until 2017 because he was a habitual traffic offender. These fuck sticks were breaking so many laws and they expect everyone will just get out of their way while they control the road and break laws. Several of them didn't even have license plates. Too bad...things didn't go as normally planned for these douche-bags that day.

http://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2013/10/01/lawrence-man-seriously-injured-nyc-incident-involving-suv-and-motorcyclists/jHju3V1xAOsdF6Q2vT8BaL/story.html
i agree. Ainokea at a national level.
Deeds Not Words

one2boost

Re: Caught on Video: Bikers surround SUV and beat up driver
« Reply #59 on: October 04, 2013, 09:27:07 AM »
Looks like they found the guy that actually smashed the window, pulled the guy out of his car and sliced his face.

http://nypost.com/2013/10/03/cops-find-biker-who-beat-and-knifed-driver-after-chase/