Hi all-

I am preparing to expand my C&R collection and wanted to know the proper paperwork maze I need to navigate in order to make my purchases lawful. I am a 03 FFL holder and have updated the license to my new address on Oahu. If I purchase a Mosin online from an out of state source and have it shipped to my home, can I consider it an out of state purchase? Does it apply to pistols as well?

Thanks in advance for the help!

I never get a clear on pistols....but long as you update the batf with your addrss change you should be okay.  I wanted to bring in a walther p38 and a older six shooter but hpd never gave me a clear answer.  I would assume its similar to long rifle c&r but I'm not willing to risk it yet till I get a hpd answer

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Q should know. He went thru the HPD and ATF wringer

No.

As long as your record indicates that your ffl address is on Oahu, and you order online and have it shipped here, it will be considered a local purchase, and will fall under the same regulations for local pistol purchases: permit tom acquire, 2 week waiting period, etc. HPD is cracking down on people trying to circumvent the system, so don't try and be slick and pretend its an out of state purchase, because they will check which state it came from and know which states do not allow such purchases. Also, the firearms admin makes daily calls to the local ATF to check on things they find suspicious, so unless you have got your ffl regulations and letters from the assistant director on lock down to prove what you want to do is legal, you are going to get screwed big time. 

The only way for this not to happen is if you physically purchase the firearm out of state.

Edit: long guns are fine, as long as you have a permit to acquire; it is still considered an in-state purchase.

that's weird, i was looking into getting my C&R and called HPD to ask about buying a c&r handgun. the woman told me that i wouldn't need a handgun permit to acquire or anything to order a curio handgun, specifically a CZ-82. if i remember correctly i think she also said something about not having to register it.

so i actually would have to get a permit to acquire with a  2 week wait and  then register it?

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That woman is wrong. Show up to the window with a pistol that has not been approved for purchase with a permit to acquire, and you are setting yourself up for problems, as well as have them further hone in on C&R licensees. Because you are 'ordering' online, you are still having the pistol sent to your local address. Anything coming into Hawaii via your FFL license is considered an in-state purchase, which subjects it to local pistol regulations. The only time this is not applied is if you are not buying a pistol for your own personal use or collection, in which case you can just fax in the papers. However, because you are an 03/C&R, this is for personal ownership, and thus subject to the same laws as everyone else.

Save yourself the heartache and listen to me. I've already danced to this tune with the top people at HPD.

So, does that mean you have to apply for the permit and wait the 2 weeks BEFORE the pistol is in your hands, or are you allowed to store it at home during the waiting period?  Obvious answer would be "who would know the difference?"

Also, what documents are needed when you bring a C&R pistol or rifle to register?  Anything other than the 03 FFL, permit to acquire, and ID?  Invoice or sellers information?

Mahalo!

Take the C&R booklet that says your firearm qualifies with you in case you run into problems.

You can buy any firearm listed as a c&r and have it shipped directly to you. That includes c&r pistols. All you have to bring your paperwork, ffl, and firearm and let HPD know that it is a c&r purchase.

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Thanks for all the replies and information! Sounds like a long gun shouldn't be too hard, so long as you already have the permit to acquire. Once I have the firearm shipped to my home, I need to bring the following to HPD to register it:

Unloaded, cased weapon
Permit to acquire (general long gun or individually issued pistol)
FFL
C&R book
Shipping slip/receipt of purchase


From the above replies, I also see that a C&R-eligible 12 round CZ-82 pistol would be denied a permit to acquire, since it exceeds Hawaii's 10 round handgun magazine limit. Guess I'll have to keep that on the backburner for now

Thanks again for the help. I have spent the last few years in Florida and Texas, so all these regulations are new to me.

Figured I'd ask this question since this seems to be a good venue. What do you do if you want to register a C&R firearm that meets the current ATF standard for C&R, but isn't in the book (which hasn't been updated in over 4 years)? My dad has an old Sears & Roebuck 22LR long rifle (pre-1968, older than 50 years old) that I would like to have, we both have 03FFL's so he can ship direct to me. However, that rifle is not in the C&R book although it meets the rolling 50 years C&R rule.

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Q,

Thanks for the reply. For documentation I will have to investigate, this rifle was bought by my great-grandparents back in early 1960's so original paperwork is out of the question. I also don't think the rifle has a serial number, which wasn't a requirement pre-1968 GCA. If I have to get a serial added its not worth it to me.

So, does that mean you have to apply for the permit and wait the 2 weeks BEFORE the pistol is in your hands

Yes: that means you need to contact the seller, obtain the pistol info, then head to HPD and request a permit to acquire just like any other pistol.

What happens after you obtain the C&R pistol permit but in the few days it's valid for there are problems in shipment (e.g., seller delays shipment, shipment is delayed by carrier, etc.).  You then receive and log the C&R pistol but your permit is no longer valid?

My experience with HPD and C&R pistols, two now, has been pretty straight forward. Circuitous, but workable. This is unless something has changed.
My package to the thought proof bullet proof window has been:

A current permit to acquire always a long gun permit, but current
A signed copy of your C&R, They will keep it.
*A copy of the page from the ATF book with the piece high lited, and /or I guess that proof of more than 50 years old. I suggest a copy of the page that states that 50 yrs or more is legit.
A copy or original of the receipt from the supplier
The piece of course, properly packaged, hard case.

Other than that do the paper work and it it is treated like a bring in from out of state. Just do it within the required time 72hrs?

* Yes this is outdated 2007 or so. Work with your supplier on this.
You can order without a magazine and get a legal one through the aftermarket. With both of mine this was not an issue.

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Q,

I probably neglected to mention, but the rifle is in California. The rifle would be "given" to me, but since interstate familial transfers have to go through an FFL regardless (and both me and my dad have our own 03 FFL licenses) it would be the same as if I purchased a C&R through any standard retail establishment. At this point it would seem easier to have my dad transfer the rifle to OGC or Ready on the Right and do the FFL transfer that way, avoiding the entire C&R process entirely. Just proves the point behind Hawaii's convoluted registration process-to make things as humanly difficult as possible.

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